To my friends from TSU still searching for a new home: 10 things I like about Steemit and more

in #steemit8 years ago (edited)

Hi former TSU folks! This is the post I linked to over on Facebook’s TSU Veterans group. It explains 10 things that I like about Steemit, 8 things that are different from TSU, and 7 things where Steemit is more complicated than TSU. Of course, just like on TSU, all these photos are "original content"!

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I won this great prize artwork by "Dog a Day" on the Flower Pictures channel on TSU. You can check out her work on facebook at @idrawdogs.


I hope this post helps you compare Steemit to TSU and the other social platforms you have been exploring since TSU folded. If you have any questions once you sign up with Steemit, I’m happy to try to answer them and help get you started here with as little trouble as possible. I’ll also try to answer questions over on Facebook. I do hope to see you here on Steemit, though.

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10 Things I Like About Steemit

Here are 10 things that I like about Steemit, that I know TSU folks care about:

1. The comment system is great.

You can edit comments. There are nested comments, all visible with no extra clicking. When you are notified of a reply to a comment, you can go right to that part of the comment thread – you don’t have to scroll down looking for your part of the conversation.

2. The system is designed to encourage good conversations.

People can get rewarded for making good comments and having sustained conversations. You won’t see all those one word comments like these favorites: Nice! Great! OK

3. The potential monetary rewards can be so much greater than TSU was ever able to provide.

This is because Steemit payouts are not based on ad revenue or a few venture capitalists that might pull their money out. I’ve made over $40.00 in just 2 posts and a bunch of comments. Most of that came from one post on wild salads.

4. You should do no more than 4 main posts per day.

If you post more than 4 times, the payout on any of your posts is heavily penalized. This really cuts down on spam and puts the emphasis on good content and good conversation. A single post can have multiple photos, though, so photo essays are great! And you don't feel like you need to just keep uploading and uploading and uploading more photos.

5. There’s not much incentive for people to take your photos from Steemit.

Steemit loads fastest with images that are only about 858 pixels wide - not the highest quality, but they show up fine, especially on a phone or tablet. You don’t upload any photos to Steemit – you keep all your photos on your preferred image hosting site and just provide the link to that lower quality image. You can also provide a hot link to your high resolution image (like Flickr or Fine Art America), so someone can click on it if they really want to take the time and bandwidth to see the high quality image.

6. The developers are focused on making the system work for content creators and users.

I have seen them adapting to confront fake accounts, spambots, people who spam, trolls, and other attempts to game the system. That’s one reason you have to sign up through an existing Facebook or Reddit account. There is a big emphasis on verifying that content is not stolen, not just by saying “original content”, but by demonstrating it somehow, if people ask. There are ‘good bots’ that are combing Steemit content to identify any plagiarized posts, too.

7. The Steemit social platform is just one part of a larger enterprise.

Steemit is built on a software foundation that will grow to include other tools that integrate with that underlying software code. They implemented the social platform part first, to ensure the whole enterprise could scale up to the size of big social platforms, like Reddit and Facebook, and to test that all the parts really work. So they need people to be making posts and engaging with each other as part of a much bigger objective, and are willing to pay for that.

The development team is big, because it’s not just staff. It’s an open source project where all the priorities, software development, code review and approval, and new releases are managed in github, a long-standing repository for collaborative software development that anyone can see and even take part in.

8. Their economic model seems more secure than TSU.

There are a lot of investors in the system and it has a big market capitalization, over $100 million right now. In fact, anyone can invest their own cash in Steemit for a larger share of the whole enterprise. People can trade their shares on an open exchange, similar to a stock market exchange – so there are a lot of traders and speculators that benefit from Steem doing well. (Disclosure: I do not have any money invested in Steemit.)

You can load some of your money earned on Steemit onto a Visa debit card and use it anywhere that takes debit cards. Or you can cash out – but only by weekly checks over a 2-year period, like withdrawing from an annuity, so that people focus on the long-range success of Steemit.

9. There are financial safeguards in the system.

They are building escrow accounts so people can sell things or do contract work, but not risk losing their money up front. Your money is in stored in something more like a savings account than a checking account, with a time lag for getting money out, so that it can’t be drained by hackers.

