Something for everybody: Quality, value, spam... "Whatever"

in #steem6 years ago (edited)

Today, @taskmaster4450 wrote a post on quality and value and took some flack in the comments section from people who are not seeing the bigger picture. Having said that, @taskmaster4450 is wrong, it isn't quality or value, that is a false dichotomy, it isn't an either or situation.

What is Steem?

Steem is just a content delivery infrastructure that is tailored to just that, content. It doesn't judge, it doesn't upvote, it doesn't flag, it doesn't care what type of content it delivers at all. That is on us, the users.

One of the interesting factors of Steem is that for a community of people pushing decentralization, many seem to want yo have a catchall system that caters for and feeds them exactly what they want, no matter what they want. Now, Steemit.com is just such a system that delivers what everyone wants, just not the wants of any one individual. It is a catchall that is indifferent to the needs of anyone, no filters on posting, no algorithms to hide anything other than the community's capabilities to flag to remove reward or gray out. It satisfies - no one.

What people don't realize is that Steem being just a content delivery platform is actually no different to how the average user happily uses the internet now. An individual can go to Instagram and post a selfie, to BBC to read the news, take a link of interest over to Facebook to create a post, take an Imgur meme for a reply, start a thread on Reddit and write an article about it on Medium before sharing it to their Twitter followers. Of course, then kick back and finish the day with some porn.

Wake up

People don't seem to want to recognize that Steem can be all of those points and many more, including gaming, product hunts, scientific peer review, Government voting systems, news sites, chats... Anything that qualifies as content can be included. Currently, the range is relatively small but one of the problems is the workflow most have as they tend to use a catchall interface. Someone who surfs applications by content type might use it differently. At the moment, we don't have a wide enough range of services, or a community to populate them all.

When it comes to the question of quality, I would like to spend my time consuming quality articles that engage me and help me improve my life in some way. But, that doesn't stop someone else spending their time on a site that creates clickbait articles like, "You won't BELIEVE what she did!!" Nonsense. Yeah, that can be on Steem too.

When it comes to decentralization of service, a centralized news site is pulling in content from many sources simultaneously. The pictures load from one service, the adverts another, the story another. Each one of these services is getting paid for their role in keeping our eyes on to increase their Time on Site (TOS) numbers to increase ad revenues. Steem is just starting to get into these kinds of things with services like @dclick adding adverts into posts.

Application for content niche

The applications being built on Steem need to start differentiating themselves based on content rather than trying to cater to the entire community. The people who are posting commonly through @steemhunt might not (and don't need to) give a damn about what is posted onto @dtube in the same way that someone on Reddit does not need to care what a person is watching on Netflix on the other side of the world. All of this is content that can be delivered through the Steem network in various ways, and monetized by those who choose to.

This is the way the internet works but because people are narrowly focused on a catchall delivery system, they want to get righteous about what Steem should be. I know, I used to think the same when once upon a time I would sign my posts:

[ a SteemIT original ]

 
I was wrong, Steemit is just one face, Steem is a decentralized community that can have a massive number of faces, as many as we can possible create if we so choose. There can be @ dFromage to review and discuss fancy cheeses or, @ dShoes where one can have one-off shoes designed and tailor made. It doesn't matter. You might not want to talk about cheese but, it doesn't stop it from existing or, from being valuable to someone out there.

What is Steem again?

Before we can go mainstream, we who are here need to understand what Steem actually is, not what content it can hold. Steem is a rudimentary content delivery infrastructure that can be used to share content and distribute a token upon it in various ways. Sure, there are some other parts to it like immutability and censorship resistance, but all in all, there is nothing fancy about it . Oh, except like @transisto pointed out several times in the State of Steem comments section last night, the fast, frictionless, feeless, borderless transactional capabilities. Something the applications should be leveraging heavily as often as they can.

The argumentation about quality is impotent on a platform that is as potentially diverse as Steem, because with enough users, Steem is able to cater for everyone in as many increasingly granular niches as we the community choose to create. At the moment, no one is stopping anyone from entering into some areas of Steem and, no one is forcing anyone to read anything they don't want to read. Enough with the fake internet outrage and high-horsery please, as there are many other factors and challenges that need to be addressed before that devolution.

Not a catchall, a create-all

In my opinion, we need to stop seeing Steem as one thing and start visualizing it much more like the internet at large, which has all kinds of content with most being completely uninteresting and useless to a single individual. You might be interested in watching Two girls, one cup but it doesn't mean everyone has to be, nor does it have to appear at the top of Trending on @dtaste. This is the internet, Steem is the blockchained internet.

The communities are where the real power and value lays because it will be them who develop the applications and the content that populates it. A community can set various limitations on their app if they choose. For example, I can't submit a product hunt or a meme to @steemmonsters yet, they can all happily reside on the Steem blockchain without the blockchain giving a f^ck what it is.

