Htooms the benevolent whale
who shares his power with people or the hypocritical troll who preaches "People Quit Due To Downvotes" as he flags @fulltimegeek into oblivion with 3 other sockpuppet accounts while selfvoting and collusive voting himself through those accounts?
link to content just a random one I picked, they are all equally harmless but look at his objective: drive fulltimegeek away from the platform, while htooms is preaching that we should stop whale wars..)
and in between flagging, voting for himself with 100% repeatedly, the majority of upvotes are for himself .
https://steemdb.com/@htooms/votes
Many have been blessed by this whales power and some have even been granted this gift of blessing others with that power, but I don't think anybody know exactly who this person is. This whale is very possibly just another sockpuppet account, possibly maned by fyrstikeen. Why and how do I come to this conclusion?
https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@htooms/introduction-my-first-day-here-but-i-still-made-the-news-hi-whales
In that introuction post httooms has not disclosed ONE thing about themselves, no what, no where, no when, no why, no how, and least no who.
This is interesting:
They were nice to the newcomer, [abit and smooth when the experiment had just begun, coincidentally he joined at that precise time..] though I was flagging all the big fish who supported them as feelings got hurt all over the place.
Referring to himself in third person, he enlarges his persona then proceeds to justifies his flagging people who supported the experiment "as feelings got hurt all over the place", so in essence he just came on the platform, has invested numerous thousands in it, and in a matter of minutes, that's right, minutes after he created his account:
Yes, that's correct, just eleven minutes and forty two seconds later, without any other vote or action, had already flagged @smooth's post which was expressing why the downvote was applied, and htooms had wrote:
https://steemd.com/art/@smooth/re-genyway-fox-illustration-low-poly-counterbot
A downvote was applied to your downvote to further the damage you are doing to new users.
You can't downvote the whales who are messing up your game? You need to make people who want a TASTE of success feel like this? Some of what I read...@elewarne
Re: Smooth Is Going Around Downvoting All My New Blogs!!!
CRAP! Down vote yourself and your buddies! @smooth@dwinblood
Silver lining (aka your upside) is that maybe they'll learn more about how NOT to do an experiment for future efforts.@barrydutton
Re: Time for a #SteemitStrike by Content Creators and Daily Users who actually make this Community what it is? Bring your Harpoons, the Whale Flag "Experiment" failed YUGE and here's why. Nope. There is no way the other collective weights of the handful of whale upvotes on THIS post -- let alone all the…@cm1
Re: Benefits of Homeschooling Part 3
I believe it is inappropriate to flag/downvote an original post - especially one written by children. It@kafkanarchy84
This experiment is driving people away, man. And the downvotes are not proportional anyway.
Lots of minnows being targeted by this. I think you are doing much more harm than good here, with your power. The market is going to remember. @berniesanders has come to his senses. I hope you will, too. This has been about as "scientific" as trying to fix a leaky faucet with a hammer.@barrydutton
I wrote a community encouragement post today, got 5 or more flags, killed the rep and payout, and I had a lot of time and thought into it but who cares, about encouraging content right that is then worth $1?
It was a failed experiment and these flags, with no start or end date, or announcement, are driving good people off here daily.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@barrydutton/steemit-people-i-m-thankful-for-mindful-community-engagement-encouragement-e-1-march-12-2017@elewarne
Re: With Black Bird - new painting
Then down vote all the high paying blogs! I noticed that was NOT happening, just me a little person got screwed! >@smooth@smooth @abit @neoxian
This is sick shit you are doing to MY community on Steemit. I will blow twenty grand on flags before I let you run more experiments like this (without consequences)Signed,
@thooms
Who do we know as a narcissistic and enlightened self appointed messianic complex actor and entertainer who considers this "MY community", writing this entire comment took about that amount of time, from creating the account to posting and flagging. Yes the flag and the comment were just 4 minutes apart.
So who is thooms.. htooms?
Well from his introduction post 3 days after his account appears on the scene he discloses absolutely nothing but his opinions on the experiment, which he overall supports..
And has anybody ever realized that these two people, fyrst and htooms are NEVER on at the same time?
