A question for you

in qanda •  8 months ago  (edited)

This might be considered a shit-post, and I'd be more than happy to receive the #shitpostoftheday award from the recently returned @nonameslefttouse, but I was having a conversation with someone this morning which sparked the question below.

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I'm unsure if I actually have any followers left that choose to delegate to bid-bots, that's fair and understandable, but if anyone with stake that is currently delegating to bots is reading this, I would like to hear your answer to the following:

Hypothetically, (as this will not happen) if bid-bots (or promotional services as we are supposed to be calling them) disappeared overnight, would you?

a) Look to trade/sell votes in the 'black market'? e.g. off-chain / via memo

b) Delegate to apps, @steem-ua, etc, for some 'no hassle' ROI

c) Curate

d) Powerdown

e) A mix of the above

f) None of the above - I have a better idea...

I'll set a @steem-bounty on the post and as Steemvoter is currently broken, will give a little more than my usual 3/4 cent up-vote to the most interesting responses.

Enjoy your weekend!

Asher

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I just want to use my steem power actually. The fact that this is not profitable is sad to me. So ideally I would just upvote people and receive curation reward.

I think to make steem work we need to make it so that who or what you upvote does not make a difference but the fact that I do does. So essentially I would a vip system that rewards activity x sp.

But even without this I would still want to just use my sp, which I doanyhow.

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a vip system that rewards activity x sp.

Interesting. I'm wondering if a token could be created with this in mind. Ideally, SP/Curation/Delegating to BC growth projects would be all that's required to gain a healthy return on SP - this is my hope for the years ahead.

Cheers!

I do wonder if they would power it down and try to invest in other things. If all they care about is ROI I don’t expect them to be holder of Steem once that avenue is gone. This does not mean however our own ecosystem could not provide other investment opportunity.

While my own holding are not massive in Steem Monsters. Since prices are listed in Dollars and despite the decline in Steem they are still going up in dollar amounts.

Perhaps SMT and other digital assets could hold some potential future for people to want to invest in those over the bid bots.

End of the day we just need more options. Image if a company grew up on our blockchain and you could have bought shares in that company with Steem that funded their future and allowed them to power up to support salaries, promotions, and other stuff. Who would care about ROI of a bidbot if you could get kind of returns a startup could yield in a few years by investing in it.

So many seem keen on trying to tie up every Steem out there into SP. The less SP the more votes are worth. As long as there is an ecosystem to support and utilize the higher amount of Steem that just look like a very healthy economy.

If to many try and invest in bidbots by massively converting into SP then votes powering network wide just decrease per vest. There will be a point where they will need to power up so much more just to make a few extra cents that it won't make sense to do so. Which is the long term issue they are facing when it comes to ROI.

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Cheers @enjar :)

I do wonder if they would power it down and try to invest in other things. If all they care about is ROI I don’t expect them to be holder of Steem once that avenue is gone. This does not mean however our own ecosystem could not provide other investment opportunity.

Well yes, it's not gone and curation is still fairly lucrative if compared to 2/3/4/5% on your savings account.

Steemmonsters has also proved to be a decent investment thus far, especially for those who bought early - I have a few.

The 'more options' are being worked on I believe, and hopefully, SMTs will provide what you discuss - we only need one to do well to cause a stir :)

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Hi there could you point me to the nearest 2% savings account beacuse I'm getting like 0.1% right now....

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It depends on which country you live in. Don't be surprised to see 6% for savings accounts. But these countries tend to be developing countries and many times the currency devalue against USD. But you can manage to get 2+% effective gains on savings accounts. It's a little risky and involve a lot of work. I'd say just buy crypto instead. MCO might probably release their crypto card: https://www.reddit.com/r/MCOCrypto/comments/9eg61c/complete_guide_to_mco_for_beginners/

They also own this domain name: https://crypto.com (that's Huuuge!)

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Wow that is a really nice domain. I heard a little bit about MCO last year, I am going to have to do a bit more research because a card would be really useful for me.

