Steemit's Malicious @steemcleaners downvote ATTACKS
Whoever you are, @steemcleaners, please note on the Steemit FAQ under
"What can users post to Steemit?"
It states,"Steem is an open platform meant to host and welcome any legal content. Users can post anything they want, whether it be phrases, quotes, blogs, anecdotes, photos, videos, memes, songs, and more. Be creative!"
And also under, "Community - Is there an Etiquette Guide for Steemit?"
It states in the FAQ,
"There are no official rules for participating on steemit.com, but one of the users @thecryptofiend has created an Etiquette Guide for the community. While it is not required to follow the suggestions in the guide, they are standards that many users in the community choose to follow."
I woke up Monday morning only to find 3 of my posts dead (i.e. all photos removed, ALL FUNDS STOLLEN/downvoted) from a visit from @steemcleaners, who left a comment as follows:
I replied on each one to explain that I have been publishing since 1994, first print magazines and then moved over to include online in 1995, where I've had tens of thousands of different webpages off and on for the last 23 years, which received over 250 Million visitors before the counter broke a good 13-15 years ago; and with that had accumulated upwards of 50,00 - 100,000 stock photos. Many of those I have shared freely online to inspire others. I tried to appease them with placing the source they wanted annotated.
Still now 3 days later I have received no reply whatsoever to resolve the issue. The first post they hit, as indicated already on the post at the bottom, was taken completely from an ebook I MYSELF wrote and published 4 years ago in 2014 and the pic in question on that post was found by the @steemcleaners bot to be on a webpage (not my own) from 2017. When they never replied after the first day, I even replaced the whole damn photo and still haven't gotten any reply or guidance towards resolution.
Instead of helping the next day, they hit another post of mine about GRATITUDE, where the @cheetah had found some text, which I had pulled portions of off one of my domains still with some old content on, and @steemcleaners came pounding on that, albeit this time being a bit more courteous. After what happened on the first 3 with no reply to help resolve them at all, and even though I had already referenced my site in the post, I felt forced, coerced and even extorted to post something on my site proving I control it. Instead of that satisfying them, I woke up today, still with no reply on any of them, to find @steemcleaners had struck 2 more of my posts again. Albeit, this time, at least, they didn't downvote all of my funds - just most of :(.
Later, @pjau replied several hours ago on that post to tell me, "Thank you, we have verified you!" but hasn't yet answered my question of, "what does that mean?" and what about resolution on the other posts. So I guess he works with @steemcleaners.
I did finally find something in the FAQs of steemit that I'm guessing this Malicious @steemcleaners downvote bot attacker believes to have some authority to be able to go around destroying posts and stealing their funds by downvoting them so horribly.
This above portion is a contradiction by steemit Inc. and should at least be annotated also in that first Q&A of the FAQs on "What can users post to Steemit?"; and this entire subject should be more clarified, especially for us newbies who feel completely lost in all the extreme complexities of steemit to begin with. For me today makes 18 days active here.
Why would I go stealing pics online, when I have so many really good ones in my archives? And again, it's only discouraged in that statement, anyway. My point from the start has been that for their bot to find a site with the same photo on it does not constitute grounds for a punishable legal crime of plagiarism, especially in my unique circumstances. Sites like Tineye.com can help, but still the bot data only goes back so far, even if I shared with @steemcleaners that it gave better data than they used. Yes, there are also sites like the Wayback Machine crawler (on http://web.archive.org) that has data I can see at least back to 1996, but that is just too time consuming and very limited in scan data and scope. I just can't tell you how frustrating it is to have all these photos and older material, that I had hoped I could use here to inspire others and maybe make a few bucks to cover some costs, to be bullied by these malicious downvote bots without any warning, recourse or interaction, and be pushed into limiting myself to using pics from Pixabay.com and Pexels.com.