If you want to produce what you consider quality (I try my best), then by all means do it. If you think posting memes will earn you access to votes, go for it. Sure, there are ramifications to what we create here but in time, if the applications do their job well by producing engaging and compelling experience for those they onboard, the market will decide what the value will be. After all, that is what markets are meant to be used for.

That is what your upvotes and flags are by the way; the market deciding. If you want different, surround yourself with different, create different and most of all, buy differently.

Taraz
[ a Steem original ]

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A very good response to a controversy I hadn't heard of. I understand what @taskmaster4450 was getting at, but Steemit can be just as much an echo-chamber as anyone prefers, in my sight. I follow people that I like, and ignore people that I don't. I have specific tastes and I browse accordingly. I'm not sure why anyone would think Steemit should be anything other than that.

I'm here primarily for the community and the spirit that I've found here. I'm sure not everybody feels the same way, but that's okay... they don't owe me anything. To me, Steemit is the anti-Facebook, where I don't -have- to be inundated with stupid bullshit everytime I go to the site. I don't -have- to unfollow all of my friends to avoid clickbait and Outrage Industry trolling.

And the best thing is.. if I wanted to go on a tear around Steemit, flagging everything I -don't- like (a completely self-entitled and wasteful thing to do) there is nothing to stop me. Anybody who's getting all butthurt because Steemit doesn't auto-censor things should just step up and become a censor themselves... doubt there's gonna much Steem in it for them.

People are so strange.

Dear @yestermorrow, @tarazkp

I'm not sure why anyone would think Steemit should be anything other than that.,

I'm on the same page here. Indeed I think most STEEM and Steemit users are happy with current state things. My current biggest concern is a question, if Steemit can survive? And if cannot then what Steemit Inc will do with all their tokens. If they flood the market then STEEM community will struggle more than ever.

Cheers
Piotr

Who knows what they will do but, they can survive if needed or, splinter off into something else if needed too.

Dear @tarazkp

It's also great to see how responsive you are. Steemit need more people like you.

Thank you.

cheers, Piotr

Part of being in a community is the relationships formed between members and most of that won't come through a post itself, but the comments below, the conversations in chat etc. If we want a strong community, we have to get to know the neighbours :)

Very wise words @tarazkp

I've heard lately, that creating only quality content without engagement is pretty much like organizing great dinner, inviting people and then telling them "enjoy" and walking away. Leaving all guests abandoned.

Yours
Piotr

Yes, I am being unfair on @taskmaster4450 a bit on purpose because I know he can take it. =)

I'm not sure why anyone would think Steemit should be anything other than that.

Because of the Steem/money involved. If it was on their post rather than something else, they wouldn't mind as much.

I don't -have- to unfollow all of my friends to avoid clickbait and Outrage Industry trolling.

Very good point. d yes, these interfaces that empower speech in various ways are going to be important.

Anybody who's getting all butthurt because Steemit doesn't auto-censor things should just step up and become a censor themselves... doubt there's gonna much Steem in it for them.

Not much at all but they are welcome to do it. Trending is generally a good place to start but there are many corners of Steem no one looks.

People are so strange.

Makes us interesting, at least sometimes.

Taraz, you weren’t wrong before. Since once upon a time Steem was only accessible through steemit.com, and it was predominantly a writing platform, without any bells and whistles.

Remember the time when Facebook was all about taking tests and writing on walls, and no ads?

Steem is evolving ang growing new branches 🌱🌿 in 10 years it’s going to look like a completely different monster than it is now. The price of Steem is important, but setbacks are normal and healthy. The only way it can survive is through the user base.

I won’t be surprised that at some point some company is going to start harvesting user data from the blockchain and analyzing it. For example to cater to services like dclick.
(Like analyzing the contents of the bloggers who click at certain adds etc)

I can’t wait for real publishers to begin looking for new talent on Steem :) the way Instagram is used now to discover new talent.

I was wrong in my short-sighted and uninformed vision of the future . I am okay with that, I was due for being wrong this decade... ;)

Steem is evolving ang growing new branches 🌱🌿 in 10 years it’s going to look like a completely different monster than it is now

If Steem does what I think it can, it will be unrecognisable and very elusive to pin down.

The price of Steem is important, but setbacks are normal and healthy.

It is important now because it aids distribution for staked voting which will hopefully make this place much healthier when it increases in price again.

I won’t be surprised that at some point some company is going to start harvesting user data from the blockchain and analyzing it.

I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't happening already and not all for monetisation purposes.

I can’t wait for real publishers to begin looking for new talent on Steem :) the way Instagram is used now to discover new talent.

Real publishers as well as a whole range of new developers coming in to create and leverage the infrastructure below us.

Oh yeah :) they are definitely collecting data already!

This is all super exciting :D

I never thought that YouTube would ever start offering no-ad subscriptions and movies for payment (albeit I’m surprised they don’t offer a range of languages and subtitles with them)
Or who thought iTunes would become a store?? I remember even that Apple stayed that’d never happen...
I just dream that someday public transport will accept payments in Steem that could be directly withdrawn from the wallet...oh how cool would that be!