Did you finally get your hunt airdrop? I saw they were pulling the plug on september 13th so I got mine.

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Yep. I collected my part and made a post to spread the message to my followers too. currently I have over 12K+ HUNT Tokens. I'm curious to know about how people would value the platform I made a post asking the community but no reply came: https://steemit.com/market/@vimukthi/dear-world-how-would-you-value-steem-hunt-a-mini-analysis-on-the-token-economics

I've been following MCO since the ICO and launching on exchanges with 400+% gains on the first day after release. I'm kind of afraid of getting a card for myself because my parents might think I've got enough to support myself (currently I'm living 100% on my parents)

I actually powered down this week from supporting a bid bot once I get that SP back I want to increase my delegation on Steem-UA

We need more projects like this that require huge amounts of SP and are productive! There’s so much liquid SO on the market as people keep selling so we should look to pick it up cheap and put it to good use! My hope is that Plenty of people who left the platform due to pricing esp the ones who made money on the old format will come back surprised that those same tactics don’t work anymore and you cant just hit and run whenever you feel like it!

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I actually powered down this week from supporting a bid bot once I get that SP back I want to increase my delegation on Steem-UA

And for this line, you can have a vote :)

I know some who try the hit and run, and told me after the last rise they wish they hadn't - but have since left again!

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I put some glitter on it for you because I know you like that kind of thing.

I don't know what I'd do. Probably just more of the same things I've been doing since I started here two years ago. Blogging, voting for others... I don't see why that's a problem.

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is there a way to get a notification of these each day?
Perhaps a new Dapp with Steemit delegation.

"dSP"

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Fuck yes!!!! My day is complete!

Yeah, you mean what some of us have been doing for a while? It's a gamble, but it just might work!

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How did I not know this was a thing???

And the glitter is very fitting for Ash...

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At the height of it's popularity, I went poof for over a month and I guess it died along with me. The shit and I are back from the dead though. You might see it around again, where it belongs, from time to time, maybe, if shit starts weaseling it's way back under my skin, which I hope doesn't happen, because I have a tendency of making a scene.

f) If bid-bots disappeared overnight, we'd finally get back the THRILL - those amazing moment when you just submit your new entry and have no idea if a whale will show up and boost it to the top... or not.

#goodoldtimes

Thanks for asking!!! Not a shit post at all...:-)

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For sure!

Although I suspect those days are gone. Maybe in 20 years when I'm a whale I can help them return?! :D :D

B, C, and F, I might start to self vote. I don't know if that falls under C or not. But I do have a second account that I would likely try to build more SP into so I might do more posting on it and throw a vote there every now and then. Trading votes is sort of kind of going on. There are a few accounts that I personally value and I give a full upvote to, community accounts. Currently 2 but one I am not sure is a community I really belong to just really support. One of the others I was giving a vote on was to help account build another community type account. And one is the account of the Community I feel that I belong to/in. So while these are curation sort of votes, they are also sort of trade votes, because I generally get voted back although I really do not expect it.

I have a relatively small account, and still end up running my vote power down to the mid or lower 80% range over the last few days, I would be lying though if I said I had no problem finding things to "vote" on. There seems to be a lack of new content to give votes to that I am interested in. It seems a few have left, and those remaining seem to have slowed down posting, and commenting. Meanwhile my posting has seemed to increase, and commenting has decreased.

One of the choices you should have added was join a curation trail, but I guess that kind of is curate, but curatation by proxy, and often people do not know what they are voting on. If it came down to where bid/vote-bots disappeared over night then some of the curation trails might be cleaned up, I think we are seeing that now with the upcoming HF20.

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Self-vote, yeah I knew I'd miss something obvious!

. And one is the account of the Community I feel that I belong to/in. So while these are curation sort of votes, they are also sort of trade votes, because I generally get voted back although I really do not expect it.

I don't think that sort of trade is necessarily a bad thing.

And yeah, a curation trail is an option, although if seeking reward, perhaps not the best.

Cheers for the feedback!

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how did you miss that one?

