Who benefits from Community Curators Accounts SC04-08?
Hello my dear Steemians,
Once again after my long working days I have days off and wanted to catch up on what is happening on Steemit. As you all know recently I believe it might be last 2 months there is a new Project of the @steemitblog Community Curators the 7 teams of 7 users who are covering the large number of subjects and of course tags
Even though it sounds easy but it is a hard job and not really easy for Curators to choose the users who are following the certain rules that are set up. Nevertheless, my post is about the other issue that I noticed and wanted to highlight. I do not know if the curators of the projects have noticed it too but it would be good if they could see my post and to be aware about it.
I have just seen one user who attracted my attention, I even do not know why, but I visited his blog and here what I can see. Also, just wanted to mention in advance, I have not done any data analysis and have no idea how Curators curating the users:
- if curators look into previous post of the users of just into the one that is under their tag
- if the Admins who are nominating for @booming also paying attention to the fact that the same user gets steemcurator04-08 and plus Booming or if the Admins of community trying to distribute the Booming support more fairly.
So here we go:
You can see his blog, the user is very active he is getting good payout of post, which is great, what is the secret of his success?
https://steemit.com/hive-153176/@ponpase/writing-event-news-releases-for-promotion-through-online-news-portals
This post received an upvote from @steemcurator04 account that is supporting "Art" tag and the curator @eliany gave Upvote because user used tag #writing, but if we look into the post this is not creative writing as it supposed to be in "Art" but this is just a post about the real event it is in my opinion fit more to "Diary game".*
Also the user received @booming Upvote for the same post. Unfortunately, the Community Curators who are nominating with @booming do not leave their names which is very bad because we do not know who is nominating those users.
In WOX, I always leave our little note, that is why people know who nominated which user, we need to be open:
Next post, interestingly received Upvote from @steemcurator08, @willeusz and @steemcurato05, @pelon53. #fintech is the tag for Finance and Technology , @kouba01 I was wondering if the post about doing a banner is something that really fit into Finance and Technology, it in my opinion also something more fitting into Life or again "Diary game" because it is about what the user and his community is doing.
This is 4 days ago posted and got upvote from @steemcurator01 and @steemcurator07, @patjewell. I was wondering if the users already have had SC01 upvote and if then SC04-08 should not vote on them like the @booming, that is not giving upvote there where SC01-02 have already been?*
6 days ago the post that received @booming support, from his Own Community, where he is a Moderator
Another lucky day for the user double Reward: @steemcurator08, @chriddi and @booming I assume it was done by @vipnata as Natali is a curator of "Garden-Community"
Another lucky day and upvote from @steemcurator07 @klen.civil and another @booming04, but I can't tell you who triggered that.
Dear leaders of the @steemcurator04-08 but also @steemcurator01:
Art: @janemorane with @alena-vladi, @cindycam, @eliany, @jyoti-thelight, @nishadi89, @shohana.
Finance: @kouba01 with @chiabertrand, @fredquantum, @irawandedy, @nane15, @pelon53, @shemul21
Lifestyle: @event-horizon with @alee75, @chriddi, @o1eh, @the-gorilla, @willeusz, @whyshy
Life: @vvarishayy with @chant, @franyeligonzalez, @goodybest, @heriadi, @ispin, @leonelb
Steem- Growth @disconnect with @haidermehdi, @harferri, @kiwiscanfly, @klen.civil, @ngoenyi, @patjewell
I know that maybe many other users have noticed such situation when one user is getting:
- Daily Upvote from different @steemcurator04-08 accounts
- Plus on few occasions there are two SC04-08 accounts Upvoting the same user
- Couple of times the same user getting @booming on two consecutive days
- But also when the user is getting SC01 account he still receiving SC04-08 account support
But as it is many users do not tell it loudly so that they are not blacklisted and then may not receive any support from Curators. In my opinion, the Curators should pay attention to following:
- If the user has been upvoted by one of the SC04-08 account, then he should not receive another SC04-08 account for the same post
- If the user already has SC04-08 account then he should not have @booming support as that is to community support, so better give @booming to any other user of community, we know that some communities allowed to nominate only three posts and please it is so precious do not waste giving it to somebody who already received other Upvote
- The posts that have SC01 or SC02 Upvote should automatically be excluded from the Upvote of SC04-08
- the Moderators who nominate for @booming support should leave their comment so that everyone can see that the user is already been nominated for Community Support Program @booming
In the case of Iftar Food Package Distribution, when SC01 and SC07 votes are given on the same post, the reason is that the SC07 curation account gave the vote first, here is the link and then SC01 came to give out the vote the next day, link.
