Why I removed all my posts!
My story with STEEM started from the very beginning, I created the photography category in the first days posting was open, back then there was no reward or anything, but still I posted some photography because I like it and I liked to share it here, everyone liked it back then from the devs to the big guys no one was complaining about it, they thought it was good for the image of STEEM to have diversity in the posts. None of the photography I posted was my own, but I’m a long time photography enthusiast and I have an eye for it and know where to get good photography with credits. I did what I do out of love for photography and this project.
Months passed, all was OK, then after STEEM went big, things started to change, aggressive people started to show up out of nowhere trying to dictate what I can and cannot post, trying to bully me out of posting photography and videos I liked with all kind of claims, from copyright complete non sense claims, to plagiarism to content not being original and all kind of excuses. But the real reason is jealousy and envy, those people thought that they can also determine how much a post can get, they did not like it that I got votes and they did not.
I tried to explain my point of view, tried to reason with those people but nothing could be done, their hate was blinding them, and they were determined I should abide to their orders and be a good citizen.
This weekend things escalated, I have been slandered, defamed, threatened in posts and also in the slack police channel. I tried to respect people and discuss in a civilized way, but my fate was sealed.
I made a photography post today, in which I only posted my own text, and public domain photos, but it was too late, it was blindly down voted to oblivion by the blind hearted people and reported as plagiarism as well.
Worst is I was slandered again in the slack channel after coming to a gentlemen’s agreement with them, and some hateful people even contacted ned to un-vote one of my video posts he had voted for (which he did obviously because I’m the bad guy now, not like the old days!), they also contacted some of the people voting for my posts to stop doing it which they complied to under pressure.
Where was it written that only original content can be posted?
Who has the right to decide how much reward a post can get?
Who are you to tell people how to vote?
This place is starting to get worse than Reddit, with thought police, mod squads, astroturfing and fear mongering.
Finally, I would like to defend those of us who like to post stuff they like, even if they did not make it, it’s a right we have by all laws of the universe. This place will turn into a compilation of mugshots, and low quality content and articles if it is forbidden to also allow external content, it cannot survive!
Thank you for making me hate a place I once loved!
My view for what it is worth, is you're curating photographs and people are upvoting based on your taste and judgment.
The only people that have grounds for grievance are the copyright owners of the photographs.
There may come a time when many of us will be required to seek clearance for the use of photos. We may be pursued aggressively, maybe not. I'd advise everyone that lifts (non-public domain) photographs from the internet to set aside a pot of money to deal with these matters.
Some claims will be dealt with as fair dealing. Some claims will require authors to cough up cash. Other claims will require authors to take down material and damages may be sought. These are the realities of copyright clearances.
Outside of the copyright owners no-one else really has grounds for grievance. Unless they feel you were misrepresenting photos as your own. From what I can tell you have always attributed the photos appropriately, so there should be no issue on that score.
Just my two cents worth.
Hosting plateforms are legally liable for the content they host. Steem is the hosting plateform and we are its stake holders. We are entitled as a community to decide what kind of legal exposure we want to subject ourselves to, and it only makes sense from both an economic, business, legal and ethical perspective that we do not encourage people to seek income from the work of someone else by violating their intellectual property rights. Note also that although Steem is decentralized, Steemit Inc is a US registered company and they are the ones who will be spammed by DMCA take down notices if we allow the IP rights violations to go unchecked.
Steemit should look to how YouTube and other hosting companies deal with copyright infringement. There is no need to reinvent the wheel here I think.
The copyright owner should make a complaint (for all we know @masteryoda may have obtained the requisite clearance) and then the material can be blocked until the matter is resolved (@masteryoda should be given the opportunity to refute breach of copyright claims).
Persistent offenders who receive numerous complaints from copyright owners should be put on a banned list.
Steemit Inc. has clearly attempted to provide for this in the Terms of Service:
I would hope (as a quasi stakeholder myself) that Steemit have sought the best legal advice available. Copyright infringement can become a major headache for a platform like this (I've worked in this field for over a decade). It shouldn't require community policing beyond blatant false attribution.
If we are reliant on the community to police copyright infringement we are pretty much screwed as that approach is not scalable.
How do you remove copyrighted material from a blockchain?
Is that even possible?
You don't. But you can remove it/ stop it from showing on the Steemit site (which is a view of the blockchain data).
You can actually post things like youtube videos and such. They encourage linking and embedding because they still get to run their ads and get ad revenue, and that is passed onto those artists who monetize. That does not apply to static photography though.