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Dunno, it's just not on my mind I guess 😛

I don't think they will choose c to curate. This will cost to much time with a revenue that will be to low. Especially if you look at the time spend in relation to the revenue.

Option b another dapp will most likely only be chosen if that brings a nice return. I don't know if these are available.

Option a selling votes at the black market could be their best alternative. You actually only need one active Steemonian and upvote all his posts + comments. And that Steemonian then needs to transfer (for example) 75% of the Steem revenue to the whale.

If someone is a little active him/her self, then I would go for option f and self vote as much as possible.

I think a few investors are just in Steem to gamble on a very big increase. They probably won't stop gambling and just go for some dapp with a little return.
Investors that are only in with a small amount purely for the money could power down and turn for example to EOS.

This is my hypothetical answer 😁

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'They'? I'm asking you :) Not much time to set up an auto on 50 of your favourite authors really...

B would need to show a least some return for most, but it's nice to delegate to projects that support the community and don't provide a return.

Selling votes via memo used to be popular and quite obvious - this was at a time we had 'good' whales who would take action.

I can't believe I missed selfies off the list :D

Thanks for your feedback!

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To be honest I never understood why there was a black market for vote selling since it was much easier to upvote your own comments. All one needed to do was write 10 comments a day. But maybe I'm missing something.....?

My main delegations are to @steem-ua @steem-ambassador @actifit @adollaraday @promo-mentors and @oracle-d : mostly because I think they add value (both in financial and community sense), some of these could create a demand for STEEM and help the currency appreciate in value. So my answer is (E) having a preference for (B) and (C). I might power down a bit when/ (if) we hit $4.50 again, as it might be sensible to take a bit of profit.

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Sound delegations for me, and i like those choices.

I'll certainly be looking to take some off the table if/when the next rise comes too.

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Sounds good! Will you be looking at @p r o m o - m e n t o r s?
Jk :P

I would go with E- a mix of the above.
Two of which I do now- curate and delegate.

I have never used "bid bots" and never will. All manual curation.

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A mix is fair isn't it? :)

What's this qtip account? Do they up-vote all your comments? :)

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Qtip is an upvote account for staff and moderators of qurator. I'm the newsletter writer so I get... I believe, one qtip upvote a day on a comment I make.

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Ahh, that's pretty cool :D Thanks for the info!

I suspect they would never power down. Most big sp holders haven't actually bought their stake so aren't traditional investors as it were. They would find sooner or way to make the daily cash or which of course curating would be best!

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Yeah, stake came cheap to many large SP holders and so even a 10% return each year sounds rather good to me. Which I think you can get by delegating to projects and curating.

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Definitely, in the past many gave out the task of curating to others on their behalf so it is still no hassle to do so.

F. Already doing it. I'm not using bots as I want content to rise on it's own merit and I'm powering down, not because I'm moving it off platform, but just so I can move it off platform when needed just like the speculators who seem to always have the last word. Kind regards.

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I wonder if I should have more liquid in case something exciting happens to the price, but for now I'll be sticking to the speculation that SP is a good hold. Cheers for the resteem!

You just made me to imagine of steemit without bid-bots.....no MB, No Smartsteem, no Buildswhale....bla bla...uuff...
Out of all the option b and c make some sense....chosing "b"for investing in steem-ua or curating by mysrlf i.e "c"

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I've had suggestions that Steem(it) would die without them.......

(b) and (c) would work for me :)

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We should have a "bot day off". No bid botting for a single day and let see how thing would go.

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would have to be at least a week to allow stakes to be returned, but i'd like to see that :)

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You just made me to imagine of steemit without bid-bots...

I've just realized that we have a bunch of users, who never saw another Steemit... without any bid-bots... you know, it was not the worst place for blogging, much better than that we have now. IMO

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Well when i began my journey..randowhale use to be very active...and buildawhale started to tKe shape...there was one more..which i forgot....so i hope it was starting phase of bid bot @erikaflynn i enjoyed that time too..and even now..👌

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You'll notice my vote on this post is not as strong as it usually is. That's because, life has taken hold of my free time in a huge way. While I haven't delegated to a bidbot, I have used the delegation market in order to get a return on investment while I can't use my Steem power in my usual manual curation mode.