In the case of Writing Event News Release, the author has mentioned that they contacted the local news portals to write a story on their event, and has also made public what they wanted the local news portals to publish.
I would request you to go through the post again. I think the post is rightly posted in the #steem-growth tag as it helps advertise the name of Steem when local news portals are involved. Maybe the curation done on the #writing part should be done considering the #steem-growth tag only.
In the case of Business Activity Post, the author is running a business and has made/designed and printed a banner for promoting an event. So I guess two curators getting confused who gives out the vote is understandable, as both #business and #steemgrowth.
But in this case, I would like to point out that even though the author did not use any of the Lifestyle tags, they received votes from the lifestyle curation team.
In both of the other cases, where booming support and curation team support is given, I think the author deserves the reward.
There are many times when people are trying to game the system and trying to withdraw all of the rewards. But in this case, I don't think that the author is guilty of something.
The discrepancies you showed above are there because you concluded that a person should not be rewarded constantly. I don't think somebody should be judged on this basis.
Do you really think that so many people are involved in some mega plan to reward only this user? Maybe a few mistakes can be pointed out but the whole system cannot be working towards rewarding a single user.
Hi @cryptogecko, it is awkward that you felt that this post is a blame towards yourself. If you see it was nothing in the post that criticized anyone, but it was simply listing the facts and it is as it is, black on white and it is not me who thought it out.
Your statement:
made me think about conspiracy theorists.
Nevertheless, the questions is:
As you know even SC01-02 do not come on daily basis and @booming rule do not vote more than twice a week one user.
@steemcurator01 would be good to hear your opinion, as the Steemit Team created this Initiative.
I did not take it personally.
I just felt that if someone who has a good reputation is blamed, we should first check it out, and I did that only.
The whole goal of the post is:
?
I think if a user is persistent in creating exceptional content throughout the week, and all of them are strategically posted in different themes then they will be getting 2x5 which equals 10 votes from SC04-08 accounts, isn't that so?
And if they are also participating in the community tasks, then why not booming X2 votes per week.
That makes it 12 votes from SC04-08 and Booming accounts in a week.
And also if SC01-02 are willing to give extra rewards then good for the author.
Why shouldn't we promote such a behaviour where an author is rewarded for creating exceptional content and this only gives out positive message to other authors.
Currently there is a multiple account and plagiarism pandemic going on, on the Steemit platform. I think we can only tackle that if more people see that their efforts are being rewarded everytime.
In his case few posts were upvoted by two SC accounts but only one posts with multiple tags. If we think like you then only few will receive only Upvotes and the rest will leave the platform
I agree that what happened on one or two posts should not happen as two curators should not vote on a single post. That is curators's fault.
BINGO!!! that is the whole point, thank you we finally came to the same conclusion!
Point 1 - This post fully deserved the up vote from my side as it was a great post supporting what #steemgrowth and the development thereof stands for.
And you are right, I was first (•ิ‿•ิ)
The main issues are...
Regarding #3, stacked curator votes are required for the best posts, otherwise the best posts earn least...
For example, if sc04 votes on a post first because they consider it a very good post, then it may need a sc01 vote to reward its full value - sc04 only has 0.5M SP, sc01 has 10M SP.
The main reason for sc01 votes stacking on sc04-08 votes is because the posts are in their nominated best 7 posts of the week which each of them will already have voted on.
There is also the compounding effects of #steemexclusivity and #club status that come into the mix as well.
Thank you sir, for reading your important constructive information to serve this community about Sc04 to Sc08 I have benefited greatly. Personally, I am seeking your support. So that I can improve the quality of my post and give a constructive post gift in the community. Cheer 👍😯
It is understandable and clear what you have mentioned, but the question is:
Is one SC04-08 already upvoted the post should the other SC04-08 come on the top and also Upvote?
