WARLORD DOWNVOTES - The Number One Steemit KILLER

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Dictionary.com defines Warlord as:

  1. a military leader, especially of a warlike nation.
  2. a military commander who has seized power, especially in one section of a country.


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Warlord Mentality

This warlord mentality has permeated the world we live in far more ways than we may sometimes realize. We live in a post 9-11 world where tyranny reigns in many ways more supreme than ever. Ironically, they take away our freedom in more and more ways in the name of "Freedom". The 21st century has been a real disappointment so far to many dreams people had hoped for. President Bush was in power at the time of the 9-11 attack and within weeks began the longest U.S. war ever in Afghanistan; and just a year and a half later on the pretense of false intel, invaded Iraq to begin his second war.

Just like Obama before him, and Bush before him, President Trump has both continued, and even escalated, America’s war for the Greater Middle East. Long gone are the critiques of “stupid” interventions, amidst a barrage of "clickbait" and "Fake News" used by the powers that be in PSYOP (psychological operations) to warp and manipulate the American psyche into, if not supporting, at least going along with more and more of this "Warlord Mentality". And what do those wars do - drop bombs and destroy the lives of millions and millions of people, whether they are the targeted "Bad Guys" or collateral damage. The U.S. Air Force has admitted that Bush dropped approx. 40,000 bombs in his 8 years (i.e. approx. 13 bombs/day), Obama dropped approx. 70,000 bombs in his 8 years (i.e. 23 bombs/day) and Trump dropped approx. 44,000 bombs his first year (i.e. approx. 120 bombs/day). It's so sad, but true.


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The word "warlord" can be traced back to 1856, when Ralph Waldo Emerson used it in a critical piece on the aristocracy of England. He said, "Piracy and war gave place to trade, politics and letters; the war-lord to the law-lord; the privilege was kept, whilst the means of obtaining it were changed." He was an American philosopher, poet, lecturer, essayist and the leading exponent of New England Transcendentalism from that system.

Emerson attempted to lift up an idealistic philosophy from the turmoil of the 18th-century by focusing his attention on the human ability to transcend the materialistic world's experience and become more conscious of the universal potential of true human freedom. He espoused that looking inward into one’s own self, one’s own soul, and from such an enlightened self-awareness would in turn come freedom of action and the ability to change one’s world according to the dictates of one’s ideals and conscience. This is ultimately the direction where I would like to go with this discourse.

This brings me to the point of this post.

"WARLORD DOWNVOTES - The Number One Steemit KILLER"



@mistermercury in another post said,

"It's all an interesting study in human dynamics and relationships. It seems we have our own little mini-country here where we are not entirely free, at least if you want to thrive."

This social network, Steemit, in many ways is it's own little world or country. It reflects much the same realities of the 21st century world that we live in, including, unfortunately, what I would consider to be a system that empowers the same "warlord mentality". In just over a month of being active here the biggest killer I have seen on Steemit has been the weaponization of the power of the downvote, the limits of which entirely depend upon how much SP (Steem Power) one can buy and has at their disposal.

John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron, is known for saying,

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

It is one thing to allow people to buy power to do good, such as the main point of steemit to begin with, which is to reward talented authors for great content; but another thing to allow them to buy power to do harm to one another. Freedom loving Anarchists believe in doing no harm to another either to his/her person or possessions. This is what I truly believe, as Libertarian/Volunteerism believes. I'd like to think that steemit was based on a similar belief, but it just doesn't seem the case with respect to the topic of this post discussion.

My Story

It all started, as I explained in my post "Steemit's Malicious @steemcleaners downvote ATTACKS". To sum it up 5 of my posts were downvoted for plagiarizing what was essentially my own material. 3 of which were all the way down to negative territory in revenues, which turned off all pics and made them nearly invisible. I wasn't able to get any replies for days and resorted to making that post to make my case. I was able to make resolution headway with @steemcleaners on all but my most valued post of my own poetry, which he could no longer do, because of the steem system that removes edits and make permanent after 7 days (one of the many lessor faults of the steem system). This was extremely frustrating, knowing it had tweeted and shared with around 16,000 people on Twitter and Facebook.

I was also frustrated with how, even if I am verified, I was told the best way to stop so many members from reporting to steemcleaners when I use my own pics normally, is to find another site, (ANY SITE) where a picture which I have full legal rights to happens to be on (even if it is stolen from me) and place a link to that site as source. This was essentially encouraging the exact thing that @steemcleaners was supposedly intended to stop. This ate me up inside, especially given I had invested several hundred steem into steemit.

