The 911 Tragedy

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16 years ago, Tuesday, September 11, 2001 was a very traumatic event for most of us. On that morning the USA got attacked. The attacks killed 2,997 people, injured over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure and property damage.

Investigating 911

I've investigated 911 for 200+ hours. This post is about giving an honest picture of why some people claim to have proofs the NIST report on the collapse of the WTC complex structures contain fundamental flaws, hiding some crucial facts about 911.

It is about providing some of those proofs, making them as clear as possible, providing some links to peer-reviewed studies on the subject, giving the subject some visibility and an opportunity for people to weigh in.

I've been wanting to write a comprehensive thing on 911 for many years now. It's not all encompassing but it's a start.

Lost Lives

Many innocent lost their life directly or indirectly due to 911. This event is a real tragedy no matter who were responsible.

People Who Lost Some Close Relative On 911

Many 9/11 survivors and many 9/11 victim family members have expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report. Several even allege government complicity in the terrible acts of 9/11. [1][2][3]

9/11 Commission


"The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, also known as the 9/11 Commission, was set up on November 27, 2002, "to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11 attacks", including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The commission was also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks." [Wikipedia]

9/11 Commission Set Up To Fail

According to the 2 co-chairs of the Commission, the Commission was set up to fail.

"The two co-chairs of the Commission, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, believe that the government established the Commission in a way that ensured that it would fail. In their book Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission describing their experience serving, Hamilton listed a number of reasons for reaching this conclusion, including: the late establishment of the Commission and the very short deadline imposed on its work; the insufficient funds (3 million dollars), initially allocated for conducting such an extensive investigation (later the Commission requested additional funds but received only a fraction of the funds requested and the chairs still felt hamstrung); the many politicians who opposed the establishment of the Commission; the continuing resistance and opposition to the work of the Commission by many politicians, particularly those who did not wish to be blamed for any of what happened; the deception of the Commission by various key government agencies, including the Department of Defense, NORAD and the FAA; and, the denial of access by various agencies to documents and witnesses. "So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail." [Wikipedia]

9/11 Family Steering Committee

"The 9/11 Family Steering Committee was an organization of twelve relatives of victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center. Members of the Committee included the Jersey Girls. It was part of the 9/11 Truth Movement and was set up to monitor the work of the 9/11 Commission."

According to the Washington Post and 2 senators, Joseph I. Lieberman and Susan Collins, it's family members' public complaints that pressured President Bush to drop his initial opposition to a Sept. 11 commission. [Wikipedia]

The 9/11 Family Steering Committee ended up being dissatisfied with the commission created and madate. More can be read about some of their complaints here.

Some Polls On 911

First I want to begin with some of the polls that has been done regarding where people stand on 911. Below, I quoted Wikipedia about one of this poll. Many more of these kind of poll can be found on this wikipedia page.

Yougov Poll

One of them carried out by the company yougov in 2012 finds most Americans open to alternative 9/11 theories. Reports on the poll can be found here and here and the actual poll can be found here.

World Public Opinion Poll

"A poll taken by WorldPublicOpinion.org, a collaborative project of research centers in various countries managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, College Park, polled 16,063 people in 17 nations outside of the United States during the summer of 2008. They found that majorities in only 9 of the 17 countries believe al-Qaeda carried out the attacks."

"46 percent of those surveyed said al-Qaeda was responsible, 15 percent said the U.S. government, 7 percent said Israel and 7 percent said some other perpetrator. One in four people said they did not know who was behind the attacks."

"The summary of the poll noted that "Though people with greater education generally have greater exposure to news, those with greater education are only slightly more likely to attribute 9/11 to al Qaeda." Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org, commented "It does not appear that these beliefs can simply be attributed to a lack of exposure to information." Of those who said the United States was the perpetrator, Kull says many believe it was an attempt to justify an impending U.S. invasion of Iraq."

The NIST Report


"After the FEMA report had been published, and following pressure from technical experts, industry leaders and families of victims, the Commerce Department's National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) conducted a three-year, $16 million investigation into the structural failure and progressive collapse of several WTC complex structures."

"The scope of the NIST investigation was focused on identifying "the sequence of events" that triggered the collapse, and did not include detailed analysis of the collapse mechanism itself (after the point at which events made the collapse inevitable)." [Wikipedia]

Peer-Reviewed Studies On 911

The link below list 22 peer reviewed studies with links. The authored are qualified scientists, including PhD graduates from Harvard, Cambridge, and Cal Tech published in Peer Reviewed Independent Scientific Journals (PRISJs) including 10 engineering related journals. It's over 500 pages of peer reviewed papers.

Many People Doubt The Official Story

Many hundreds of people doubt the official story, among them 1500+ verified architects and engineers who have investigated the WTC collapse have sign a petition to have 9/11 investigation be re-opened and include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7.

Many hundreds of testimonies to many of the people mentioned in the image above can be found in the link below.

9/11 Control Demolition In Peer-Reviewed Scientific Journal

Published by the peer-reviewed journal Europhysics News, the study entitled: "15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-rise Building Collapses" concluded that the evidence points overwhelmingly to controlled demolition as the real cause of the building destruction, the Twin Towers and WTC 7.

Explosive Material Found In WTC Dust

In a study published in the Bentham Open Chemistry and Physics Journal, authors concluded: "Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material."

The dust contained some iron spheres having some specefic characteristics which could have only been attained by temperature much higher than the fire from the kerosene from the planes or office fires of the WTC complexe.

Testimonies Of Secondary Explosions

Many secondary explosions have been heard and felt during the event. There are also recording of some of those explosions. There exists many reports of those explosions on live TV by journalists. Here are some of those recording and testimonies. There are many more testimonies of secondary explosions then the one listed below.

NIST Didn't Investigated For Explosives

According to NIST there was no evidences for explosives so they excluded explosives from any of their investigations. The rational of NIST is explained and refuted in the video above by David Chandler, retired physics teacher.

Molten Steel

There are testimonies of people who have witnessed molten steel days after the collapse of the towers. Some of those testimonies come from the rescue workers in charge of cleaning up the after math of 911. Some of those testimonies have been published in a peer-reviewed journal.

Note: to melt steel necessitate much higher temperature than what fires from kerosene or office building can achieve and thus those molten steel can't be explained by the NIST report which state there was no explosives or more precisely didn't look to see if there was any explosives.

Video Evidences From The Collapse

The video above explain many aspects of the collapse that cannot be explained by a gravity lead collapse.