In my experience, stock photos are generally purchased with full rights of use and in the old days many times the original author, who has already gotten paid for the work, includes white label rights to use. It is much like how a ghostwriter does with his or her work too. Generally speaking, if an author wishes to keep credit for the work, they will include a © followed by the author's name physically on the photo itself. I'm sure there are millions of photos online which people share all the time for various reasons and just because one of these so called copyright bots scanned a pic on a particular site before posting on steemit doesn't constitute a legal claim per se. These bots have only been around for a decade or so and the internet has been around since the 70's. With me and my friends on other social media and groups, it is usually to inspire and encourage others, even if I do use the pics as well to advertise domains for sale. I have seen pics I had the rights to in the 90's and later shared online and even on steemit, (even photos I have shot myself), but that is not my style to make a fuss. If I shared them online with no copyright imprint on them that means it is meant to be free use for anyone to use, INCLUDING MYSELF.
In Conclusion:
So while I do get that you somehow want to clean up steemit, @steemcleaners, I just don't get the complete lack of any warning, extremely harsh strong-arm tactics (STEALING PEOPLE'S FUNDS) and especially not replying at all what-so-ever to help us newbies out a bit. I would ask you (or whatever humans there are behind @steemcleaners) to consider just how much more harm you do to the overall steemit community, treating so many people so extremely prejudicial and STEALING THEIR MONEY. There are also a lot of very poor people on here looking for a way to get by. So come on guys, give us a break. I'm trying my damnedest to hang in here to find a better solution for everyone, because I do believe in steemit. We need more clarity on this in how to best proceed and it needs to be clearly conveyed in the FAQs. I was thinking of some sort of disclaimer on the bottom of each post, but if the community does not call off the malicious @steemcleaners bot from such harsh inhuman treatment, I can't see how steemit has much hope for the future. Plus, it seems wrong for one person or bot to be able to downvote someone's hard-earned money away, even if it is only a few bucks.
Please share your thoughts and ideas on how to resolve this mess.
Some other posts I've shared on steemit:
BELIEVE IN YOURSELF
Happy World Poetry Day!!!
International Day Of Happiness
Surfing (Living on the Edge) Pics
True Star Buried Deep Within You
Remembering Who We Really Are - Part 1
Remembering Who We Really Are - Part 2
ANCIENT ADVICE for MODERN TIMES #1
ANCIENT ADVICE for MODERN TIMES #2
ANCIENT ADVICE for MODERN TIMES #3
ANCIENT ADVICE for MODERN TIMES #4
ANCIENT ADVICE for MODERN TIMES #5
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ANCIENT ADVICE for MODERN TIMES #11
Research Predicts $91,000 By March 2020 for Bitcoin
REMEMBER YOUR DREAMS OF THE HIGHEST DEGREE
Empathize - Connecting with How Others Think and Feel
TO REGULATE OR NOT TO REGULATE? That is the question...
How to Empower Your Business - Focusing on Your Customers
GRATITUDE IS AN INSTANT REMEDY TO ILLUSIONS OF LACK
Whatever the Mind Can Conceive and Believe the Mind Can Achieve.
Why Stellar Lumens (XLM/STR) is One of My Favorite Crypto Currencies
What it Takes to Really Be a Star Is To Be the Real You That You Really Are.
Have an awesome day :)
Follow me: @positivesynergy
Thank you for reiterating that.
Pending post payouts don't belong to you until the post or comment is 7 days old. Nothing was stolen from you.
I completly disagree with you.
I dont think this is very common believe here.
It's like saying that if you're working and earning then you cannot count on your money until you will get cash to your hand.
Anyway thank you for your comment
You have more to learn about Steem then.
Thank you for your reply.
I understand social media quite well as being social media marketer is what I do for a living. And I've spent tons of hours reading other people posts and comments in many different topics. And I believe I represent majority of people here.
The problem is that there is no "guide" on steemit and at the end of the day we're all making our own rules.
ps.
I noticed that you're not really active blogger?
Cheers,
I agree it gets all complicated in the semantics of the steem blockchain algorithm.
If I use my steem power to upvote you and give you funds out of my portion of the rewards pool that I invested in having, I can't think of a better word than stealing for someone to go and downvote the funds I gave to you away from you; even if the downvoters themselves do not actually get the funds. If that happened to you, wouldn't it feel like stealing?
