STEEM II Announced: What's the Name? What's the Intent... What's the Difference?
Hello there.
Today was a good day for Dan as he felt it was time to confess what we were already suspecting was true... that he was working on a project like STEEM.
However, he claims that this new improved version or STEEM 2.0 as he called it in his conversation is going to be much better.
But what does MUCH BETTER mean?
Well, we all know some things about Dan and about his work, so here's my opinion on what the crowd wants, what Dan will deliver and what will really happen.
It's worth what it's worth, read below for my point of view.
Dan's Track Record: A Superb Developer
There's no arguing that @dan is a stellar developer. He is the best "blockchainsmith" I know and in my book he is a total rockstar.
I use both STEEM and Bitshares and I can tell you that if you don't use bitshares you're missing out.
On the other hand, this is something that gives this STEEM 2.0 a great outlook as far as technicalities and performance are concerned.
We can rest assured that the project is going to be technically solid and from a development point of view it is going to be SUPERIOR to STEEM.
STEEM is great, don't get me wrong, but I'm sure @dan learned a lot in these 2 years, and that he is now going to build something better.
Dan's Project Record: Build It and Leave It
Dan isn't the man to run his projects.
He is a builder, not a manager. He knows how to envision projects and he knows how to build them, but I don't expect him to stick around.
STEEM was left with @ned and I don't know who will get STEEM 2.0 but in my opinion @dan isn't for sure.
He is going to leave in search of his next big project and someone will be left behind to handle and run the actual platform, blockchain, app or whatever it REALLY is
EOS is just another average empty ERC20 token so far, so we really need more time and info to know if it's going to be any good.
Sure, we KNOW it's going to be good, but Dan isn't very good at surrounding himself by Marketing Competent people.
Marketing... Does it Have to Suck?
Let's look at @dan's projects... they are superior on the technical side, but damn their marketing sucks.
I know it because I'm a Marketer.
I don't consider myself to be the best, but damn these projects are underrated... and they are underrated for a reason - incompetent marketing staff.
With a project like STEEM, I would be working my ass off every day of the week and I would harrass so many people my knuckles would go bloody from all the door knocking.
But the marketing guys, if they exist here, are just like... I don't know... farming or something lol.
Instead of watching Dr. Oz and trying the latest detox juice based diet, they could promote this blockchain powerhouse better...
... I fear the same will happen to STEEM 2.0
That it will be underrated because its marketing, as Dan's latest projects, will be subpar.
Upgrading STEEMit: What to Correct?
Another thing is that he says he is going to correct the flaws here.
Don't get me wrong, I know this isn't perfect... but what flaws is he talking about?
I mean, I can see a couple easy to correct like the registration and SMTs, but that's coming next hardfork so what exactly are we talking about?
I've read some people saying it's about:
- Not being biased towards early adopters;
- Not being biased towards money investors;
BUT ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
THAT WOULD SUCK!
No advantages for investors who are willing to put their cash in so the project starts well even though it's at its MOST VULNERABLE MOMENT?
No advantages to those who supported the platform right from the start?
Heck that would be a terrible place to be in.
On the other hand, some other people claim it's about the bot situation... well, @penguinpablo already did the statistics and only, I don't know, 1.7% of voting or something like vastly inferior to 5% is done by bots.
I don't see it as being a problem BECAUSE systems like these will always have it.
Basically, if people can profit with it, they will find a way, no matter how many credentials, captchas, bot busters and everything you can implement.
Bots here are actually not a problem at all in my opinion, people just freak out about that 1.7% because they think it's like 50% or something.
Another thing they say is problematic is the fact that "it's hard to get noticed if you're not a whale or a whale friend".
That isn't the case either, I'm 3 months something old and I already had a post on number 1 in trending and have 2100 followers and a pretty profitable blog.
Why?
I don't pay anyone for it, I don't have a vote that can get me into circle-jerks, what I do have is hard work every day.
The system is not as flawed as many may think.
Which leads me to the next step.
Dan Has a Beautiful Vision of the World: But it Can't Happen!
@Dan, as I said in the beggining of the article, I love you man. You're the best.
But, your vision of the world is a bit too utopian like. It's impossible.
People are humans, humans are not perfect, and sure you can have a good little utopian platform for you, me and like-minded individuals... BUT if we're going at changing the world here and going into mass adoption...
... You got to account for the imperfect masses.
It just doesn't work that way.
With mass adoption comes the "unwashed" masses who are still programmed to live in their world of scarcity.
Our job is to try to "convert" them to see the world the right way, and with time maybe we'll do it... but it's too soon to build that perfect blockchain.
So, don't get frustrated if you consider the next project to be ruined as well.
You also considered STEEM to be ruined beyond repair, and I love the platform with all its flaws, it still has a lot of great "good stuff."
Anyway, guys, in conclusion:
What do you think of all of this?
Let me know down in the comments below, after you upvote me so I can buy more EOS.
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as someone who love steem platform, what can we do to protect and promote it?
