Just So We're Clear - The Tech Manager of Steemit Is Anti Democracy and Pro Oligarchy - in His Own Words.

in steemit •  8 months ago

Given that I am currently doing what I can to investigate the details of whether the 'conspiracy theories' regarding potentially deliberate manipulation is taking place within Steemit to centralise power and throw a spanner in the works of the intended decentralised design of Steemit put in place by @dan - the following quote from @Sneak could not have come at a more timely moment...

It was a few weeks ago that Sneak downvoted a popular post I made that exposed Bill Gates because the post offered an alternative narrative on vaccine science to the one being peddled by the corrupt agencies of government science. He stated then that he would downvote every post that contradicted the mainstream in such a way. This caused an understandable backlash in the community for a while as there are many here who think of Steemit and Steem as a free speech friendly and transparent system made by people with integrity.

I have held off from making a full post on this subject, partially because I am so busy and partially because it requires a lot of work to get all the details in place. However, I feel it is important to relay to the community this latest amazing quote from Sneak taken from under this post:

Democracy is overrated. If we didn’t have a deep state making sure certain important things were done correctly, democracy would have ruined a lot of things by now.

sneak democracy

Now, for those paying attention, I have written many times about the Ivy League historian Carroll Quigley and how he exposed decades ago that the main democracies have always been entirely fake, by design, to ensure oligarchy is kept in place - while the masses remain little more than naive slaves. Given this fact, we are really in no position to be able to assess whether representational democracy is a workable approach. Furthermore, DIRECT democracy (where every human gets a vote instead of using MPs / Senators etc.) is the only valid form of democracy that truly represents the voices of the people and we surely have no experience of that either.

I will certainly agree that since democracy is basically the agreement that 'someone' can tell you what to do - democracy is fatally flawed. However, my reason for saying the democracy is flawed is because it cannot respect free will and it always results in some being trampled over by the crowd. The problem with Sneak's position is that he appears to be saying that the problem with democracy is not that people get overpowered, but that the problem is the total opposite and that democracy gives people TOO MUCH of a voice! His solution then is that the 'deep state' of shadowy military contractors and 'thinktanks' must swallow up vast amounts of resources to attempt to mind control and manipulate people from behind the scenes to make up for the 'free thinking' that apparently he detests so much..

If you are unsure what 'Deep State' means, here is a post on a CIA whistleblower who gives specifics.

Is this guy REALLY running important aspects of Steemit.com ? It surely answers a few questions about the problems we have been having!

This is a platform based on VOTING - as with DEMOCRACY.. Here we have the tech manager of Steemit literally telling you out in the open that he thinks that shadowy manipulation of voting and free markets/trade/information sharing is REQUIRED and a thoroughly good thing! #popcorn

Here's the talk from CIA whistleblower Kevin Shipp:

Wishing you well,

Ura Soul

Vote @ura-soul for Steem Witness!


vote ura-soul for witness

View My Witness Application Here



ureka.org

Check out my social network too!

Authors get paid when people like you upvote their post.
If you enjoyed what you read here, create your account today and start earning FREE STEEM!
Sort Order:  

Wow! Thats hard to believe that someone of his intelligence would succumb to the lie of the Elite. Oh, I am very familiar with the lie too. I used to work for the Freemen Institute a few decades ago (yes I'm a dinosaur, but a lively one!) and we were dedicated to exposing the criminal acts of the CFR, FED, Tri Lats, international bankers, etc.

One of my most memorable experiences was of then US Congressman Dick Cheney, who had read a book we published entitled "The Naked Capitalist" (not a condemnation of capitalism but an exposure of the evil use of capitalism by the few). Anyway Cheney told me to my face that what was in the book was the absolute truth. Months later he became a traitor to the cause of freedom and joined the CFR. I suppose the reasoning they used in recruiting Cheney is the same line @sneak has adopted, i.e., the peasants are too stupid to govern themselves and must be led and dominated. In fact they want it that way.

Actually with all lies there is some truth mixed in. But domination is not the answer. The answer, at least in part, can be found here in Steemit where we are engaging and developing a new paradigm that I like to call "cooperative abundance". This is where we lift, sustain, encourage, and develop individuals and in so doing strengthen the community. What a dream! Can we do it? I believe it is imperative that we try. I believe in the vision of blockchain and it's potential. So if @sneak is one of the creeps Quigley speaks of then damn his eyes! (I guess that's blunt enough).

The Freemen Institute was one of the first to promote Quigleys book by the way. Pure Democracy is a trap too, one in which the masses are usually manipulated by the elite few (The EU comes to mind). As a relative newbie I saw the thing about blocking the anti-vaxers and was stunned but let it go since I was so unfamiliar with the platform. But if that really was done, then, Damn his eyes once more. So you definitely have my attention and I'll make little minnow, whoops, red-fish waves, where I can as I follow your lead, if I may.

I appreciate the fact that you may be sticking your neck out quite far, and hope you discover a penitent @sneak and no attempt to further squelch freedom of this sort here in Steemit. Many blessings. Here, I'll give you my .07 cent incentive. Go get 'em!

I have adopted Steemit as my home... a place where yet unexplored visions and dreams can become reality. I want to be part of that. I see way beyond the mundane reality of posts, and comments and upvotes into a galaxy of potential that may help transform humanity into something that no longer needs or wants the domination of the few.

·

Excellent comment, @mistermercury. You hit on some really great points I agree with. You get my follow and upvote. I just posted my own story of what I have had to put up with here on steemit at Steemit's Malicious @steemcleaners downvote ATTACKS. I would really appreciate if you might give it a read and add any input you may have.

·

You are assuming @sneak is someone "of his intelligence" when he has mostly shown himself to be an immature, unremarkable and emotionally driven petulant little child mostly. If he was intelligent, his requirement to make this website work might be happening. The milestones from 2016, 2017 and 2018 might be getting accomplished. The steemit.com ux/ui might work at least as well as a copy of postnuke from 2005 or so, and he might not dress like he just fell out of a matrix satire movie.

Overall, we have CHILDREN with NO EXPERIENCE at the helm of stinc's most important roles, like ceo and tech leads, just for example.

No wonder the smart guy in the band LEFT. I'd quit too if I was surrounded by incompetence.

·
·

Steemit Inc is still in beta bro.
#SMTorDIE

·
·
·

hahahaha, i know you are being flat sarcastic.

I hope

SMTs are a sad joke on the end of a sadder story, so far.

·
·
·
·

Well it was beginning to seem like Lightning Net was somebody's pipe dream until they rolled out the publicly accessable test net. Miracles do happen it seems. 😎

·
·
·
·
·

Once in a blue moon...

·
·
·
·
·
·

You both made me laugh so hard. Thanks

·
·

Yes, there are more than just rumors out that a new and improved version of Steemit will be coming this summer. Interesting development. Will be fascinating to observe human behavior when it goes online, mine included. I hope you are wrong, though, about some of the less than stellar management you indicate may have executive roles. Many blessings.