I feel like this "market" allows delegators to take advantage of delegatees, as unless you're really lucky, or good! (Or front run bid bots) it is hard to get genuine bang for buck in curation awards, based on the increasing effort to filter through shitposts (like this one) to get to the real gold.

JK about this being a shitpost.

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haha :D

Times are tough at the moment, and I suspect even the bot income isn't exactly saving you on it's own.

The delegation market, if going to a good source (are they curating? probably not) is reasonable. There is money to be made setting some well timed up-votes, although admittedly, not the same ROI by a distance.

I have grown my account organically so far. Never self voted and never used a bid bot, dunno if ever wanting to promote sonething significant I would use one, but I am against abuse, it could beva promotion tool turned into a way to mine via shitposting most of times.
I would curate, I curate not tonmine but to encourage with mynhumblevminnow feedback. I got a big delegation this month so I can spread more love even if temporary.
The steem ua I still do not get much, i love the idea of a fairer rep calculation but delegating to get upvotes and increasing by delegating isnt a bit like self voting? Meno and pechi recommended and I will delegate a small amount but i think and or hope a fairer idea is not turned rigged too.

My idea, I would keep on posting
And without bid bots if content found worth msybe it would reach more exposure once all bought content is filtered. Nothing against promoting something but

Would it be that difficult to split trend into promoted content and not?

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Hi @yidneth

I like your approach to Steem, and it seems like you would not turn to self-voting if you were delegating to a bid-bot and they disappeared :) I would continue as I am too, curating and delegating, and work on my posting.

Would it be that difficult to split trend into promoted content and not?

It would be some work to keep up to date with all the bid-bots, but this is possible and may happen in the future. @trufflepig tries to do this each day I think.

Thanks for your comments, and have a nice week :)

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Thank you, I try not to say what I would do in the future but I do not thinknI would change my mind. I think if you are doing a charity or something for others a self vote is not a bad thing. But as an artist selvoting my own opinion or art would feel a bit vain to me, and I am not judging just saying how I feel it.

Truffled listed me yesterday as no bidbot trending. Happens sometimes,honestly feels more rewarding to me.

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Sorry edited and still typos I struggle phone phone

Well I am not delegation to bid bots. So nothing would change to me. My main income is based on the busy.pay, steembasicincome, upvoteshares and investorsclub upvotes. Since yesterday I have increased my delegation to steem-ua to 250. That was a hard decision, because for me it is now impossible to upvote the comments I do receive occasionally on my posts!
Still I do believe that it will be a good investment for the future, both for me and my followers. It will only take 125 weeks to get the investment back 🤔
Based on an avergae $2 upvote per week! And steem worth $1. Due to the low price of steem it will ofcourse increase!
Maybe for me it wouldbe a great thing because there would be more curation power and because ny posts are sooo interesting I would get more upvotes 😁
Did you collect your first paycheck?

Cheers,
Peter

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I think it's a worthwhile decision for an everyday poster, good stuff! 125 weeks though :O

I wasn't paid, some bs excuse about maxing out her card for the day and not having enough in the til! The 2nd part I know is true, but I think some stall tactics at play here. Don't worry though, I'll get it one way or another!

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f) I believe an unmentioned opportunity might be a huge one for many, and even start competing with bid-bots in the nearer future: delegating to the SMT projects that will be launched and will hand out their tokens to those who delegate!

I did it for a few weeks: 200 delegated SP gave me about 200 HUNT tokens a week. Now, these HUNT tokens will be tradable for STEEM once SMT's are 'live', but also, HUNT tokens will be spendable in their own ecosystem that will be expanded with a review site and a Kickstarter alternative - brilliant if you ask me!