10. Anyone can look at your Steemit posts.

Posts are showing up well in Google searches, so if you have a message you want to get out, people can find it. I could never find any TSU posts in a search! Here’s an example - my post on making salads from weeds, tree leaves, flowers, and seeds ranks #1 (how crazy is that!) when I do a Google search for “salads from weeds and tree leaves” and it's #3 from a search on “salads from tree leaves”.

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8 Things About Steemit That Are Different From TSU

There are some things about Steemit that are just different than TSU.

1. Steemit has implemented a reputation system.

This is something that TSU was aiming for, but didn’t get done. That means when you come in as a new user, you are low on the ladder. Even if you upvote someone else’s post or comment, you won’t have much influence. You get a higher reputation by posting, making comments, and making your tiny upvotes. It also means that people who plagiarize, try to buy upvotes, spam, or negatively flag other people, can have their reputation hurt really badly – so they will stop being a problem, or simply drop out of the whole system.

2. It’s not about the views!

In fact, nobody tracks how many views you get. Instead, it’s about whether your post will move people to give you one of their limited upvotes, which translates into earnings for you. This is to encourage quality content.

3. Steemit prefers long posts to short ones, generally.

I see a lot more posts that have a lot of writing, instead of the short comments that many photos had on TSU. That is not always the case, though. Take a look at the posts under the “Photography” tag to see the variety of what kinds of posts have been working well.

4. There is still a lot of development that will happen on the interface.

For example, people used to be able to put lots and lots of hashtags with their posts and now they can only choose 5 tags to include. Everyone has to go with the flow as the developers are testing and adapting, with the aim of making more effective engagement and better content. I guess that's not really so different from TSU, after all!

5. It’s mysterious about what makes a good post or not.

Posts that obviously took a long time to make can be good, but just not get attention or traction. But in general, you can see that people with a lot of loyal followers do pretty well, if they post consistently. It’s not enough for your followers or viewers to just look at your content – they need to leave a comment or upvote.

6. People have conversations on Steemit and in a separate Chat app.

To promote their posts and have casual chats, people use a different site with its own registration, at http://steemit.chat/home. That place is more like a discussion forum, and is organized into different topic areas, like gardening or beer. There’s no financial rewards for participating in the chat – just for posts within the Steemit social platform. But it’s a way to have groups and channels like on TSU, promote your posts, and have private discussions.

7. There are a lot fewer stolen images.

Steemit works to root out plagiarism, and there isn’t near so much mindless posting of memes as on Facebook. However, some people do use a lot of royalty-free stock photos, and images from Pixabay and places like that. It annoys me, but it is pretty easy to spot those posts and pass them by. The TSU standard of original content should stand out and go over well! People do seem to value original photos here.

8. There is no hidden information, whether it's posts, financial transactions, or system development.

All the posts, including comments, are archived, although comments, edits, and earnings are cut off after 30 days. There are tools for seeing who is earning how much money and from what kind of activity, who is trading their shares on the market, who is cashing out. There are forums for deciding the priorities for upgrading the system. A lot of people spend their time tracking and reporting on all that! You don’t have to pay attention to it, if you don’t want to.

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7 Things That Are More Complicated Than TSU

There are some things about Steemit that are complicated. They shouldn’t put you off from participating on Steemit, though! I hope not!

1. You need three different passwords.

Those passwords are long and generated by Steemit as strings of random letters and numbers. To make posts and upvotes, you will login using only the posting password. You will use the others when you are doing things related to moving money. These passwords are really important – you can’t just get a new one emailed to you, if you forget it. If you lose the top level password, you could lose access to everything. However, Steem just implemented a system for someone to personally vouch for you being the right person, if you do need to recover your account.

2. You have to learn Internet formatting.

Because Steemit posts have more text than TSU posts, they need real formatting, including different sections within a post, section headers, multiple images or videos, bold and italic type, highlighting of any quotes, hot links to other posts or external websites, and more. So you have to learn a little Markdown or HTML. There are editors to help out, but there is a learning curve, if you don’t already know how to do this. And it takes longer to actually make a long post, like this one.

