Vote Values in Steem Basic Income - Part Three: Where Are We Going?

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Steem Basic Income

Steem Basic Income is a social experiment to bring a basic income to as many Steemians as possible. Members join by sponsoring others into the program. Steem Basic Income is delivered through providing regular upvotes to member content.


Where does the value of your vote come from in Steem Basic Income? The purpose of this series is to break things down with as little math as possible. To make it easy for everyone to better understand how value moves within the SBI system. To let everyone make the best decisions about how to use SBI to help you reach your Steem goals.

Series Roadmap

As a subscription upvote service that utilizes Steem blockchain to deliver a sustainable basic income, we are completely dependent on Steem blockchain reward mechanism.

In Part One, we explored what drives value on Steem.
Vote Values in Steem Basic Income - Part One: Blockchain

In Part Two, we explained each of the factors that determine how we allocate value within the SBI system, and how those four factors are handled under our current system.
Vote Values in Steem Basic Income - Part Two: The Way We Were

Today we will explore how the four factors are handled in the new system that will be released soon.

Next time, we will recap the changes and explore the expected impact. We don't want you to make big financial decisions to maximize your reward under the old system, only to have your value outcome dramatically change when the new system is released.

Future Value Mechanisms

You may have noticed in Part Two that the value factors are interconnected in the current system. This has the unfortunate effect of making the value very hard to track without a full understanding of the system. Most members throw up their hands and hope that things work as intended. Some members make decisions based on incorrect understanding and then get very upset when the outcomes are different then they anticipate. A few members take the time to fully understanding the complexities.

One of our key design objectives in the new system was to make value more transparent. Not only does this make the numbers easier to understand, but it also makes it possible for us to eventually build better tools that will show exactly where the value breakdown came from for each member.

In the new system, we will be tracking detailed rshares balances for each member, and they will be tracked separately for each value factor. The overall accrued balance will be used to determine how much upvote will be delivered to each member post or comment.

(SBI Token design by @thekittygirl)

SBI Levels

Each level, or unit, of SBI will earn a daily accrual of 800M rshares. This is very close to the actual level that is currently votable with the target ratio of 2 SP per unit. Enrollments will be processed automatically every 2.4 hours, and will immediately begin earning rshares once processed. In rare cases where an enrollment does not follow the appropriate syntax, the accrual might not begin until manual intervention is made, but it will still be much faster processing than occurs under the current system.

Delegation Bonuses

Each delegation will receive bonus units at a rate of one bonus unit for every 2 SP delegation. This is 5x better than the current reward, and it makes delegation to Steem Basic Income one of the most rewarding delegation choices for people that actively post. These bonus units will also receive a daily accrual of 800M rshares. You still have to be enrolled in @steembasicincome to receive this benefit.

(Steempeak has great new charting tools)

Upvoting Bonuses

The new reward system for upvoting bonuses is the most dramatic change in the new system. Instead of it creating a multiplier on your unit counts, it will be a completely separate value factor. Each time we receive author rewards for a post or comment, on any official SBI account, we will identify the rshares that each member added to that reward using their upvotes. Those rshares will be added to the member balance, with a multiplier of 1.25x.

Essentially, if you upvote us by 800M rshares, you will receive 1000M rshares to your balance when that post pays out. This separates your upvoting bonuses from your unit counts and instead ties them directly to your upvote value. You are rewarded directly for your contribution to the long-term sustainability of the program! You still have to be enrolled in @steembasicincome to receive this benefit.


Accounts that have not posted or commented in at least 100 days will have their rshares balance reduced by 1% each day. The total rshares balance removed from these inactive accounts will be redistributed to the rest of the member base. We will design the redistribution system in a way that gives us the flexibility to experiment and select the best redistribution algorithms. Some of the algos that we are considering:

  1. A Steem Basic Income curation league. Members would be scored for their curation and receive a share of the redistribution based on their ranking in the SBI curation league.
  2. Community Support Initiatives. Criteria would be established for communities to be officially recognized as SBI Community Support Initiatives. A blend of quantitative and qualitative factors would determine the level of additional support these initiatives receive.
  3. SBI - User Authority. A custom User Authority calculation would be given to each SBI member and members would receive upvote value based on those rankings. Instead of using Witness rankings as the initial seed, we would use SBI levels for our top 100 members. The algorithm would only consider the follow-graph of approved SBI members, instead of the entire active Steem user-base (naturally excluding bot-nets controlled by blacklisted Steemians and scammers from the calculations). This method would allocate more value to members that are actively networking and supporting each other, but in a way that removes some of the more controversial aspects of @steem-ua.
  4. Pro Rata. Value would be redistributed pro rata to the active members, based on their SBI levels.
  5. Flat redistribution. Value would be redistributed evenly, with every member getting the same amount, independent of other performance factors or SBI levels.