I can see a future where delegating to SMT's is way more interesting (not just ROI, but honestly interesting because the projects tickle the imagination) than delegating to bid-bots, heck, bid-bots might even die out slowly because delegators pull their stakes so they have 'free' SP to support a cooler project with.

The biggest SP holders might find it an interesting alternative where they can diversify their portfolios without having to cash out or trade their STEEM.

(And yup, the downside, although not part of the topic, is that also smaller SP holders will start delegating to these projects, and less and less SP will be available to upvote content with. Which then might be compensated with the fact that SMT's will give alternative upvote possibilities. And so on and so on.)

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Yes that is an option, that will hopefully save Steem's ass :) Unfortunately, we don't know as yet how much the hunt-tokens will be worth...

A profitable alternative, yet to be devised would be nice, I'm just not sure anything is likely to compete in the near term.

And I totally agree with your final point, lets hope there is an SP scramble in future by companies to reward their people :D

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I've actually now undelegated everything from smartsteem and just have a small delegation to minnowbooster - mainly as I just like getting some actual SBD.

It seems sounder to delegate to the dapps which I do and dollaraday.

I still like a mix of curating and ROI investing but once SBDs start printing again I'll probably withdraw the mb delegation.

I quite like having a fat wad of SP anyway, even if it's worth a lot less than a while ago.

Your just trying to game your UA score here aren't you?!?

I guess a mix of B and C is what I'm doing now I've got more time to steem.

Although as far as return on time (rather than $return) is concerned I'd be better off working in a bar one evening a week rather than blogging on steem.

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(b) and (c) are good choices in my opinion, and yes, of course I am :P The thing is though, I've been trying to 'game' UA for a year and a half :P

At present, a shift at the bar is about the same as a post for me - Do both in a day and I feel loaded!

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I can't remember who it was now but someone mentioned that once you factor in time, then most people on here would be better off just earning fiat and then buying steem with it via an exchange.

They had a point!

And fair play re the gaming UA.

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Funny that you mention that, I was just thinking this myself...

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Or maybe more sensibly... just working in a bar and spending your fiat on food etc....

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Ha ha, Yes! Just experiencing life instead of blogging about it! That had also crossed my mind recently as I'm not sure if I want to be a 'professional' blogger... At least in terms of time invested!

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In terms of my earnings on wordpress I worked out I'm on about £20/ hour... thanks to the magic of passive income.

Steemit on the other hand has contrubited practically nothing to the coffers.

Life offline is much nicer.

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I'm reblogging your post because I have followers who are using bots. Let's see if they are going to answer your questions.
I've never used bots and don't intend to use them in the future either. I'd rather curate, pick someone new who could use my help, upvote and reblog his/her posts on a daily bases. Also I did two delegations also to help.
As about myself, I prefer to earn my upvotes, no matter how small or big they are. Will I be rich and successfull here? I have no idea, that remains to be seen. This is the way I think it's correct and this makes me happy. I have my conscience clear.

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Thank you!

Well i cant answer that for you either, but I appreciate the road you are taking :) See you en route!

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Thank you, have a nice weekend and see you tomorrow, let's see if I can make any list of yours :)

I still have a very small amount delegated to a "promotional service". But as we are seeing more and more excellent apps arriving to the blockchain I tend to delegate to them, as you mentioned "for some 'no hassle' ROI".

I don´t think that option A is a viable one, especially with the current price of STEEM. And for sure the option D is completely dumb, because the future is bright.

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The future is uncertain, but I will side with 'bright' also. I don't think now is the right time to sell up.

Thanks for your feedback :)

The only 'bot' I delegate to is @isotonic that supports the running community. My issues are with the big ones that give massive votes to posts that don't really deserve that. I have delegated to @steem-ua as they seem keen to help the community and I get something from that.

I wouldn't miss the 'bots' if they went, but I don't see any way to actually ban them.

I guess my answer is really c as I curate manually anyway.

Your 'shit post' has done pretty well.

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I have not looked into @isotonic, but see you are not the first to mention it.

@steem-ua look to be distributing stake better than anything else at present, and have my support too.