Even the best intentions of Robin Hood were still considered "stealing from rich to give to the poor". The simple fact of the matter is that whether one takes the check that's in the mail (like the steemit 7 day period propagating the funds) or funds out of someone's pocket or bank account, it's still stealing in my book, even if they don't actually keep the stolen funds; and I'm sure anyone who's new here like me would agree, if it happened to them too. This is what I see as probably the number one fault of steemit.
It has been my pleasure to weave my way through your blog posts. I can see why some bot (or not) would pest you about no credit given your pics. You use many and use them well. Yes, they were out of line and obnoxious and idiotic. Ah, but that's what humans do best it seems at times. I can't add anything to the post above, you've covered all the bases it appears. However, It seems to me there needs to be some sort of Council of Elders whom one might take this sort of thing to. I know we have the Witnesses here but they seem to me, a relative newbie, a rather shadowy group of folks who gained that status, at least in part, through some high-school-like popularity contest. And how does one go about getting their attention? And what are there responsibilities?
Just a couple of observations: your blog here has really good energy. I have no doubt you'll be a great success here on Steemit or on @dans Steem II if that's how things fall out. The world is looking for leaders with a spiritual tone and depth. it seems you have those. What we need is not the old paradigm of aggressive, macho competitiveness but of visionary cooperative abundance, with enlightened leadership. I do like very much the piece resteemed about Hernando de Soto. That's what I call visionary.
I'm going to resteem your piece on the gratitude journal/gratitude. I keep one of those myself. A little group of us that I'm associated with is interested right now in that exact thing. I was asked to submit an article about the grat journal practice but yours will waaay suffice, and may get you a follower or two!
Blessings my friend, I'm sure I'll be seeing more of you. Oh, and just out of curiosity, I noticed a kind of Buddhist flavor to some of your posts. I refer to myself as a fool-of-an-almost-Buddhist. I love some of their "practices" and philosophies but can't bring myself to relinquish my independence. Would be interested in knowing more about your spiritual practice if you'd care to mention it. May peace be yours today.
@mistermercury
You mention a lack of elders yet in every controversial discussion you add some sound advice. Need we look any further?
Well, @dpl, what can I say. When I look in the mirror I see a fool of sorts, but perhaps one with a bit of wisdom. Thanks.
Great point, @dpl :)
Thank you so much, @mistermercury, for your well thought out expression of wisdom, as well as a resteem or anything to get this word out. You really helped brighten my day, after waking up to find first that @steemcleaners did an unvote on two of the 5 posts in question, which for some reason still didn't restore all the funds, but still it published those 2 and another in it's published "Plagerism List". Man, did that get me steamed (no pun intended :).
And thanks so much for the comments of my spiritual convictions. I sort of laugh, because with my nerves steaming like this any and all practices can help... I've been through and studied most of them and in actuality, my poetry is for me as well to read, get inspired from and help remember who and what I really am.
And of course when I go read the one "Remembering Who We Really Are - Part 2" I am reminded again that that entire content was taken as excerpts of my own ebook I copyrighted and published 4 years ago, and still even after completely removing the pic @steemcleaners had punished me for (dated only a year ago), it is the most dead in the water post of all of mine now.
Anyway, I'm digressing and need to go calm my nerves, meditating and doing some yoga. Thanks again
Well, if the meditating and yoga don't work then might I recommend a "clearing"practice I use? Swear, curse, kick against the pricks, etc. Seems to help me.
LOL... Hahahaha Laughing helps a lot too... :)
Hi @positivesynergy
I don't know why this is an increasing trend on the steemit platform! It is quite worrisome and to think I have actually invested in this platform believing that we would be able to build it together. This behavior is unacceptable to say the least!
I despise slinging mud on this platform because I know I'm doing damage to what I've invested in but telling people what is going on is more important because then they can make informed decisions on how to proceed.
I have read a post that is even more alarming that the issue you raise, for your information - Just So We're Clear - The Tech Manager of Steemit Is Anti Democracy and Pro Oligarchy - in His Own Words.. Also refer to the comments of this post.
I know what you mean, @dpl, about investing in steemit and really believing that we would be able to build it together. I'm still hopeful. Thanks so much for the input and the link to the other story. I will go check it out.