There are benefits and drawbacks to each potential approach, and I expect our choices here to be hotly debated. Most likely, we will attach some weight to each of them. As we release these algorithms, it's important to remember that you are already receiving your subscribed upvotes through the first three value factors. This fourth factor is not something members are entitled to, and we could just as easily remove this factor entirely now that the SP levels we need to maintain will not be directly linked to any of the factors.

What About Pools?

Members will not be assigned to a particular pool anymore. Instead, our system will dynamically identify the best account to deliver your upvote - each time you post. Broadly speaking, each upvote will be delivered by the account with the highest VP% that has enough SP to deliver it. We expect to reach an equilibrium where members that post with consistency will usually get their upvotes from the same voting account, but it will respond dynamically to changes in member behavior.

What Do You Think?

Did we knock these factors out of the park, or did we strike out and then round the bases anyway? In the next post, we will recap the changes and their expected impact.

Helpful Reading📖
A Complete OverviewFrequently Asked Questions
Managing Voting PowerPulling Back the Screen
Steem Basic Income, rShares, and AutomationNew SBI Member Lookup Tool
Vote Values in Steem Basic Income - Part One: BlockchainVote Values in Steem Basic Income - Part Two: The Way We Were

Foreign Language Resources📖
[VN] Phân tích rủi ro và ước lượng xác suất cho SBI.[Traduction] Steem Basic Income - FAQ
[PT] Steem Basic Income - Questões FrequentesSteem基本收入 (Steem Basic Income) - 常见问题 FAQ
Filipino Translation: Steem Basic Income - Frequently Asked QuestionsFilipino Translation: Steem Basic Income - A Complete Overview
Indonesia translation: Steem Basic Income - Frequently Asked Questions


If you want to get involved, or to increase the share of basic income that you receive, enrollment is pretty straightforward:

Just send 1 STEEM to @steembasicincome. Include the name of a Steemian to sponsor in the transaction memo (preceded by @). You and the person you sponsor will each receive 1 share in the program. You can sponsor any active Steemian, it does not have to be a current member.

If you're unclear, please check out our full transaction memo guidelines and then let us know if you have any questions.

The official currency for enrollment is STEEM. Please allow up to 7 days for your enrollment to be processed.


Please read our recently published FAQ. Most questions are addressed in our FAQ or in the additional resources that it suggests. If you still have questions, ask in the comments section or join us in our discord channel. To review your share counts, we recently introduced our new SBI Member Lookup Tool.


It's nice to see that @josephsavage / @steembasicincome trie(s) to promote and balance the SBI eco-system in a way to integrate it smoothly into the steem environment without corrupting it or discriminating against the steemians who do not participate in the project 😊 @peekbit

Thank you for your support!

Some big changes, indeed.I can't wait to see how this will play out... but with the excellent job you've doing so far, I ain't even worried. I bet whatever modifications will do, will be good for everyone! :-D

Thank you for your support! We are actually very close to release, so I'm starting to get very excited.

I love SBI so I'm happy with everything you're doing. 💕

I'm listed with the inactive people in steembasicincome sheet, because I was on a pause from crypto world as well as Steemit.
Now I'm back, so I was wondering can you return me in the active segment?

Thank you

We automatically reactivate accounts in the normal course of rebalance cycles. It typically takes 2-3 days from when you start posting again.

We will be releasing the new system very soon and then inactive accounts will not be paused any more.

Thanks for the info.

Excellent. So the quick question then is, mathematically, are better off
a) delegating 2 sp which becomes 1 SBI
b) upvoting with the strength of that 2 sp for 1.25x rshares return

I'm not sure how the math works. If I have 2 sp and I vote at 100% with it, it will produce xMrshares. Is x=80? (i.e. I can vote 10 times a day at 100%... is that 800Mrshares?)

Does that then mean that voting with those 2 shares will return 1000rshares to me/day, whereas delegating would return a mere 800rshares to me daily?

Buying a share, though... you create 2 shares, each worth 800rshares/day. So, while you've short-term lost the steem, once your expenses are recouped, plus the income you haven't earned while recouping your expenses, you'll catch up to that amount shortly thereafter, and then be moving at 4 times the speed (assuming you're also receiving as many shares as you gift) of the delegator. Does this seem correct?

The return on an enrollment is higher than the return for delegating a comparable amount, but with delegation you control the SP still.

The return on upvotes is higher than for delegation of same SP, but only if you expect to earn delegation. As we receive so many upvotes, we expect most members to get low curation from upvoting us.

The multiplier makes it so upvoting us is slightly better than upvoting yourself. If you assume no curation from your upvote on us, then the return on delegation to us should be close to same as upvoting us.