·
·
·

Nevermind steemit, steem will continue for some time with or without them, but there is a new block chain coming created by the same man who invented steem and bitshares, who has left steemit incorporated to go build a better system. It launches in June, but there may not be any social network sites available right away. They will come soon enough though, it's quite a robust system.
It's called EOS, and you can learn more at http://eos.io

·
·
·
·

Yes, in many ways I rather dread the new systems launch. I'm hesitant to embrace it. I mean it will be like having two girlfriends... always a very challenging and dangerous enterprise! But, life will go on. Won't it?

·
·
·
·
·

myspace into facebook into steemit into ?

let's hope it's profitable, and enjoyable, not necessarily in that order.

·

Thanks for your comment! Followed! The Freemen movement, as often misguided as I think it is (at least in britain where it often calls on the magna carta, which itself is not exactly fair and balanced) are at least aiming to create a better world.

I already know that every problem can be resolved simply through unbiased and open minded exploration and willingness to increase understanding. I certainly wish that to occur here.

·
·

Yes, I try to remember at all times to "Seek first to understand." This seems to be a good way to approach things. I forget sometimes and get on a very unstable band wagon. I try and remember to apply this to myself too: I try and be mindful of the genesis of my own beliefs and at times, delusions. Ah, this being human can be a challenging thing. The Freemen Institute was closely tied to the Mormon church, of which I was once a devout member. The Institute ran into financial problems but is still out there under a different name. I did learn a great deal from my time with them that I still use however. Blessings.

·
·
·

Oh I see, OK - I don't know much about freemen in America - only the 'freeman on the land' movement in Britain, which might be quite different.

One of the most valuable awarenesses is that of recognising how our emotional self is gapped away from our thinking self - meaning that in one moment we recognise the need to increase understanding and in another moment we return to our pre-conditioning of 'fight/survive/retaliate' etc. - instead of bringing the two realities together in the heart. <3
Having the intent to heal, balance and evolve is the powerful anchor that helps us to learn more, day by day, how to proceed with continual respect, grace and success :)

·
·
·
·

Indeed, your last sentence sums it up, to "heal, balance and evolve...". This paradigm is one we must embrace and nurture in our world.

·
·

Here you mention Indonesia!**are you from indonesia? **
a bit of my view of the thugs in Indonesia the freeman.In **Indonesia **the honor charter is held by the corrupt rulers who live the luxury of the results of the people's money politics over the suffering of the people, they often manipulate. unfortunately the law for this corrupt ruler can be obsolete by them freely doing corruption crime kill generation.

·
·
·

The freeman concept began in Britain hundreds of years ago - thanks for letting us know about Indonesia, but we weren't specifically talking about Indonesia.

·
·
·
·

I apologize my friend, for my is translite

·

Nobody is blocked, I should know, I probably debated more vaccine sympathizers and trolls than anyone here and walked away each time with no unaddressed points. If the retard that @sneak is wanted to downvote the topic that conveniently affects the "peasantry" the most, followed right after by chemtrails, gmo's and flouride, which in the past he's "voiced" similar imbecilic opinions (like the retard that he is) by downvoting more power to him and those that receive his ultra-magical-spell-of-hidden-by-a-reveal-button lvl 10 be happy, nothing is quite as special (in a counterproductive retarded kind of way) as mystifying content. 33 degrees motherfuckers.

·
·

@baah, appreciate your insight. But I can't resist asking: what is your dogs name? Humbug!?

·
·
·

What did you appreciate specifically and then I'll tell you what my dog's name is?

·
·
·
·

I appreciate that you stand up to vaxxers and fascists but I always get frustrated that you don't seem to get that flagging really is censorship. It is also being banned from earning any money if you don't tow the party line.

And you do only have $115 in your wallet...

·
·
·
·
·

What you eat I don't shit, so don't be frustrated by my "not getting it". I understand what both Suppression and Censorship is, and to claim that by Mystifying content and making it Special, Unique and Stand Outish compared to all other content, is censorship and suppressive, you've invalidated ANY kind of "suppression" or censorship. Furthermore, I have seen numerous times, recently with the copyright, where people have flagged my comments, only for others to upvote them, and this happened not once, not twice but for almost all the hidden comments. So, if you want to contort Banned and Censorship to mean Delightfully Mistified and Inescapably Intriguing Reveal Button that's fine with me, people think that Steemit Inc is all there is, I certainly use it, but then again I appreciate that under the gloss that steemit is, there's a raw efficient machine that can go faster, can be more resilient and can do it all for less, but the human factor is what it isn't capable of solving and I have no delusion that it will ever solve it.

·
·
·
·
·
·

Jesus you can be a cryptic prick.

Did you just call me a total dickhead in your last post?

·
·
·
·
·
·
·

Why do you give a fuck? What I eat you don't shit. Furthermore so what if I called you a total dickhead, does that automatically mean its true or that I'd hope to offend your highness the memeslayer, or that I thought it funne to remark on that, thinking you could take a fuck.

·

Another huge problem with Steemit is that work produced by a female can be destroyed to due to an abusive Steemit Troll's comments. You cannot block destructive troll comments.
https://steemit.com/robert/@queentut/queen-tut-is-carla-howell

Hi @ura-soul ! Thank you for having the guts to share this. You get my follow and upvote. I just posted my own story of what I have had to put up with here on steemit which relates to this post at Steemit's Malicious @steemcleaners downvote ATTACKS. I would really appreciate if you might take a few minutes to read it and add any input you may have. I value your opinion.

·

You are welcome! I have seen steemcleaners abuse their position before and never apologise for anything. Steem cleaners is not any kind of official bot or service from steemit inc. - it is just an account run by people in the community from their own initiative. I have forwarded your post to a witness group for their notification.
To my knowledge, 'cheetah' can be prevented from being triggered by pasting a URL to the source page for whatever you copy/paste into steemit. Stopping steem cleaners is a bit more tricky though.

That's one of the purpose of steemit- a free speech and freedom of information transparency. So to be clear this community is all about transparency to enlighten people here in steemit and to have a better community.

In a sense Sneak has a point but only if related to the "Democracy" we currently have.
Representative Democracy only allows to choose which Tyrant we consider less evil, and which lobbyists and deep state assets we consider less corrupt. As you point out though, it is a system which has nothing to do with real Democracy which originally meant power of the people in Ancient Greece and which was indeed Direct Democracy.
Direct Democracy (as in participatory democracy) would be a big step forward. For starters I'm sure with Direct Democracy we would have no wars.
51% is not a wide enough consensus for any respectable decision, but it still better than having decisions made only by the 0.1% as it is now.
Direct Participatory Democracy with a 90% quota is what I consider the best possible system and the closest thing to Anarchy (which is full consensus). Those who feel they can't fit in Direct Democracy should be allowed to "fork" into another system. That's why I don't believe in a 1 World Government....there needs to be always alternative nations to experiment new things or for people to move to in case a system goes wrong.

·

My main point about the quote is that the 'Deep State' is absolutely a tool of the 0.1% in every possible way!