Whatever he is building it will take a long time before it will see the day of light. Until then we can see where THIS baby here takes us. I think Steem has still plenty of steam. ;-)
Well, wouldn't it be cool that this declaration could motivate the steem team to pump that HF20 faster? :;P
Hey, Max, thanks for your post.
You almost read my thoughts on this matter. Dan is a great builder of shiny ivory towers which suck in real life. It's not only the marketing it's the economy that sucks.
Bitshares sucks because I just can't get my fiat money there without losing the half on fees. You don't populate the platform with exchangers and liquidity providers - you end up with non working platform.
Steemit sucks because of bad coding design. New users registration process is a joke. Frontend is ugly and unusable compared to what general public used to on FB, Twitter and Instagram. The economy is improving but we had a long bloody way ahead of us. And we won't survive scaling even to 1M of active users daily.
For Dan steady improvements and building a product which would suffice the end user is too boring. It's so much fun to build another unusable shiny tower - especially if the general hype-loving crypto "invesors" are always ready to pay billions for his shiny promises and praise him like god of the sun. Well, too bad for them.
Always a pleasure to have someone other than a bootlicker here :D
Glad we're on the same page with that.
Interesting point made towards the end of the post:
In my opinion, STEEM is the perfect place to find people who want to develop a better sense of the world we are in. You can be encouraged and build great traction because of the constant uplifting nature of the comments section, you can find others who share similar approaches and we can all grow our communities externally away from the blockchain so we can all move onto different platforms without a problem.
People get too wrapped up in thinking Steemit is the be all and end all. It's far from that and it'll evolve and grow over time. STEEM is just the beginning.
No matter what is said, having bad marketing for these projects doesn't necessarily bother me right now. It gives communities that are trying to solve scaling issues the time to do so; as well as the developing team.
For instance, can you imagine how steemcleaners would feel if Steemit was 10X bigger right now?
There is a lot of different factors for sure, but the best thing about Steemit is that we can find people who get it. Yes, there are people who seek monetary gain and approach the platform with varying methods to try and 'capitalise' their time better. They choose these methods over genuine human interaction because they think that those methods are more beneficial. This is just a behaviour that has transferred from the existing social media platforms and the mass collected thought that is portrayed onto us.
In the next decade, we have an opportunity to change that perspective. Those who are willing to challenge it and grow inwardly will benefit from having people around them who support them genuinely. Grow your relationships with people and make support networks.
We all grow together.
Well said, here's my 100% upvote.
I would have rather had a reply that would expand on the discussion but fair enough. What are your thoughts on the future of the platform?
Steem 2.0, whenever it may appear, will hopefully change some underlying issues but it won't change the behaviours and patterns of the exisiting platform without proper guidance and support for the new users.
I didn't really go that deep into it because at this point I've said it so many times it gets old, but since you are asking for my opinion that means you still didn't hear (read) it so I'll go on ahead and let you know.
STEEM, from my point of view, doesn't have much more life in it in terms of years. It isn't a long term blockchain.
Putting it bluntly, STEEM will always be known as the first of its kind, but whatever competitor appears, as long as it has the same profitability, it will be superior.
STEEMIT Inc is a very poor company, they don't work hard for their project, and it shows. Unless they will release a baddass HF20 and SMT launch soon and I'm wrong, but I'm starting to doubt.
We lost huge players already just because the HF is delayed, we could have had great apps that now openned up in ERC20.
On the other hand, this site looks hideous, isn't functional, content sucks, a lot of the people on it are hypocrites and so on...
People won't change, but the UI will be different for a competitor, the site's look and feel will be better and the platform will be superior because frankly the only thing we have is the blockchain's performance and the profit, everything else is trash.
This is a great project that will last one year or two more, depends on the competitors and the crypto scenario, but I think it's only a matter of time until a competitor comes out, and with STEEM as a case study to analyze, they can't really do much worse.
There are a lot of things that aren't set on stone, but this for me is what's set on stone:
I can see your view very clearly and although I share some of your views on Steemit and the downfalls that this site has, I don't believe that this hinders STEEM's potential for the future. The fact that STEEM is still adopting more entrepreneurs and businesses by the week, makes me believe that there is room for the token in the mainstream.
Steemit has problems because of what is at peoples eye level and although there is a lot of problems with the platform, there is still a lot of great people with an open perspective compared to the existing social media platforms. Like yourself, I realized that the best thing to do within Steemit is to find like-minded people and let them have a place to interact outside of the blockchain (yourself running CryptoEmpire, myself BuddyUP). Having these communities are important because no matter what pops up in the future, we can all merge together into the next best thing. Gather the people who are genuine and care and then grow from there. Steemit is merely a drop in the ocean but it's a great place to find the right people to interact with.
I am still learning every day about this space and my views change from day to day but my main focus will always be to find genuine people who value and express real human interaction. This is the perfect place to find them. In my field of view, I rarely see any bad content at all and I tend to read between 10-20 posts a day. It comes down to your social circles though for sure.
The benefit that STEEM has is that it has been running for 2 years now. It is battle tested and there are communities on here that are gearing up for this new decentralized space. That is needed when a blockchain pops up with the potential and backend to support the users correctly.