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The next morning was Easter Sunday. First I fell for a very clever April-Fools joke post, were a member admitted to being hired by Big Pharma to spread lies on Steemit. Being that I have worked with all things media for a good 33 years now and actually have had several friends die in somewhat similar circumstances, one just in the past few months, that I still hadn't fully digested, it hit a trigger in me and I blew my lid.

Then I saw where Steemcleaners still had 5 of my posts listed on a black listing post accusing me of "Plagiarizing my own pics that I had removed before", after thinking that was all resolved, I literally started feeling symptoms of a heart-attack, as I completely blew my lid, threatening if he didn't remove my links that I would have no other choice than to seriously CONSIDER taking legal action for Defamation of Character.

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The next day, just over a week ago now, I got nuked down from nearly 47 to 4 on those 2 comments @adm didn't like, by virtue of him having well over a million dollars in SP. I apologized and edited it to no avail. To the credit of @guiltyparties and @steemcleaners I do believe I understand much better why they aim to cleanup steemit of so much abuse and copied spam. I tried to get @guiltyparties help, who runs @steemcleaners and was the person my original comment was addressed to at a time I was really distressed and I must say he really did try to help; but nobody knew who @adm is, who finally posted something, which didn't help much to resolve anything. To which I apologized again and what did @adm do?

He reposted my original post that I had edited, for all to see, because as he said,

"didn't acknowledge the edit in this apology".

Yes, I admit again that I really lost it, being human, removed one, edited the other, tried my best several times to explain and apologized. I still don't totally get why he had to repost the very thing he punished me for so severely, if as he said before,

"Threats are not a socially productive way to get what you want."

Apart from my emotions getting the best of me, I really only put it there to get steemcleaners attention when I was blowing my lid and completely intended to edit it once I had cleared it up. Even that option had been taken from me when it was reposted by him.

I posted a video of @ned and @dan in an interview and to quote Ned, the CEO of Steemit Inc. on the question of "downvoting" he said,

"One thing we have learned is Downvoting is BAD. The only thing they should be used for on the platform are to moderate spam."

Dan added,

"and Abuse"

and Ned agreed and went on to say,

"Because what we realize is there's a really strong humaneness to the platform and down voting is a sort of action that represents you know a real heavy hand you know in the real world."

It's at 41:00 on this video:


Then I tried to appeal to @adm's humaneness to no avail and never got any other comment back from him at all.

Earlier in I believe it was that same interview above, I herd that a downvoted low reputation DOES in fact effect one's ability to regain their reputation on steemit and earning rewards. The last post I did afterwards proved, after doing the math, that I now have to get 5 times the upvote revenues to gain the same upward gains in reputation as before. Not to mention I have to double that because the original 25 is about halfway back to nearly 47.

It still amazes me that a million dollar+ (WarLord) whale is allowed so much power on steemit to sit on someone with probably somewhere between 500 and 700 total upvotes to crush them to such a huge degree, even after squealing apology after apology like a pig. It's PTSD to the 9th degree all over again.

There are countless other stories I have seen as example of this "WarLord Downvote Mentality". It's really become a war zone here in many corners of steemit that I happen to wonder into.


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This screenshot above is one extreme comment (far worse than mine) on someone's post I follow, which was a fairly nice post too, but this guy, @berniesanders completely lost it. I was in shock to see it, because he was the first to welcome me to steemit with an upvote on my very first comment just over a month ago. Clearly, someone has pushed his buttons to the extreme for him to make such a comment. Maybe the recipient, @tysler, was tied to why @berniesanders got nuked beforehand big time to a -16 reputation who knows. But still that threat with some extremely fowl language is still up untouched by anyone after 6 days now with 14 upvotes to my amazement. My point here is not to say attack him. Then we are just falling into the same "Warlord Mentality" power game. But to suggest the whole problem is way steemit is giving the ability to those who can afford it to arm the "downvote" into a true weapon of mass destruction that can literally nuke minnows like me into leaving steemit all together. After all, I see 416 people have viewed that threat comment and imagine how many were literally terrorized by seeing it.

There are so many other examples too I've seen recently that would make this post too long. No matter how anyone looks at it, because of the warlord downvotes, Steemit has become a war zone of Warlords and this huge issue is the Number One Steemit KILLER by far.