·

Wow, it would be good to talk about this topic about democracy. I wrote 2 posts about it.

There are some elements of true democracy that could be implemented:

Here's a discussion about it:

https://steemit.com/busy/@metalmag25/politicians-are-liars-or-corrupt-by-nature-true-or-false-is-this-what-democracy-is-about

https://steemit.com/informationwar/@metalmag25/politicians-are-liars-or-corrupt-by-nature-true-or-false-part-ii-let-s-talk-about-true-democracy

Today I searched for this post because I wanted to use it as a reference, I searched through profiles of accounts which I follow, and also in a profile of an account which I do not follow.
I do not mention names, because it was none of them after all.
Now I somehow found it, after googling (steemit is a NWO organization which has connections to FB, GOOGL and AMZN as I learned today, these were not my searches keywords, I write it because steemit uses Google as its default search engine) for it and then duckduckgoing for it, and after both searches failed, the duckduckgo search yielded a result in which you complained in its comments section about why sneak downvoted your thread about vaccinations, and this reminded me to also check your profile for it, and this time I found it.
Then I clicked the FOLLOW button, edited my own thread and posted the link as a reference.

·

Thanks for the info. I often find google search is ineffective at correctly returning posts from steemit, I'm not sure why but I'll put more attention on the issue in future.

·
·

Are sneak and roadscape the same person?
I noticed roadscape upvoted sneak big time at least once, delegates a big chunk of his SP to him, and being the person behind steemd.com is a good enough reason to be appointed to CTO of steemit.
Thinking about this, both are garbage as services, but steemd.com is near perfect as a software, whereas steemit.com is garbage as a software as well.
So they may be distinct people after all.
Most users here have more than 1 account.
I am willing to bet that the average is above 2 accounts per person.

·
·
·

I have no idea on that, although it is relevant to point out that Sneak states that he is not the CTO of Steemit Inc. - rather he is the technical manager.

·
·
·
·

You got a 100.00% upvote from @greengrowth thanks to @stimialiti! You too can use @GreenGrowth by sending your post URL in the memo field to the bot. Minimum bid is 0.01.

If you feel this post is spammy or not worthy of @Greengrowth you can contact a moderator in our Discord Channel https://discord.gg/6DhnVTQ.

·
·
·

You got upvoted from @adriatik bot! Thank you to you for using our service. We really hope this will hope to promote your quality content!

·
·
·

You got a 20.00% upvote from @sleeplesswhale courtesy of @stimialiti!

·

This comment has received a 52.91 % upvote from @steemdiffuser thanks to: @stimialiti. Steem on my friend!

Above average bids may get additional upvotes from our trail members!

Get Upvotes, Join Our Trail, or Delegate Some SP

Excellent post! I have only recently viewed some of your posts on this topic. The individual in question is an authoritarian, and has downvoted many many posts on these and many other topics. Basically anything that goes against mainstream, as you say. I know people may think I'm crazy, but I think you may be right about a 'conspiracy', or at least a few in key positions trying to steer steemit into a different direction than it was intended. I am of the belief that the recent Facebook drama in not a coincidence and not an organic uprising as it's being played out in the media. It's a very old story.....Are these revelations aimed at promoting a 'new' platform after the controversy subsides, while trying to derail steemit? Or is there a plan to take over the platform from mainstream players and investors? Something just doesn't add up about the Facebook story to me!

·

I don't have enough puzzle pieces to comment about the big picture between corporations in a useful way here, but it is always true that even a single individual can make decisions that greatly influence systems in ways that need to be researched to be understood.

I have long said that Steemit could be controlled (as can any cryptocurrency) by those with the most fiat currency simply by them 'investing' in it or infiltrating the central team. Many have said that this has occurred with Bitcoin 'Core' - the challenge is that outsiders don't have much of a way to know the full details without a lot of research work being performed or maybe due to whistleblowing. Whistleblowers absolutely deserve more respect!

·
·

Yeah, there is definitely no way of knowing for sure, without solid evidence. On the issue of flagging, I created a simple opinion poll using Steefun, where people could express a simple opinion on the practice. I'm not sure if you think it's a worthwhile endeavour to try and get a community feel about what users think about It? Since I don't have much influence on here, maybe you can advise me if it's worthy of pursuing this type of thing, or is it just a waste of time? If you would like to have a look at it, let me know and I can post a link...Thanks for the reply

·
·
·

I have never heard of steefun - sure, post the link :)

·
·
·
·

Just for clarification since I didn't see anyone else say this explicitly, the U.S. is not a democracy, even though at least one recent U.S. president has called it such. It is a constitutional republic, which attempts via the constitution and bill of rights, to ensure that the individual has inalienable rights that can't be trampled by others. Unfortunately these rights are being trampled anyway by the patriot act, etc. I would suggest that the same idea of individual rights needs to be applied to this community so that no individual can downvote, and thus suppress and effectively silence, anyone else's visibility or ability to monetize their content. This is already the unfortunate and undesirable situation on Facebook, YouTube & Twitter. I can tell by your posts that it is here as well, just with a different censoring mechanism. I came here to escape that content censorship. If that doesn't get corrected, there's no reason to be here as a means to escape censorship on these other platforms.

What I've often seen is that things often start out well intentioned (like YouTube) and then get corrupted or co-opted by others with interests to institute their own brand of control. Bought out is generally the way it seems to go. Money is the vehicle. Looks to me to be the same here on Steemit at this time. More Steem = more power to control others. The idea seems to be to let it go free for as long as possible in order to get people hooked. Then gradually start taking away things in a boiling frogs manner. I suggest that the same will inevitably happen here as long as the Steem=power over others dynamic exists. I'd suggest that needs to change much sooner than later or people will see through this and leave - or not join and/or not suggest for others to join.

In fact, I kind of hate to raise this issue, but it is entirely possible that this whole Steemit experiment was set up on purpose to fail in order to have an example to point to and say: see, it was tried and it doesn't work. Forget it, censorship free social media can't be done. Just a possibility to consider - not claiming any evidence in support of this potential.

·

p.s. thank you for your posts, I very much appreciate you making them.

·
·

You are welcome. An open mind considers all possibilities and asks all awkward questions. As long as we don't assume, judge and get stuck on beliefs, it's fine and a wise move. The good thing is that the technology itself is replicable, so whatever the outcome of any particular project - others can thrive later.

·
·
·

That is indeed a very good thing.

·

I think there is a solution and it's easy - get rid of flagging.
But the fact that the no flagging option is not even considered is suspicious.

Hell I just had a comment flagged today because it was more popular than a comment by a whale who flagged my comment and upvoted himself - flagging is all about dominance and censorship...

·
·

I agree. I think there should be a thumbs down, but that should have no effect other than the ability to say you disagree. Flagging should be reserved for trying to point out things that are illegal, and only things that are illegal.