Sure, you could do that if you wished. But this is a different kettle of fish. There are people with videos online that would be livid if they found out someone was linking to their video in order to profit from it. When someone copies someone's video on YouTube, the original owner can file a complaint. If someone here embeds a YouTube video it might only result in 20 views, for example, and amount to nothing for the YouTube channel owner, but 20 upvotes from whales here could net that reposter thousands.
Why can't we simply face the fact that we are trying to make money off of others work because we think we can get away with it?
At the very least when embedding a video it would be nice to put a link to the channel, mention the channel's name or something. Very often people won't even do that and end up giving the impression that the video was created by the Steemit.com poster.
This is why we need to have some sort of best practices mentioned for people so that this site will be better than any social media site out there.
If the political will is there we can do both. Be HUGE and make a ton of money and disrupt the heck out of the internet AND do it in an ethical way that will put other troll-riddled sites to shame.
Nah, never mind, I'm too idealistic. Keep stealing others content, who am I kidding?
@doctorstrange - We hit the nesting limit I think. I have added extra info besides just linking the video. I have only shown one video per artist I have shown in most cases, and actually the one I MADE money on was the first one. I actually sent a message via youtube to that author telling him about this site and stating I wouldn't do anymore for awhile as I'd like to see him here doing it himself. Yet that was my single most profitable post and he has a lot of material. I didn't post any of it beyond the initial to mostly raise awareness. I am doing a HIDDEN GEMS music covers and such series (only one post so far) where I'd like to occasionally point out cool videos of musicians that have low viewers. I'm still trying to find a balance which I believe all of us are. I'm pretty familiar with youtube monetization since I have actually gone through the process before.
EDIT: I also stopped posting and worrying about money. If I make money cool. Usually I don't.
We DO know that he didn't get clearances. He already responded that he never contacted any of the original websites, YouTube channels or photographers.
I agree. Which is why we need to establish best practices ASAP as to what is going to be acceptable before everyone feels that "sharing" others content in order to make profit on it is the way things are done here. It's obviously going to be a huge problem going forward if there are a million users "creating" content to profit from by merely copy and pasting it.
Seriously, these sorts of issues need to be hammered out now so that the platform doesn't hit a wall it can't climb.
You can define it as a problem or you can be realistic about it, but not both. There will be a million users (if we're lucky) sharing content, just as there have been on every single social media site in the the history of the Internet. That's what people do. It will need to be addressed by copyright holders making takedown requests when they object (which isn't always), just as it is on every other web property.
Except - too many of Masteryoda post I've seen are someone else's curation.
Going to another person's website and copy and pasting their curation, isn't curating.
For example here's a Masteryoda post and here is the post where he selected 5 photos from someone else's post
The photos posted are amazing - YES. But unless masteryoda runs Avax someone else put in the hard work putting them together and writing up commentary on them.
Curating art IS a valuable skill people SHOULD bring to steemit.
Art Gallery curators do a real job - and there are virtual equivalents to that. Sifting through the mountains of material available on the internet and bringing quality content to the fore, even if it is not your own original content is of great value.
But copying other's curation is no different than copy and pasting a Buzzfeed article in my opinion.
If @masteryoda was transitioning to doing more actual curation with his platform that would be great, in my opinion. But selecting photos from Avax posts alone personally won't get my vote (not that it counts for much).
People are free to upvote, but people are equally free to draw attention to 'copy and pasting' and let people choose to NOT upvote.
Thanks for sharing this, I did not know this to be the case.
Looking at the example,
(from an attribution perspective) @masteryoda did credit Avax, however I think he should make it clearer that the whole post (including the text) was an excerpt of the Avax article. This isn't obvious from reading the post. I wasn't aware of that fact before, so thank you for bringing it up.
(from a copyright infringement perspective) again, it would be for Avax, to lodge a complaint about his use of extracts from their article was a breach of their copyright. As well as possibly the whoever owns the copyright in the photos raising a complaint.
Except for a couple of things. Steemit.com is not the New York Times or YouTube.com. Nobody at Avax is aware of Steemit.com yet. And none are aware that their article is being profited from. Someone here could have contacted Avax and said, "Hey did you know...", but nobody did that. We brought it to the attention of the fellow community member and let them know that what they were doing was not kosher and that they should do their due diligence of contacting the source and getting permission. He elected to hide behind "If they contact me, we will resolve it", of course knowing full well they would not agree to it if they were aware.