Please let me know if you find resolve. This is really not good!
I will try and keep any info updated here. Thanks again.
Hi @dpl, I got most everything resolved, but my most important post that got nuked of my poetry can not be restored, because it's over 7 days old now... Still gotta figure out what to do on that one... Plus, @blacklist-a follows @steemcleaners and downvotes everything and it seems no one can fix that. That's still a problem for the community. I say nuking that account will help some, but the bigger issue of the downvote itself and how it's handled needs to be fine-tuned in a way that doesn't alienate undeserving newbies in particular.
One thing I did get better is just how much junk there is posted on here, which has caused a lot of issues on steem in and of itself too. That is the main driving force behind their efforts... and a lot of ambiguity in the FAQs which needs to be better clarified. Lots to still digest... Thanks so much for your support and concern.
Have a great weekend.
Hi @positivesynergy
It is good news! I can also understand their frustration to a point but it could have been resolved in much better way.
Just hate how far you needed to take the matter to get their attention. Stuff like this does damage and can easily be avoided!
I'll keep on trying to make a positive impact like yourself.
Enjoy your weekend also
Thanks, @dpl! I would phrase it more some very limited good news amidst some very bad news, which kept me up most of the nights this week.
Absolutely, "they could have done it much better", like you said, @dpl. It is a mess that simply is the way it is (i.e. will not change), as @guiltyparties more or less put it in our chat. There was so much I learned in that chat, it took almost no sleep the entire night to digest, and it is so much I'm considering doing a part 2 of this post to fill everyone in on just how serious these issues really are and the really stupid time wasting things that one must do to get around it.
"I would ask you (or whatever humans there are behind @steemcleaners) to consider just how much more harm you do to the overall steemit community, treating so many people so extremely prejudicial and STEALING THEIR MONEY. "
Thats a right question to ask.
Thank you for reiterating that question of mine, @crypto.piotr. I really appreciate the comment.
Amazing thing about blockchain is that it's decentrilized and that's why many of us seem to see it as our future.
But currently it seem to me that building social media platform on blockchain isnt such a great idea after all.
Giving power to people is not the best solution. As much as I didnt like facebook bots because sometimes innoccent people would get abused by them.
Unfortunatelly I dont like what I see on steemit as well. Instead of bots we are dealing with planty of "whales" that decided to play "police". And how do they do it? Instead of contacting author or giving him warning - they will start from DESTROYING rewards.
Mentioned @steemcleaners is an excelent example. What he did was wrong on so many levels.
Not only author of the post has been punished but also curators are begin punished too. Our votes (that have little value) are being worth nothing here.
The truth is that I myself decided not to use pretty much any video or picture in my posts. Because seeing unprofessionals in action can easily put you off.
It's just a matter of time before @steemcleaners will end up in court. At the end of the day they are burning authors and curators rewards and they are playing with fire.
Good points raised, @crypto.piotr. Although, I think it is less about "building social media platform on blockchain isnt such a great idea" as much as really "Giving [more] power to [a few] people is not the best solution". That's called an Authoritarian Dictatorship. Also, it would appear that steem is anything but decentralized, given what is being allowed to take place here is so unencumbered still.
Authoritarian Dictatorship ? Ive never heard this expression. But it does make sense.
Unfortunatelly steemit seem to be very unbalanced. I hope it will all change a bit once there will be more new members and value of STEEM will increase at least 100-200%
Yeah, I don't know. That's been the hope from the start. What I'm seeing is, while a lot of people joined last month, many people are leaving and/or just no longer participating here. I am one strongly considering the same too now; or at least need a bit of a break in hopes that @ned will wake up and get the mess straight. I saw yesterday some whales (berniesanders and the gang) singling out the majority of the steem witnesses (BIG WHALES) for not doing anything anymore here, other than taking a lot of the money pool. I still hardly even understand what the heck they are or do. A few of them I've seen very active doing a lot of good, but most of the rest I have never seen. In fact the article went through them in detail of what they contribute and many haven't even been logged onto steem for like months. It's sort of like a house of mirrors... LOL
Anyway, have an awesome SUNday :)
dont give up on steemit mate.
just limit it a little bit and stick around .
ps. who is @ned?