Shit-posts can be engaging too I guess :D

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Some 'shit posts' may be funny, but I won't do anything to encourage those who use them as an excuse for a big self-vote. They are not helping matters at all, but they can get away with anything as nobody will take them on.

I don't use bid bots or self vote. My curating is done manually and I, often upvote small accounts that I try to encourage with comments. I have not delegated tovSteem-Ua. But then I guess I never have been here to make money. I joined Qurator early on because it was started by friends and I wanted to support them. For me it is all about making new friends and being social and bid bots are not very friendly! So to answer your question , if bid bots disappeared ? It would make absolutely no difference to the way I do things here.

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... if bid bots disappeared ? It would make absolutely no difference to the way I do things here.

Good to hear, and the same for me :D

I think @steem-ua is worth a shot for regular posters.

Economically thinking the return is very low right now from bidbot delegation. One can earn more with same SP by curating manually considering the low STEEM prices.

If there is no bidbot - my answer is (e) - some would sell votes manually (this is happening now) and self vote, some would power down and go away, many would delegate to projects and earn rewards. But less of those delegators would manually curate as it takes a lot of time.

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I assumed that ROI wouldn't be great right now with delegation to bots, but likely still way ahead of anything else?

Curation can be automated, but the best results are still found front-running large bids on low valued posts :(

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Leasing SP to others can earn slightly more ROI than bidbots but obviously differs bot to bot and lease to lease deals.

Yes, you are absolutely right. Only front-running large bids or large self-voters can earn huge curation. I am running a kinda ethical one, so can say it firsthand.

Bid bots or not, I would continue to delegate most of my stake to the asapers project and delegate to @steem-ua.

But it would definitely be interesting to see what people would do in case it happened.

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The suggestion to me was that most would choose (d).....

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Well, I think that a bunch of people would do whatever they could to find another way to earn, but if they couldn't find anything as lucrative as bid-bots, I'd say that they would go with option D.

That being said though, most of the people I'm referring too in this scenario, are what I'd call takers, and I wouldn't mind to see them gone.

A and C - so E.

I sell my votes when I have idle voting power and I manually curate stuff I like. I like less than 10 things on most days, so there is some vote selling that gets sprinkled throughout.

And am I the only one that thinks steem-ua is just a dumb idea?

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Fair enough :)

Personally, as a stake distributor, I like steem-ua. Why is it you are not a fan?

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I just think blindly counting followers is a dumb way to calculate authority. There are huge numbers of spam accounts that simply follow large accounts, which renders the statistic meaningless.

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No, you are not the only one @nealmcspadden. ;)

I have not delegated to a bid bot - I might consider UA but still open questions. Powerdown no option only it really is necessary for important life issues. Black market no way, curating sure - always doing in certain areas but in general quite broad.

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Sounds like a positive mix of the above overall. @steem-ua still has a long way to go, it might be worth a delegation to try - 250SP isn't a huge sacrifice for a dolphin and can be pulled back if you are not happy.

Cheers!

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Yes agreed - hence I will probably try that delegation but I am not convinced yet - too many open questions and no way you get an answer :-) but we want the platform to grow so let us see.

I think the most likely they will choose A or self-vote, if they are used to the passive income bidding bots give.

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booo :D

Passive income is available through curation, it's just seemingly not 'enough' for many.

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Could be enough for them too before seeing others maximise profit with vote selling/self voting, etc.
It's human nature I guess, profit is somehow tempting.

f) None of the above - I have a better idea... In fact I have no idea because I am new here and I dont know how they work, but thanks to you I will go learn about the bots 😉

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LOL

I would suggest learn about @steem-ua first :D

i would curate more, and be way more active. but at the same time with bid votes its a for sure way to use all of your votes through the day and make money off of it. at the same time you could just make 8 posts a day and 100% upvote every one of them and its the same? idk! im all about passive income and this is a perfect way for passive income right now, but im also active on steem. i think its perfect the way it is right now!