So I raise the white flag to ask for a truce, @ned and @dan. I'm trying to crawl out of the ditch where @adm tried to bury me. Give us all a break and please stop empowering an arms race here of warlords with the power of the downvote, battling it out and destroying the very steemit community you created and so many of us have invested in.

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In Conclusion:

Despite all the damage, feeling like this account is pretty much dead-in-the-water and seeing steemit become a war zone to so many, I do believe there has to be a better way than this current system, which empowers such a "Warlord Mentality". I do believe in the human ability to transcend the materialistic world's experience and become more conscious of the universal potential of true human freedom. I do believe we can do better than this. Do you? In practical terms it seems to me that Steemit, with all it's issues and problems, of which there are many, that downvote damage should be limited to at the very least NOT to how much Steem Power one has, but to maybe at the very most even a fraction of a reputation point per downvote; or maybe even do away with the downvote (whip) altogether and focus completely on the upvote (carrot). My vote would be for the latter.

Please share your thoughts and ideas on how to resolve this mess. If we get a descent enough discussion going, maybe I'll do a part 2 to really discuss the best possible solutions.

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Hi @positiveenergy

I know your story quite well as I've been following you very closely since we've meet on Steemit.
Im really sorry for your missfortune to become a victim of unjustice on this platform. Many people seem to believe that decentralization is a solution to all our issues. And it may as well be. But it simply isnt working here, on social media platform.

I really hope you're gonna stay here a little bit longer as I found so much value in your posts. We will get your rep back. Dont you dare to give up!

Yours, Piotr

Thanks for you comment, Piotr.

I agree steemit falls short on many points of what decentralization is intended to do. Personally, I believe steem, while it may be decentralized in the form of the nodes which power the infrastructure, being a for profit company and especially this issue of empowering and then allowing big money to buy so much centralized power in the hands of such a small percentage of the users is far from any concept of being decentralized in my view; and certainly it's complete lack of any privacy is very opposite to what so many initial intentions of this technology aimed for.

My main intention of this post was more about putting it more in a community context of creating dialog to discuss and look for solutions of the underlying causing issue of the platform and less about venting my own story and frustration, even if that may not come through as clearly as I would like, I have attempted to make my story count for something more than just me, which is really what I feel community is all about.

Realistically, I would be blind if I couldn't see that @adm's initial reasoning that a public threat (to consider legal action) can damage the community too, even if it was directed to one individual or a small group of individuals. I knew the appeals area to reach @steemcleaners and @guiltyparties and that was my bad for not taking the issue directly there. At the same time, it still doesn't negate the severity of the punishment, especially in light of trying immediately to edit out my own errors and feeling to be made a fool of apologizing so many times to no avail, only to see him repost the original post that had the issue.

Back on point, in my view the system needs to be tweaked to limit that power that money can buy and far more needs to be implemented in the form of real Customer Service. @Guiltyparties helped me to see that a big part of what the initial flagging of my account was tied into the level of plagiarism that really is plaguing the steemit system. That really is another huge issue they are trying their best to tackle, which very much plays into this whole issue of warlord downvoting, but I believe @ned needs to step up to the plate as CEO and put more resources into that too than are currently in place. I do understand that the initial idea is to empower the community to self regulate, which in and of itself is more in line with decentralization. This is where the discussion needs to be focused.

I believe a very clear set of rules and their consequences of violations needs to be clearly conveyed and agreed to by all members of steemit. Then a more humane warning system reiterating those rules with a time period to fully comply set into place before any sort of punishments made. I understand in a way that makes steemit a bit more centralized, but let's face it, as a for profit company they do have certain responsibilities too in the world we live. A non profit would be the better solution in aiming for real decentralization. I understand there is only a 7 day window before the steemit system sets data into stone, so to speak, which I believe is another fault of the system. I believe it's all just a matter of organizing a management system that will benefit everyone.

Hi buddy

I want you to know that I read all your comments. But it's always quite a long read and I dont know where to start when it comes to replying lol :)

I also agree pretty much with all your view on that matter and I really appreciate your feedback.

Anyway people for some reason are so happy that blockchain is free from cenzorship. Steemit already is proving them wrong.