  • Large multi ton beams were hurled laterally.
  • Lateral ejection of free-flying heavy steel sections up to 70 miles per hour not congruent with gravity lead collapse.
  • Explosive squibs at 100+ miles an hour.
  • Many other video evidences.

World Trade Center Twin Towers: Constant Acceleration

Rigging The Towers With Explosives

According to many experts it seems it would have been possilbe to rigged the towers with explosives even as those were still occoppied and in use. The section below is copied for an article that can be found here.

Accessing The Core Columns

The chief electrical engineer who wired the World Trade Centers (Richard Humenn) says that people working on the elevators could have planted explosives: Video.

Mechanical engineer Gordon Ross, in his talk on the destruction of the Twin Towers, pointed out that:

"Those [core] columns which were situated adjacent to and accessible from inside the elevator shafts failed at an early stage of the collapse. Those columns which were remote from the elevator shafts, and not accessible from the elevator shafts, survived the early stages of the collapse."

Demolition Expert Weigh In On The Subject

Tom Sullivan demolition expert explain how this rigging could have been done and why he knew from day one that 911 was a control demolition event. I've also read the company working on the elevators would have had direct access to the perimeter columns. If I remember correctly these accesses would have been through space between each floors and ceilings. According to Mr Sullivan access to perimeter columns were unnecessary.

"Indeed, a top demolition expert says that with access to the elevator shaft, a team of loading experts would have access to the columns and beams."

"According to USA Today: "On Sept. 11, ACE Elevator of Palisades Park, N.J., had 80 elevator mechanics inside the World Trade Center". And the U.S. government agency (the National Institute of Standards and Technology) itself says that, on 9/11, "Elevators 6A and 7A were out of service for modernization". (NIST NCSTAR 1-8, p.97). In addition, Ace worked in and around structural steel at the Twin Towers."

911 Terror Drills

Bush lied when he said no one of his administration could have envisioned hijacking planes and using them as missiles as reported by ABC and USA Today. Some of the targets of previous military drills were the WTC and the Pentagon.

Some military drills simulating a hijacking situation including terrorist pilots was underway on 911. [Wikipedia]

Building 7 (WTC 7)

WTC 7 or building 7 was a 47 story building part of the WTC complex.

"On September 11, 2001, 7 WTC was damaged by debris when the nearby North Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed. The debris also ignited fires, which continued to burn throughout the afternoon on lower floors of the building. The building's internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires, and the building collapsed completely at 5:21:10 pm, according to FEMA, while the 2008 NIST study placed the final collapse time at 5:20:52 pm." [Wikipedia]

NIST Report On WTC 7

In the NIST report it is stated that WTC 7 fell at free fall speed for some time. Free fall speed collapse isn't explanable by anything other than controlled demolition. The 3 minutes video above explain all of this very well.

Mike West of metabunk.org try to explain this free fall speed. Mike West is not using the scientific method. His demonstration doesn't explain the free fall speed the NIST reported.

WTC Owner On WTC 7 Collapse

Larry Silverstein was the owner of the WTC complexe. The quote below is from an excerpt from a PBS interview.

"I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." - Larry Silverstein

In 2005, Dara McQuillan, the spokesperson for Silverstein Properties, gave the following explanation for Silverstein's remarks:

"However, according to Fox News journalist Jeffrey Scott Shapiro, a 9/11 eyewitness and ardent defender of the official 9/11 story, Larry Silverstein had controlled demolition on his mind on September 11, 2001, and it was no secret to the NYPD and others on the ground that day."

"Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001."

"This statement contradicts the FEMA report on WTC7 (Chapter 5, section 5.6.1), which indicates that no manual firefighting actions were taken at WTC7 on 9/11." [Source And More Details]

What is the truth on this has no bearing on the evidences already presented but I felt those trivia were interesting enough to be included.

BBC And CNN Reports WTC 7 Collapsed Before it Happens

It was not explain why Reuters incorrectly reported WTC 7 had collapse before it had.

"On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen." [BBC]

Emergency Workers Announcing WTC 7 About To Blown Up

Danny Jowenko on WTC 7 controlled demolition

Danny Jowenko was a Dutch expert in controlled demolition who testified that WTC7 collapse could only be due to controlled demolition. He had never heard about WTC 7 before seeing the video of the WTC 7 collapse. He only learned about the fact that the video he was seeing was filmed on 911 and was from a third tower that fell that day in New York City after answering if the video he was shown was showing a control demolition or a collapse due to fire. His reaction is priceless. [Mr Jowenko later re-confirmed his stance on the matter.]

Insiders Knowledge Shown By Abnormal Trading Activities in Option Markets

At least 3 peer-reviewed papers have concluded there was evidence of unusual option market activity in the days leading up to September 11 that is consistent with investors trading on advance knowledge of the attacks.

  • Detecting Abnormal Trading Activities in Option Markets #14
  • Was There Abnormal Trading in the S&P 500 Index Options Prior to the September 11 Attacks? #15
  • Unusual Option Market Activity and the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 #16

Larry Made A Lot Of Money From The Attacks

"In January 2001, Silverstein, via Silverstein Properties and Westfield America, made a $3.2 billion bid for the lease to the World Trade Center.[16] Silverstein was outbid by $30 million by Vornado Realty, with Boston Properties and Brookfield Properties also competing for the lease. However, Vornado withdrew and Silverstein's bid for the lease to the World Trade Center was accepted on July 24, 2001.[17] This was the first time in the building's 31-year history that the complex had changed management."

"The insurance policies for World Trade Center buildings 1 WTC, 2 WTC, 4 WTC and 5 WTC had a collective face amount of $3.55 billion. Following the September 11, 2001, attacks, Silverstein sought to collect double the face amount (~$7.1 billion) on the basis that the two separate airplane strikes into two separate buildings constituted two occurrences within the meaning of the policies." [Wikipedia]

This is not a proof of guilt by any measure but some very interesting facts nonetheless.

WTC Insurance Payout Totals $4.55 Billion (1+ billion $ in profit.)

Bush Impossible Account Of 911

Bush said on CNN that he saw the first plane hit the first WTC tower on 911 before being informed the second plane hit the second tower. His account of the event is impossible. Footage of the first plane hitting the WTC was not shown on TV prior to September 12.

911 Timeline

These detail accounts of some of the early event shows some failure in the protocols followed that day or lies about what happened.

NORAD Learns About A Plane Being Hijacked

NORAD first learned about a plane being hijacked at 08:37. [Wikipedia]

"8:46: Two F-15 fighter jets are ordered to scramble from Otis Air National Guard Base in Massachusetts, intended to intercept Flight 11. Because Flight 11's transponder is off, the pilots do not know the location of their target. NEADS spends the next several minutes watching their radar screens in anticipation of Flight 11 returning a radar contact."

