The question of the FlaggER and the FlaggEE - The Takers and The Leavers - and what to DO about it

in2itiveart (69)in #art • 8 years ago (edited)

It see many great posts have been written about Flagging -

and that is only up to page 2 in the search... (for new steemers reading this post - this is to supply the necessary background info you might need to understand the following)

...but nothing has changed. I was recently flagged on 2 separate occasions - once because 2 dolphin types tossed me back and forth like a minnow in their little game, and another seemed to be because someone just did not like what I wrote. On neither occasion did I steal other people's writing, I did nothing "wrong" under Natural Law, and yet - man-made law saw fit to flag my posts.

The principle behind flagging is "Authority". It is not actually a principle - when it comes to "people" - perhaps I should call it an "ideology". There is no such thing as Authority within Natural Law - except for the Spirit and Natural Law itself. God does not have grandkids. People who call themselves "Authority" are violating Natural Law principles. People they want to "flag" will also be taken care of by Karma and Natural Law Principles. There is no need to interfere. Karma takes care people who behave badly so we do not need police.

From the perspective of Takers* - People would assume "authority" because they would fear scarcity - they would see a need for more space to be developed and they would view the person over whom they would like to take "authority" as "in their way" - so they would kill them. This is the analogy I would give to "flagging on Steemit".

From the Leavers* perspective - People would not assume authority because they would know if they would just leave the entity alone that they perceive as out of alignment - it will either be taken down by Karma or it will die on it's own. No need to kill it. No need to interfere with Nature taking Her course.

*Takers and Leavers" - for the moment, I am borrowing from Daniel Quinn's book Ishmael. We in "civilization" are indoctrinated into "Taker" mentality. We are under a form of mind-control which tells us that in order to "be" an anarchy just means we say we are and then we go about business as usual.

This is simply impossible. We have all been living in a oligarchy for far too long to just be able to happily switch over to anarchy on Steemit just by "saying" we are going to. Steemit is set up as a hierarchy - with whales as the elite class and dolphins as the middle class and minnows as the po' and with Witnesses as the priest-class.
I think the idea of letting the minnows climb the ranks through the sweat of their brow is sweet - but unfortunately - it is an experiment that has failed many many times and will fail again.

Steemit could beCOME an anarchy, should the whales and witnesses all get on the same page and act like "elder statesmen" with regards to the power they hold - leading by example - serving without governing, and the minnows abide by Natural Law and use the Golden Rule - but this is yet to be determined.

As long as there is the power to "flag" and in the situation of posting and flagging - and the flaggers are the only ones carrying the guns - and the flaggees cannot defend themselves - we are still in the indoctrinated society of Takers.

The question is - can there really be true Anarchy within Takerdom? Or is Anarchy only available within the domain of Leavers?

Operating from the premise that we must carve out our territory and then defend it, as Takers or Agriculturists, and of course, in order for it to continue it must grow outward possibly because we are fearful by nature and the natural evolvement without extreme self-discipline, is to continue to grow - eventually there will be perceived overcrowding and then we will have to kill off our competition to ensure that we can continue to grow without obstruction. This is the inevitable consequence of being a Taker -

Anarchy cannot exist within this ideology because Takers inevitably cause harm to those they perceive as encroaching on "their" territory. They steal, they rape, they murder and they trespass, because they feel that they are somehow superior to all the others - they are the "Authority". In Takerdom, there will always be Sheeple and there will alway be Shepherds. At some point the Sheeple become disposable to the Shepherds. The Shepherds can hang a picture of the Sheeple on their wall in memory of how it "used to be" and just continue to consume the land that used to house the Sheeple. This is where we are now - there is the idea of scarcity and overcrowding so we are killing off the competition and hanging pictures of their images on our walls, in our logos, etc.

Anarchy can "appear" to exist as long as there are not too many people involved, but once there are many people living on top of one another - the true nature of being a Taker comes out - and there is no room for anarchy any more. The most powerful Shepherds must control the Sheep.

On the other hand, operating from the premise of Leavers - Hunter Gatherer's - (who have all but been annihilated by the Takers) Anarchy is the only way - each member of the community voluntarily supports the others and him/herself by contributing their individual gifts. Each person's contribution is unique - so there is no need to kill the other person if you don't agree with them. There is rarely disagreement - usually just contribution. There is extended discussion until there is unanimity. There is consensus. No need to take "authority". Instead, a desire to seek guidance from the ultimate Authority. If someone breaks Natural Law - Karma will take care of them. There is no killing unless threat of death to survive exists. There is much more gathering than hunting. There is no "throwing things away" - everything is used. When nothing is thrown away it builds respect of each and every entity.

There is working with the land and animals and others - sharing - because the community helps each other stay alive and prosper - there is respect for all life - family - the inner circle of family and the outer family of everything else - as equal to - each other without authority.