Look at their activity at steemd, once one is on the other isn't, they switch back and forth in between automatic voting and flagging. It goes as such: fryst autovotes for 2 days, comes on after 2 days of not one comment or flag or any organic sign, just automatic voting and creates 1 posts after he comments. That is about 11 hours before htooms is created. Skipping to that point, fyrst goes in autovoting mode while htooms starts, after 3 hours fyrst makes a comment and while that is happening htooms appears to have run on a bot downvoting all of abit's posts 100%, after which that action is interrupted when he's upvoting numerous comments/posts in a matter of 4 minutes, before he transfers 5k steem and powers up, not long after he starts autoflagging abit and smooth, meanwhile fryst comes back on minutes later leaving a comment, while he doesn't show any activity besides bot/automatic for a good time, meanwhile htoom's activity, besides the automatic 50%-100% flagging for abit and smooth, is constant and it ends with a transfer to a user for almost 30 minutes when 30 minutes later updates his account, during those 30 minutes, guess who shows up after 12 hours of no organic activity?.. fyrst with a comment, after which he gives a resteem and that is 10 minutes before htooms gets his account updated after which fyrst has no organic activity until he makes a comment an hour later, and consequently 10 minutes before fyrst comes back from an hour of no activity, htooms makes his last activity by following a user, for 7 hours he has no activity, until he transfers 7 hours later, meanwhile fyrst is replying, and replying, creating a post, replying again, and again, and again, still replying, and more, keeps replying, and some more, we have about 7 hours of constant activity, getting close, closer, and no more activity for the next 8 hours, when he comments again, and guess what, when fyrst gets off for the next 8 hours afte he was commenting left and right, htooms comes on and transfers and is on and transfers money to a bunch of users, comments, follows users and finishes his hours of activity, while fyrst is mia, with a transfer, after which he is on autoflag autopilot mode for an hour and a half.. but right after that last activity of htoom (transfer) and during his hour and a half long absence, fyrst breaks his 8 hour hiatus just minutes after htooms goes afk... and replies, then he's until an hour an a half later he comments(an informed community is a great community, doing that selfless service right now you fake lying troll), but during that hour and a half, htoom resumes his activity with a follow, and it stops again right before fyrst comes on, when he votes at 6% before reverting to 5% votes..
This is just in the first day of htoom coming on the scene, crying about "My community"..
go ahead
https://steemd.com/@htooms
https://steemd.com/@fyrstikken
Prove me wrong, show me two activities that are organic (follow, witness votes, transfers, comments, posts, irregular upvotes/downvotes) that fall withing 1-2 minutes of each other from both of them..
Hopefully some gracious users will nuke both the main account, fyrst and the sockpuppets, htooms. This explains why he gives out his voting to users, the same tactic of building up an image of a good person while engaging in deceit, trolling and death threats.
@smooth, @abit, @berniesanders, @neoxian, @fulltimegeek, @mindhunter, @andarchy (mindhunter told me to tell you he sent me) @novina (seems you're my MVP, don't know that that is but I imagine you upvoted my content, I assume it's none of your business, but I thought it would be nice if you could give me some support against these fake trolls driving people from the community, including seablue and her support for fake good Samaritans and trolls who self vote and use one account to praise people and another to flag them, like the experiment)
@steemitqa for some entertainment and @businesswri
@freebornangel, check out one of the real problems with steemit: fake ass people
This is the fingerprint, the tale tell signs of someone who resorts to name calling and death threats, flag wars are his fingerprint. He has proven again and again that he has no integrity, someone without the basic principle of honesty cannot have ANY principles because he has nothing to build upon. Just recently fyrst felt the need to post a video about "clean thyself". To expose his lunacy even more, he went on and on about cleaning thyself, what it is (cleaning your inside) and why you should do it (to serve others and yourself) but he has no idea about HOW to do that, and it's not that he held that information back, he simply doesn't have the method because he has probably never attempted to purify his inside, but had the need to "enlighten" us and repeat "do you get it" no, we don't you don't even know how to clean yourself, I will give you a HUGE CLUE: BE HONEST, stop lying, stop faking, stop trolling, stop engaging in flag wars, stop name calling and slandering, but again STOP LYING first and foremost, everything you have told me, such as "i don't have time" is a lie, a fabrication, you're a fake and nothing will change that, to start new you must come clean and expose your soul and it's depraved nature or you're going to keep shoveling shit and shit upon it in efforts to hide those awful actions. Clean yourself by coming clean.
@hebrew, @bcc, @btu are all sockpuppet accounts manned by fryst/htooms, they vote for each other while attacking @fulltimegeek.
This has been happening for days now, started before I was here with @asshole, then @iflagtrash and @blacklist, @iflagtrash turned on on cue after I had egged fyrst on by saying he would have to turn on @iflagtrash to shut me up, and not minutes later my comments were flagged, he also outright supports @blacklist and their extortion.