I really hope that @masteryoda can know in my heart that I wish no ill will and that even though it must feel like everyone is jumping on him, it's understandable why you felt it was ok to do what you did and nobody is blaming you for it. It's just that now that you know it's not appropriate, to just change your procedure to one that is more time consuming.
If you don't want to do it the right way, we all can understand. After all, if it was as easy to do as what you were doing.... everyone would be doing it.
Agreed. I would say generally there is not a huge issue at the moment from a copyright perspective because attribution is being given (although it is probably a grey area).
He didn't always give attribution, that is more recent. I'm not mad at him for past transgressions, and applaud him for changing to at least giving attribution. Just correcting you on that point so you can more accurately assess the situation.
And again, as far as putting the burden on the original content creator to seek damages when the content user is making a profit without the consent and having made no effort to contact the content creator for their permission is obviously a way to roll the dice in order to make money in the hopes one doesn't get caught. Just because someone isn't aware of a crime doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed.
Some photographs are public domain, some are expressly free to be used, others are expressly determined to be never even photographed (in the case of something at a museum for example) and nearly all other photographs are automatically copyrighted unless expressly determined to be otherwise. You don't even need to put a copyright next to it, but people on the internet. Just.don't.care. Because they want to make money as quickly and easily as possible.
Your standing up for him has earned you 1700, congrats. this further proves my point that as long as you support the whales positions you stand a greater chance to gain a financial reward Which is not to say that I don't think it's perfectly fine to get that much for your comment. You created your comment yourself, it was useful, helpful and worthwhile. Please don't read me wrong on that account.
are you angry or afraid because your content is someone else creation?
he is non of the above. it is just an observation.
Very good points.
Your two cents is worthlre like 5 hundred bucks =P
I know you are upset - you are completely right to be. But please don't give up. You have been one of the few valuable contributors to Steemit. You are among the few dozen people I follow.
Steemit is still in beta. We should expect trolls, bigots and nastiness. We should expect unfairness. I'm confident things will even out on the long run. These miscreants will be driven into irrelevance and will give up.
Of course, there will continue to be problems, but on the long run, I think Steemit deserves a chance.
If you are really upset, perhaps you can take a break and come back a few months later when the platform has matured. But then again, we need steemers like you to make this a solid community.
Yea, it would be pity to see you leaving! Really, maybe just step a few days back from you computer ...and the coming back . Also if your decision is finally, i'm understand this, it would be just pity.
Don't leave but let's make your voice count - and let's make steem better with such input and feedback!
Yes, I do hope @masteryoda returns after a hiatus. We need more steemers like him - whom we can always trust to contribute good content - to make Steemit better!
@masteryoda
I am adding to my follow list! I dont mind a good repost. Its hard enough to find good material let alone totally original material direct from the source. YOU HEAR THAT MR. COPYRIGHT? Leave us alone!
Please, do not leave the community. Probably the majority of people such as you describe them, but there are also quite adequate people. Do not be excessive perfectionism about Steemit. It's just another social platform, which is a bit of a perfect being
Where did all the whales go?
you mean these guys? I got them all.
more whales die here in Japan
hail japan
The community can be strong only by having strong people within the community. Steemit always needs people who are dedicated to making it the best it can be.
Who is the boss? 370 for 14 votes... Dizzam!!
I will contribute gotten rewards of my comment to @masteryoda
After u got some break - come back and man .. u shouldn't care about naysayers and complainers .. i know this is somethings a though thing to ignore .. (i had to learn these lessons as well over the past 3 years)
Seems like someone stole your post and is begging in posts to upvote it.
My post with the beg in comments https://steemit.com/steem/@steve-walschot/what-steemit-really-is-all-about-now-stop-complaining (dont know how to link directly to the comment itself)
And the user stealing your post is @angelinaalba
I've read and upvoted your post earlier today, that's how i spotted it was a fake duplicate.
Hey so I appreciate everyone's time and I understand where YOUR coming from, but I was wondering does Steemit want to be known as JUST a blogging site?
Check it out and please let me know what you think..
https://steemit.com/socialnetwork/@stealthtrader/does-steemit-want-to-be-known-as-a-blogging-site
You guys are so funny. Why does @masteryoda's voice count but all the people who are talking about inequality doesn't?
333 dead...