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This is what I like to hear :) You could also set some auto-votes up for your favorite authors which would save some voting time and perhaps boost rewards a little.

Self-voting should have been on the list, what an oversight! Cheers!

As I'm already doing B and C and have never made D, I do not think that something would change for me here
If we had such happiness and all the bid-bots simply disappeared overnight, I would probably have made pizza or cake and celebrated this great event.

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:)

I think it would be an interesting experiment, but it is unlikely to take place. Nice gif!

Very interesting question, I don't anyway but personally I think curation is the best way forward. Of course the argument is manual curation is a little too much like hard work for investors looking to earn a "passive" income - but using something like steem-auto fanbase you can automatically vote on your favourite content creators and earn from curation rewards.

In an ideal world we would of course all be using our "Proof of Brain" to apply appropriate upvote based on the post quality and then leave a comment - in reality unless you have 24/7 to spend on steemit that is an impossible dream.

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It is an impossible dream to do with your own account for sure, this is one of the reasons to support manual curation teams - although you don't make ROI there at all, unless you join the right trail I guess.

I would choose to curate and delegate too - business as usual for me.

La ruta de curacion es una buena opcion,

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Yo tambien pienso lo mismo!

Qanda! took me a while to decipher your lingo!

I actually am delegating to a bot of sorts, not a bid bot but a membership bot of which I am not a member haha, and am thinking of changing that delegation to accelerator, which is a curation effort.

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:D

I was delegating to accelerator but noticed that it did look like a bid-bot (wallet sends?) Let me know if you un-earth more details!

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I will dig in, now that I have motivation from the prince of analysis!

well I dont have any SP leased out, but if I wasn't delegating so much for free I would do more of C

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We like C :)

I would choose e without d 😂 power down when steem in the worst value wouldn't be a nice idea😂 I use kiwibot to replace my self-vote😊

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Without bots you would use kiwibot? :D

(d) doesn't sound the wisest option at present

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😂😂😂 I think it's a bit similar to steem-ua, minnowshare or steembasic income, anyway what about dustsweeper😉 don't we consider her as bot?

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I consider everyone to be a bot until I meet them :P

Haven't used any bid bots... do use Steemvoter, to help ... the way the feeds are and with friends spread out around the World/time zones you'd miss a lot without it. When I'm around I do a lot of manual curation and commenting (Partiko is a nice addition to the tool set). I've delegated a bit to Steem-UA and intend to do more.

But it would be business as usual for me... although a team of AI servants... naw, never mind.

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:D

Sounds like you have a similar approach to me, cheers!

I'm no longer using bot upvote service. I have used their services several timesbefore, to come to conclusion that with what I have it wouldn't make much differences. And so, it has been my commitment to not using them anymore eventhough I have much to trade. I don't know whether something will change my demeanor in the future. II guess I'd have to live to see.

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Seems to be a case of go big or go home if you are planning to 'promote' - 200/300 STEEM should do it :)

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Yes. And to have 300steem parked in wallet, i guess one needs to have at least been a dolphin (1000sp or so). 😀 Because before it reaches that number, I would prefer powering up, and maybe when I reach 1000sp i would keep powering up.

Right now I have +20steems parked in my wallet, I'm planning on using them to finance a communal account activities, like rewarding 2 steemians under rep 50 every week. So yes, it's been a while since I do manual powering up.

Well my SP is low but definitely C or A if I no longer have the time to keep engaging

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Fair enough! :D

I will go for B, i like to diversify mi Sp

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B is nice, feels good to diversify and have a thumb in many pies :)

I would use steem as if I am using facebook and would not care much about money. Upvote whatever I like, share whatever I want to share. And of course I would concentrate on Steem Power insted of coin, like I do now.

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Sounds like a good approach to me, glad to hear it from a newer member too 👍🏾

Is there a difference between bid-bots and things like @treeplanter and at @isotonic?

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Not really no. I assume you can delegate to either for a return on investment.

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I did a really long answer to this and then lost it 😎. So in short it would be "e". Maybe some people would be lost through "d". I think bidbots have a place though, especially for community benefit.