Hi Piotr, Yeah, I think anyone who thinks blockchain is free from censorship is living in an illusion, not knowing the reality of it, and dreaming of a future so many of us would like to one day see. Steemit still gets a lot of kudos for taking a big step in that direction though in many aspects. I'd like to think that @Dan may get a hold of some of this discourse here in one way or another to consider in his tweaking and preparing EOS and Steem II, because I can't wait to see how he makes it better.

Indeed. Illusion all the way.

So transparent, very little privacy and censorship around the corner.

Definetly blockchain is huge, but we're naive to think that it will serve all people and human greed + power will not use this technology to control population even better.

Discouraging, to say the least. :( hopefully the process will get better, especially if they, and we all want steemit to continue to grow and keep the plankton and dolphins they are trying to attract.

Im very political, and controversial when i post... so when i saw how getting flagged can harm you, well it definitely made me wonder what will happen if the same silicon valley whales on fb and twitter start investing in steem. Will we too become an endangered species on steemit?

I think some of this has already happened and part of the reason why this has become a growing issue.

This is actually a really good post as you took the time to dig through that video and you found something that directly contradicts the Steem whitepaper. Take a look at pages 14 and 15 (of 32) https://steem.io/SteemWhitePaper.pdf

Downvoting is not meant to be "bad" and the fact that this explicitly stated in that interview is an issue on its own. If I catch Ned on the chat in the future I'll ask about that. Downvoting (same as upvoting) is meant to be an equalizer. With downvotes and upvotes the value of the post is meant to be determined at payout time. That stops the crabs in the bucket (see analogy in whitepaper) from escaping through plagiarism, abuse, or whatever other means.

Reputation is not part of the rewards mechanism and is mainly a behavior incentive. Everyone wants it but doesn't really need it. The person you found, Berniesanders, got that negative rep from just one flag from Dan for some comment he made. It didn't stop him from continuing on the platform.

I don't own Steemcleaners btw. It's a group project.

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how does this fare for people who post political or controversial topics? how can you prove something is flagged for opinions, rather than a legitimate purpose? i came here to get away from that kind of censorship... but seriously, what happens when steemit gets much bigger and more nefarious types come in and flag people for opinions they dont like? there must be some kind of way to counter it? otherwise you get a very boring platform with bland opinions and kind of a borg mentality eventually.

With controversial topics the intent is that both sides will argue through voting. So let's say for example I make a post stating that vaccines are death and you disagree, you can do so with a downvote. At the same time, another reader who agrees will give an upvote. The result is meant to reach an equilibrium in regards to the evaluation of content. Because of the new prevalence of high-stake accounts only selling their upvotes and the existence of other high-stake accounts downvoting, the system doesn't always work as intended. There are also users who take pride in "helping" users who were downvoted in a systemic manner unrelated to the content itself.

While I'm responding here I can address what people think of as "censorship". Censorship is impossible on the STEEM blockchain as all content is permanent. What flags/downvotes do is artificially hide it on frontends. However, and this is the main reason I'm here myself as a user, all content can still be retrieved. It can't be altered or permanently deleted if it's inconvenient for some group. It's always there. The frontends are open source and anyone can make one that shows this content in any way they want irrespective of what sort of votes it received.

i wish there was a way to delete content if the writer wanted to delete it... thats kind of a flaw, imho.

but im glad to be here, ill keep swimming. upstream. :)

I agree, it is kind of a flaw, especially learning how steemit works, doing searches and following older guidance, before things must have changed, which led to a lot of mistakes for me. Like when I first got hit by @adm, I decided to start the power down process, only to find posts saying it takes 2 years... Man, did that add to the emotions... Then I found it in the FAQs to now be 13 weeks. Thanks for your input, @miss-j

Yeah, that's what ive been finding difficult too, searching for the different tips and tools and post discussions, the information changes.

As for deletion.. what if someone posts here for a few years, then say, wants a job or something and they no longer want their posts and comments up for the public to see?

This will be a gigantic hindrance for mass adoption. Same with crypto.. I don't like that the coins that track everything you do. There should always be a way for privacy going fowards. We at least have privacy coins somewhat, but if there ever is a competitor that allows deletion and takes away opinion flagging, steemit will lose a large following.

And you said it exactly right, it sounds like social engineering, like aldous huxley talked about. A group think mentality, and the financial rewards to go with it, or to punish those who dont. Its a psychological brainwashing.

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I totally agree. It poses maybe even more problems than the "Warlord downvote mentality", because that effects everyone in one way or another.