3. Posts are organized differently than on TSU and you can expect changes.

There are categories that track posts like on TSU, including "Trending" - lol, it comes with the same controversy, too! But there are other categories, too. “Home” is your custom feed made from the posts of people that you follow. “Active” shows the posts that have had comments recently. I like it because it shows the posts where people are engaged in conversation. There are others, like “New” and “Promoted”. But for anyone new to Steemit, they are more complicated than they are worth to explain.

You can find posts by clicking on specific tags , like Photography, Food, and Gardening, from a list that's provided. There are other ways to filter your search, too, but I still haven't figured that out. There's no tag for Flower Pictures or Cats yet, I don't think. : (

4. Upvotes are what make you money.

You can get upvotes on an overall post or on comments. The value of an upvote changes all the time, even during the course of the day. That’s because a certain amount of money is made available specifically for voting, every day (I’ve seen something like $27,000 per day recently). As people are voting throughout the day, the value per changes.

Some people have a lot more voting power than others, and it changes all the time, too, as they are putting money in or taking money out of the system, or are earning money. As you make more money, you have more voting power. One person with a lot of voting power can make you a lot of money. Otherwise, it takes a lot of people voting with a little power to add up. (TSUvians unite!)

5. Your earnings are complicated.

Your post will make some money in the first 24 hours, and then it will continue to make money for 30 days. Then it’s archived – people can see it, but no edits can be made to it and it can’t get any more earnings.

When you see how much one of your posts has earned, that’s not how much you will actually get. Certain people that upvoted you in that first 24 hours will get some of that money, too, because they helped your visibility. And when you get your earnings, it’s in two parts: Steem Power and Steem Dollars. They can be swapped back and forth, but with time delays to keep people from gaming the system. The more Steem Power you have, the more influence you have with your upvotes and the more money you can earn by making upvotes. So a lot of times people will convert their Steem Dollars into Steem Power.

6. People earn money in different ways, too.

People earn money by “curating” content – identifying high quality posts and posts that will be popular, and upvoting them right away. This is a special skill that some people have cultivated over at Reddit. You have to have a fairly high Power level to earn money this way.

People also earn money doing computer tasks, called mining. This is keeping track, in a computerized ledger, of all the little transactions – posts, upvotes, transfers of money, and amounts in accounts - that are required for the whole system to work. It takes a lot of computer power, electricity to run those computers, and air conditioning to keep those busy computers cool enough. This is special work that needs fast, reliable computing power and people that are reliable, too, to keep their machines working fast, 24/7. This is where some of the big money is at, because this capability of securely documenting everything is the ultimate value of the whole enterprise, not just the social platform.

7. To get your earnings, it’s more complicated than just getting a TSU check in the mail.

You have to convert the internal system currency (Steem Power or Steem Dollars) into US Dollars. That means you have to go onto a currency exchange, like a stock exchange, to make the swap. The value of the Steem currency changes every day compared to US Dollars, just like the value of a stock changes from day to day, too.

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Well, that was a lot of reading, but I hope it helps you compare Steemit to TSU and the other social platforms you have been exploring since TSU folded. If you have any questions once you sign up with Steemit, I’m happy to try to answer them. I’ll also try to answer some over on Facebook. I do hope to see you here on Steemit, though.

There are a few people here already that were active on TSU, including @the-bitcoin-dood, @fpcvirtual (CloudExplorer on TSU), @uwelang, @steevc, and @infobunny. Be sure to say Hi to them, if you sign up here on Steemit, too! And here's a shameless plug -- be sure to follow me, Haphazard Homestead!

Note: I added the minnowsunited tag at the suggestion of @englishtchrivy. This is also a test of what happens when I try to edit a post within the 25 hour - 30 day window. I will remove the tag if the minnowsunited folks prefer.

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Another bunch of Tsu folks! I was on for a long time as well. As long as the Kevin Hinkle character from Tsu doesn't show up and isn't continually being spotlighted by EVERYONE like he was on Tsu, we'll be ok. ;-)

I haven't seen him here yet. But there are folks like that on every platform. I'm sure you will see a few. But there's lots of other food folks, too. Check out the #tsufamily tag and you will find more Tsu folks. There are quite a few here. And you can see them in the other comments here, too. Glad to have you here on Steemit and here's to great success and fun for you here! It's a complex and ever-changing ecosystem!