·
·

That is exactly the solution .. Steem is really great, almost indestructable in its structure of protecting freedom of speech.. But the flagging is flawed in how powerfull it is in destroying accounts!
Look at my account! I was sabotaged for using the words islamists and islam ! I was not hating or lieing! The islamists just got together to downvote me! of course, all they could flag they did and I went from REP 35 to 7 !
Flagging could be there as an option to make a notice to everyone on a comment or post being bad in some way, like spammy f.x.
BUT .. it should not destroy reputation! not when reputation is something that is needed for operating your account..
Either, reputation should be inactive in operating your account (making posts, uploading fotos etcetera, buying resteeming services) and only be a reference number for information in that way.
Or: Flagging should not be able to negatively affect reputation score!

or: reputation score should just be eleminated totally, which it could be, it is not an essential part of a Blogging Network!

·
·
·

we can have a flagging system without a reputation system!
making it transparent for everyone if a post or comment is "undesireable" in any way by others and by whom!
but without that person actually being hindered in his further blogging from having recieved f.x. 50 downvotes / flags on his recent post!

Generally, as we can just comment our thoughts and feelings, we can use that to convey anything that we otherwise use the flagging to convey..
For instance just a comment where you write "Flagging this!" or a jpg or gif with a flag or thumbs down !
like this

·
·
·

Yeah - the people flagging you that I saw are just minnows and their downvotes are easily reversed. But often people have bigger connections in the background, so I choose my fights carefully, and do my best to keep out of this flag war bullshit - just ignore them and let it go is my best advice

Steemit should take "anti-trust" action on people like Sneak. If a person has that kind of SP (325,000), they shouldn't have the power to downvote other users. Their downvote power should be limited to a percent of the total voting power of all the votes on a post.

Sneak is from Germany. His views are likely shaped by his political and social environment.

·

Part of the case for being able to downvote so heavily is that once a post goes into minus payout, it is hidden. This is fine if you think that hiding posts is a good thing, but many do not. I personally think there should be an option in the settings for Steemit that allows us to decide individually if we want posts to be hidden or not - that is the fair approach on an 'uncensored' blockchain. Part of the problem here is that of copyright infringement and illegal activity which might cause the site to get shut down if posts are not censored in some way. Allowing the crowd to participate in this is better than having a central authority doing it, but when the crowd includes members of the actual corporate structure who have a lot of power, then we have central authority by proxy.

It's a major challenge to overcome and whoever correctly balances the needs of all parties will produce a system that will absolutely thrive. We aren't there yet.

·

Thanks for the reference. :)

·
·

Sure thing. It just took me a while to think of connecting it here. Cheers.

WOW. Will wonders never cease. And yet, nothing really surprises me.

There are still people that believe Facebook (booking your own faces for the database) is really created by Zuckerberg. Many once thought "Tom" was a real person. LOL.

Only time will tell with Steemit, but that sure sucks to see such bold opposition to freedom coming from one of the most apparently powerful positions on the platform. Like seriously, entire profiles could start being wiped, and who would do anything about it. No one is going to want to step up to that with all of the hard earned financial gains they've made unless they have the backing of the other founders.

How ya gonna promote it as an alternative for the awakening masses to build something better when that hasn't been addressed? I dunno.. Doesn't bode well for the platform. I'll keep on keeping on, but I'd sure like to see that be addressed by the other's higher up. That's cringeworthy to say the least. Thank you for going out on that limb to share this info with us all. Resteemed!

·

You do it through the power of the mystified Reveal Button, which oddly is proven to bring even more exposure than an equal weight upvote in such situations. You promote it organically through discussions centred around facts, people who are interested (the low hanging fruit) will undoubtedly find it, because nothing can be Censored on Steem, it's entire basis is to provide a place for Freedom of Speech, that includes the @sneek retarded opinion, or how he curates. Ultimately the freedom of expression is no (larry flint) about protecting the popular but about protecting what's not popular (in this case the retards opinion).
#Rejoyce-Dont-Lament

·
·

Alas, I am much too familiarized with the lamentation blade. 😜

·
·

I don't know enough about the blockchain itself to be certain he could, or could not do dirty things beyond 'curating with an agenda' to hush people he disagrees with. That would be where my larger concern would be. I get what you are saying, and I don't suggest he does not have the right to curate as he sees fit... but I think he holds a lot of power to act responsibly with his Tech position. If there are efforts to censor free speech about controversial topics that effect everyone, then ya know... like I said it brings into question do the people who created Steemit back that behavior? If they do it'll end up like a paid FB.

I guess it all depends on what @sneak thinks the deep state is, I have read a lot about the deep state and I think, and I'm probably right, that most people have their own personal views about what the deep state actually is. Most think that the deep state is an organization that has a secret agenda that is working against whatever that person thinks is right. I have seen people think the deep state is run by elites, by communists, by right wing nuts, by fascists, by liberals, by extraterrestrials, by demons etc, so I think it is up to what each person thinks, probably in @sneak's vision the deep state is good and is an organization that works for freedom by fighting against the established forms of government. I agree with him that democracy is over rated, I don't agree with him that the deep state is a good thing.

Ugh... we don't need rulers. They are the ones that have kept everything so fucked up for thousands of years.
Resteemed - thanks for the information.

"Oy vey", or what do you say?

"queen" #Elizabeth
#primus #triumviri

Thank you, @ura-soul 🙏, for bringing this to light!
I must needs #contemplate upon the #viability of #steem .

1ove 💞

Welcome to my nightmare, i been calling that for a long time.

'Best crapitalusts in the world.'

Rule by force is the disease, who and how are symptoms.

Agency assets are everywhere, this platform is no exception.

I'm also fairly sure that any type of network traffic could be deemed unlawful by the state, especially blockchain traffic.

Historically, freedom of speech only exists if you don't say too much, usually only in small groups.

I remember that exchange @ura-soul
I did not remember it was with you...

  • I've since gotten to know you a bit better.
    • Wow, at the time I wondered who he was. I had no clue he was tech director of Steemit. Wow!!! Holy crap batman!!!

confused-smiley-120.png

·

To be precise, he says he is not the tech director but a manager who is not employed by Steemit Inc. directly but is a contractor. From my POV it makes no difference as to the structure of his contract, the key thing is the influence wielded.

·
·

Same POV I have on it.

You have nailed it once more. Democracy is imposible to assess for us as we have no experience with it, only with systems the controllers like to sell as "democracy". And look where that has gotten us.

Concluding as he has, that therefore we need clandestine control of society is a narrative nobody I have ever met seriously believes in, not even the most mind-controlled people who believe that "the world would end without a government". Even the most mind-numbed people agree that the system governing them needs to be transparent and not hidden away from public scrutiny.

The response is representative of an agency narrative.

I am starting to wonder whether he has been put in place to keep us occupied with his BS statements and actions, or whether he is simply working for someone else than officially stated... it seems way too blatant to be coming from conviction.

I am so grateful you won't let this go man.
Thank you <3

resteemed.jpg

·

You are welcome! It's certainly an odd situation, it's like a twist in a movie that is both predictable, yet surprising. Remain vigilant!