@masteryoda we all need to find that spot where we could change this world to make it a better place to live in. i support you on this but you don have to stop. we dont quit, we only get better. Some steem tuna also cautioned me on a post that was clearly not my own video but posted it as with acknowledgement in the hopes of sharing it with other people because i found it to be helpful. I tried to explain only to get flagged down losing my rewards but hey i could not get any worse, i accepted it, and here i am trying to do what i love doing here on steem, to post great contents, engage in intellectual discussion, to ispire and motivate others to do the same... your among the gems of this platfor, you dont have to go away... pick up your self , continue to add value and move us with your great works.
I seriously cannot agree with you more, summon. Steemit is still an experiment in beta stage. There are obviously flaws in the system fundamentally.
But quitting does not help. Really does not. It would mean that you'd be missing out on everything that this community is striving to achieve in the future.
But again, as summon said. It's your choice eventually. And we can't stop you from quitting.
It is a true pity.
Thank you, you made it count in an amazing way, I’m really thankful!
Does similar posting on Facebook result in law suits for profiting billions upon billions of dollars on copyrighted material? I don't think so, this is social media on the Internet. Everything is linked together, you can see the source in the URL and everyone has the right to carry on a public conversation. Most content authors are happy to have people discussing their work as such on Social Media. I agree, the only person who has a grievance is the original author of the content.
It's not the same AND just because other sites get away with it to some degree, doesn't make it ethical or legal to do. In this particular case Masteryoda is directly profiting without the permission of the original content creators.
If the original content creators were asked ahead of time by @masteryoda "Hey, would you mind if I posted your pictures on my blog and if I make any money on it, can I keep it all for myself?" do you think any of those professional photographers would have agreed to that?
He is hiding behind the "if they original content creators have a problem with it they can ask me to stop". Well, this presumes they can ever know that one has stolen their content and is profiting from it or not. By the time any of them find out, and I doubt any of the owners of the 100 or more links that have been used are aware of their content being profited on are, @masteryoda would have placed the profits away in bitcoin or elsewhere and how does the original content owner verify how much exactly was made? "What the hell is a Steem???" they might say.
Just be honest and look at what has been done with open eyes and not make excuses. This is ill-gotten gains, plain and simple.
How do you know @masteryoda does not have the rights to use the works? There is royalty free for example in several media types like photos, music and video.
If @masteryoda is breaching copyright, then the owners have recourse through the law, Steemit does not need vigelantes acting as judge, jury and executioner.
Definitely. It happens on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram - on all social media. Content copyright owners notify the social media websites, and they have no choice but to remove the offending content. In fact, YouTube even has automatic detection of copyright content under pressure from the movie and music industries.
I LOVE this.
This is a very big problem with community in steemit for now.
Unluckily,you get money here,and other people can see how much you got it.
That means the envy and jelousness is getting to work,and changing people.
They hate seeing you posting new,great photos (like u did already,i have really enjoyed watching them!) and they are saying it is a plagiarism and reporting you just because of a simple reason-they know you are going to get money from it.
However don't worry my friend,steemit is upgrading everyday.
We got BETA now,so you need to wait some time if you are not alright with posting new photos now,i would be happy if you do :)
Post photos of work you have rights to post, simple as that. It puzzles me how people want to make excuses for this sort of behavior.
Yes, this. We are not pleased that someone is getting money for nothing. It is not RIGHT! Pay the original content creators, get their permission, or don't use their work for your own profit. How in the world is this unreasonable to ask?
You @hrottie are getting rewarded for creating your comment here, and even if I were to think "This person is getting rewarded for doing nothing! They don't deserve that!!" I would never downvote you to try to take that reward away, because you created that original comment yourself and people democratically voted on it because they agreed on its worth. In the case of @masteryoda, he did not create that work. They posted content that belonged to someone else and based on this copied content was rewarded for it. If there were no pictures from others, he would have made no money. So who should the reward go to? The person that used someone else work to then make profit or the person that created that work initially? This is not only common sense, it is law.
Just because you and I like the pictures from others that he posted, doesn't change the fact it was an unethical thing to do.
Now Masteryoda is aware of this fact so can no longer feign ignorance. I hope you and others rethink this situation clearly instead of jumping to his defense without weighing the facts.
Steemit.com is still in it's infancy and NOW is the time to set our best practices in order to make a strong, vibrant, FAIR platform for sharing content. It is in all of our best interests to get things done right from the start instead of letting something fester on and on and then having to try and remedy a situation that has grown out of control.
I hope all of you that are jumping to Masteryoda's defense can see that it's not about envy, it's about what is best for the platform in the future and that we care strongly about Steemit.com being a success. Condoning theft of others hard work goes against that success.