Thanks, @crypto.piotr! Yeah, I'm just still a bit bent out of shape on the steemcleaners mess. I thought I was having a heart-attack from it all and that april-fools joke yesterday. I'm getting too old for this shit.
Since it seems steemcleaners will not remove the links to my posts from his blacklist, that he nuked last Monday and I fully complied with the next day or two, and is allowed to still nuke my account here like this, I've decided to power down and try to take a break to detox a bit from steemit. Maybe that too was his April-fools joke and he will change his mind - who knows, given anyone can go and see my links there, as I write this.
Today makes day 22 of being active here and I think I've hit my limit for the time being. Given what I learned yesterday that it takes 2 years to fully power down to get all my invested money back on steemit, I guess I'll be tied here to some degree anyway for a while. Just that 2 year delay is too much to swallow alone.
@ned is the CEO of Steemit Inc. and basically a co-creator of steem, as I understand it. I just found a post where @dan, the other creator, as I understand, who also created bitshares, is getting close to rolling out Steem II https://steemit.com/steemit/@spiritualmax/steem-ii-announced-what-s-the-name-what-s-the-intent-what-s-the-difference That's something to keep our eye on.
2 years? isnt 13 weeks to power down completly?
is there any other way you could change your Steem power to steem dollar and transfer it to someone (in return for cash?)
I searched and searched and couldn't find any other way, unless maybe if I were to just sell someone the account, but who would even buy an account annihilated like this by @adm? I did later find in the FAQs that it was changed to 13 weeks, but actually in the process I learned that YOU CAN NEVER FULLY POWER DOWN, as you are always required to leave 5 steem in. Plus, the only way to add additional earned SP during that period is to cancel the process and restart it from scratch. So at least from my perspective it seems you can easily invest into steemit, but you are never able to fully get all your funds back and I don't recall ever seeing any sort of legal disclaimer of that fact when powering up.
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Aaaaand you totally missed the small print at the end of the post saying it was an april fools joke. And the tag "april-joke". and me joking in the comments that it's a joke.
(Editing your comment instead of just openly accepting you missed the joke is super rude :P)
Hi suesa
Let me accept your appology on behalf of my friend @positiveenergy.
He had a hard few days lately and I guess he didnt enjoy your joke :)
Cheers, Piotr
Just noticed that this comment of yours makes it clear that you did know it's a joke, before commenting on my post. So disregard the other comment ^^
Although I don't really feel the need to apologize, I did what I could to make it obvious it's a joke.
Actually the truth is that once I started reading your post somehow I really believed in your words and I forgot that it's all just a joke.
take care buddy :)
Hi suesa,
He knew it because your comment said it was a joke. I went back after I saw your comment saying it was an april-fools joke and saw something scratched on the bottom of your post, which I guess is what you said gave it away, but to be honest it's way too small to read and make out for my eyes.
I have also had this happen to me, however I use a posting facility to y own website www.bitcoin-bug.com
Hi @bitcoin-bug, I'm not sure I follow what you wish to say here. Could you explain better? Thanks
He means he copies an article from a site like coindesk.com and posts it to his blog. Then uses steempress to automate posting it to steemit. He goes so far as to replace the coindesk links with his website link.
A frequent scam is to create a site - xyz.com, steal content and post it as if they were the author on xyz.com, and then put the source on their post - xyz.com hoping the community will think they wrote it.
Thanks, @patrice :) If that's the case, not very good at all :( I can't really see how that would trick anything or why really, given the bot crawlers should know it was first on coindesk.com. You gotta wonder, if that is the case, why he would even write it here... Life never ceases to amaze me though...
It really does give a little perspective as to what sort of experiences drive @steemcleaners from their point of view, which helps to balance some of the pent up emotions I have vented some here in this post. I'm a reasonably practical guy and I still think we absolutely need to setup some clear cut rules and practical guidelines for posting, especially on the pics, which is mainly where I got nuked. Thanks again for the insight.
The #photography is sorely abused.