I will pass this post of yours to my good friends who found my convo about Steemit to be of interest. I know a great many bloggers who could do well out here. All I need to do is write up a great post about Steemit like yours, and onto Hubpages as I used to write daily blogs out there.

What I love about Steemit is the transparency of everything that is going on. The fact that you and others are out here to not only benefit from the community monetarily, but also here to help. That's the part that makes it worthwhile as Steem seems to attract good people somehow, and frown upon unfair practices dealing with how some folks both exploit and manipulate online communities. I also dig the rep score thing here as what other way could there be to tell who's put in more work than others as well as invested more time and efforts that actually count for something. As Follower stats can never become such a viable proof of such a thing good or poor web rep.

I do hope many more ex-TSuvians find Steemit to be a place they can adapt to and enjoy networking on besides the blogging aspects and potential earnings. I seek unity and earnings out here, and hope to connect with more amazing original content creator such as yourself. Oh and awesome blog.

Thanks, @fpcvirtual -- it took some time to put this together! I bet you know a lot of people who would be great contributors here!

I thought TSU was complicated and I thought it was the first platform to pay people for content, besides YouTube. Haha, how little did I know! I've learned a lot this last month. There have been so many platforms that pay people, but except for YouTube, they ultimately decline. I saw someone here on Steemit recently that had posted on NewsVine, which paid people for reporting news -- back in 2004! Now it is a shell, just used by NBC to manage comments on their sites.

It's funny how worried people on TSU were about the proposed reputation system. It wasn't ever explained, but here on Steemit I can see how important it is. I do hope to see more TSU folks here. I'm looking forward to the folks that you can bring here, too!

Welcome to Steemit. I was never on Tsu. I can help a bit on the payout method. Your actual payout for a post isn't locked in until the payout is made. So let's say the final post value is $160. Your author share is currently 75%. Curators split 25% ($40). You get $120. Half of that ($60) goes to your Steem Power which gives you voting power. You could "power down" your steem power but payout would be over 2 years. Now the other $60 you were paid would be paid out in Steem Dollars. If you want, you can transfer them to an exchange like Poloniex, convert the SBD to BTC there, and then move it to Coinbase or wherever you want e.g. Coinbase. Another important thing to note is that your steem dollars aren't currently worth $1 USD. The last price I saw was .82. There's a way to power up and move your steem dollars to steem power. I haven't done that. Hope this helps :)

Right there, that's the illustration that getting our money from Steemit is more complicated than it was on TSU, where we could just ask for a check when we had accumulated more than $100 in our accounts. I tried to keep my description very simple, without getting into the details. Your description of the payouts is a nice, clear addition. Thanks!
PS: I powered up the few Steem dollars I had last week. It takes a few days for it to go through, but it seemed like a simple process.

Yes, I found Steemit to be very confusing, but each day gets better :)

That's a good sign! : )

@haphazard-hstead it's not difficult here's a step by step tutorial with screenshot on that I followed the first time i had to - and it works . Just be careful and make sure your wallet has private keys. Good luck!

There a some things I haven't come to understand that I would still need help with. Do posts on steemit become like invisible on their own after like one or two days after they were posted? Or do they still get seen somewhere on a feed or somewhere. Posts don't seem to have any engagement like one or two days after they are uploaded. I am trying to establish if this is really true so as to know if to constantly, endlessly post. @haphazard-hstead mentioned that like 4 posts a day is what's recommended. If posts visibility does die after one or two days wont this mean constantly posting and certainly more than 4 posts a day? Too how about tagging people. Will it flag you if you tag people with say linking their posts? I mean like just tagging someone to announce or notify them that you have posted

Everything you post into Steemit, including comments, is stored. You can see the entire history of each person's blog posts by going to their page. And Steemit does a great job of getting a post to rank high in Googe Search, for posts that are about a specific topic. You don't want to make more than 4 posts a day. But you can comment all you want -- not a lot on one person's posts, but to connect with other people who have content you are interested in. There isn't a notification system, yet, in Steemit where they will know if you have mentioned them in a post. There is a link-bot that will notify you in a comment to your post, if someone has put a link to your post in one of their posts. So you can thank them! I don't see people tagging each other like they did on TSU. You can promote your posts in the Steemit chat platform (steemit.chat). Hope that helps. Here are some links:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@akareyon/a-realistic-integration-crash-course-for-social-network-migrants-to-steemit-com
https://steemit.com/steemit/@mikemacintire/your-steem-rewards-might-be-taxed-we-need-to-talk-about-the-huge-penalties-for-posting-more-than-4-times-in-24-hours

Ok I should check steemit.chat then. I tried steemit on slack but I think the link for that is broken

The Welcome group and the General group are great places to get questions answered. They have been very helpful for me.