Ideally not.
Thank you so much sir @steemcurator01 for your kind understanding. We as curator try to curate quality blogs having relevant tags and club status so if authors are deserving we can't ignore them. In last 10 weeks we have faced many issues that was unexpected and sounds like virtual bullying. But we are unstoppable to our job and will do untill we will be selected for this job.
Commenting behalf of @shohana1
Art Curator team and Admin of @hive-173434 #SteemShip
Thank you for sharing this important information. Continued success for you sir. Steem On !
Saludos querid@ amig@ @stef1, de casualidad me tope con tu publicación en esta comunidad donde solía frecuentar antes y aunque tengo tiempo sin ser recurrente aquí me llamó la atención tu publicación y decidí luego de leer con cuidado tanto el contenido como los comentarios dar mi propia opinión.
No soy de los que le gusta entrar en polémicas dentro de steemit pero creo que no puedo guardarme está idea dentro de mi luego de leer esto... Especificamente hablare de los comentarios tuyos, de SC01 y @the-gorilla...
Muchos usuarios de steemit suelen pensar por culpa de Upvu que por una publicación sin esfuerzo tienen que ser recompensados de gran manera, y siendo sincero esos son los que de no recibir algún voto deciden dejar la plataforma e irse, según mi criterio los que si deberían enojarse son los que por una publicación de calidad quedarían en 0,00$ o apenas 0,10$.
Hablando de lo mencionado por SC01 sobre la pirámide de votos me parece que estoy totalmente de acuerdo con que si alguna publicación fue seleccionado por un SC04-08 y también incluida en el TOP 7 de la semana pueda ser votado por SC01 porque significaría que es una publicación de buena calidad y no deberían enojarse los que no recibieron algún voto sin hacer una buena publicación sino más bien tomar el ejemplo.
No estoy de acuerdo con el criterio de @the-gorilla de que si recibe un voto de los booming ya no pueda ser tomado en cuenta para los SC04-08 y a su vez quedar sin opción al top semanal, pues si fue elegido para booming es porque según el criterio de la comunidad fue el mejor del día, es algo contradictorio al pensar que los SC04-08 buscan las mejores publicaciones.
Muchas comunidades actualmente también toman esa decisión y me parece un error, tienen categorías dónde los mejores 2 o 3 de ese tema diariamente son elegibles a booming, sin embargo si hay 5 publicaciones y 2 son de baja calidad, pero otras 2 son votados por SC04-08 prefieren seleccionar a las de baja calidad para que "se distribuya mejor los votos" a mi me parece que si tienen ese voto es porque al equipo de curación les pareció muy buena y está sobre las demás, entonces terminan recibiendo booming las de menor calidad.
Pero también estoy de acuerdo con @stef1 que no deberían ser votados por más de 2 SC04-08 porque por algo fueron divididos en categorías, para que sea lo más distribuido posible dentro de la plataforma y me niego a pensar que no hay suficientes post de calidad dentro de cada categoría para que venga uno a votar otra distinta ya votada.
Es un tema amplio de tomar pero por ahora está es mi humilde opinión, saludos y bendiciones para todos
My understanding is that this is a rule that we're expected to follow and similarly, I believe you're not allowed to nominate a post for booming support if it has already received steemcurator support. So sc01 / sc02 overlap is possible if they arrive later but my understanding is that sc03-08 and booming overlap shouldn't happen.
I could be wrong and although a good post might not receive even more stacked votes, another deserving user will be receiving that vote instead so there will be fewer people complaining about a lack of support.
Estoy al tanto de esa regla, pero fue colocada antes de que los curadores comunitarios recibieran las llaves de SC04-08 y solo se refería a votos de SC01-02, sinceramente desconozco si se toman en cuenta los votos de ellos, pero lo que si estoy seguro (porque me ha pasado a mi) es que un SC01 te puede votar luego de recibir un voto Booming, solo está prohibido si es al revés.
