Steemit Community Discussion 1 (2016-11-20)

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I would like to start a discussion thread for us to share questions, concerns, issues, ideas and visions for where we each want to go on Steemit, and where we see Steemit to going. This will promote more clarity and cooperation through common understanding, helping us to see where we are all headed on Steemit, both individually and as a community. We can envision more ideas for the community and the platform going into the future. This can also serve as a keeping of record for issues, concerns, or suggestions to recur.

There are two general categories of how to look at Steemit: Platform and Community.


Steemit Platform - The coding functionality that we are automatically functioning by.

Ideas for questions and discussion regarding functionality that's part of the code:

what works well, what doesn't work well, what would be good to change, why something should change, why something can't change, etc.


Steemit Community - The behavior of individuals and the overall community on Steemit.

Ideas for questions and discussion regarding how we make use of the functionality:

what we post, what we curate, what are we creating, what are we developing, where are we taking the community and platform, what direction are we headed

The previous questions could also apply here: what works well, what doesn't work well, what would be good to change, why something should change, why something can't change, etc.


What happens in the back-end platform will also overlap to affect how the front-end community operates.

Please feel free to ask questions for anyone to answer, provide answers yourself, or comment in general.

Depending how this goes, I will possibly make a post with a summary or updates from the past post, allowing us to continue discussions weekly, or bi-weekly, etc. There may be issues that some people are aware of while others aren't, or even ideas for improvement and projects. I don't know. This is just an idea and we shall see where it goes... Maybe it's a poor place and better suited for text or voice chat environments.

So... what's Steeming in your mind? :)


@krnel
2016-11-20, 4:50pm EST

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I think for the steem currency to have long-term stability, it is important for real goods and services to be bought and sold using steem.

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Yup. That will eventually come. It's a big phase. People and businesses themselves, need to step up to model STEEM into their enterprise. I don't think Steemit wants to be a central store itself. Peerhub is a model of what can be done.

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I think people should take your post more seriously. I have seen Peerhub been used as I believe users think it is the only place that would accept Steem. I believe a larger and bigger picture idea is Steemit users should flood OpenBazaar. All Steemit users are able to have their Bitcoin sales be paid out to them in Steem, see this post https://steemit.com/steemit/@cryplectibles/openbazaar-takes-steem-list-your-art-or-garage-sale-items-now

This does two pretty large things, it takes Bitcoin users currency and converts it directly into Steem, thus making the market bigger in that way, as well as the users here will be selling their music, art, stuff around their house, whatever, to the world market, at the same time letting those buyers know their money is being converted into Steem. It brings value as well as awareness.

Also I noticed today that Peerhub has a marketplace of their own goods going within the regular users so the site seems a little different, more centralized, like Purse.io started feeling. I have items listed on Peerhub and OpenBazaar right now as well as an Etsy store, I hope Steemit users see the value in being able to sell to a larger market and being able to make Steem's value itself grow.

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Thanks so much for the excellent info! I'll look into both those sites and do some research. Cheers

I would really like if we could manually select our own tags, or a better way to filter and customize them.

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I also would love to see all the tags we use not just a selection as we have now.

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Ah yes. There is a github issue open for this here: https://github.com/steemit/steemit.com/issues/115

I left a comment to see if any progress has been made. It's been inactive since the end of August. So pretty much 3 months with nothing done on it so far...

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This would really change for the better my experience with the platform.

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This is on top of priority queue

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Great, thanks, good to know.

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Great idea krnel!
Thinking of some sort of curation guild, crowdfundwhale. Like some things out there to expand and grow some value of members of steempentice for example and others. Also have my idea for a virtual world presence that may be used for sharing art and photos in a gallery as one idea and another idea of a virtual steemfest, and then tutorials and steem(it) projects and what not presented in a 3D world potentially for interested users that are better visual learners with the ability to see more at once than just a single webpage. Although the pictures in world would link to web pages for more information / content.
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Woa, interesting with the 3D world. That would take quite some work to pull off hehe. Good luck!

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Exploring the idea and ideas on how to have it work on some level for a little while now.

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Great post!! Thanks @krnel :)

Community:
I think it is important for a lot of people to remember that we are still in the infant stages of this project. A major Facebook level platform with all the "bells and whistles" that people expect from a standard 'social media' site is probably going to take years to fully develop. The community is still figuring out it's identity too. What we stand for, what types of content and users we want to promote vs. discourage, etc. It is a very exiting time to be part of the platform, but at the same time it can be very frustrating for users when the experience is not where they want it to be. I think patience is important, and we should all try to look at it from the long-term perspective!

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Absolutely. Facebook didn't start off as it currently is. And they also didn't have the amount of users they now have. Time is required for sure. Things are moving well so far.

Great idea. I think there is a gap for non technical users particularly when it comes to discussing the platform itself. Putting it all together would be helpful.

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I have been using Steemit fairly regular for a couple of months now and I still do not know the differences between Steem, SBD, or Steem Power. I do understand the differences in use, I just don't understand how this format came into how it is or why.

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The whitepaper gives an explanation of the reasons.