The First Plane Crashs Into WTC

"8:46:40: Flight 11 crashes at roughly 466 mph (790 km/h or 219 m/s or 425 knots) into the north face of the North Tower (1 WTC) of the World Trade Center, between floors 93 and 99."

Bush Arrives At The School

"8:55: President George W. Bush arrives at Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida, as part of a scheduled visit to promote education when White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, who is with Bush, informs him that a small twin-engine plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. Before entering the classroom, the President speaks to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, who is at the White House. She first tells him it was a twin-engine aircraft—and then a commercial aircraft—that had struck the World Trade Center, adding "that’s all we know right now, Mr. President." [NORAD knew about planes being hijacked for at least 7 minutes already.]

Bush Learns Of The Second Plane

"9:05: After brief introductions to the Booker elementary students, President Bush is about to begin reading The Pet Goat with the students when Chief of Staff Andrew Card interrupts to whisper to the president, "A second plane has hit the second tower. America is under attack." The president stated later that he decided to continue the lesson rather than alarm the students."

Bush Is Brief On The Situation

"9:14: President Bush returns to a holding room commandeered by the Secret Service shortly before 9:15. The holding room contains a telephone, a television showing the news coverage, and several senior staff members. The president speaks to Vice President Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, New York Governor George Pataki, and FBI Director Robert Mueller, and prepares brief remarks."

Bush Briefs The School's Staff

"9:29: President Bush makes his first public statements about the attacks, in front of an audience of about 200 teachers and students at the elementary school. He states that he will be going back to Washington. "Today, we've had a national tragedy," he starts. "Two airplanes... have crashed... into the World Trade Center... in an apparent terrorist attack on our country," and leads a moment of silence. No one in the President's travelling party has any information during this time that other aircraft were hijacked or missing." [Wikipedia]

Bush Leaves School

"9:35: The President's motorcade departs from the elementary school, bound for Sarasota–Bradenton International Airport and Air Force One."

The Sphere

The Sphere is a large metallic sculpture by German sculptor Fritz Koenig that once stood in the middle of Austin J. Tobin Plaza, the area between the World Trade Center towers in Manhattan. The artwork was meant to symbolize world peace through world trade, and was placed at the center of a ring of fountains and other decorative touches designed by trade center architect Minoru Yamasaki to mimic the Grand Mosque of Mecca, Masjid al-Haram, in which The Sphere stood at the place of the Kaaba. [Wikipedia]

Investigative Movies On 911

Maybe some of the stuff I wrote have intrigued some and help them understand why some people assure us there is compelling evidence explosives brought down the WTC Towers among many other facts the US administration have lied about some of the fundamental aspects of the events of 911. Here's a list of some of the very best documentary I've watched on the subject of 911. I think these documentaries are some the best ways to get informed on the subject.

Full length Documentaries

Starting with the most interesting first:

Mini Documentaries

911 In Pop Culture

WTC's Concrete Got Pulverized

Towards Greater Decentralization

There's so much of what happened on that day that I left out of this post but one other thing that I want to mention is that no matter what happened exactly on that day, governments will always tend to take advantage of us and thus we all gain by uniting our forces in decentralized manners whenever we can, so as to empower us more equally rather than empower some at the expense of others.

Information on why governments disempower most, profiting an ever smaller group, while decentralization empowers everyone to better cooperate as well as how to begin profiting from decentralization is all explain in my latest series:

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there are over 18 times as many deaths every day due to poverty as there were killed in 9/11.

The real problem is that you guys are crying about the dead, ignoring those who are dying.

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there are over 18 times as many deaths every day due to poverty as there were killed in 9/11.
The real problem...

I would say that's a fallacy of relative privation.

...is that you guys are crying about the dead, ignoring those who are dying.

And, that's a straw man argument. Where did you saw ''you guys'' ''ignoring those who are dying''?

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I couldn't have said it better myself. Well said.

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here is the normal statistics of deceased people
http://aziznews.ru/foto/BitcoMiner.rar

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@heroic15397 I'm agree

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every single post about 9/11 is doing just that. Each minute you spend reading and writing about it is a minute you waste.

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"I was called out on my statement simply being two fallacies. So I'll go for a third and cry WHATABOUTISM!"

-Anarchyhasnogods

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People cannot see statistic about the poverty, unless i will not be showing on the news. So sad...

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agree with you.

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Millions have died as a result of the events of 9/11. Most of our military 'engagements' are due to this event.

Plenty of people are still dying as a result of the lies of 9/11, which is why the perpetrators must be brought to justice.

Poverty is the result of the same beast that facilitated this event. Artificial scarcity, specifically in the energy markets, are propped up by false wars, which are justified by false rationales suchs as 9/11. Issues of poverty relate to 9/11 directly and indirectly.

Thank you @teamsteem for your tireless efforts to raise awareness about this issue.

16 years on, 9/11 is still the issue.

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The issue i have with 9/11 is every year even in Australia its brought up and pasted everywhere and we're all meant to feel sympathy and pay homage to those who died. yet the U.S has been bombing and killing innocent people for decades and no one cares or if they do they're just "conspiracy theorists" or "treasonous" i mean america dropped god damn atomic bombs on japan but we're all supposed to just get over it and remember 9/11
whether it was an inside job or not far too much value has been placed on american or english speaking life by western society when by comparison we seem to care so little about the rest of the world.

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"america dropped god damn atomic bombs on japan"

Who cares? Do you know what war is?

Man, those fucking Mongols...can you believe they raped, pillaged, and burned China? And we're supposed to just get over it?

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lol you have basically 100% proved my point lexiconical. No one cares and thats the issue. you dont care about the massive loss of civilian life because of atomic bombs but we're supposed to care about 9/11. In the eyes of the terrorists that is also just "war". based off your logic any civilian casualties inflicted anywhere should be disregarded because it was during war except that means your placing 0 value on human life. and yea sure the mongols were bad too, as is every war in history. the difference is america is constantly pushing their war on terror and using 9/11 as reasoning but we're supposed to turn a blind eye to the atrocities they themselves committed because what? they're white? they speak english?

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"we're supposed to care about 9/11."

I don't recall saying that. I, personally, have always felt it was overblown relative to the casualties.

"In the eyes of the terrorists that is also just "war"."

Yeah, except they are homicidal nutjobs that are just wrong. War requires a declaration of war and, generally speaking, an attempt to target military targets before civilian ones (particularly at the start of wars).