Cheers
It's sad to see there are so many deaf ears here. If any of these people were photographers who had spent their own time and money creating work which was then used by others to profit I think they would change their opinions.
It's also sad that they are getting at least one whale up-voting their misinformed opinions. This only serves to encourage it.
@ned and @dan will need to deal with this sort of thing sooner rather than later or it is likely it will be seen as tacit approval for law breaking. The Feds love going after anyone who breaks copyright law particularly if there is money involved.
That would be a disaster not just for Steemit but for the whole cryptocurrency scene in general. It would generate more bad press and confirm the public perception that these sorts of things are "shady" and used only for crime.
Sometimes the sophistry is so strong that it overpowers reason.
Thanks for being logical.
I seriously and earnestly tried my best. Spent many hours trying to show our side of the issue over the course of a week with evidence and attention to detail, and it all fell on deaf ears.
If I would have instead posted one comment in support of @masteryoda I could have made $400 on one post, but instead I stuck to my principles in support of those of us that have a different opinion and was rewarded with derision and maybe $15.
It is very disheartening to say the least.
And thank you immensely for suggesting my posts are logical and promote reason. Those are two of my over-riding principles to live by. I go wherever the strongest arguments take me. Usually. However, I see where I went wrong in attacking the problem as we saw it on Steemit.com. I thought others could be swayed by reason and facts and a sense of doing what is right. I was naive and I've learned my lesson.
I've given up, for now, on trying to explain the inequities of the system as we see it and to get replies from those that feel there aren't inequities in the system. The power of money and it's affect on free speech is so clear and demonstrable, it saddens me that so few can admit to it publicly. Understandably so, but unfortunate in any case.
Thanks again Positive, and anyone else that appreciated what I was trying to do and say here.
Cheers
That is a really, really bad place to be, if your posts on Steemit are fueled by jealously or envy.
The only way you are going to create good content is if you write what you believe in and do your best. The rest is not in our hands.
Exactly. We are not here to hate. We are not here to envy.
We are here to express what we love, and what we are passionate about.
I am new to steemit, but I hope this will be a place were enthusiasts can share what they love without being judged all the time! I'll give it a try!
Are posts like his expected to become as valuable as they once were? Possibly more?
Steem is a permanent record of content creation stored on a blockchain and real money is involved. People are going to get upset, envious, be offended, and experience all sorts of volatile emotions. This is like reddit + FB but with bigger stakes. So if you want to thrive here in the long term, you're going to need to have thick skin, stay positive, and adapt to what comes your way. Ragequitting is an unprofitable and unproductive strategy. Whinging is the same. I hope @masteryoda doesn't leave because we will be worse for it. And so will he.
@liberosist is absolutely right. Don't feed the troll @masteryoda . We are in beta, many nasty people who think better than the others will come. It is normal here on the Internet. But communities tend to balance, and these people or get tired or no one ends up voting for them.
They only win if people like you let them free path and leave.
I agree with you - Do not give up.
A little patience, my dear friend. All will be.
to @masteryoda :
At the moment you have: $109,527.02 on you wallet... stop complaining.. all of that and more you probably have already withdrawn was make almost on 3rd party work, meaning, other people lost time and gave their most to create something. You pick that in seconds, compile and profit....
you should be ashame of this post, it's insulting for all, sorry to be so direct.
don't be a dickhead...
It feels like certain people are being discouraged to post while others post and get upvoted for posting crap. Wish there was something we could do immediately.
i wish the same too. so that good content will prevail and the bad content will die
I hate to say it, but it's almost like we need to make people pass a test before joining steem.
In school, we are taught all of the most basic rules of publishing, such as grammar and how not to plagiarize. Do we need steem to test us on what we learned before we post so that it can remain a civilized place? Don't people know they shouldn't plagiarize, and how to refer to things in a way so it's not plagiarism? This is ridiculous.
Thank you for your support and kind words!
Nobody wants you to leave. I have zero animosity towards you and while I can't speak for anyone else, since I don't know what is being said in Slack, I can only assume nobody else wants you to leave either.
You have to understand that I come from a background of graphic design/illustration/photography and know what it's like to have others profit from our hard work.
I can see it from your post that you feel everyone is jumping on you, and that must feel awful. Please know that I have nothing against you personally and quite frankly don't know anything about you. I can only hope you will accept my apology for any unhappiness you feel based on anything I've ever said or done here. That certainly was not my intention.