Estoy a favor de que todas las publicaciones buenas tengan recompensa lo que no me gusta es que una publicación de mejor calidad quedé solo con un voto del 23% de un Booming mientras que otra por no ser elegida a booming reciba un voto del 80% de SC04-08 y además pueda ser elegida al top para voto de SC01.
Era obvio que habría este choque entre quien vota a quien para los SC y los Booming pero se pueden pensar estrategias y quizás el equipo de #Steemitblog se pronuncie la próxima vez que se hablen de los curadores comunitarios ya que la segunda vez también se hicieron ajustes, en algún momento llegará la armonía.
Saludos amigo, gracias por tomarte un tiempo para responder a mi opinión se aprecia 🤘🏽
Hi @stef1,
I just came across your post and believe that you highlighted an important issue.
I think one reason behind the success of the user in question is, he's active in multiple communities. By just looking at the screenshot you shared, we can see four different communities in seven day period.
People usually do that to get a chance for more booming upvotes as they can't get more than two booming upvotes through one community in a week.
It's okay.. I think.. as the author is also putting an effort to create a lot of content which is quite a task so his rewards are justifiable(if the content is quality and if he's not voting himself ofcourse).
One issue here is of tag irrelevancy. The user in question has used irrelevant tags which is a quite annoying thing for me as a curator. I'm not blaming here anyone, I don't know if users do it out of ignorance or what but it gets hard for curators.
Imagine following a tag with hundreds of post, 80% of which have automatic upvotes, plagiarized content or the authors don't power up at all. The remaining 20% reasonable content which you are finally excited to curate has irrelevant content!
Personally, I do not curate such posts which don't fall into the theme I have been assigned to curate. One example is the last post you shared. I came across this post on my curation day as it's got the lifestyle tag. I was about to curate it but to me the post looked more suitable for the My Life team and #thediarygame tag. So I simply skipped it. But if I had been short of quality content that day, I might have upovted it because it was the closest content related to #lifestyle.
I would request authors to use the relevant tags only. Sometimes I see very irrelevant use of tags. For instance, an author used #travel in a food post with only home-cooked meals and no sign of stepping out of home. That's tag abuse.
I also request other curators to not vote completely irrelevant content. Multiple times, I wanted to upvote a post in my theme and it already got an upvote from another team just because the author used their tags. In this case, I do not upvote that post.
There are also some special situations ofcourse in which we have to improvise the curation strategy a bit. Like my team members also try to stick to the relevant content but, there are some categories like #sports and #garden in which there's not enough quality content so instead of wasting the VP, I think it's wise to vote other good content sometimes. But in any case, there shouldn't be multiple votes from sc04-sc08 on one post.
We made a rule within our team that we won't curate same author more than twice a week to spread votes to the wider audience. We also skip posts that already got booming upvote and sc01-voted posts are always out of question.
I asked the SC team if booming votes can be given to the posts already voted with sc04-sc08. They said, "no" and initially booming was skipping such posts as well. But now booming votes all posts, I don't know why.
It's the duty of community admins/mods to not send such posts to booming. But again, sometimes a post deserves more rewards or there are not enough quality posts to be sent to booming which results into multiple votes on one post.
Therefore, we can't judge the intention of anyone unless there's some serious and obvious abuse of power. All we can do is to keep trying to do the curation job honestly and efficiently to support as many users as we can. As for authors, they shouldn't abuse the tags merely to bag votes from multiple curators.
I support the "honestly and efficiently" 100%. I vowed to give my best at all times!
After all, it is my name which will be compromised if I don't.
Thank you @event-horizon for taking time and going through the issues that were highlighted.
Again and again I am hearing that there are not enough quality posts, it is a shame but many good quality creators I see more and more on Hive and they leave Steemit completely, because of more and better rewards for Quality.
Like @the-gorilla mentioned he is trying to find new users who create good content but not discovered by curators and this is the point, there are might be some new ones but because it is easy and faster to choose the one who is known to be fair, not posting plagiarism and original content, some of the curators simply choose such users like in this example. I hardly can imagine that on few occasions there were not enough good posts and the user got two SC Upvotes.
Just such situation will make more people to leave this platform. The tags yes, people just use it without thinking they want to be seen in many areas and this is very human nature like.