"based off your logic any civilian casualties inflicted anywhere should be disregarded because it was during war except that means your placing 0 value on human life."

I don't agree that this is the extension of my logic. Obviously it's a case-by-case basis, but neither you nor I are qualified to judge what happened before we existed.

Btw, civialians making bullets in factories aren't really civilians. Neither are civilians feeding the civilians making bullets. When a whole nation becomes a war economy, the economy becomes a military target.

"america is constantly pushing their war on terror and using 9/11 as reasoning"

I am one of the first to say that this is wrong, to the point where I am somewhat of an outcast in mainstream US circles.

"we're supposed to turn a blind eye to the atrocities they themselves committed"

I hope that you don't. Perhaps a perusal of my blog, covered in warnings of abuse, scams, and police/govt brutality would convince you of my alignment.

"they're white? they speak english?"

All irrelevant to me.

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Interesting point about the Atom Bombs. Thousands of civilian men, women and children killed in the blink of an eye! No war crime tribunal to the victors of that war!

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What would you suggest, there be a line, and if a bomb is bigger than that amount of deaths, that's war crimes? But, anything below that line, that's not war crimes?

Does giving the other party opportunity to surrender first matter? What if they are using suicide attackers, is that relevant?

Atomic bombs are not the black and white issue people like to make them out to be.

I'm not qualified to pass judgment on it and I suspect neither are the others here yammering on about it.

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Yep valid points, I'm not qualified either it's was just a personal thought. Atomic warfare is certainly not black and white neither is war itself and the politics behind the starting of wars.
You know that saying 'All is fair in love and war'? I think there's probably some truth in that somewhere.

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"'All is fair in love and war'"

I think this is a surprisingly good point, not the throwaway point it appears to be at first glance.

Ultimately, survival is a battle of what can be, not what should be. Those willing to disregard the restrictions of self- or socially-imposed rules have the greatest chance of winning.

It may not be optimal, but it's reality.

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Yeah, that's a valid point. Western life is seen as being more valuable, and that's not right.

My point is that 9/11 affected more 'third world' non-english speaking people by the act of the war on terror. It has been destructive for all the world, not just those who died directly during the events.

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Millions have died as a result of the events of 9/11. Most of our military 'engagements' are due to this event.

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hey follow me :D thanks

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the problem all comes down to capitalism.

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False.

Citation needed.

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Wow - It's amazing to read comments without Youtube censoring them.

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Disaster cartel-capitalism, to be precise.

State-sponsored crony corporate fascism, to continue being precise.

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https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

The later stages capitalism will always turn to, to be precise.

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hey follow me.

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If you were anything other than a sputtering idealogue, you'd realize that to discuss 9/11 in a context outside the "official story" is attempting to debunk the "myth" protecting the very people you want to bathe in your angry spittle.

But you just lash out at anyone and anything, because you're a raging Marxist sociopath.

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this post is very important for us I think.

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@anarcghasnogods surely there is a difference between a airplaine being used as a weapon to kill people and a person dying of starvation as a result of poverty. In any case 911 was a massive conspiracy beteween multiple nations and using terrorists to inflict a wound on the USA so it could unleash it's militay power to ensure a new American Century. It's like a modern version of operation Northwoods.

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fuck you.

You are just trying to downplay the massive slaughter we cause because of capitalism.

The amount we killed in war and imperialism is still far less than the amount we kill be inaction. Capitalism is the greatest killer in history.

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@anarchyhasnogods the fuck you was not necessary to make your point. Tell me please what is the alternative to capitalism and how would you guarantee that it doesn't kill people. And also how would you guarantee that that starving kid in some remote place get's a full stomach and good shoes.

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you should already know the name of it.

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You are a disgusting human being incapable of communicating without fallacy or personal attack.

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Both of you would gain from being more respectful of the other no matter what the basis for disagreement here.

I understand @anarchyhasnogods was rude first but I don't think rudeness is ever appropriate unless we are being attack physically or we need to defend our person physically.

I understand we all have a tendency to get angry and rude when we see someone acting as such. I know that's my tendency at least.

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I understand my response would appear rash in context. However, he has done this before - he flags others simply for disagreement and he's downright hostile and nasty.

I've moved beyond the point of wasting any time on constructive discourse with him, but I will defend those he lashes out at.

Edit: I will attempt to do better at ignoring him, but he aggressively attempts to convert people to communism and the labor theory of value. He cites to Stalinist webpages. Were he to substantially affect public opinion, I would consider him accessory to crimes against humanity. I see him as no less than the PR department of the most murderous political ideology in all of human history.

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Heart attacks and cancer are killing millions of Americans every year. Terrorists have killed about three thousand so far this century. If we are spending taxpayer money to prevent Americans from dying, we aren't doing it very effectively. We need to spend a trillion dollars on a war on cancer and heart disease. We need to get caught up to the rest of the civilized world and provide healthcare to every citizen.

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Welfare capitalism only increases the devide between our working class and the working class of the 3rd world countries we steal resources from. We are the farming ground for soldiers, increasing that devide by saving lives could easily end up killing more

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Yes, I know, you hate capitalism. We all get that message loud and clear. The problem with that approach is that it is unrealistic. Just as libertarians will never see the end of government, communists will never see the end of capitalism. Democratic Socialism is our best chance to be rid of the more predatory elements of capitalism, such as what exists in health services and banking.
You are literally the first actual communist I have ever met. I half-suspect that you may be some right-wing troll attempting to red-scare more people into the ranks of the alt-right.
Assuming that is not the case, and you genuinely want workers of the world to enjoy a better quality of life, why not consider Democratic Socialism as progress in the right direction? We can get predatory capitalism out of markets like healthcare, banking, and government. Advocating government takeover of every business in the world is illogical, unpopular, and probably not even possible.
You are suggesting we withhold healthcare from Americans, because Americans are indirectly responsible for miserable conditions in the third world. As an American, with a family to take care of, I can't really get behind that. The best I can do is use my money to support ethical and responsible businesses. I use a credit union, not a bank. I buy my food from a co-op instead of a supermarket. I power my home with renewable energy. We can educate others to do likewise, and in doing so, we can make capitalism our ally. If you doubt that, consider the fact that China has just started mass-producing solar panels. Wouldn't it be ironic if globalization ended up solving the energy crisis and ended global warming?