On Blogging for Pennies

It is interesting to see a tsū person here on Steemit. After 6 weeks on Steemit, this is the first mention of tsū that I have seen. To me, this is strange because tsū was a major player in the blog-for-pay genre, IMHO.

I'll put things bluntly because that's the way I am...

It is easy to extract money from Steemit. On tsū, there was a $100 minimum of earnings before extraction. I busted my buns for weeks on tsū to amass a pile of pennies; no where near the required amount for withdrawal.

Here on Steemit it is possible to amass a pile of pennies and actually extract them into your bank account via cryptocurrency exchanges etc. This is definitely an improvement over tsū. If you investigate my account, you will see that I have earned hundreds of pennies from my posting over the weeks. The ability to withdraw Steem, Steem Power and SBD from Steemit.com is a simple fact.

Furthermore, if you already have fame and fortune in the media world, Steemit.com will reward you with 1000s of dollars because they desire established, proven content providers like "Dollarvigilante". However, I suspect that newbie Steemit stars also do arise, but I have no scientific evidence to support this claim other than what I see on Steemit.

The raison d'être and power of Steemit, IMHO, is it's transparent programmablility on a blockchain...

Blockchain technology is exploding and promises to make great changes to the way humanity does business etc. Steemit is open source and one can get right down and program whatever your heart desires. The collection of Steemit tools at http://steemtools.com/ is testitmony to this fact and this is only the crude beginnings of the potential for this platform.

Nevertheless, there are other players in the blockchain/cryptocurrency story like Synereo that are competing to be king rat of the crypto-blockchain-hill. Moreover, IMHO there are some fundamental issues in the blog-for-pay economic model that require resolution. On Steemit, "whales" make or break the blogger, unless one is content with blogging for peanuts and the kindness of strangers.

Regardless, the undisputable magic of Steemit is the unlimited possibilities for DIY creativity and discovery of things that have not yet been imagined in the blockchain/cryptocurrency milieu.

Thanks for commenting, @transhuman. I agree. The support for creativity here seems great and is really enhanced by the ability to do short-form and long-form work.

The way I think of the Steemit blockchain is that all the stock exchanges, electronic real estate transfer systems, credit card and banking systems, and more, all have computerized systems running in the background for tracking every little thing that's happening, down to the fraction of a stock share and fraction of a penny, including any stock splits and sales, every few seconds. The Steemit blockchain is doing the same thing, from an open source system with transparent outputs. They need the social network platform to test out and build out their overall system, with all the financial hooks and monitoring, like we see in the steemit tools being developed.

And steemit currency is just like stock in a company, but we can earn shares as well as buy them. We don't trade our shares on a stock exchange, but on a digital currency exchange, where the price fluctuates all the time depending on the available supply and demand.

It is a pretty amazing system! And the people have been pretty nice, too -- a real bonus! Steem on!

I wrote a post on tsu too but in another tone. More like okay, how do we find a home for the huge number of tsu users or ex-users looking for a haven for their posts as tsu halted

We would like to see all our TSU friends here, wouldn't we? : )

Most definitely but you will have a lot of tutoring to do!

haha -- that's ok. @kus-knee has challenged us all to mentor someone else as they come on to Steemit. I read so many documents that other people had taken the time to write, so I should do my part, too. I'm no expert, but if we share what we learn, we will do alright. Steem on! : )

Wow, I'm so happy I stopped by your blog. I came for the sunflowers, and still making my way over to that post. I was on tsu the whole time, I loved your write up. I just joined here about a week ago and still learning the ropes. I'm going to be passing along your article to some friends from tsu that I'm trying to bring over here! Well written post! Thanks for taking the time to put it together.