Sincerly
So good to have you back, @masteryoda! :) I sure hope you continue posting some good stuff as you were.
The biggest issue with steemit, from what I can tell, is that delivering value is not the same as getting value. The interests and people that are rewarded here are VERY narrow and seem to be more about whom you know rather than what you write. And sometimes it's just random. I saw a post that was "I'm skeptical about getting paid" - like 3 sentences of this, and it was over 1k in rewards.
There are plenty of vastly more valuable posts for the community here getting like.. 20cents. This is defended by posts about how the "whales" are choosing what will be big to bring in peope.
But if you LOSE people then you have to bring in even more. I expect steemit to get flooded for a while, then "churn" will be HUGE and it won't matter. Just a flash in the pan.
This is the beginning of the churn. If the main thing that gets money here is praising steemit and boobs, then expect it to just become a soft porn site powered by bitcurrency. The worlds first digital strip club? Groundbreaking, I guess. But probably not what was intended.
Regarding the variety of content, a fair point indeed. I see lots of great content in niche topics go completely unnoticed.
I suppose that's just a result of it being a brand new platform. I bet these things balance out as Steemit becomes popular. To be fair, Steemit developers are on it - the hard fork today adds several measures to improve content.
i see no rules no where :) i just see steam power
I agree that on introduce yourself could be misused. because I think the anonymous online world, so privacy is maintained.
Tomorrow things change,the excess will be filtered out ,and the mode is still Beta.
I completely agree) I will read intetesting people that they engage favourite work
Hello masteryoda!
These things (trolls , etc) are bound to happen as the site is in a constant state of growing. Don't let this drag you down and continue making posts and pictures. You should just post what you like not what others dictate you to do , because everytime will be that "one" guy who doesn't like you and he will keep trolling you until you give up.
I am a new guy here and I just start to better understand the site and I your post have good value , so to me that is a sign to never give up.... only one time you can say things are bad and that is when you post something here and you dont receive not even one single vote or a comment ...or at least a dislike (that flag button) . But this is not a case for you so keep making pictures and post any content you like!
Donald Trump is the culprit
STEAM You are deceiving all you clowns
STEAM You are deceiving all you clowns
@masteryoda, hello. These people were and always will be. Don't pay any attention to them. Because more than 500 people voted for your post ! Most of us support you! It's great!
masteryoda, do or do not there is no try! DO what you feel you need to. As long as you are giving proper credit to the creator of the work and citing your sources that is absolutely not plagiarism. ZERO, it is totally legit! DO NOT fear fair use. It is extremely complex. It is very important that Steemit.com, is allowed to be a source information and to be an aggregated news source. This is an enormous source of traffic and every social media site depends on it deeply. I know your intention was to share cool stuff, to spread the word. That is called the NEWS. A completely legit form of fair use. As long as you are not just using the images to make your post look cool, as long as your post is to pass along a bit of news you should be good to go.
"the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phone records or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.-socialmediaexaminer.com"
Reproducing digital images is allowed, make sure to use a lower resolution image than the original work. This helps protect the curator from being threatened with copying the work. Again always site the source, provide a link, and credit the creator. It will also help the case for any news article to add some of your own critisism and commentary along with the transmitted material.
All the news channels and other social media sites make buko $$ from passing along news, so I suspect the Steem we receive is not really the problem.
Obviously I am not the even close to the final voice on this. That said, I do support you and I support others as people work to figure out how to safely present sharing cool stuff on Steemit.com. I say safely beacause due to plagerized work and improperly credited shared items, Steemit.com could face serious legal problems and the site could even be taken down. Which would SUCK.
-Peace
some easy links for fair use information
http://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/copyright-fair-use-and-how-it-works-for-online-images/
https://www.rivaliq.com/blog/guide-copyright-fair-use-laws-online-images/
http://guides.library.ucla.edu/citing/fairuse
also a link to a post I made a week or so ago about a question I had regarding fair use
https://steemit.com/steemit-issues/@darkb4dawn/copyrighted-material-and-fair-use-on-steemit
I agree with this wholeheartedly. Nice touch @darkb4dawn to include links explaining the boundaries. The fact is, the online world can be pretty cruel sometimes. The anonymity protects our privacy, but also provides us the power to engage in bullying without consequences. It can't be helped. Engaging them would be totally up to you.