Thanks for the post @ura-soul

This information will surely be helpful in making decision going forward on this platform. Yes you might be attracting a lot of debate but that's how most learn a great deal more.

Do you really believe that Steem platform is a democracy? Because it isn't. It was never meant to be. In my view, it is a business model to exploit on.

The only team member who had strange dreams of Steem becoming some sort of anarcholiberal platform has left the building a long time ago.

·

We operate using the design laid down according to the original vision and ned has spoken previously along those lines. No-one has officially said that "oh, dan is gone, now we are going to just exploit everyone because there's no idealism involved any more". As stated, I don't consider democracy to be a particularly good model anyway, but the point is that a 'deep state' is even worse and is exactly the type of problem that I am seeing posing a threat to the basic design principles that make Steem unique and that give it a selling point.

Hundreds of years of success prove that democracy is not overrated. Democracy is highly rated to this day, as it will be sometime into the future. Democracy is about empowering all individuals. Democracy is about all individuals combining their power for the benefit of all. It's not democracy versus deep state. It's not about the middle class versus wealthy. The past present and future success for everyone in the world is about bringing together the best of all worlds, including the best libertarian thinking, the best anarchists, the best of the wealthy, the best deep state bureaucrats and politicos, the best of Wall Street and the best of Main Street. It's about the magic that happens when like-minded, alternative thinking and opposition are all empowered and actively engaged together to make the world a better place for everyone. Together we rise.

I strongly agree with you to discuss about (conspiracy), This theory is in around global world movement and penetrated almost to all sphere of human life, from political affairs to food. conspiracy theories are theories that attempt to explain that the highest cause of one or a series of events (in general political, social, or historical events) is a secret, and often deceptive, secretly planned by a very secret group of people or organizations powerful or influential

All human interaction must be free from violence and coercion, and we are free to exercise our rights, limited only by respect for the rights of others. The government relies on strength, and power is a bad substitute for problems.
On freedom is the concept of localization as a way to overcome statisme and reach the free world.
We all want to live peacefully.
We all want fair treatment.
We all want to be prosperous.
We all need freedom.
We all need love.
We all suffer under statism in the political thought of making the country as the center of all power. The State is the axis that drives the entire political elements in of a rational tangle, which are strictly controlled by using the instruments of power, hence the country's community has always oppressed and cannot be free to do (indeed a pity)

Thanks for great articel @ura-soul

·

It is important to note that the definition of power is 'the ability to act' and we all need power.

·
·

I understand that power is the authority which a person or group obtains to exercise such authority in accordance with the authority given, authority shall not be exercised more than the authority acquired or the ability of a person or group to influence the behavior of another person or group in accordance with the wishes of the perpetrator. but what happens in my country is not the case, the rulers play over the suffering of the mass society, the ruler can laugh in the swivel chair while watching the poor and with their position be able to drain the people's money and people's rights. that's what happened in my country friend @aura-soul
thank you for today's lesson, i will be your loyal @aura-soul followers

·
·
·

There is a common perception that power is something that involves affecting the lives of others. In truth, when I move my arm I am using power. 'Power Over' is the problem form of power - where one entity can use power to change the experience of others in ways that the others can do nothing about. This is imbalance and it is imbalance that is the problem.

You might find this post helpful: https://steemit.com/freedom/@ura-soul/why-power-does-not-corrupt-and-why-those-who-enslave-us-would-like-you-to-think-it-does

·
·
·
·

yes i understand you mean @ura-soul thanks for sharing the meaning of freedom, the article in the link abda is great, I just realized that you witnes. once again thank you I will make you as my witnes @ura-soul

I see his point. If you're gonna have a state, you need people to run it.
It can be a huge group of stupid people or a smaller group of cunning people.
Democracy is just another flavour of tyranny.

·

The deep state specifically refers to spies, manipulators, mind controllers and is basically formed up on the judgement that 'we know best' so we're going to do your thinking for you. I don't see much evidence that the 'deep state' are not 'the stupid people'.

·
·

You and sneak may be running under different definitions of the deep state perhaps?
I always imagined it as the army of unelected suits who write the rules for the politicians to rubber-stamp.

·
·
·

Congratulations @ura-soul, this post is the fifth most rewarded post (based on pending payouts) in the last 12 hours written by a Superuser account holder (accounts that hold between 1 and 10 Mega Vests). The total number of posts by Superuser account holders during this period was 1087 and the total pending payments to posts in this category was $6191.73. To see the full list of highest paid posts across all accounts categories, click here.

If you do not wish to receive these messages in future, please reply stop to this comment.

Cognitive dissonance.

·

In what sense?

·
·

He HAS to believe in the system or his world will fall apart. Like many others. They believe that the system is good for us "stupid" people. He thinks we cannot breath without it, live without it. But, after all, he breaths the same air full of toxins, eat chemical food, drinks fluorided water, inject himself with cancerous ingriedients. I hope that he will see the danger of believing in such fraud - the State. But who cares, we are not here to wake Sneak up, we are here to find people like us and connect.

Wow, it would be good to talk about this topic about democracy. I wrote 2 posts about it.

There are some elements of true democracy that could be implemented:

Here's a discussion about it:

https://steemit.com/busy/@metalmag25/politicians-are-liars-or-corrupt-by-nature-true-or-false-is-this-what-democracy-is-about

https://steemit.com/informationwar/@metalmag25/politicians-are-liars-or-corrupt-by-nature-true-or-false-part-ii-let-s-talk-about-true-democracy

Great video sir..thanks for sharing @ura-sou
Wow.gif

Excellent video sir..thanks for important video sir @ura-sou Always love and respect
Like.gif

Maybe he's the Churchill kind of anti-democratic?

·

And the Care Bear kind of Deep State?

Crazy... Think I'm going to powerdone now.

I hope you'll continue the investigation.

Kevin Shipp strikes me as another fake "whistleblower"

Firstly he is still alive (suspicious in itself)

Secondly his videos are all over youtub (the tub don't play that way)

And just to fully kill off his cred he is saying chump is a threat to the deep state - LOL...

Love the way he keeps saying he has to rush because he only has an hour. And manages to waste half his time saying he'll explain more later and blathering on about a difference between the deep state and the shadow government..

And he reveals nothing that isn't common knowledge. John McCain, Lockhead Martin, Hillary Clinton - wow he should get a job on the Alex Jones show :)

·

Kevin Shipp, David Steele, and Steve Pieczenik are all very suspicious.

·

Firstly he is still alive (suspicious in itself)

is answered by:

And he reveals nothing that isn't common knowledge.

I don't know much about him, I just use his description of the shitstem as a rough guide to the acronyms involved!

·
·

I hadn't given him much thought before but now that I've had a quick look, I think he fits the standard pattern

“Donald Trump is questioning the Deep State and the shadow government,” Shipp says in an interview with USAWatchdog‘s Greg Hunter. “He’s rocking that place left and right. The news media is terrified of that. Their editors are telling them to attack him just like they are attacking him from the inside. It’s just dirty pool because they want him taken out.”