There is a lot of frustrating things for both members of @steemcleaners and new users. Being a decentralized platform there are no real "community guidelines" that are up to date. While the FAQ isn't completely useless overall there are parts of it that don't make it clear that the FAQ isn't really a full set of rules for the community - because there really are none.
The community has to find ways of moderating itself without creating a ton of spam. Which isn't easy. I had a bot in the works to comment the first time someone used the #photography,
#steemit, #steem, #introduceyourself, and others informing them of their use. Unfortunately that potentially would just create more blockchain spam as these comments are largely ignored.
It was unfortunate that you had a bad experience with @steemcleaners.
Thanks for your understanding, @patrice :) I had a good chat with @guiltyparties and between that info and what you shared above helps a little to see things a bit more balanced, albeit **my most important post that got nuked of my poetry can not be restored, because it's over 7 days old now... Still gotta figure out what to do on that one... Plus, @blacklist-a follows @steemcleaners and downvotes everything and he said no one can fix that. Maybe remove the account all together... Although, that would only be treating the symptoms and not the main issue of the downvote itself... This is a major flaw in the entire steem platform or steemit or whatever, that if isn't changed I do not see a lot of hope for steemit in the future.
This whole experience has shown me a lot of bugs and areas which could really improve here, but doesn't seem to be any intention to do so, while at the same time, just how much junk you guys have to go through to help improve steemit for everyone.
Maybe, make the main goal of steemit more prevalent too. I mean if the FAQs say we can post basically anything that is legal, to each person in each part of the world "legal" may entail very different things too. The problem also is that it is NOT decentralized if it is owned by a corporate body and so much extreme power is given to so few.
Some things need to be made clearer in FAQs and other places... Still more to digest on it all, as I learn my way through this obstacle course...
Have a nice weekend :)
Come talk to me on either steem.chat https://steem.chat/channel/steemitabuse-appeals and we'll fix this in a way we can ensure it doesn't happen again through mutual understanding. I've taken the flags off the two posts about to payout in order to let your account recover.
Thanks for your help. There are still 3 other posts with the same issues.
The Pic in question and text with it have been REMOVED on these two for several days now:
Remembering Who We Really Are - Part 2
ANCIENT ADVICE for MODERN TIMES #8
Source credited, because the link used is like family, even though it wasn't my source...:
ANCIENT ADVICE for MODERN TIMES #10
Then there's the issue that @blacklist-a follows @steemcleaners and downvoted everything on the 5 posts too.
@pjau says I am verified with @steemcleaners, but if it will help, when can we speak? I see you are in Canada, which puts me 6-9 hours ahead of you. My intention here isn't just for me, though, as I see this as a major issue for the entire community, which needs a lot more clarity and decentralization.
As I wrote above and I see now @crypto.piotr just quoted me as well,
That question burns even more now for me today, after seeing the 2 you corrected and another I removed the pic from days ago now, still get published in the last @steemcleaners blacklist. If you don't mind, @guiltyparties, could you please address this question here in order for the community to be a part of the discussion?
I'm on the steem.chat (for the first time and a bit lost) in the steemitabuse-appeals channel. Does it have voice? That would be much easier and quicker I think.
Could you please remove the 5 links to 5 of my posts on your publicized blacklist post Steemcleaner Report for March 26, 2018 accusing me of "Photo/Image Plagiarism", which you know have been resolved?
I spent 3 hours of my time helping you on Easter wasting my family time. I and the rest of my colleagues do not respond to threats.
You just did respond, but I had no intention of making any sort of threat. I apologize, if it came across that way. This whole mess just has me all turned up-side-down.
You have your facts all mixed up, though, @guiltyparties. I have the text with the timestamp. It wasn't Easter at all, less than half that time and most of it was wasted on your insisting on telling me how to do tags, which had nothing to do with the issue.
It was Friday when we had our text conversation not today, Easter. It started from 12:44 PM EST. Because you hadn't read this post or any of my replies to any of the 6 posts and didn't want to speak by voice, I had to text to you the whole story all over again, which took some time. Then you spent time complaining about other issues you have had with other cases during the week, to explain why you let me fall through the cracks.