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Yes, but to echo your original post, most non technical users do not read or even know what a whitepaper is, so maybe a little dumbing down of some basic information regarding Steem and Steemit.

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Well there is the official faq too and I did an unofficial one which is shorter. Feel free to share more of your thoughts in the chat with me via dm or in the Steemprentice Channel - I and a number of other users are always looking at ways to make the experience easier for new users so your kind of insights are very useful.

I would love to see optional vote tags/checkboxes so that the reason you've voted can be quickly articulated. Something like good discussion, agree, disagree, love, hard work, entertaining, project support, great Steemit info....with multiple selections possible. Also, I have nothing against bots, but presumably these additional votes might be more challenging for them, thereby distinguishing people voting from bot voting. The extra information might be useful to us and might make certain projects easier to execute. We could even create an incentive to add voting tags. The posting account could toggle their availability in their posts...

Should @voteinterestpool be brought back to help distribute Steem? Would there need to be any changes?

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Personally, I liked and supported it the way it was. I do miss it.

I think that to really get steemit moving forward we need to get STEEM accepted as a valid payment for posting bail.

Oh, yeah, Can we do that quickly? I may not have much time!

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what have you done? selling illegal peppers on the street? :)

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The first one's free kid!

That's how I get them hooked!

great idea! @krnel !
I would love to see payout shown to the 3rd decimal place so as to let more users know that they can make a difference! This change doesn't involve anything real, only how the amount is shown. I heard that the coming busy platform might adopt this idea.

On the technical end, I would love to see total pageviews on blog posts counted and (optionally?) displayed somewhere. I would also love for steemit.com to be more easily and reliably searchable.

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Nice. Search has a ticket here: https://github.com/steemit/steemit.com/issues/125

And the post view count is also being worked on here: https://github.com/steemit/steemit.com/issues/581

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Perfect - thanks!

I think too many people are putting too much expectation on the payouts from Steemit as the main attraction, failing to recognize it as one perk among many possibilities. Building on Steemit and the blockchain seems to offer immense potential.
Multiple sites offering an array of goods and services, integrated with Steemit, can expand the community endlessly and provide many points of contact and profitability.
Many of us have ideas. All of us have talents. IMO, one of the greatest challenges is bridging the skills in complementary ways so that ideas can be executed successfully.
I have a bazillion of these ideas. I'm not a coder though, so can't make them happen without working with someone else. But finding someone with the skills and vision to pursue the same things is hard. That's not bad, it's just tough to find someone that would be willing to put the energy in plus partnerships can be tough anyway.

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Nice. Yeah the market place is going to develop over time. Is that the idea you want to develop into code?

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Different ideas. Of course, ideas without execution are just nebulous possibilities.
I'm working on a sister project with SteemStays, for instance. Watch for @expatembassy. Another project I'd like to really get going has a prototype, but I can't manage it without tech support. It's built on WordPress though, and I'd really rather get it on the blockchain integrated with Steemit. That's way over my head. I might do an intro post about it, seeking devs who might be interested.
I'm thinking that current services should be readily integrated into any complementary site. For instance, Peerhubs could provide a marketplace for another site and Steemit Chat could be integrated on sites where community discussion may be helpful.

How about an indie music platform? Pay-per-download in steem. Price set by artist.

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This band Myco, their Steemit is here https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@kylehenry/introducing-myself-and-my-psychedelic-project-myco got a good amount of press just for offering their album for pre-sale in digital format using Bitcoin only first using OpenBazaar. If someone else on Steemit would do the same thing, OpenBazaar is already built to sell digital goods like music, and users can have all their sales directly converted into Steem thanks to Shapeshift.

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I wish that the cheetah bot would be turned off until it is fixed or at the very least renamed if it is supposedly not supposed to have a negative connotation for both Steemit users and readers. I have examples and links in the comments of http://steemit.com/art/@streetartgallery/anthony-freda-illustrator-and-political-artist-bio-gallery

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No issue there... it didn't flag you. Just a message of content detection.

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We are just using the term flag differently, I mean in the general sense it is flagging posts, not that it is using the Steeming flag a comment or post system. Either way the point is still the same, that "just a message of content detection" comes under the guise of a bot named "cheetah" who gets automatic upvotes from other bots. So the bot should either be renamed or it should be toned down and or have the ability to whitelist users who post content regularly that contains description / copy / or product text. There is no positive view from the stand point of a user who is just reading a post on Steemit and then sees the comment give a heavy impression that the content is stolen. As nice of the wording of the bot is, with the name cheetah and it being an automated thing, users will find issues with the posts. On top of this, I have seen other bots use the 'cheetah' flagged posts as a gauge of whether or not a post would make some kind of list.

The bot is not a bad idea, but is bad in it's current form, along with it not detecting posts which are including sources, it is not giving a good impression of Steemit to users who would see it, I really believe this all should be given a deeper look at the very least.


Hi @krnel, I just stopped back to let you know your post was one of my favourite reads yesterday and I included it in my Steemit Ramble. You can read what I wrote about your post here.

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Cool, thanks. I'll take that as more positive for that post, and likely do it again with a recap of previous post.

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from the comments, it appears to have generated some thought and discussion.