Some Americans actually seem to believe this crap!

https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/ex-cia-officer-deep-state-is-terrified-of-trump-and-want-him-taken-out_01152018#comments

·
·
·

The age old question of 'conspiracy or stupidity' is in focus here. ;)

·
·
·
·

Whoever wrote his speech is a PR genius and he is smart enough to recite it word for word wherever he goes, so I'll roll with conspiracy for Shipp.

But for all the other Americans, stupidity...

·
·
·
·
·

Wow, is that available as a google earth layer? I've been looking for something to make understanding life easier. :)

·
·
·
·
·

you just scored a Viking follower!

I had come to the conclusion that steemit.com was some sort of deep state plot or at the very least just as manipulated as other forums by the powers that be. good work.

Easy fix, have all down votes equal power for all that use them and people will be less likely to abuse them.

·

The problem with that approach is that I can then create a long list of accounts and gain more power than others anyway.

·
·

Down votes would be more rep in that way for all down votes would be = or .001
would take alot of alts 8 }

·

you should explain that idea better.. i dont understand what you mean at all! ????

·
·

Have all value of downvote = to the lowest stemmit value.. Or all downvotes no matter how much SB power you have would only = .001

I shall research this in more detail.

Thank you for pointing this out.

·

we shall indeed all do that! Great comment! Just like mine is! Follow and help me rebuild after I was attacked here on steemit by a mob of angry, downvoting islamists!

It seems more likely than not to me, that there is a deep state team activity working against Steemit ever reaching its full world changing potential.

What surprises me the most is how many dimwits are completely drawn into bullshit flag wars. Some of these people really believe they are 'protecting' Steemit. Its pathetic

is he being sarcastic? kind of a weird statement. says democracy is overrated then says how important the democratic deep state is??

You got a 9.81% upvote from @postpromoter courtesy of @ura-soul!

Want to promote your posts too? Check out the Steem Bot Tracker website for more info. If you would like to support the development of @postpromoter and the bot tracker please vote for @yabapmatt for witness!

Direct democracy invalidates Representing anything. It's the choices of the majority, that's all, hence why democracy is always the majority voting to eat the minority for dinner.

The problem is with saying that the voice of One individual equates to anything remotely representing the community on the other hand, such as Sneak's Freedom of Expressing his opinion of a topic, it actually doesn't say ANYTHING about: Steem, Steemit Inc, The Community, Vaccines, or anything other than the fact that it's his opinion. Free Speech friendly indeed, and I should know I have taken down troll after troll of people purveying vaccines as even mildly ok, and it's clearly transparent while nothing and nobody can stop you from speaking your mind on here.

Equating weighted voting to democracy would be equating democracy to your vote counts only if you have 50k or more, and that's not an opinion but the begrudging reality of Vests vs One Vote One Voter Democracy.

·

direct democracy means everyone has a voice and represents himself. but you prefer a system where someone else decides for you? I find that hard to believe unless you're part of the 0.1% or secrete societies which constitute the deep state.
we have no experience of direct democracy apart from Ancient Greece, which was more civilized than we are and noone hate anyone for dinner.
the notion of majority though needs to be scrapped and replaced with overwhelming majority. if a law or decision is really needed then at least 90% should be in favour of it. Any decision needs to have a broad enough consensus.

·
·

They were so civilized that they invented Pederasty and Raped and Pillaged their neighbours, again and again, when they weren't fighting amongst themselves. It doesn't matter if 99% think that a law is needed, laws have never solved anything. You should consider your comment that "none ate anyone for dinner" because figuratively speaking that is all democracy has ever done. The notion that people can Mandate morality is what needs to be scrapped. In the context of Steem and Witness voting, it's hardly a Conspiracy or Centralization of power, even in the loosest sense of those words.

·
·
·

yeah laws are mostly unnecessary (I believe only in 1 law: don't use violence)...but in community governance sometimes decisions need to be made...and I believe if a decision reaches at least 90% of consensus among the population it is likely something that most can live with....instead now we have a tiny elite taking us into wars noone ever voted for and using our taxes to murder people. there will never be a 90% consensus for that unless the internet became completely controlled....and again such control would never be let through by the 90%. So I remain convinced direct democracy is a better system than letting some "illuminati" 0.1% Elite decide what is best for everyone....we've seen enough of it. time for a complete change and direct democracy, collective intelligence and wisdowm of the crowds are in my opinion the way forward.

·
·
·
·

You went from Laws to Decisions, a euphemism for Mandates (majority choice) and the numerous thoughts that end with an omission (ellipsis) tell me that you'd rather rely on implicit nonsense instead on Grammar(definitions), Logic(why/how) Rhetoric (relative). It's the same story: It's ok by me if 90% agree on some insanity, because instead of that we have this situation that we are so powerless in, and not that such insanity couldn't be fabricated, it could, but it can only happen if they elites get away with it because 90% wouldn't let it happen, because democracy was ever a good idea. In the end you're relying on the idiocy of almost unilateral consensus to be formed which doesn't address the fact that by who or how the issues are phrased cannot take place in any kind of democratic way and you will never have 90% participation because 2/3 of people MANDATE every year that Democracy is Invalid, through their non-participation, which even if half of it was by choice or only a quarter, it would still make it that nobody will ever reach your consensus, nothing will ever come under agreement, not that such agreements wouldn't be redundant, to begin with.

·
·
·

The entire concept of the witness system is based on instilling the principle of decentralisation in such a way that consensus can be reached on the content of the blockchain and thus we can rely on the contents of the chain not having been manipulated. If the top witness positions are all controlled then the chain can theoretically be edited and controlled/censored at that level. Anything that limits the ability of any potential witness candidate from being able to rise to a top position, which does not limit SOME of the witnesses is itself a threat to the entire schema.

·
·
·
·

So the concept isn't based on the front end, but then it is? Either the concept ISN'T based on SteemIt Inc or it is. Ned has ceded that it isn't, you claim that because it can be controlled and because of Steemit "limits" the "process" (both of which are exaggerations and not small or little at all) that it is, and somehow you think that steemit can ever be run like Steem. If I make a website like busy that phrases the data, and I "limit" the phrasing to only what I like, by your logic it limits and invalidates in a way the very notion of Decentralization through the Witnesses. As long as the witnesses AREN'T censoring the network everything is fine, regardless of what the possibilities are, all else is FUD.

·
·
·
·
·

I don't really understand how you manage to, in every comment you make, twist what I have said into something I haven't said and to be frank, as you have done in every interaction we have had, I feel like you are trolling me.

For the sake of completeness:

So the concept isn't based on the front end, but then it is? Either the concept ISN'T based on SteemIt Inc or it is.

You have not been specific when you stated the phrase 'the concept' - so I am not 100% clear what you are referring to. The front end of steemit.com is the primary interface to the steem blockchain currently (in terms of numbers of users). The witness voting page is the only place in steemit.com to make witness votes. Therefore, the witness voting page is the primary interface used to log witness votes.

Steem actions and logs the votes, while Steemit.com is the primary portal for their input.