At 13:08 you asked for 10 minutes to do something else and then left me hanging for 16 minutes. You just kept insisting on the tags every time I would try to get back on point. The main issue of mine was on the one of the posts that you couldn't any longer fix, because you never ever followed up in time. I said I would have to repost it and you told me if I did, I may have this happen again for plagiarizing myself. Imagine how that burned in my gut. I then asked about how to best proceed going forward with photos I own the copyright to.
You said the best way to stop so many members from reporting to steemcleaners when I use my own pics normally, is to find another site, (ANY SITE) where a picture which I have full legal rights to happens to be on (even if it is stolen from me) and place a link to that site as source. This was essentially encouraging the exact thing that @steemcleaners was supposedly intended to stop. Now think about that for a minute. This is about as insane as it gets. Don't you think; or do you still not see that?
Then after 2 fairly sleepless nights with all this going over and over in my mind, when I found that you completely forgot to remove my links from your blacklist post, that you posted AFTER I created this original post above, it got me burning in anger. So I reacted with that comment above to seriously CONSIDER taking legal action for Defamation of Character, given that's exactly what it is doing.
The conversation ended at 14:16 or 1 hour and 32 minutes from when we started and 16 of those you were doing something else. For the record, those are the facts.
You may feel like you have wasted an hour and a half on me, but I have lost a week of my time every day attempting to get it all resolved and STILL DO NOT FEEL IT RESOLVED, if your blacklist post still has 5 of my links.
One and a half hours during Easter is still too long. Look, at the end of the day you need to learn about the platform you're using. I've done what I could for you. What we're talking about is monetizing stock images. There is no defamation of any character here -- this is a platform based on the concept of decentralization and the principles of anarchism. It is not Twitter or Facebook where everyone is entitled to everything. The list post is automated. I'd like to think that I didn't waste my time but you're proving it otherwise. I'm not responding any more to this. There are people here who need actual help outside of complaining to be allowed to monetize stockphotos they supposedly purchased once upon a time.
I apologize, @guiltyparties, for loosing my cool and overreacting on all of this. I never intended to make any sort of threat. Now that your folks have downvoted me from 46 down to 4, I give up.
I have absolutely no idea at this point what to do. You guys have won. I raise the white flag, give up, start the power down process and give up.
This is very saddening. Im sorry to see what had happend here.
Im also very curious. Lets assume that in the future steemit would attract businesses. Is it really that easy to completly ruin anybody's account? I mean: is all you need to have huge amount of SP to completly crash competition down?
That would make me believe that huge networks/corporations will be able to control this platform (since they can afford to invest solid resources).
I wish to know what can be done except of really powering down and saying good-bye to this place.
I've read your comments before and I think you pushed it little bit to much. At the end of the day you never know who is sitting on the other site and you were kind of playing with fire. Eh :(
Can you believe that after @adm nuked me from 46 to 4 for a comment, the system no longer allows me to even upload a post (or at least a pic into a post, since I haven't gotten that far to try w/o a pic)? @adm doesn't reply and @steemcleaners says nobody knows who @adm is. It is absolutely amazing to see just how centralized the power is here, when so many believe it to be decentralized.
Come on. Give me a break. The only one dragging this on is you. I fully complied with your demands and you still will not remove my links on your blacklist. So just remove the links to my posts like I thought you agreed to do on Friday.
You're not on the blacklist.
5 links still on https://steemit.com/steemcleaners/@steemcleaners/steemcleaner-report-for-march-26-2018 as I write this stating "Photo/Image Plagiarism".
Downvoted for threatening.
I apologize, @steemcleaners, @guiltyparties, @adm et al, if my comments appeared to make any sort of threat. That was never the intention. This whole 3rd active week on steemit has been a week of hell for me. I admit I lost it and overreacted to thinking we had resolved everything on Friday with @quiltyparties only to find my 5 posts on your blacklist on https://steemit.com/steemcleaners/@steemcleaners/steemcleaner-report-for-march-26-2018 stating "Photo/Image Plagiarism". So could you please restore my reputation back to 46 from 4, which you downvoted it to? Please tell me if there is anything else you require to remove those links from your blacklist. Thank you
I have absolutely no idea at this point what to do. @adm, your mega downvote from 46 to 4 yesterday removed all ability to even upload posts to regain my reputation. So there doesn't seem you've even left me any option other than to leave steemit. It makes my steemit experience going into my 4th week here more like a nightmare.