Thanks for commenting in here, @lyndsaybowes -- it's great to find more Tsu folks. I hope you can get a few more here, too. I think the Tsu community would do well here. They would certainly provide more diversity of interesting content -- and great photos.

And it's nice to have another gardener here on Steemit, too! Food can be everywhere, so easily.

Yeah, food unites us all, we all have to eat. Once we all remember how to produce our needs ourselves, or by sharing our skills with each other, it's game over for the corruption, of these, 'middle men' standing in the way of Evolution.

Hi I am from tsu too and amazing to get on here and see you. Funny how I wrote on tsu too and getting a home for the many tsu users since tsu halted. I am still basically new on steemit and still in the learning phase but I have put up several posts in this time. Not much engagement on them but it is all good. I was able to follow you and I don't know if my up vote has value yet but I up voted all the same

Thanks, @surpassinggoogle! I'm glad to see someone else from TSU over here and I wish you the best here on Steemit. It takes some learning, but I see in your posts that you are getting the hang of it!

Lemme quickly ask one question and thanks a lot for all the answers so far: does only the first hashtag of the 5 work? Or do the other 4 hashtags also have effect? Do you have experience with that, where you get to see your post appear within the categories of the other 4 hashtags used?

The other hashtags work too. You can see that if you go to the list of tags on the right hand side of the main steemit page (steemit.com). Click on Gardening, for example, and under Trending you can see posts that had their first tag in some other group. But they are still showing up under Gardening because that was one of their tags. So having too many of your tags be for giant groups, your post might get lost. It's helpful to choose some of those tags on the list to the right. Hope that helps!

I hadn't heard that Tsu had folded. I stopped using it after that one reorganization where I could no longer figure out how to find anything, or post anything.

We were all surprised at the start of August, to be greeted by a screen saying that's all, folks. At least we got to download our images, texts of our posts, and our list of followers (not our friends though). But people liked each other there and are still trying to find a place that values good photography and good conversation. Thanks for commenting, too, @plotbot2015! It's nice to connect with someone from TSU -- reorganizations did not go over well there!

Did the ad revenues in your accounts all evaporate as well?

For everyone with less than $100 in their accounts, yes -- gone for good! You can guess how folks liked that! : (

I'm sure. Glad I left early, before devoting any more effort to it.
I liked your wild salads article, by the way, and am now planning some photo-essays on the stuff I grow (and find).

Thanks, @plotbot2015, for your comment about my wild salads article. I'm looking forward to your posts about what you are finding. I ended up running the Foraging channel at TSU and it was fun.

I was on Tsu pretty much from the beginning until it crashed. I was lured on by the promise of money so I continued to work longer than was reasonable.

Never made a dime.

Hi, fellow Tsu veteran -- I'm glad to see you here! I hope you do a lot better here on Steemit!

Even though I didn't make any money on Tsu, I had never been active on a social platform like that. It helped me appreciate my own photos and connect with some nice, interesting people that really supported creativity. For that, I'll be forever grateful.

This is so very interesting @haphazard-hstead ! I think there are changes that occur since this 9 months old post, like the fact that a post is available now only 7 days to be resteemed, since this has bee payed out it won't earn rewards after that, isn't it ? And was it 30 days at the time of your post..?
In any case I have to save this link to come back and read all the comments later, thanks a lot for this great information ^_^

Yes, here are the differences:

  • the payout now is 7 days, instead of 30 days,
  • you can make more than 4 posts per day,
  • you can upload directly to Steemit now, but it's still better to keep them small for dfast uploading and fast viewing,
  • short posts seem to be preferred to long ones now.

I think everything else is still pretty true. Good luck on Steemit!

thats a great one, and so organized. mine was rather a spontaneous on the go one. I wish the articles could keep making money no matter how old they are

I"m glad you liked this comparison, @jumowa. It would be nice for old posts to keep earning on Steemit. That's what I like about YouTube. My videos can still make money years after I've posted them. It is too bad that Steemit posts don't. I carved out my content from some posts, early on. But I kind of regret it. I think we are supposed to be able to edit old posts eventually, maybe this year.

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