I'm so new to this your post completely went over my head. Poke the noob time peeps :D

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oops :D

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Thankyou very much for the bounty it is really appreciated.

Assuming for a moment that I did have money invested in this platform, my investment strategy tends to be long term, rather than short term. Based on which, my strategy would be to place my funds in ways that would best serve the long term appreciation of what we might call the Steem "project."

I wouldn't be trying to answer "how to get current income," I'd be trying to support "how do I best serve a path that turns my 100K SP into 500K in three years." Or something like that.

To a (usually) neophyte investor, the whole idea of "I can make $100 a day!" sounds really exciting and inticing... but current income typically PALES in comparison to appreciation of a solid underlying asset appreciating. And they usually work against each other. If you drain cash from a company, it has less left over to fund its growth.

And consider this: "$100 a day" for three years is a pittance compared to natural appreciation from $100K to $500K in three years. But we have a lot people here for whom Steem represents the first time they've had a lot of money... so they are (many, anyway) fumbling around in the dark, on this.

So my answer would be (E) in some form. Delegate to projects and communities whose primary focus was building community and building the user base with perhaps a little to Steem-UA and some curation guilds.

=^..^=

I would like to choose (e) becasue I will probably do (b) and (c).

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Right on, (b) and (c) I likely what I would choose to, as that's what I'm currently doing :)

The Answer is B

Personally I prefer manual voting over everything else. I have delegated to @steem-ua @smartsteem and @qurator small amounts of VESTS. Then I have set up my account to sell votes on @smartsteem and @minnowbooster when I have more than 99% VP remaining.

I'm already doing a lot of manual voting. So if bots disappear, I'd either do nothing t all or just delegate for DAPPs.

Little Bit on F

Joining curation trails is a great idea. I'm a mod of @akibasteem [Discord] (https://discord.gg/5PtVd2e) and we only started our account. So if I had to go on the passive route, I could just follow some curation trails and support certain communities I like.

I voted your content because you are on my whitelist.

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I am a newbie and I am trying to learn everything about steemit. Including bots too. Let's see what do they do, and how effective and useful they are. But I like this bounty system too. :)

I don't use bid-bots as you know but I'm interested in the answers of those that actually do @abh12345.

If I stop blogging I would probably go down the delegation route, simply because it seems to be one of the easiest.

I can't imagine powering down for a long time. My account is too small for it to make any difference.

I'm not sure I would delegate to @steem-ua though. Am I the only one who's not in love with it? 😂

Hope you've got time for some fun this weekend in between writing posts, doing the engagement league and working in the bar.

Have you been paid yet?

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Am I the only one who's not in love with it? 😂

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For many investors, selling its SP is an excellent opportunity to profit especially without wasting time. so that similar services will exist for a long time.

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I'll go for x, y, z ...that's how I'm used to start typing my name. 😊

Going for the f for me will mean delegating to community bots. I prefer to be a part of some niche community of my interest.

BTW, your post has made me thinking if @steem-ua is offering any "no-hassle" ROI. I won't like to miss on it too. I should check it. I had delegated 250 SP to that project, which I thought was the maximum for expecting some return. However 100 SP was the best option if high RoI was the objective. So no idea how delegating more to that project will help in receiving higher returns. I don't have a good rank or following, so yeah, I don't think I'm getting a good RoI (I haven't bothered to check it though). But thanks for this tip anyway!

And how about delegating to projects like steemhunt or dlike? We only get some tokens without any assurance of their actual worth! Or may be an unpredictable RoI. I think you should complete your abcd all the way upto xyz to help people like me to choose better 😉

I think selling vote in black market or curate

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Quite a difference between the two approaches you mention :D

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I know but any of the two may be resorted to

Dear my friend, what i can say about your post is that i prefer an egg today than a chicken tomorrow, that means i am not going to give any power to the bots, but only to whom are giving true service like Minnowbooster and Smartsteem, of course if they will disappear overnight, it means i can find Steemit servers down.