I just dream that someday public transport will accept payments in Steem that could be directly withdrawn from the wallet...oh how cool would that be!

There are so many use cases for these kinds of transactions it is endless. What might be interesting is a token that can accept and convert them all automatically on the fly through an exchange.

Well, it has been done sort of. That’s why it comes to my mind :) in Japan you can use the phone or a transport card which is connected to a credit card. You can either put some money on it yourself like a prepaid, or it will automatically “refill” from the credit card when you go through the metro gates. The system has been around longer than smartphones. So i really hope someone would find partners and investors in Japan, because they have the infrastructure ready for it.

Yep, they do it here too, shouldnt be to difficult

I totally agree and the fact that some DApps have already started creating niches in their communities will demonstrate the economies created amongst them. However, the one concern is that the staked based system of votes and flags here has the potential to influence the content seen too much one way or another. This is something not seen elsewhere in centralized platforms...

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The way the applications handle this will change also. No votes or flags while playing SM I think, just on the posts.

In my opinion, we need to stop seeing Steem as one thing and start visualizing it much more like the internet at large, which has all kinds of content with most being completely uninteresting and useless to a single individual. You might be interested in watching Two girls, one cup but it doesn't mean everyone has to be, nor does it have to appear at the top of Trending on @dtaste. This is the internet, Steem is the blockchained internet.

Steem is diverse, we cannot always achieve or reach a consensus as regards what is classified as a quality rather we can promote steem with the uniqueness in various decentralized applications. What works as a great and quality content on @dtube platform maybe a thrash or irrelevant on @steemmonsters game site. Would that made “monstusers” bias towards quality content? The answer is No, in the same vein @taskmasters4450 POV would be relevant assuming steemIT & every other dapps isn't on a chain. But nevertheless, he has got some point though - how do we juxtapose value created and quality added to the chain?

Yes, @taskmaster4450 does have a point and he is definitely not wrong, quality doesn't matter for some things but it depends on use case of the application. There are many value adding activities that will require quality in various ways. The beauty is that there is space for everything.

I still view steem like AOL, or compuserve, or any of the early internet portals. Then came the web browsers, looking into and not just relegated to one service but able to see them all. Steemit is a very early limited browser capable of looking at the steem blockchain. There are beginning to be more blockchains like steem. That means the blockchain browsers will get better. AOL, compuserve and other early portals did not just die, they grew they morphed, they combined they still semi live on, just as there are some die hard BBS.

One day we will sit down at our computers, look through the blockchain diary browser and see where and who we received more tokens from, thus spending a bit more time in that blockchain than the other.

Narrow thoughts are what hold most projects back. There is absolutely no reason in my mind why a front end is only relegated to one blockchain. Granted I am not a developer, but I am sure that the bosses at AOL when Netscape started did not see them as being capable of showing their content alongside that of Compuserve. Netscape outlasted both of those companies, and eventually sort of semi lost the browser wars.

High horsery! I have decided I love this term XD

One of the interesting factors of Steem is that for a community of people pushing decentralization, many seem to want yo have a catchall system that caters for and feeds them exactly what they want, no matter what they want.

Have noticed this and find it mildly amusing XD

I liked the sound of it, spell check didn't :)

An individual can go to..... to BBC to read the news,

..now that's funny! lol

Good post.

I didn't say they get the news :D

I'm not sure how closely you follow this stuff....but for the last 5/6 years, they've become the UK government propaganda arm...Noticeably biased and downright lying nowadays.
Quite depressing..

I don't spend much time on entertainment like gaming, TV shows, news.

...only scan the politics stuff nowadays..

it must over 6 years or more since I watched 'tv'..

This post has been included in today's SOS Daily News - a digest of all you need to know about the State of Steem.



i just delegated to @dstors, don't know if it will go anywhere, but what the hell.

steem has a chance but we all gotta fly right because blockchain competition will only get stronger

There are many projects with good chances of being successful, Steem just needs the infra and community to drive them.

It took me a long time to get the idea of the Steem blockchain too. It wasn't until all these different apps started up that it finally became clear to me what they were trying to do. A single "quality blogging" site is not going to appeal to everyone, just a certain group. The same goes for all the others dapps. Steemmonsters isn't my sort of thing, but lots of people love it. I don't really get the appeal of Steemhunt either, but it's doing well. I'm looking forward to the day that dTube becomes easier to upload to, but it's so problematic at the moment that some people can't use it.

I would suggest that maybe taskmaster isn't entirely wrong, however. Value is subjective. No-one will interact if they don't find something of value. The blockchain doesn't care what goes into it, but the one entering something onto it is doing so because at that moment they see some value from doing so. Even if it's just an experiment of entering a full stop and posting, to see what happens.

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