Ned has ceded that it isn't,

I do not know what you are referring to there.

you claim that because it can be controlled and because of Steemit "limits" the "process" (both of which are exaggerations and not small or little at all)

Not exaggerations, but provable fact. The only question is whether or not the limitation is deliberate or not.

somehow you think that steemit can ever be run like Steem

I have no idea what this means.

If I make a website like busy that phrases the data, and I "limit" the phrasing to only what I like, by your logic it limits and invalidates in a way the very notion of Decentralization through the Witnesses.

I am specifically referring to the witness voting process only, with regards decentralisation. I think you are missing the point.

·
·
·
·
·
·

You have not been specific when you stated the phrase 'the concept' - so I am not 100% clear what you are referring to. The front end of steemit.com is the primary interface to the steem blockchain currently (in terms of numbers of users). The witness voting page is the only place in steemit.com to make witness votes. Therefore, the witness voting page is the primary interface used to log witness votes.

I didn't have to be specific, I referred to the same concept that you brought up, the "entire concept of witness system". So the entire concept of witness system relies on Steemit, a front end, and not on the actual blockchain/platform.

I do not know what you are referring to there.

I'm referring to the concept of Witness and Decentralization being tied to Steemit the front end.

Not exaggerations, but provable fact. The only question is whether or not the limitation is deliberate or not.

Because the whole concept of witnesses relies on Steemit.

I have no idea what this means.

That you can petition the Witnesses to change the way Steemit is run or works.

I am specifically referring to the witness voting process only, with regards decentralisation. I think you are missing the point.

I think you are missing the point.

·
·
·
·
·
·
·

I am muting you now as I feel our interactions are a waste of my time.

·

Direct democracy invalidates Representing anything. It's the choices of the majority, that's all, hence why democracy is always the majority voting to eat the minority for dinner.

Direct democracy is at least better than representational democracy which is the illusion that the people have a voice - at least direct democracy gives people a real voice. However, yes, democracy is not a balanced approach - regardless of it's application.

With regards the issue of vote weight and power etc. - I have recently made several posts that demonstrate how the witness voting system on steemit.com is acting to conglomerate power in the hands of the top 50 witnesses (some of which are actually dead accounts) - which serves ultimately to centralise power in a very 'deep state' kind of way - in other words 'the game is rigged'. The point has been raised by numerous people over the last year+, yet no fix has been forthcoming. Witnesses are intended to be the ones who choose to accept or reject a hardfork - it is a selling point of the system and a key point in it's design. This design point is being circumvented.

·
·

Democracies are dangerous.

  • If 50.1% of the people decide everyone must drive pink cars with purple polka dots, you must get your purple car with pink polka dots painted or get thrown in jail.
    • A representational government without a contract (such as our Constitution and Bill of Rights) is just as dangerous.
      • Neither arrangement protects the rights of the minority. The smallest minority being the individual.

Perhaps what Steemit needs is a "Constitution." Acknowledging the users have certain rights, such as transparency of leadership... ??? ...

·
·
·

If 50.1% of the people decide everyone must drive pink cars with purple polka dots

That sort of insane decision is infact more likely where there is no democracy, and in countries at the whim of some Dictator. I agree that starting from a Constitution is wise in all cases....but then again how and who decides what goes into the Constitution? Wide consensus would be needed....which is essentially direct democracy with an high quota.

·
·
·

It seems that with or without a "contract" (it's not a contract, it's a CORPORATE CHARTER) it's still a Fraudulent and Predatory as ever: Every Banking Act.

The only arrangement that protects the rights of the minority is a Republican form of Government, otherwise known as a Re-Public but as the Pubic has stopped showing up and Governing themselves, others have filled that void and they gave them Citizenship over Independence, Freedom and Sovereignty because people erroneously think that Citizen and Sovereign are the same thing or they could EVER describe the same thing.

·
·
·

Yes, democracy does not fully respect free will!
I'm not sure how a constitution can really be used in practice without it involving some kind of force, which would have to be encoded into the steem blockchain logic. I think EOS has some kind of allowance for this but it might require Dan's deliberate insertion of it from the get-go for it to work. We shall see.

·
·

Better how? Better why?

Umm it seems that in the end you conclude that it's not a "balanced" approach? What could be MORE balanced? Its balance won't change the fact that it's still a poor idea.

You see a few people participating in the voting and you disregard their ability to vote. What else is there to say, you think that people cannot use their vote effectively, what I want to know is what is the qualia for Centralization of Power if you consider a list of 50 people that omits 350 others or relegates them to being picked by typing in the name as an impendent to people voting, and ultimately positing that those whose votes actually count, or the ones whos accounts are Powerd Up are somehow unable to use the functionality of the website to vote for anyone other than the top 50. It's one leap of logic to another, I don't buy it, demonstrate that a) centralization of power in a very 'deep state' kind of way and b)game is rigged are apt descriptions and not blatant misrepresentations and exaggerations compounded with asenine insinuations of inVestor's lack of common sense.

·
·
·

Better how? Better why?

Better because at least if I personally get to register a vote on specific issues, my vote (might) count for something. Representational democracy is just a farce that pretends to give people a voice, but which in practise only serves to concentrate vast power in the hands of the few. How many people ever meet their 'representative'? How many people's real voice is reflected in the actions of the representative? The number is tiny in both cases.

Umm it seems that in the end you conclude that it's not a "balanced" approach? What could be MORE balanced? Its balance won't change the fact that it's still a poor idea.

A voluntarist society would be more balanced than democracy and it requires an evolution of the heart and a willingness to live peacefully. I have written several times on this, but for some reason google isn't brining up the most relevant posts. Here's one that covers the topic to some extent:
https://steemit.com/politics/@ura-soul/an-economic-model-for-world-peace-heartism-plus-understanding-capitalism-vs-communism-and-voluntarism

You see a few people participating in the voting and you disregard their ability to vote.

I have no idea what this line refers to.

What else is there to say, you think that people cannot use their vote effectively, what I want to know is what is the qualia for Centralization of Power if you consider a list of 50 people that omits 350 others or relegates them to being picked by typing in the name as an impendent to people voting, and ultimately positing that those whose votes actually count, or the ones whos accounts are Powerd Up are somehow unable to use the functionality of the website to vote for anyone other than the top 50. It's one leap of logic to another, I don't buy it, demonstrate that a) centralization of power in a very 'deep state' kind of way and b)game is rigged are apt descriptions and not blatant misrepresentations and exaggerations compounded with asenine insinuations of inVestor's lack of common sense.

Here's some data on that:
https://steemit.com/steem/@ura-soul/does-the-fact-that-the-witness-voting-page-only-shows-50-witnesses-effect-the-voting-outcome-an-analysis-of-the-spread-of

Here's a solution that would be EASY to implement:
https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@ura-soul/suggestion-improved-witness-voting-page-for-steemit-com

Only just now I was informed (as often happens) that someone wanted to vote for me and thought he had voted for me, but the vote wasn't logged in SteemD (but WAS showing in steemit.com). Just another 'bug'.