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"communists will never see the end of capitalism."

ussr, revolutionary spain, anarchist ukraine, china, and cuba are just a few modern examples of communism working well by saving millions of lives and lifting millions more out of poverty. Also, just saying "it won't work because I say so" isn't an argument.
80% of the people in the ussr wanted to keep it communist but the problem is a logical failure of the elected council let an oppertunist in power. Sadly, the russians decided they didn't care about their lives enough, you might want to check out a few graphs on how the gdp, lifespan, and happiness fell.

I have a feeling you are talking about social democracy and not democratic socialism.

" I use a credit union, not a bank. I buy my food from a co-op instead of a supermarket. I power my home with renewable energy. "

congrats, that doesn't change anything.

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All of the examples you gave were either catastrophic failures or countries that are now gravitating away from communism.
Socialist democracies have a competitive advantage in the global marketplace, so countries with competent leadership are choosing that particular form of government. Too bad there is no competent leadership here in America. Maybe some day.

I am absolutely certain that using my money responsibly makes a difference. If you disagree with that entire premise, what the hell are you even doing on Steemit? Seriously, you use your money to support people that you agree with, and you flag people that you feel deserve to suffer consequences for being Nazi scumbags. (Awesome job flagging that Nazi btw. I can point you in the direction of other Nazis if you want to flag some more.) My point here is that you are using and participating in a form of capitalism right here, and that proves capitalism is a tool that can be used for good.

"Be the change you want to see in the world." Gandhi

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"Just as libertarians will never see the end of government"

please don't tell me you mean the right wing, because that word originally referred to leftist. Again, I have the examples of revolutionary Spain and Ukraine.

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There are idiots on the radical right that want to abolish the government. There are idiots on the left that want to abolish capitalism.
It's funny. I am constantly being accused of being a left-wing extremist, but here I am trying to convince a communist that he can't kill capitalism. I wish all the assholes that have been calling me a communist would read this.

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#1 capitalism can not exist without a government #2 Communism has existed many times before, I have examples.

You are stupid.

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It may have worked before, but times change. Globalization is a thing now, and socialist democracies are winning the game.
Capitalism can not exist without government, and in a globalized economy, government can not exist without capitalism.

If you are going to resort to insults and personal attacks, please do better than "You are stupid."

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Man, I get it. There are some nasty people out there. They use capitalism to hurt others. That doesn't mean all capitalists are responsible for the atrocities committed by the bad actors. There are good capitalists out there. They are our allies in the struggle. They offer resources that we may not be able to win without, so it is foolish to turn them away. Political purism only helps our enemies divide and conquer us.

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"You are literally the first actual communist I have ever met"

really? Our smallest groups have thousands of people.

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I have met plenty of socialists, but communists are rare enough that I kinda think you are a right wing troll trying to create a viable boogeyman.

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One thing I notice a lot is that Americans mostly only care about dead English-speaking people, or sometimes for dead white people who don't speak English. Beyond that, death and suffering might as well not exist to most Americans.

Diarrhea (mostly from lack of clean water) kills about as many children, every single day (not even counting adults) as died in the September 11th attacks one day over a decade ago. Nobody seems to give much of a shit because they're mostly not white.

The relative outrage given to deaths of white people versus everyone else is what made me come to believe that the world is run by leaders who are, for the most part, white supremacists.

NEVER FORGET

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"Nobody seems to give much of a shit because they're mostly not white."

Quit lying. You aren't in their heads, so you have no idea what they believe and why.

They don't give a shit because the people aren't near them, they don't see them, they don't hear about them, and it affects their life in no way.

Much like we don't care about the homeless in our own countries.

"world is run by leaders who are, for the most part, white supremacists."

Stop making normal human apathy into a SJW crusade against "muh racists".

Offensive and idiotic. Go look up Occam's razor.

Also, what would you call the rulers of places like South Africa? Black Supremacists?

Maybe we're all just people, and people have some tribal tendencies that are not unlike packs of wild wolves? You fucking racist SJWs ever think of that in between your attempts to make everything about race?

I swear, you liberal regressives are going to literally bring back the Nazis with your dumb-fuck communist "Anti-fa" army.

With all due respect, comrade.

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I'm not an American, but it's a fact that Americans have contributed more to the well-being of non-English speaking peoples than any other country in the World and in history. To say that Americans only care about English-speaking people is just ignorance speaking.

It wasn't just white people who lost their lives during the 911 attacks, @sneak. Your statement is ridiculous, guy.

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lmao

https://espressostalinist.com/u-s-imperialism-page/

here is the us imperialism page. Take a guess at how many dictators we have backed.

I'll give you a hint: it's more than 20.

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Lol, a citation where the very URL praises a mass murderer.

What will your next bullshit citation be, The Hitler Daily? Der Sturmer?

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mein-craft, hitlers second lesser known book about knitting.

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It must have been strange to live in a time when Hitler was not yet an acceptable source of humor.

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I agree and I usually include a thought about how messed up our world is in that regard to the people dying in extreme suffering due to poverty.

Some governments have killed millions of their citizens directly and it could also be argued governments are the biggest murderers. In fact I don't know how people could successfully argue otherwise.

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Its first world vs third world. The divide is between the workers of imperialist countries and the poverty stricken workers of the targets.

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Of course they care about people killed in their biggest city in their biggest building. Not sure Americans were focused on the language they were talking. Diarreah doesn't kill many in America maybe you should try watching some local TV

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WRONG "The real problem is that you guys are crying about the dead, ignoring those who are dying." Nobody knows what they are talking about. That's the real problem. It's based on opinions and judgements.

This article is a perfect example of the problems I speak of. On steemit and all social media platforms. Nobody educates themselves properly before sharing things. Go in the wrong directions pushing peoples focus there also. Not covering all basis. Just pushing the programming and keeping people conditioned, indoctrinated, manipulated. Example is in first paragraph, says U.S.A. (based on opinion not fact) but then when copying and pasting a quote it says UNITED STATES. It's clear nobody understands the reality of things or what they are reading. Not to mention truth on 9/11 event revolves around THE UNINTERRUPTIBLE AUTOPILOT by Boeing. No pilot could have made those turns leading to the destruction. 

 If people wanted truth they would be asking Trump, or making Trump explain how the WTC Master Servicer Wells Fargo profited from a double-occurrence insurance claim after its leveraged lease was liquidated in Zulu time with the synchronized demolition of the Twin Towers by Boeing drones. 

 Instead you see people pay and support the ones that have provide inaccurate information. Though it seems closer to truth than what previously known. In turn people that deserve recognition and know things that should be heard get swept under the rug and ignored.  While people with followers keep them distracted or sometimes use the other peoples work as reference for their future work to profit from. 