The score next to your name is a reputation score. Making a couple comments with threats resulted in your reputation score being lowered from downvotes. Threats are not a socially productive way to get what you want.
You should be able to post, I think its just the image uploader that doesn't work for reputation scores below 10. Use offsite image hosting until your reputation score improves.
I apologize, if it came across as a threat. That wasn't intended, as it did say I would have no other choice than to CONSIDER... I was emotionally distraught. If you would take some time and read through what I've been through here the last 9 days now for something I was never even guilty of.
I don't see how a more than million dollar downvote on a comment that pushes someone's reputation down a whole 42 points is any more socially productive or even why so severe, especially when I apologized. You have killed everything I worked for over 3 weeks through 405 posts and wiped out twice as much by your downvote on just a few comments. I'm sorry! Come on. Give me a break.
This is a legal threat, which you edited from your comment and didn't acknowledge the edit in this apology.
Original comment from @positivesynergy:
I was just listening to @Ned in an interview and to quote Ned, the CEO of Steemit Inc. on the question of "downvoting" he said,
And Ned went on to say,
It's at 41:00 on this video:
So my question is are you human enough to see what Ned himself said in this interview, of just how heavy handed your down vote was on my comments that sent me down from 46 to 4 and willing to remove the flag and restore my rep, @adm, especially given I apologized here publicly?
Earlier in the interview I learned that a downvoted low reputation DOES in fact effect my ability to regain my reputation on steemit. The last post I did after this one proved that out that I now have to get 5 times the upvotes to gain the same upward gains in reputation as before.
Добрый день @adm Steemit !!! Помогите мне пожалуйста вернуть мои SBD, которые я отправил в @booster для голосования. Прошло уже три дня, но я не получил ни голоса, ни возмещения моих SBD, @booster никак не реагирует на мои просьбы о возмещении. Пожалуйста помогите вернуть SBD. Many thanks!
https://steemit.com/frontrunner-guild/@booster/earn-curation-rewards-like-a-pro-join-frontrunner#@cryptonewslife/re-booster-earn-curation-rewards-like-a-pro-join-frontrunner-20180408t132019776z
https://steemit.com/frontrunner-guild/@booster/earn-curation-rewards-like-a-pro-join-frontrunner#@cryptonewslife/re-booster-earn-curation-rewards-like-a-pro-join-frontrunner-20180409t200949129z
Here is a reply I just received from @pjau under my Gratitude post:
Yeah, that is where 3 of my posts were added after being supposedly "verified" and having 2 of them "un-voted" by @steemcleaners, which apparently @guiltyparties pulled the strings on. It seems every day I'm learning something new here and unfortunately, this my third week active on steemit, the age old adage of "The Devil is in the Details" seems to take the cake.
"FAQ is USELESS" in his mind is what is so worrisome.
yeah, this post shows arrogance and I read it as a statement "we are above the law here".
I think you raise a very good point here, @crypto.piotr.
Hi, @positivesynergy . I do not know how to solve this problem. I saw Steemit a lot of dead accounts - the result of the activities of these aggressive bots. I wrote comments to these bots, but I did not get a response. I no longer publish posts, so that my users who support me, these bots did not take away the fees of these users for supervising. These users are not guilty, but they are also punished - bots take money from these users for supervision. This is a terrible situation.
Hi, @maxdani,
Yeah, logic and reason seem to be clouded by so many accounts actually abusing the system; and because they are so overwhelmed by the sheer volume, instead of organizing a decent and fair system with good public relations to clean it up, they seem to be flying by the seat of their pants, making in many cases the problem worse, at least as I see it in this moment.
Just ask @anyx or ask in https://steem.chat/channel/steemitabuse-appeals
I'm not sure who @anyx is, as there are so many in charge here, and have been to the appeals.