Wow, Baah. You actually can read steemd!
Well if you stop blowing @fulltimegeek, and look into the order of flags, and now he upvotes himself, you may come into reality.
On the plus side, I was going to write a First Month on Steemit but now I don't have to. Thanks
Interview with @thooms.
Interesting, what was his previous account, doesn't say..
I'm going to try to stay out of this one, but I will say that fyrstikken votes on my witness and I'm pretty sure htooms doesn't like me very much. It would be strange if they were the same person.
Check out their activity, besides automatic flagging or upvoting, they don't coincide on activity, only on being off as the other is on. That shines some light why "My community" was the first thing he spewed as defending, while he had just come on the scene, meanwhile because nobody can be in two places at once, he gives out his voting power to users for a night. Tell me if you find ANY activity which coincides.
O really, maybe you can exemplify one set of concurrent activity from both of those accounts..
Conclusion derived from observations and facts, come again.
An errant conclusion derived from an improper interpretation of the facts. You've jumped to an unjustified conclusion yet again.
assumptive without reason or rhetoric to back it up.
Conjecture void of explanation and lacking rhetoric.
Come again.
Your premise that the timing of posts somehow proves they are the same person is faulty. That is why your conclusion is wrong.
How do I know your conclusion is wrong? I've interacted with both.
@baah whats up man! The only things is Htooms and Fryk talk at the same time on SteemSpeak ?
This is the thing, he might have some buddy on there but their activity doesn't ever coincide, check it out, go through all the evidence I pulled from the blockchain, especially the reply to htooms.
The damning things outside the coincidence is how he never discloses not once anything about himself personal, not even what account he had before. Plus he seems to take flagging very seriously, just like fyrst, he cannot stand people flagging him and counters with them instantly, but if you hear him talk he seems like an easy going fellow, which is why I think that's just an actor or what not! Money buys everything!
Until you've come up with better evidence to the contrary it is far more reasonable to believe them to be two different people. It's Occam's razor.
Occam's razor states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, the simplest explanation for these two accounts who belong to two friends who hang out on discord all the time, but having not one incidence of concurrent activity is that they are manned by the same person, regardless of what they purport, as calling 3 days of this behavior a coincidence isn't an explanation in the least, one time it's coincidence, two times it's coincidence, but 5 times, yeah still coincidence..
"two accounts who belong to two friends who hang out on discord"
Yes, that is the reasonable.
"but having not one incidence of concurrent activity is that they are manned by the same person"
That is a very strange premise, it seems to be the crux of your argument and yet does not mean anything.
Why is it a strange premise and how? Failure to answer that question will increase the list of conjectures.
Two friends who are more or less always on at the same time on Steem Discord are never on at the same time on steem, so your explanation for that is.. O wait, there is nothing strange about that, or the fact that they are whale status, or the fact the they being friends but one of them didn't invest in his old account and has not disclosed his previous account only that he was a long time user, the only thing he disclosed in his massive introduction post which amounted to his opinion on the experiment.
It is a strange premise because it doesn't support what you are attempting to use it for.
Could they be the same person? Maybe. Have you proven it? Hell no.
Why and how doesn't it support what I have used it for? Because you interacted with both these people?
Could they be? Maybe...
Come again.
Jesus dude do you ever shut up?
P.S. I've just message commented @andrarchy telling him as a senior poster that this is our single biggest community problem and it needs a solution fast!
I suggest this:
Tie the curation system to reputation, so only those above a certain reputation can upvote and downvote, preferably upwards of 30-40 reputation.
That way these shellfish whales that upvote themselves 100% and extract a good percentage for themselves out of the reward pool can be countered effectively and pushed under the threshold for being bad actors, selfish and greedy.
Diminish the power a downvote has and also increase the amount of voting power it uses by 10x.
Create a flagging and counter flagging system like I outlined, invalidating group efforts, gangstalking, piling on of flags, and bad actors from affecting reputation, and affording the community the tools to nuke these bad actors and curtail their accounts to creating content but not voting/curating or flagging, we are many they are few.
Nobody should spend their voting power on downvotes to counter self voting whales, nor should whales have to do that or expect them to, people should have a flagging system that affects visibility and reputation regardless of vests or reputation of the user. Repeated offenses should weigh more and more to discourage them. Without wasting voting power or need to do such, people can upvote content AND flag content that deserves it or counter flag flags and in turn affecting those flaggers reputations, while revealing the content and the authors reputation, worthy content shouldn't be hidden because of vests. Money rules policing is not a viable system of policing, give us the tools to make policing the community a breeze and a positive and empowering act.