There is freedom. There is no need to murder because there is a goal for the higher good of all who share the earth together. There is no desire to rape, as there is mutual respect for each member's contribution and each person's self-ownership. There is no need to steal because everyone is served and serves everyone else. There is no need to trespass because everything ultimately belongs to Nature. There is horizontal ownership voluntarily - no authority other than Nature Herself and perhaps the elders who have had more experience. There is self-government because the greater is served when each controls their wants and desires and demands. The ego is right-sized - not wanting, wondering and wishing - but instead - mature and thoughtful. This is not socialism or an outside imposed communism - this is just hunter-gatherer life. Where do flaggers come in to hunter-gatherer life? No need for "flaggers" - because everyone's contribution creates the whole community. Mutual respect grows. Diversity is encouraged. Natural Law takes care of the violaters - no need for the police.

We are "civilized" so we all come from the Taker mentality... we are under mind-control.

What to do about it? We must do the work to become UNindoctrinated. We must practice The Golden Rule. The whales and dolphins must consider becoming elder statesmen, leading by example not by weilding their big clubs. And we should all be allowed to carry guns until we learn good manners, not just the flaggers.

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8 years ago in #art by in2itiveart (69)

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quantumanomaly (60) 8 years ago

If i cared enough to combat such stupidity I would have flagged your original post as well. Its terribly insensitive, on top of having a compleye lack of how general water treatment works. Unless you think clear water comes out of the sewer by some magic that removes all the shit and piss at the faucet, theres no way we're getting hormones from water that other people have peed in.

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in2itiveart (69) 8 years ago

@quantumanomaly the theory came from a conversation I had with a Naturopathic doctor - it found it to be an interesting idea. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-03-10-drugs-tap-water_N.htm
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/pharmawater_site/day1_01.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/science/earth/03water.html?_r=0

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ayn-rands-dick (25) 8 years ago

And what research have you done on the topic besides these three articles?
Have you spoken to trans-people before calling them unnatural and a symptom of your perceived problem with the world?

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ayn-rands-dick (25) 8 years ago

It's a pity that Daniel Quinn's great words are being used by a transphobic bigot like yourself.

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in2itiveart (69) 8 years ago (edited)

thank you for sharing @ayn-rands-dick ...

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ayn-rands-dick (25) 8 years ago

You use a lot of "Coded Language" and "Keywords" for someone who is supposed to be "UNindoctrinated".

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in2itiveart (69) 8 years ago (edited)

please - go on? I don't know what you are talking about @ayn-rands-dick - is it possible you have not been on steemit long enough to know about "flagging" and to understand that steemit is attempting to be an anarchist movement folks are still acting out of the monarchy? this article is regarding "flagging" you might want to do a steemit search for posts about flagging and then that might give you some background on what I am talking about here - i perhaps should have done that in my article - maybe I will add a paragraph in the front of the article with some links to all the posts on flagging - good point - for the people who are new to steemit and don't have any idea what I am talking about - and I never said I was completely unindoctrinated - I don't see how that would be possible living in a major us city -

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ayn-rands-dick (25) 8 years ago

Is it about flagging? It seems to be about a lot of stuff for you.
" Anarchy is the only way - each member of the community voluntarily supports the others and him/herself by contributing their individual gifts. "
Unless that individual lives in a way that you don't agree with. Then you talk about and judge the way children look!

Then you go and use code words like "the monarchy".
Seems you have a lot of baggage about how people (children too) live their lives and should present themselves. Not good for anarchy or voluntarism or SELF-governance.
You seem confused.
You have a lot of opinions (gender, water filtration, etc) on things you don't seem to understand. Ignorance and anarchy are not good bedfellows.

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anns (53) 8 years ago

I like the paintings
Some Nice Ideas
Keep on Steeming!

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in2itiveart (69) 8 years ago

thank you @anns!

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ayn-rands-dick (25) 8 years ago

I am as tolerant and inclusive to you as you are to OTHERS.

The founders of this country and this site disagree with you.

You might not listen to my words but try listening to the CO-FOUNDER of this site.

https://steemit.com/censorship/@dantheman/censorship-is-impossible-in-a-free-society

"All users, particularly whales, have financial incentive to be tolerant and inclusive. This grows the overall network effect and makes everyone the most money possible. To the extent any community adopts a culture of intolerance that overly restricts the range of acceptable opinion it will push people away. New communities will form to serve the needs of those who are rejected and the free market competition for mindshare will continue."

"Lets stop throwing the term “censorship” around here on Steemit unless it is explicitly referring to the threat of violence. It is out of place and conjures up inappropriate negative reactions similar to playing the race card. Instead, lets focus on the rights of all voters to express their opinion for or against any post."

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