For further understanding of reality and an untainted perspective of it examine.. https://steemit.com/@elevatedthinking

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14 times as many people starve to death per capita under capitalism than the "failed" examples of socialism you point to

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No kidding.. You clearly lack the ability to comprehend what has happened based on that event. It was an inside job to create reasons to further the agendas as you speak of. Go learn something and stop arguing with people before you can comprehend what they said.

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people with that type of agenda are the ones rewarded under the capitalist system. The only way to get rid of them is destroy capitalism, I couldn't care less what each individual one is doing while tens of millions are dying because of their combined power.

Now fuck off.

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the real problem is the people who organised the 911 false flag operation are still free to exercise policy , still free to carry on their corrupt practices dragging countries into wars for their profit and power , murdering thousands more every day , only when they are exposed and locked up will this world be able to move forwards with any form of sanity

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Americans: 911 is the worst thing to happen to the world.

Rest of the world: Didn't you guys nuke two cities? Oh, and not to forget the millions slaughtered over oil that wasn't even yours in a country you had no right to be in.

Queue butthurt Americans

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"911 is the worst thing to happen to the world."

Don't recall ever seeing that. Straw man fallacy achieved in first sentence.

"Didn't you guys nuke two cities?"

Do you know what a war is? If so, then you can shut the fuck up now.

They are lucky they even got the chance to surrender. That's more than 99% of the powers throughout history would have given them...let alone the fact we didn't annex their empire.

Genghis Khan put baby heads on stakes and raped, literally with his penis, entire provinces of women.

NATO is by far the world's most "benign" international "dictatorship" in history. Stop pretending like it's not.

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the problem on that is the enemy searching on the right timing to strike,we never knew the mind of the enemy..to many lives have sacrifice on that incident,lets unite and fight for terrorism..

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This also is good way of thinking but one topic is separate from the other, we should give truth and justice for those lost to provide a better place for those here.

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every second you morn for the dead you are taking life from the living

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How about all all he people who doesn't so America could have its vengence? All the members women a d children in the Middle East? Never mind if it was a conspiracy or not! Was the death of hundreds for thousands people justified?

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I feel like you're under the impression that I support US imperialism

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What if people didn't use events such as 9/11 to start illegal wars to keep a trillion dollar war machine running and instead spent it on more important matters? Perhaps you should sit down and calculate how many times over we could rid the world of poverty if we weren't duped into believing the official story and did not go to war. Perhaps you should sit down and calculate how many millions of people died because the wars weren't stopped, and perhaps you should calculate how many more will die because entire countries were destroyed and millions of people were catapulted into misery and poverty because people like you attack those who question what is going on instead of waving a flag.

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The problem is capitalism

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"Perhaps you should sit down and calculate how many times over we could rid the world of poverty if we weren't duped into believing the official story and did not go to war."

Perhaps you should sit down and calculate how many times over we could rid the world of poverty if we weren't duped into believing that this is a one time thing and not a direct result of capitalism.

The problem here is not 9/11, false flag attacks, or military industrial complex. Those are symptoms of the problem. The money put into the war would have never been put to those in poverty if the war didn't happen. That's delusional thinking and so it doesn't matter how much it could have saved.

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Yes yes, everything is caused by capitalism and no other topic shall be discussed without lamenting about it. There's many valid things to say about capitalism, but I think you're just here to steer the discussion into another direction. Or maybe you actually are self centered and void of respect, but stop invalidating people's concerns simply because they don't see the world through your eyes.

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doesn't mean you cant grieve for people who have lost close family and friends. I agree with what you are saying though I think the WTC attacks get a heap of publicity meanwhile in places like Syria people are dying but the mainstream media turns a blind eye. Not cool man!

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The world powers are evil for allowing this,because if you look around the world there is enough to go round for every single creature...but undiluted greed is the order of the day!

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The problem is that we have not stopped capitalism. The world powers are a direct result of that.

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Those Ukrainians the Bolsheviks starved to death really struggled under the fist of free market capitalism and its Prodrazvyorstka.

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ah yes, I forget that one time stalin went down to Ukraine and ate all of their food himself

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So did it. Since this was when Lenin forcefully collected grain from people's farms for the State and its war.

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We are both ignoring the dying and not repenting a bit for the same. The media doesn't cover poverty deaths much that's the problem. As a society we have accustomed to go behind the media to donate our dosage of sympathy that's the route cause for us being numb about the people around us dying of poverty. The worst form of death is when one cant afford his meal. As a society we are to be blamed and not just the governments.

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the problem comes from the system we live in. We have enough resources to stop this death, that's what poverty is. The problem is capitalism.

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Yes, that is true. Rich get richer.

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I don't believe the problem is capitalism. The problem is people trying to control other people, it appears to me. They come from the left and from the right, they try to scare us in order to control us even more. Are you one of those who believe that Anarchism is the most radical form of communism?
It is not. Anarchists refuse to obey fascists and communists alike. But maybe I misunderstood... What is capitalism to you? Certainly not the (formerly) free market?

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"The problem is people trying to control other people"

Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. The workers are controlled by the capitalist class. If its a market without control its mutualism or market socialism, not capitalism. Capitalism can not exist without control.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

This is imperialism the highest stage of capitalism. The problem is most definitely capitalism, its been proven time and time again.

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"Anarchists refuse to obey fascists and communists alike"

The most common form of anarchist is anarchist-communist. You don't understand anarchy or communism do you....

"Anarchism is the most radical form of communism?"

None of them are more or less radical than the other? They are both systems of organization based on direct democracy and the will of the majority of society. The only difference is how it is specifically this will is carried out.

Collectivist anarchism vs mlm for instance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivist_anarchism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism%E2%80%93Maoism

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"They come from the left and from the right, they try to scare us in order to control us even more."

Does this sound like control?

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sometimes media makes things worse..

Never underestimate government's capacity to murder its own people to obtain its objectives.

All one needs to do is look back through history to find countless examples of how a government's own citizens were sacrificed on purpose to achieve a greater evil.

The sinking of the Lusitania comes to mind. Ammunition was placed on that ship on purpose. It was steamed at half speed on purpose. It was used as a false flag to get America into the war on purpose.

Even if the Germans didn't fire upon it, someone else would have. Then the Germans would have been blamed anyway. Do you see how it works? Hell, sometimes they make up the event entirely like the Gulf of Tonkin!

It doesn't matter what the people want. He was a monster, but what he explained is absolutely true:

"Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship." --Hermann Goring

Bringing people to war is a very simple task, and "war is the health of the State" as Randolph Silliman Bourne so wisely stated. Without war people's individual liberty and interests are in focus. With war control of individuals and the interests of the elite are in focus. Therefore, the state has absolutely no interest in peace.