Either it is bad, or people may stop caring. If I was your potential employer, if I was objective enough, I might ask you if you are still the same person as you were when you said this one thing or did that one thing years ago on Facebook or even Steemit for example.

Do you really want to go back and delete things later on? For me, I do not even have time to do that. And Steemit may create a new flaw, a new hole, by allowing things to be removed later on. And nothing on Facebook is ever removed. Nothing on the Internet is ever destroyed as there are things online that steal and store data of what happens online. There are websites that archive deleted YouTube videos for example. There are all sorts of things going on that most people are ignorant of.

yeah , but what happens when all the people who ruined facebook twitter and you tube decide they want to be a bunch of whales over here... what does that help steemit, except to become the replacement for facebook in name only?

I just read a great post from aggroed about how people should not get into flagging wars, even if you think it a good cause, because the biggest whale wins and unintended consequences. this is a big deal in my mind, because you are saying we should get involved in flag wars and other uses say dont, or you will get squashed.

https://steemit.com/flagging/@aggroed/steem-tips-aggroed-s-rules-to-flag-wars-first-rule-don-t-get-into-flag-wars

It just feels like a disaster waiting to happen is all. I appreciate your comment though! :)

BTW, great video there of Rep. Billy Long putting Mark Zuckerberg in the hot seat over Fb political censorship... :)

Thanks for adding that, @miss-j. It's good to see others talking about this too. Maybe we are collectively whipping up enough steem in the hornet's nest to see some sort of positive change here. Who knows... :)

I do understand what you mean with "censorship", @guiltyparties, in the sense of it can never be deleted or completely removed from steemit, but censorship can also be considered "suppression" in the form of putting down, holding back, limiting and removing visibility too. It's like censoring someone's column from the normal front pages to the back pages where they get less visibility too.

and self censorship, the worst kind since it isnt something written and said and then hidden, or suppressed, its the orwellian effect where nothing will be said or written at all that may offend due to fear of getting flagged. thats a borg state. everyone will be the same and no one will want to willingly give up their money or rep.

well, at least there are forks. thats a good thing. to fork, or not to fork... that is the question.

Find like-minds, build communities. For example, there is the #SteemChurch community. There is the #ColorChallenge community. There is the #InformationWar community. Different Steemit communities think different and grow together as they upvote each other. Once in a while, whales can downvote you but not consistently. Stick together with a bunch of friends and grow together on Steemit over the course of many years and brace yourself for the storms. In the past ten months, I've been flagged a few times but I rode through those storms, recovered my reputation points & became stronger each time.

This really is true... I have so much stuff I have been playing with posting here and have held back because of the very point you make, as well as maybe even more so the way that until one really gets a following here they really don't get much active visibility for anyone else to ever see to begin with. The thought goes, "why waste the time, if no one hardly ever sees it, comments or upvotes it". There were many of my first posts here that I tweeted and shared on Fb that got more likes there than here. I wonder how many of the 90 or 95% of those who have signed up on steemit left or at least don't do much anymore because of that.

Clearly, I struggled some with that more when I made the last 3 posts, but for me the driving factor was more along the lines of making some sort of social impact for positive change in the community, as well as the tech in this last one.

I'm still toying with the idea of how you can invest into SP (Steem Power) on steemit, but to get all you put in out, the power down process takes a minimum of 13 weeks. If you make any more in the mean time and want to power that out too, you have to cancel and restart the power down process again and again, pushing the time to who knows. Plus, the fact is in the current system, you will never be allowed to get out at least 5 steem, because they say it will make the system unstable. That's a big one too.

The self-censorship is the real problem.

The last sentence is interesting.

Here here... I'll second that.

there must be some kind of way to counter it

Wow! That's all right from the gut. Moving. I love the Emerson quote. There are indeed some who have vision. And, no doubt you are aware of the psychopaths pushing for war with Russia as I write this comment, which thing appalls me and moves me to bitter tears. I suppose the best thing we can do is try and be sane and caring and compassionate ourselves and to do what we can to stop madness. Blessings on your head my friend.

Thank you for your comment, @mistermercury! I totally agree... This is my Hail Marry to really lay it out there and see if steemit is really worth staying... :) I believe there's still hope for Emerson's vision to come to pass too. Blessings to you too, my friend.