Without this balance nobody will have any incentive to downvote these collusive accounts, outside their selfless altruistic ends, but even with nuked reputations these self voting whales/bad actors can still extract rewards through their self voting, arguably even more effective since they are permahidden.
Tie the curation to reputation over 30-40, so that sockpuppet account cannot upvote the main accounts, and tie the flagging system to over 55-60 reputation or possibly higher so that the majority of people that care about building the community can police collusive self voting behavior and those that resort to flagging for griefing can be stopped effectively without draining the users voting power on these fruitless endeavors.
Htooms has said that because of one flag that he received from fulltimegeek it has earned fulltimegeek 6 months of flags from his account, granted his spineless self has caved, probably because of the exposure I brought onto his evil, trollish self, and instead turned all his accounts onto me LOLOL, there is no way to counter such abuse.
In this respect, it clearly is not fair to ask people to upvote my comments and waste their voting power on something as fruitless as this, nor do I count on any such things and if people want to do that I suggest you find something of value and give it your voting power.
Unlike the "muh victim" @seablue who enjoys that support and adoration from her clique, I will much rather laugh at my attempted oppressors and go toe to toe with them by exposing them to the community again and again.
This flagging issue has been exacerbated recently and it won't go away soon enough.
It will continue to be brought into the spot light, even if I don't do it, because this has been a problem that keeps getting pushed farther and farther into the future by the excuse of "growing community, we will tackle it soon, it's not really a problem yet" and it's keeping the community from growing period, and losing trust in the vision and direction of the developers.
Just lower the exponent used in the vote formula that gives whales staggering influence. Change 2 to 1.1. This will accomplish much of the same without being a barrier to new users that have not acquired rep but choose to invest.
Just changing the voting curve won't fix the flagging system or stop sockpuppet account form colliding and extracting wealth from the community pool, nor will it stop them from hiding content and affecting visibility or pay. Why should investors have a say over these things if they don't want to invest in social media aspect, they have a number of other alternatives that allows them to invest in just that one aspect, why should they have a voice over pay and visibility if they don't wish to invest in human interactions..
That won't solve the inability to police accounts with large vests so those bad actors are above the law, and nobody should waste their voting power to negate self voting from whales, instead everyone should have the tools to flag such behavior and in turn curtail the account from engaging in that behavior, preventing any future need for policing that account.
"form colliding and extracting wealth"
Typos aside, it would indeed aide with that issue.
"why should they have a voice over pay and visibility if they don't wish to invest in human interactions.."
What other reasons do they have to invest? I think a big problem is that SP doesn't have much value and you are purposing to make it even less valuable.
How and why would it aid in colluding accounts extracting wealth through self voting/socketpuppet voting?
To be part of a never before kinda thing. Not just that your investors would not be part of the community just be a sockpuppet account, adding NO value to the community yet they should have a say over content? Why? To which you say because otherwise SP will not have value. Bullshit, SP has value over the reputation still in my suggested system, that doesn't change and it also is still tied to reward pool distribution, granted a flatter reward curve is needed.
You want to say that SP won't have value, because the big problem (gtfo, who's big problem, where is this BIG problem discussed and debated??) is SP doesn't have much value, so I am basically removing THE only reason they have to invest, as if the only reason they have to invest is to curate content and not contribute to the community, just to extract a little bit of wealth by bot voting or sockpuppet accounts for curation. Great, I don't want that to stop them from investing, because heaven forbid they go and invest in some other alt coin that doesn't have a social media platform on top of it.
"To be part of a never before kinda thing."
That is the kind of answer that investors laugh at.
You seem to not understand the vital role investors play in the ecosystem. You are missing half the picture in your vision. The reward pool is meaningless if the rewards have no value.
Mind you the ecosystem is broken right now because Steemit Inc has chosen to leave it broken for the time being. Once ads and buying ads with Steem happens there will be actual value.
Tinkering with rep based payout could make sense with the ads in place to keep to value up.
O really, all investors laugh at that?
Great, those people will be kinda short sighted and won't probably stick around anyway.
The big problem is that SP isn't useful?
Once ads and buying ads with steem happens, LOLOLOLOLOL. On the blockchain, LOLOLOL!