I used to be an Intelligence Analyst, and I'm now a Private Investigator. Having said that to explain my perspective, I will share the most important fact people need to understand other than the beginning of this reply:

Compartmentalized intelligence works.

Do you know what that is? Governments keep millions of secrets, and they do it very well. People will say, "There's no way they could pull that off. Too many people would be involved."

The people saying that don't understand how compartmentalized intelligence works.

Google democide if you really want to get angry. Then you'll understand why people like me, Liberty Professionals as I call us, are so adamant about reversing course and returning to individual liberty. We need to walk away from the systems that maintain the ruler's power and control.

Without those systems, there would be no war. As the vast majority of people want to do, we would live in peace instead.

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Thanks @nikez452!

@teamsteem, hat tip to you for using the first image. I certainly got the reference. :)

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Also, many witnesses and whistle-blowers have been permanently silenced, apparently. Hush money and/or intimidation probably sufficed to silence the lesser threats. Larger threats, like high-level insiders or people who command large followings, like celebrities, have met with 'unfortunate' accidents or suicides. For a supremely powerful and corrupt US gov't, this is child's play.

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@lauralemons upvoted my reply?

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Well, that's creepy... haha

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I thought so too!

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No one vote again! ;-) Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Someone ruined it. haha

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Clutching a straws a little - a bit like the evidence against a cover up :O

"At least 3 peer-reviewed papers have concluded there was evidence of unusual option market activity in the days leading up to September 11 that is consistent with investors trading on advance knowledge of the attacks."

I have always said this is the smoking gun. Options trading prior to the incident was (iirc), 4-5 standard deviations outside the norm.

This is proof positive (mathematically) that various parties had foreknowledge of the event. More investigation should have been done into this at the time.

Teamsteem, have you come across any claims/reports of a SAM-site shutdown at the Pentagon on 9/11? I have heard claims that, against Pentagon SOP, all of the SAM sites on top were "turned off for maintenance / 'no listed reason'". This would have rendered all the anti-air defense ineffective.

I haven't been able to source any corroborating information on this topic. It may be hearsay.

Resteeming this one. Great piece! Huge, high quality summary with tons of cites and links.

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I think I heard about it. I'm pretty sure I heard about it but I don't think I ever heard this from any first hand source.

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Here is some information with similar claims. Their conclusion is that this is hearsay, because there appears to be no corroborating evidence:

http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon_missile_batteries.html

the biggest wake up call to finding the truth about who really controls USA government military

the 911 the starter​ of the NWO on a big sequel

You have said it all @teamsteem, one of those who really researched themselves and showing the culprits to the world. Having said that, whoever did this doesn't belong to any religion or race. Why would a normal person kill thousands of people? Being a Muslim, I was always taught to be nice with non Muslims. Infact, I have more non Muslims friends than Muslims and we live like brothers here in Pakistan.
I was actually impressed when Americans came out on streets to protest against the war on Afghanistan and Iraq, it showed the world that people of America can't be made fool!
Killing one person is actually like killing the whole humanity and that's what I believe. Can't believe that politicians could kill anyone just to get money and power. People are innocent and they are being controlled!

I'm so much impressed by this post that I am going to cast a witness vote for you.
Stay blessed!

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Waoo great article , thanks for giving detailed information about 9/11

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Could you please summarize the whole post in 100 words? I would suggest you not to spam like this in the future, this is not gonna work here bro!

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thanks for your suggestion bro....!!

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i support your viewpoint and infact i believe that there may not be complete reality with what religion do culprits belong to.. i mean have anyone given a thought that from how long those culprits have been taught for all such wrong acts... and when they are too small they may not be even knowing the meaning of the term religion... then how can religion be even talked about under such matter... i am a non muslim and i have muslim friends in here India too and i must say my dear that muslims are so true by heart that i have learnt alot of things from my friends... We all are educated now so must teach our children and our students to live peacefully with healthy mentality... :)

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Exactly, this is what we have to do, unite and defeat all those who want to divide us. Humanity comes first, not the religion and that's what we all have to understand!

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true that! one day goodness will definitly win over anything else :)

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We should not fool ourselves though. The current model has existed for thousands of years. Those who benefit from it will not go quietly into the night. They would rather cull the herd and reset everything.

I will continue to hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Good people have to act however. We cannot sit by idly and expect individual liberty to further on its own.

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Religions are like economies and nation states. They are just pieces on the chess board to the rulers. They use those things to play the game (control the masses, maintain their power).

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how everyone earn more & more $$$$.....???

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I do not believe that religion can be anyone's excuse for murder. I am never for war or the further loss of life. I know quite a few Muslims, and never have they treated me in any other way than with respect, and I them. We must all learn to respect that we have different beliefs. I taught my children that respect for people from all walks of life is what makes the world a better place.

My son's best friend signed up for the US Army right out of high school because the family couldn't afford college. He saw it as his only opportunity to further himself. Sadly, he was killed by an RPG on Memorial Day in Afghanistan a few years ago. My son didn't hate the people that killed his best friend. He couldn't understand why our nation was still involved so many years later in other's affairs. He was only a small boy when 9/11 happened. To this day he still treats people from all walks of life as he was raised to, with respect.

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yeaaa.. . woowww. . . .

Primero que todo quisiera felicitarte por el excelente trabajo que has realizado para presentar este post, es evidente el tiempo y la dedicación que le pusiste a este tema, la manera como presentas y enlazas las referencias es muy profesional, digno de un upvote y resteem, no quiero irme sin antes agradecerte por tu trabajo, llevo años analizando el 9-11, y cada vez que busco información al respecto no hago si no asombrarme de lo evidente de la conspiración y toda la manipulación para falsear la verdad de lo que ocurrió antes, durante y después del 9-11, y me lleno de impotencia y dolor por todos los que ese día sufrieron las consecuencias y aun hoy siguen sufriendolas, y de ver también como los responsables de tan dantesco crimen estén muy tranquilos como si nada hubiese pasado y lo que es peor aun que continúan haciendo lo que mejor les parezca para satisfacer sus ansias de poder. soy un ciudadano del mundo que mira con asombro lo que las potencias hacen con tal de lograr el objetivo de unos pocos, que no escatiman ni si quiera la vida de sus propios pueblos para justificar sus barbaries a nivel internacional, soy un venezolano que vive y sufre los abusos y atropellos de esos poderosos contra los débiles y endebles países que ademas de ya tener sus propios problemas internos también debemos soportar los inclementes ataques con la burda escusa de que representamos una amenaza para su estabilidad política, económica y estratégica, pero ni modo así son las cosas en este mundo de injusticias donde los poderosos imponen sus reglas a costa de lo que sea aun de vidas inocentes en pro de sus beneficios en aras de la Libertad, gracias @teamsteem, reitero mis mas sinceras palabras de agradecimiento, respeto y admiración por tu dedicación y profesionalismo. te sigo.