All told, we think that in most cases your SBI optimization will be driven more by your other steem goals, as the different value factors achieve very similar results.

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Excellent! That's what I want to hear! (that the particulars make no difference, and so just behave normally)

We've tried really hard to redesign the system to continue rewarding positive Steem behavior, but without some of the perverse incentives that were in the original system.

You mean, like, spending ALL your steem on SBI, so you have no sp?

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Yes, that is one of the activities that we unintentionally encouraged, and the incentive to do that will be diminished significantly under the new system.

Does upvoting comments count towards the added rshares or only main posts?

Comments and posts from @steembasicincome and all pool accounts.

Including this comment! :)

We don't plan to start posting ten times a day, though.

well, no, but upvoting once with 20sp would be like upvoting 10 times with 2... but also, it will count upvotes on comments, too, right?

It will. After release we will be releasing more resources, including infographics, etc. And I would be happy to go over the particulars of your situation.

I've tried to make each value factor attractive on its own, so that the choices on which to optimize are driven by your own circumstances and goals instead of by having to enroll vs. delegate to get decent value

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Can you resume voting on my posts please. Cheers! :-)

@josephsavage, this user has completed his SteemCleaners rehabilitation.

I will check, but it should come up for reactivation naturally as soon as there is a week with posts and no flags.

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Cheetah 'unbanned' me 7 days ago. Sbi is still not voting my posts when I last checked - today. Please look into it. Thanks. :-)

To be reactivated from a pause under current system, there have to be a full 7 days with no flags when we do our data pull. We typically pull fresh data for this purpose every 2 days. At our last data pull 2 days ago you still had 3 flags in the 7 days previous.

We will do another data pull today and if your account comes up clean then it will be reactivated as we rebalance pool 9 today or tomorrow.

SBI is one of my vary favorite initiatives on Steemit, and congratulations on getting all these steps automated... I hope everything runs smoothly for you!

I'm especially looking forward to having a better "lookup" facility to see account balances. I've gotten to the point where I pretty much have no idea how many shares I have in the program.

All the best!

Thanks for your support. We've already updated the Member Lookup Tool with limited functionality, and we have better tools coming out soon.

I'm showing a current level of 32 units for you.

SBI Member Lookup Tool

I like the proposed changes to the upvotes system where the reward is proportionate to how much you are actually helping grow the SBI program. It may even help reduce the amount of payout rewards that are "burned" due to early voting.

We know that most curation rewards on our posts are "burned" because of early voting. That's why we set our upvoting reward multiplier at 1.25x. Even without curation, it will be as attractive to support SBI sustainability as it is to self-vote.

This is quite something. Sounds pretty detailed. Great job and I wish you success.

Thanks! We've put quite a bit of work into this project over the last year. Sometimes I'm surprised at how far we've come, and sometimes shocked that we haven't come further...

When it comes to upvoting someone it is confusing as how is it distributed sometimes. What part can we benefit from, having a higher steemit power or number of upvotes?

You're asking about value in general on Steem, or in SBI? You may want to review Parts One and Two if you're just starting the series now with Part Three.

what is difference between SBI to steem power?

At the bottom of this post, there is a list of resources, including FAQ's in several different languages. Please check first whether one of them is in your language, and read it. If not, you should read each English post slowly and take notes on your questions. As you read the next, check whether it answers any of your questions as you read, and take notes of any new questions.

When you are done, if you still have any questions left then you should identify as clearly as possible whether they are questions about Steem or about Steem Basic Income (a specific program on Steem) before asking them again.

We do assume a base level of understanding in our posts (e.g. What is Steem Power), but more in depth questions (e.g. What is rShares) are explained in our writing where they are first introduced.

Looks like a very balanced and fair system from here. I like the ability to sponsor someone, and did so today. It's the gift that keeps on giving! :)

Thanks for your support. I've tried to keep it fair and balanced, and to learn as much as possible from this first almost year of operation and incorporate those lessons into the new design.

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Your UA account score is currently 5.560 which ranks you at #544 across all Steem accounts.
Your rank has dropped 1 places in the last three days (old rank 543).

In our last Algorithmic Curation Round, consisting of 244 contributions, your post is ranked at #17.

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I'm unable to join discord. I was banned by a bot on posting a post link When coinlisting contest was ongoing. There was no warning. Please what can i do to join discord again.?

Ban has been revoked. Please read and follow the server rules.

Congrats, someone thinks that your post was good enough to be deserving of a vote. Enjoy it.

I upvoted your post.

Keep steeming for a better tomorrow.
@Acknowledgement - God Bless

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!sbi status

Hi @amico!

  • you have 67 units and 4500 bonus units
  • your rshares balance is 9137979429142 or 4.546 $
  • your next SBI upvote is predicted to be 0.909 $