I get where you're coming from @masteryoda. You like photography and you like to share it with everyone. That's all well and good, especially if you abide by fair use. There would be no harm done, and you even make money on the side. But, as a poster of original content, I see where they're coming from as well. It's hard to see that re-posts earn more than your carefully thought-out original work. That's just the way it is currently. Until the creators of Steemit enable creators to show off their original content for an amount of time so that many people would take notice, posters would just have to market their work more heavily. However, bullying is not the way, and there are better avenues to convey their stand.
For now, you just need to solidify your choice regarding the matter. Stick with Steemit, earn some money on the side and face the criticism, or just quit and call this a learning experience. Just get along can't we all?
As I see it there should be just one simple rule for situations like these: If the content is not yours, give credit or original link, and that's the end of the story. Users can upvote, downvote or ignore it - but they will know whether you made it or someone else did.
That's not the end of the story, though.
Say someone makes a post praising my photo work which includes my photos in it. Fine, thanks for the praise, but if your praise racks up the equivalent of a downpayment for a home and outranks any money I made on it (since I was who put the effort into creating it in the first place), how is that fair? There needs to be some sort of system in place that rewards the creators in those situations. If it wasn't for them, the creation would not be there to share to begin with.
Hmm, people are making money out of reviewing videogames on youtube, if you see people making money on your work on steemit, wouldn't this give incentive to the content creators to join Steemit themselves to reap the rewards? I like to see the best material on Steemit, just like on reddit people are posting stuff that they haven't created, but think other people would like to see. Maybe, if one were to say, post someones photograph, he should inform him about Steemit and link to that post just to see what the platform is all about.
If Yoda is posting beautiful pictures to this platform for people to see, I say let him. There are people who go to photography just to watch beautiful pictures. But there should be information about the origin of the pictures and link to creators other stuff/website. I'd also like them to be informed about Steem, if possible.
I'm sorry, but that doesn't sound appealing to me. That feels like someone stealing my car, then selling it, me catching them, only to end up being given a business card by the thief and being told, "Hey, if you ever want to get into selling cars..." Doesn't make sense. What if the content creator isn't interested in joining? Continue letting people on this platform reap the benefits of that creation?
Your car is a singular object that can't be duplicated - I don't think that's a fair analogy. A better analogy would be something like: someone stole my song when they downloaded an mp3, then selling it, me catching them, and forcing them to remove it.
It happens, right or wrong, and digital content rights are a huge struggle for society right now. You see the entertainment industry fighting it as hard as they can right now. The real question is what happens when steemit gets a DCMA takedown notice for a post in the blockchain? How does that get removed?
I think seeking permission should be required. I'd be curious to know how many yes answers you'd get.
You still have your photograph, you are getting exposure for your work, suddenly you find a new venue to profit from your work if you choose to do so, if not someone else will keep posting your good work, making more people aware of work. I could see big content creators eventually making accounts to steemit to battle someone else profiting from their work.
The law allows "fair use" - so when reviewing a videogame, you can use a single screenshot and it will represent 1 second of the game and is deemed fair use.
Similarly with writing, you can quote a small snippet the size of those blurbs you see in the search results, and it is deemed Fair Use. If you quote the whole thing without permission, it is THEFT under the law.
And with photos - by definition you are using 100% of the original creator's image, unless you are only posting a snippet of the picture from the top corner. Under the law, this is theft, which means that the owner has the right to pursue you and force you to pay damages.
In such cases it may depend on the copyright or other license that the original content is provided.
By default in the US, at the moment of creation, copyright belongs solely to the creator unless sold. Granted, to further strengthen this, you would want to register your copyright.
This is correct, but it does not require that the copyright owner enforce any or every instance where the work is used. It is up to that party, and that party alone, to decide whether, for example, getting exposure on the Internet via social media is a net gain or a net loss. No one can legitimately impose such a decision on the copyright owner.
Obviously though, the platform is global, and not all territories share the same laws attached to content. I think it's a good sign of "maturation" that we've started discussing ethical and legal implications of steemit posting rules. What I'm currently thinking is the extension of these legal implications: Say an author wants his copyrighted text removed from the blockchain, what then... (I'm not mentioning photographs, because these are typically hosted elsewhere). Who's gonna do it if the platform is decentralized?
Interesting times ahead....
No reply button for you. But I agree. Definitely interesting times. I feel a new kind of common sense for this type of platform will probably develop. There will be some kind of overall rule for copyrighted content. Obviously, as we can see in our discussion, varying opinions abound. There should be some kind of reconciliation.
We don't need to be told that, even! It's general courtesy to leave a credit at the end. I credit even when the source is a public domain gallery or something.