Excellent post that describes the reality of Steem well. I didn't know about the stats of all the bombs dropped during the presidencies. Steem is like a country with good and bad people, a technology can be used for good, but also for bad in the wrong hands. I don't think downvoters have the best intentions because otherwise they won't do it anonymously. The only thing I see possible is to limit the downvote power in the next fork because as you said these attacks scare people away.

Thank you for your compliment and your excellent proposed suggestion, @gmichelbkk.

I totally agree on limiting the downvote on the next fork. I think probably in at least many of the downvoters minds they have their own reasoning, but who knows exactly better than they. I do understand @steemcleaners has the best intentions to try to clean up so much that many see as trash on steemit. Part of that is how one persons trash can be another persons treasure.

This is why I said what I said below to Piotr:

I believe a very clear set of rules and their consequences of violations needs to be clearly conveyed and agreed to by all members of steemit. Then a more humane warning system reiterating those rules with a time period to fully comply set into place before any sort of punishments made. I understand in a way that makes steemit a bit more centralized, but let's face it, as a for profit company they do have certain responsibilities too in the world we live. A non profit would be the better solution in aiming for real decentralization. I understand there is only a 7 day window before the steemit system sets data into stone, so to speak, which I believe is another fault of the system. I believe it's all just a matter of organizing a management system that will benefit everyone.

And certainly this is just a brainstormed thought (beginning) that could be built upon by the community. What do you think?

This surely has to be improved and I'm not sure they want clear rules and warning defined because it's too inconvenient. The solution in my opinion is only technical and setting limits in the blockchain. There have been tons of suggestions made already by people who like you got the hammer flag and nothing changes.

Yeah, that's one thing that worries me some.

tons of suggestions made already by people who like you got the hammer flag and nothing changes

Part of the reason I suggested that was because @guiltyparties explained to me that the first week everything started with me they were swamped with dealing with such cases as well-known writers from, I think it was, Forbes and Medium contacting them about plagiarized stories that had been copied and posted on steemit, which could clearly have legal implications for steemit Inc. For all I know, maybe @adm is more closely tied to Steemit Inc. and hit me as a sort of oversensitive knee-jerk reaction to something deeper legally happening at the top, especially given the "adm" account name, which I honestly thought at first was Steemit "admin".

I still believe absolutely that as a for profit corp., in which anyone can invest in by virtue of especially powering up SP (Steem Power), which really locks you into the system for at least 4 months or so, that they really do need more user friendly Customer Service.

I don't know about the internal issues they may have. The question is who owns the Steem blockchain? There are other sites pulling data from the Steem blockchain like Busy for example. I agree that there should be a way to delete content, which has a copyright complaint, but is that possible because ourselves we can't delete our own posts. I honestly don't know.

The blockchain was created by Dan. Steemit Inc manages it by proposing hardforks, patches, investing in development, etc. It's not "owned" by one person as it's processed through myriad witness servers. It can be "forked" as Golos did into a new blockchain. The reason you can't control your content and delete accounts and all that is because the blockchain is coded to not allow that and its decentralized nature prevents nodular modification (it must always sync). We actually tested all of the parameters ourselves to try and remove content for a guy who was losing his job over it. It's not possible. Changes to the blockchain itself would be required to allow you to delete your own post.

@guiltyparties, thank you for the explanation, that's very interesting. I was wondering what would happen if for example a judge ordered a post to be taken down because of some stolen copyrighted content and that technically it's not possible?

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In my view this is another major fault of the system. I learned a lot of wrong outdated info on steemit from old posts and even YT videos from whales... It makes for a big learning curve. Not to mention, if I'm not mistaken, I voted on a lot of old posts for nothing. Is that why I didn't get any curation rewards until I invested into SP? So am I correct that if one votes on a post that is older than 7 days the vote is basically recycled back into the rewards pool and they get nothing? This one I'm still unsure on.

I believe I recall @Ned saying in one interview (maybe the one I posted above) that Steemit Inc. owns the steem blockchain.

Maybe these issues are why @Dan is supposedly working on a Steem II. I found and read an article about it a few weeks ago, after @mistermercury mentioned something about it. https://steemit.com/steemit/@spiritualmax/steem-ii-announced-what-s-the-name-what-s-the-intent-what-s-the-difference

Thanks, I will check out the article.

Just dropping in and wanted you to know that I am glad that you are in good spirit @positivesynergy after all that you've been thru.