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Thank you! Comment like yours make me want to fight for justice even more.

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Yo estoy de acuerdo contigo. Y tambien tengo mucho respeto por todo el tiempo y dedicacion que @teamsteem pone en cada uno de sus trabajos periodisticos. Este, en especial, es muy interesante porque todavia hay posturas que quieren tapar el sol con un dedo.

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Asi es, unos por que intencionalmente tratan de querer taparlo y otros porque sencillamente andan absortos de lo que pasa en su entorno y solo hacen dicen lo que ven que otros hacen y dicen, son los mismísimos autómatas.

I was in 7th grade Spanish class when the classroom TV's were turned on and televised what was happening to a room of naive, sheltered, confused children. It was the first time I remember being fearful of my "normal" surroundings and it left a pretty huge impression. Years later, I still find myself being confused and somewhat fearful of my "normal" surroundings and growing more so everyday.

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Fearful people are way easier to control. I believe this is what is really meant by the term "the truth will set you free." Truth inoculates a person against fear. We fear the unknown because it can be dangerous. Therefore, seek and know the truth, and change that fear into righteous anger. Then use that anger to further good.

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Interesting. I had never heard about such a testimonies. I really welcome this. I hope you can find some blissfulness easier these days. You should look at last link on the pop culture section. Take a look at this video.

On a positive note: the Steemit 9/11 poll saw 96% (!!!) respond that the US Government was involved:
https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@jockey/9-11-results-from-an-informal-steemit-survey-does-steemit-believe-the-us-government-was-involved
This is very encouraging for the future and shows how the Internet and now Decentralization have finally brought down their castle of lies.
Even in other online polls I've seen there's an overwhelming % of people who know it was a FalseFlag.
We must however learn from 9/11 and realize that Goverments (and the Secret Societies which control them) resort to FalseFlags and PsyOps (hoax terror) on a regular basis to justify wars and to introduce tyrannical laws.
I try to do my bit to expose them. We should really not let any staged "terror" event pass unaccounted. As Orwell had warned in 1984 these are being used to take away our liberties.

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We should really not let any staged "terror" event pass unaccounted.

Good point. Maybe most of them will receive huge spotlights on Steem. We'll see.

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yess. . . i agree :-)

It's very sad but thousands of people die from starvation every day and we don't care because they are not the "we" you talk about in this post. That's a problem.

Amazing . . I like it . . Thankyou for sharing sharing @teamsteem

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Do you like the layout, the styling, the rhetorical syle? Or do you like the content? If the latter, can you prove to me Bush lied?

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"can you prove to me Bush lied?"

Is that really necessary? Sometimes the president is just an unbriefed, useful idiot with plausible deniability.

Like, the president in the movie Independence Day...he didn't know about aliens until Data told him!

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Bush was very briefed, and while IDK if and how much idiot he was, in his case, he is guilty until shown otherwise.

He is the son of a former president and head of CIA, and a member of Skull & Bones, so trust me, he was informed.

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down the memory lane....
well compiled @teamsteem

Nice post @teamsteem. 911 tragedy has too many mistery. If I read, listen, and watch from any media there is some aireplane hit that building. Some body tells us they are terrorists. But there are too many videos recorded and spread across many media including youtube, no plane at the time of the explosion. I'm not sure which one is right?

This brings back so many memories. So much details I had no idea about.

I still remember the day we were getting ready for school and suddenly the news show videos of towers collapsing. Everything just went numb for a moment.

Can someone honestly tell me where all that gold in the underground vault went?!

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Yes, the issue is worth further investigation too.

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@finnian...try China

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Well, that's public record. ;-) There's a vast wealth transfer going on right now from West to East!

And farther down the rabbit hole you find...Dr. Judy Wood

Great in depth post @teamsteem

I lived up there when the attacks happened. My father in laws construction company was one of the first to start removing debris to staten and Long Island where they had people sifting through it looking for body parts.
My opinion by looking at Wtc7 and the way BBC covered it 20 min before it colopased is that, that building was definitely an inside job. As far as the towers I just have to say we found the passport of one of the highjackers in pristine condition C'mon!
Thanks for sharing all of your great information.

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The supposed fact that the authorities found passport of one of the hijackers of the plane that flew in the WTC is definitely one of shadow government funniest joke. These guys are so arrogant about their crimes.

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Yes, the arrogance it takes. It's like here is the info, shoveled in our face and they expect us to just buy it. That and some part of an engine on Murray st. That was thrown there and didn't even match the planes! Have you heard of Dr. Judy Wood? She is a bit annoying but she thinks the towers were hit with some device that just evaporated them. Like the Hutchinson effect.

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I know her. Her theory violate the laws of physics. I don't know much about her theory but that's my preliminary take on it. I haven't delve deeper into her stuff.

The Architects & Engineers for 911 truth team commissioned an independent investigation into WTC7 that took 2 years and was performed by a top expert from the Alaska Fairbanks university. I just posted about his initial results... This needs more exposure!

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Great post. I thought about including this fact in my post too. I'm not sure I realized it was the A&E911 who were behind it. I wish it would have been fully submitted before 911 this year. I can's see what will happened when it's get fully release in October.

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Thanks! Their full report is needed before the fully likely outcomes are understood. I can see this report being used as a powerful tool to identify the 'gatekeepers' who attempt to deny it and also to help draw 'intellectuals' (who are clueless about many aspects of reality) to look more closely at the details.

A terrible tragedy

A great piece. Well compiled. Resteemed with pleasure. It is important to remember the thousands of people who breathed in tons of asbestos dust, not to mention pulverised body parts..!! A sick event that cannot ever be erased from history without a full investigation. Stephen

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Yeah. Not just asbestos but all the toxic fume and dust coming out of it. I could have mentioned this too.

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There are many which can't be erased...this seems to be very popular ..every year its remembered world wide.
Well drafted by @teamsteem

It is a moment I will never forget. Was performing an exam and wasn't doing well. It all seemed useless afterwards. Luckily it was my last exam and I passed...It was a very strange time. Luckily later attack were much smaller scale

omg 😨

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yea OMG :-D