Seems pretty easy to me.
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@masteryoda, you had interesting content, and personally I don't care where it was taken. I think those who started this movement against the deployment of different content just jealous.
My friend, do not treat it so. Keep it calm post. If they you put for this ban. Then let them put it to me.
I understand the frustration. But i think steemit grow way faster than anyone could imaginate. This comunity is sky rocketing an ppl dont cant hold on from the growth. I like that peaple are cool to each other and calm down. Nobody should attack another steemer. We ned to stay together, to make it as great as possible.
Keep up the good work, and dont blame your self :)
Have a nice day
Me too
Here is the problem. Some people don't care about stealing others intellectual property. They apparently never had a brother or sister take their toy when they were a child or never created something to know what it feels like to never get paid for their services then get to see their image used on an album cover and never get their original art back which was part of the agreement. (That's my story)
It's me me me, they want everything for free or they just don't care about others for some reason. I honestly don't understand how some people think it's fair to use others works and make profit on it. It simply makes no sense.
Can anyone please post something justifying what has been done by @masteryoda without just saying "I liked what you posted, so you're cool in my book!" or "Everyone is just envious!" (please stop using jealous all the time, it's not an accurate representation of what you intend to say)
These are not reasons to allow this to go unchecked.
Please present references and links to show how it might be appropriate to copy and paste other intellectual property on a website and profit from it. It's really simple. Then this could all be done and we could all go our merry ways.
@summonerrk I would said that if you had made a ORIGINAL post on steemit and it had made only 2$...
then someone picks and steals what you have CREATED, and posts on his blog... he's well known so the upvotes keep comming and he mades 2000$ on that post he stole from you...
Now... can you truly say "I don't care where it was taken"?
Don't think so! I'm a designer and a creative, and my intellectual and physical things (either real or digital) are MY OWN property, if I post credits on an image and someone removes the credits and uses, he's stealing, simple as that!
Meanwhile, your content made $0.00 for telling the truth and the original comment made $400.00. This further drives people to want to only say positive things in the hope of getting a sympathetic whale to upvote the comment, further driving away dissenting views.
@masteryoda, don't give up! A good platform and good posts bound to have challenges. Keep Steeming and all the best to you!
I agree with pinklee.
I have seen Lunartic running around Down-Flagging, for no reason. I got down flagged!!!!
Anyway , keep up the Good work with the photography.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@masteryoda, its a bad news from you...
STEEMIT developers is not DECIDED at start - this project will have free content, or only original.
And now you is victim of this. But we are with you, dude.
This is a very big problem with community in steemit for now.
Unluckily,you get money here,and other people can see how much you got it.
That means the envy and jelousness is getting to work,and changing people.
They hate seeing you posting new,great photos (like u did already,i have really enjoyed watching them!) and they are saying it is a plagiarism and reporting you just because of a simple reason-they know you are going to get money from it.
However don't worry my friend,steemit is upgrading everyday.
We got BETA now,so you need to wait some time if you are not alright with posting new photos now,i would be happy if you do :)
I have been a steemer for over a week now. It was a very hard week, with ups and downs, with dreams and burns, launches and crashes. With only a handful of hours slept and cringes and blood-shot eyes. It was crazy and by the end of the week I also said: THAT'S IT, i'm deleting all my posts and moving away.
But this morning, after a good night's sleep I might say, I said NO, I WON'T GIVE UP. I don't care if my posts never reach the Trending page, or not even the Hot page. I believe in Steemit, in the idea of Steemit and I am going to keep posting my stuff without thinking about how successful they'll be and how much money is it going to make me. I have ideas that I want to share and if I help only a few people, so be it, I'll post it for them.
With bot lists, employer-employee whale relationships, promoted posts through a closed slack et all I could say I should stop and move on as it's bigger than me. But I won't and it's because of posts like yours that make the community show it's true face, a united face, that acts as one when it's right to do so. I saw the same community towards the end of last week with the responses off one of @johnsmith's post that went epic and where the comments were better than the article.
@masteryoda: I tell you, don't give up, stay for the people that follow you, don't quit for the people that downvote and collude against you.
Oh the Steemit sleep deprivation... SSD! The comments on that post really showed how much potential Steemit has to connect people. It was an absolute blast to log on and find new comments waiting for a responses, like little Christmas presents on every refresh. There will be growing pains but I have faith, there's a lot of good people here. Steem on!
there is no any luck to me with my posts as well but i'm still here just to see something new. Good luck 2 u, master!)