I am grateful for your feedback and your time.
Again, it's the responsibility of the curators to find more authors. It requires more work and more time so some people just choose the known-ones, like you said.
I observed that many good authors don't follow clubs because there are less rewards going into the pocket for their hard work. Since clubs, so many authors have switched to voting services or have simply moved to HIVE.
That is the fact what you are saying and it is a reality that we are facing
I don't usually make this type of comment but it seems that users no longer know how to make posts that add value to Steemit, only this type of post where users talk about other users about what they do or don't do, whether they receive support or not. Because this creates "interaction" with people and they are also rewarded. Lately I've already seen several posts about this, and where I live that's called gossip.
If they continue like this, in the future they will have to open a community just for that type of topic. Maybe "Steem Gossip" would have high rewards.
This is disappointing...
Hi @oscarcc89, Steemit is free blogging platform and nobody is obligate to create something according some rules. If you remember the blockchain is decentralized and free,. Therefore, I could not really understand why you are here and what you want to tell everyone?
Hello dear friend @Stef1
I agree with what you say, for that reason the curators of steemcurator06 are attentive and attentive to each user, ideally only see a vote of any of the curators plus SC01 as every week we have the best 7 publications.
Thanks for your summary, it is important to make good use of the votes.
Interesting to read all this @stef1, not sure exactly how to respond.
Personally speaking, I am not sure I have had any "double votes" from a major curation account. It's possible I've had Booming + Steemcurator01 a couple of times on posts related specifically to topics relating to the growth and promotion of Steemit.
As you well now, curation is a challenging and time consuming process done by human beings who are ultimately volunteers. They are not employees with a specific job related "rule book," at least as I understand it.
How much is a piece of content "worth?" Moreover, should excellent content be prevented from being rewarded in a way that makes it competitive with content that obviously is receiving some kind of purchased or "voting circle" benefit?
It's a complex issue!
I suppose we need to ask ourselves if the role of the Steemcurator/Booming programs is to maximize "spreading" the wealth, or give a major "bonus" to a relatively smaller number of authors.
In general principle, however, I agree that at least a cursory look at what votes have already been cast should be part of the curators' awareness. Maybe we should be looking more towards something under which there is an unwritten policy that "if a post is already rewarded to $10 or more, an additional community account vote is subject to review."
As I said, it's a complex topic... and an important discussion!
Hi @denmarkguy, I agree with you and like you I barely see the users getting double Steemcurator Upvotes, at least not in WOX community, but obviously there are in other ones.
I was actually shocked hearing from some of the Curators who responding here that due to lack of good content posts the user got so many Upvote, but then my question is how the Curators look and it is a shame because if this is not a single case then i ti s really bad. Like I mentioned in post I even did not dig into anything and actually I am afraid that I might find something that will make me disappointed so better do not know that.
Curator Job is not easy and I do not want to be in their shoes, but somebody should do that job. The only hope that the Curators have experience of being on Steemit and curating and also to remain fair under any circumstances.
Thank you for taking time and your feedback, as always it was my pleasure to hear your opinion :)
Wouww... Saya sangat suka melihat lukisan logo nya... 👍👍
That is really not appropriate comment, because this is not about the logo, you should read the post and comment appropriately or do not comment at all.
isnt it a case of 'corruption'?... no no no, cant be so! we dont have any corruption within the New Steemit System developed by SC1
In my opinion it just show how busy Curators are so that they were not checking it thoroughly or that there maybe only just few tags been looked into that is why the same people appear there. Behind the SC#s normal users so we can't blame the management but the users like me and you.
Dear my friend @stef1
I don't know about the booming but I curated with the SC07 account before the upvote from the booming.
Thank you for investigating @stef1
Hi @klen.civil, thank you for reading the post and your feedback. The post was not a critic in the direction of curation, the aim of the post was to draw the attention of Curators to the fact that for example in this particular case when one user got almost daily for last 8 days SC04-08 Upvote
If as curator you look into the blog of users when do selection and if that is seen then would it be better to support someone else who did not have any SC04-08 Upvote?
Does it make sense for you?
I agree with your opinion, and I also thank you for creating this information.