Thanks, @zestforlife. I appreciate the encouraging feedback. Your zest for life must be rubbing off on me too some :)

I think this whole notion of equating a downvote in and of itself as an “attack” on or “harm” to another user is, frankly, pretty absurd. That may be how it’s perceived by the receiving user, but that’s not actually what a downvote is.

And we’ve also been hearing that downvotes are “the number one Steemit killer” for nearly two years now, yet the user base continues to grow. (Yes, a lot of users abandon the platform, but that’s mostly due to other factors not related to downvotes.)

I think too many people expect rewards - or a certain amount of rewards - for their content and believe that, if they don’t get that amount, they’re somehow being cheated. Also, a misunderstanding of the system leads them to believe that a downvote is actually “stealing” something that belongs to them, rather than a reallocation of potential rewards that had been temporarily allocated to their post.

That being said, there are some issues with how people use downvotes for personal vendettas but those issues are still mostly with perceptions and feelings and not with the actual purpose or function within the system. In the end, downvotes are necessary to mitigate abuse. But any user can ultimately cast either an upvote or downvote however they wish.

The beauty of the system though is that any user can increase their stake and have a bigger say in how/where rewards are allocated, so any user (or group of users) can increasingly influence/mitigate the effects of both upvotes and downvotes.

Thanks for your comment, @ats-david. I hear what you are saying of the notion of a "downvote" in and of itself being an "attack" or "harm", but let's remember that in this world we live in "perception is everything". This is especially the case in social media, where our input and output is generally limited to words, pics and "reputation numbers" on a screen.

Also, if you've really been hearing it as “the number one Steemit killer” for 2 whole years, I would ask why has it not really been addressed before. Yes, maybe steemit has grown in numbers over that time, but how does it's growth compare to the growth of all the other social media online in the same period, which has really exploded to dominate the bulk of the masses flocking online. I would think that give the fact that one can actually make something out of creating content and posting, that it would have attracted more. And why is it that there are only tens of thousands of active members out of over 900,000 total members? That tells me that something has gone awry to cause 90 - 95% of the members to not be active.

I do get what you mean of the misunderstood belief

that a downvote is actually “stealing” something that belongs to them, rather than a reallocation of potential rewards that had been temporarily allocated to their post.

I think that misunderstanding is mostly due to the complexities of learning the ropes of how the entire steemit system works. So you really do make a good point there. This has become more clear after a month of being active here that it's not actually the person's money they are giving when they give someone an upvote (or "stealing" in the "perceived" case of a downvote for that matter), but one's share of the "rewords pool", based on how much SP (Steem Power) they have. This is something I don't think can be made too clear to newbies and probably should be a major priority to the steemit community to help them to understand better.

Maybe I did sensationalize things a bit with the title and some of the content, but the primary point of this post really is targeted on how can we as a community mitigate the abuse of the very system designed to keep the abuse in check (i.e. the downvote system).

This is why I just wrote in reply to @guiltyparties:

As you pointed out before, there should be a clear distinction between the downvote effect on the revenue share of the limited "rewards pool" and the "reputation". In my view the suggestion to limit the effects of a downvote was directed mainly to the "reputation" aspect, which for me was so demoralizing. If it only effected the revenues on the specific comment, I believe the message would still have been received loud and clear, but the damage would have been far more bearable.

This may be the last comment on this post before it gets steemed into the blockchain for good. I just want to thank everyone who upvoted and commented. All the best

Let me suggest something that may help your readers a lot.
At the beginning of the post use

and at the end of the post

The difference will be huge. Just like on picture below:
justify.png

Good luck mate :) Obviously upvoted

Yours, Piotr

Oh and I also wanted to thank you for your comment in my latest contest. I appreciate your time and support. Cheers! :)

oh jezzz.

I just realized my silly mistake. In my previous post I didnt include the code that would justify text. Silly me.
Here is short article I've found that explain how to do it:

https://steemit.com/html/@dyrits/steem-it-1-how-to-justify-your-text

Oh and I also wanted to thank you for your comment in my latest contest. I appreciate your time and support. Cheers! :)

Yours,

People are bad. We do bad. But we can get out of it with help. But it does not come natural to get out of our ghetto of humanity.

People are good too... There's always some good in bad and some bad in good. This story is taking time to get out of, as I expressed in my last post. Any ideas or help you may have would be greatly appreciated.

I posted another one. Maybe you'll like that one too.

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