·
·
·
·

Better because at least if I personally get to register a vote on specific issues, my vote (might) count for something. Representational democracy is just a farce that pretends to give people a voice, but which in practise only serves to concentrate vast power in the hands of the few. How many people ever meet their 'representative'? How many people's real voice is reflected in the actions of the representative? The number is tiny in both cases.

Either way, you don't have a clear reason why it's better than "representative is worse". And concerning steem then you want everyone to have an equal vote for the witnesses? And how and why is that better anyway?

A voluntarist society would be more balanced than democracy and it requires an evolution of the heart and a willingness to live peacefully. I have written several times on this, but for some reason google isn't brining up the most relevant posts. Here's one that covers the topic to some extent:

More balanced how and why? A million buzzwordz won't change the fact that an idiotic idea no matter how balanced will never be a great idea. You cannot turn roadkill into a top cut of beef, no matter how much sauce you give it or how you grill it.

I have no idea what this line refers to.

That's about you Disregarding people's ability to vote (poor witness voting page), people who represent a minority not by design but by choice (how many accounts with over 1000 SP do you think are "manipulated" or "impaired" in their voting by the voting page?

Only just now I was informed (as often happens) that someone wanted to vote for me and thought he had voted for me, but the vote wasn't logged in SteemD (but WAS showing in steemit.com). Just another 'bug'.

of course, it often happens, what else would you need to substantiate that besides one person.

·
·
·
·
·

Either way, you don't have a clear reason why it's better than "representative is worse".

You asked me why direct democracy was better, I explained why it is better. the end.

And concerning steem then you want everyone to have an equal vote for the witnesses? And how and why is that better anyway?

your statement 'have an equal vote for the witnesses' is imprecise. to clarify, I simply want all witnesses to be visible in the list from which people make their votes.

More balanced how and why? A million buzzwordz won't change the fact that an idiotic idea no matter how balanced will never be a great idea. You cannot turn roadkill into a top cut of beef, no matter how much sauce you give it or how you grill it.

I do not equate voluntarism with democracy, so unless you are calling voluntarism an idiotic idea, again, I am not clear what you are saying here.

That's about you Disregarding people's ability to vote (poor witness voting page), people who represent a minority not by design but by choice (how many accounts with over 1000 SP do you think are "manipulated" or "impaired" in their voting by the voting page?

I think you have misinterpreted something I have written because I have no idea what you are talking about here - it just doesn't fit in with the situation. I am not disregarding anyone's ability to vote.

Any account owner, regardless of their SP is going to be hindered in the process of freely choosing a voting candidate, if they cannot see all of them - it's not difficult to understand is it?

·
·
·
·
·
·

You asked me why direct democracy was better, I explained why it is better. the end.

Yeah, it's better than representative because representative is worse, that's called explaining. /s

your statement 'have an equal vote for the witnesses' is imprecise. to clarify, I simply want all witnesses to be visible in the list from which people make their votes.

The context was, and is, Representative Democracy vs Direct Democracy and I related that to Steem. Yeah I get it, the list should include all the witnesses, not that each vote should be the same.

I do not equate voluntarism with democracy, so unless you are calling voluntarism an idiotic idea, again, I am not clear what you are saying here.

I'm calling democracy a dumb idea. Voluntarism is the de facto state of the world.

Any account owner, regardless of their SP is going to be hindered in the process of freely choosing a voting candidate, if they cannot see all of them - it's not difficult to understand is it?

Simply saying that doesn't make it true, you realize that, don't you? To actually demonstrate that you'd have to explain How and Why their choices are hindered. Choosing a voting candidate from a list or by typing it in doesn't change anything, they aren't hindered in choosing, they are hindered in skipping a step in the process of voting. I didn't misunderstand anything, I can fathom the numerous implications of displaying only the top 50 witnesses but I seriously doubt you understand the concept of freely choosing (freedom of choice, volition) and think that exaggerating it to Conveniently choosing passes for the same concern, it doesn't. They can choose anyone they wish, even people that aren't in the top 50, can they not?

·
·
·
·
·
·
·

I already provided a link to an analysis that shows how the amount of votes received by users in the 40/50 region jumps fairly profoundly. I have spoken with a witness who moved into the top 50 fairly recently and who confirmed that it is unfair and he receives hugely more votes now he is in the top 50. I can also show two posts from the last few hours where people have tried to vote for me using the steemit witness page and they have typed my name in, the interface has shown that they have voted for me, but the vote was not logged in the blockchain.

If you cannot understand how this is unfair then that is not my problem.

They can choose anyone they wish, even people that aren't in the top 50, can they not?

a) They have no way of knowing who the witnesses outside of the top 50 even are, unless they do significant amounts of research.
b) Even when they do choose someone outside of the top 50, there are at least two major reasons why there is a good chance their vote will fail.

The TRuth will set you free. Do you really think you can change the way @Sneak feels about the manner?

·

I am not invested in changing the logic used by specific people - I am simply invested in exposing key points to the world so that we are better informed when making our own decisions.

Great call out. Just set you as my witness voting proxy!

I have some additional observations that are worth thinking about but many people are not going to like them at all..

I have been studying symbolism for a very long time since it is a hidden language that is used by the elite to communicate to each other without the masses understanding it. It's like gang signs or dog piss for elite secret society members.

If you haven't thought about it, "Steem" is a very weird name for a platform. Why would they call it that? If however you have a look at the meaning of the word "steem" at Wiktionary here, you realize that "steem" means both "A gleam of light; a flame" and "value." This is a typical luciferian word game since Lucifer means "light bearer" and many hidden symbols of Lucifer have him/her (Lucifer is represented with both genders) holding a flame - think Columbia pictures, think the Statue of Liberty, think of the Victoria Memorial directly in front of Buckingham Palace. They are all flame holders / light bearers. They hide this shit in plain sight. I don't think Steem is any different.

I am also going to point out a "heresy" for most steemians. No one will ask serious questions about the Steem founders - Ned Scott and Dan Larimer (son of Stan Larimer - a military industrial complex engineer). Steemit is headquartered in Virginia (gee who else is headquartered in Virginia?), and Dan is now working on the next very strangely name project called "EOS." If you want to know what EOS means, you need to be willing to go down the rabbit hole. I've written a post about it previously here and highly suggest that you have a read. In the meantime, I'll leave you a clue below:

I'm simply raising questions here, since I am not sure how all these "coincidences" fully tie together yet and who is/are the main influencers of them. Needless to say, they don't really paint the nicest picture after now also adding in the above comment made by the Steemit tech manager Sneek.

We can have a flagging system without a reputation system!
making it transparent for everyone if a post or comment is "undesireable" in any way by others and by whom!
but without that person actually being hindered in his further blogging from having recieved f.x. 50 downvotes / flags on his recent post!

Generally, as we can just comment our thoughts and feelings, we can use that to convey anything that we otherwise use the flagging to convey..
For instance just a comment where you write "Flagging this!" or a jpg or gif with a flag or thumbs down !
like this