The teams that have moved over to ERC-20 don't phase me when you look at the technology behind the two blockchains in comparison. Yes, they may have created tokens on the ETH network, but the potential on ETH is very limited when it comes to real world application for anything socially related. STEEM has that tech right now for real wrold application, there isn't many other places like it and with the runtime.
The only thing that I would challenge about STEEM not making it to mainstream is that it all comes down to application and demand. Already we have many projects and applications that have teams that want to push them forward. Yes, some might not be the best but they are still adding value to the blockchain in this early stage. Other platforms that crop up will not only need to go through the 'battletesting' stage, they will also need to wait for the communities and important figures to step up and somewhat lead the way for the blockchain to grow.
Who knows what will crop up in the future though.
Thanks for taking the time to share your viewpoint on this. I believe I can learn a lot from you and it's beneficial to seek that perspective to broaden my scope of the crypto space.
really nice article dude lets see when the steem 2.0 comes and what will be the effects good or bad
Hi @spiritualmax, I don't agree with you, people who write in other languages earn less money, there are few whales in other communities.
Most whales only read post written in english.
The voting power of minnows is ridiculous.
Whales must delegate Steem Power to other communities.
A minnow must start with a vote of 0.10, because 0.01 is very ridiculous.
Well, its still easier here than in any other blog... Plus, I don't get voted by whales either.
In the italian community the majority have a low voting power, I think that other community (spanish, deutsch, korean) also have this problem.
My wishlist for steem 2...
I've been here on Steem less than 2 weeks, and I agree with most of the suggestions you made, @creativetruth. There's some clunkiness here, though having no programming background myself, I just cross my fingers and hope that those who understand this can/will make it better.
And... I also agree with @spiritualmax that there are a lot of good, if imperfect, elements here on this platform, and there are ways around the troublesome bots and phishing (just ignore them, and search out my peeps in the channels that appeal to me). When I think of how many years it took for me to build my Friend base on Facebook, I think I can be patient and watch how my Steemit experience unfolds. :-)
quality gains more value than power - what do you mean by this?
"Quality gains more value than power." That basically means that a post written by a world class expert or artisan should be able to make a well prepared post in their field, and get more views/votes/payout than a person who has very little knowledge on the same subject and prepares their post poorly yet has a lot of wealth to buy better views/votes/payouts. Does that describe what I meant better? I want the real champs to get their due rewards, so they don't have to go through 8 more years of labor, even after they've already proved to the world they are the best.
It was a slightly controversial item on my wishlist, because it would really redesign the economics of the entire blockchain.
Yeah, I would like that as well but, how would that be possible?
It does look good on paper but there certain hurdles such as how can "world class expert or artisan" convince his/her audience to upvote the post if the said audience have different preference even if it has the taste of a simpleton (unless that they used their brains well) and it gets even worse if some of them were whales.
Not to mention that to those who liked the post, how many SP did they willing to invest with their own resources just to upvote that post rather decently let alone some random Steemian who starts from nothing (as in no money to begin with) to something because that these people would drawn to that person even if he/she may or may not be "world class expert or artisan"
But we have to follow Dan's true vision! Everything must follow the whitepaper. Bots-against white paper. How dare you go against the holy white paper /s
What? That what bitcoin cashers are saying.....
But seriously i agree what you said :)
It's not Bitcoin Cash, it's BCash :P
+1
Well, it's proven that competition causes the competitors to do better. You can bet your bippy that Steemit is making adjustments and changes to the platform that will make it competitive. However, humans... it will be the same old story, just like what we saw in network marketing: the hordes will always go to "greener grass". Here in Nevada in the early days of mining it was always the next new strike that created an exodus from the last strike. I suspect it will be the same here. And there will be plenty who will try and play in both chains. It will certainly be interesting, no doubt. Oh, and I thought I saw just a couple of days ago that votebots account for about 10% of voting. Can't recall where I saw it. Blessings.
Well, we just have to wait and see just how cool this new platform is going to be... however, no matter what cool, it will have to really be something else to surprise us Steemians.
Yes, indeed all eyes will be on the new and improved version of Steemit 2.0. I hope the tectonic plates beneath Steemit don't shift to terribly. We shall see. Steemit has already captured my heart you see.
Well, it will definitely be a competitor, but I don't think it is going to render this one obsolete... we'll see.
I imagine this entire thing will be the talk of the community for the next few months or more. Ah, the vicissitudes of life. What shall we do?
You had this discussion the other day and I was just lurking about in that observation because he came out with EOS and now another project that will be a Steem 2.0
I agree with you that Dan in terms of tech is a rockstar but has proven to ride off to the sunset in search of the next big thing.
I don't know what happened behind the scenes between him and Ned and although there are a lot of posts talking about that we wouldn't really know.
Steem is far from perfect but there are a lot of good things in the platform. With new competitors we know that it will step up technically.
Now if only it's marketing would do the same.
Lol they should hire you!! Give them a leg up or at least point them to a direction.