I quite like the Steem Proposal System, I just wish more people would engage with it!

in #steem23 days ago (edited)

I wish more people would vote for some of the proposals on the [Steem Proposal System].(https://steemproposals.com/proposals)


In case you don’t know what the SPS it roughly works like this: 10% of the total Steem Reward pool goes towards the SPS. Developers and Entrepreneurs can propose projects for funding from that 10% of the rewards pool.

Steem Users can then vote on what projects they want funded, much like they vote for witnesses, with voting being stake weighted – the more Steem Power a user has, the more their vote is worth.

Any proposal receiving sufficient voting power to lift it above the ‘return proposal’ gets funded until it falls back below the return proposal, which currently has 16 Million SP worth of votes, so in order to gain funding, any proposal needs more than 16M SP worth of votes.

I guess the idea behind the return proposal is that it prevents the 10% of the rewards pool being watered down so that it can’t fund any significant development projects.

ATW there’s a fair bit of money available in the SPS system – around a total of 250K SBD, roughly $200K, or just under 2500 SBD or $2000 dollars a day available in funding .

FIVE Projects currently receiving SPS funding

There’s presently eight (or really five/ six*) projects which are currently getting funded through the Steem Proposal System (SPS)

*I say ‘really six’ because one of them is @thecryptodrive’s no brainer SBD conversion proposal which simply returns money back to the SPS, and two of the proposals are either for or against switching to a 4 week Power Down period, neither of which yet has funding, and if any will be needed, and it can only be one or t’other!

As far as I see it, the five ‘real projects’ currently receiving funding are all ‘no brainer’s for the forward development of Steem. You can check out the full list here at Steem Proposals

  • @yabapmatt and a few other developers are receiving 100 SBD a day for ongoing development of Steem Key Chain – which allows for smooth access to a range of Steem Dapps, crucial for a pleasant user experience.
  • @netuoso’s receiving 150 SBD a day for development of Vessel, the Steem desktop wallet, and let’s face it – the currency is a major part of why we’re all here.
  • @anyx is receiving 15 SBD day to run anyx.io – free to use API infrastructure, and he’s the only other person besides Steemit (according to his blurb) to run infrastructure with high-level specs. Without storage, there’s no access!
  • @howo’s receiving 180 SBD a day to test and fix bugs relevant to the SMT hard fork, which seems pretty crucial to Steem’s long term vision.
  • @steemonboarding are receiving 100 SBD a day to produce resources explaining how to use Steem to new users, in several languages…. And let’s face it, this is essential given how complex Steem is.

Relatively few SP and even fewer people have voted.

As far as I can see, all of five presently funded proposals are ‘no-brainer’ proposals for the benefit of the Steem blockchain – they also seem to fit ‘nicely’ with how Steem works – back end hosting, code-testing, wallet development, accessing the chain smoothly and onboarding and keeping users, quite a nice mix.

What strikes me as odd is how few people have voted for these……

Taking SPS votes for @yabapamatt as an example, he has around 91MVESTs worth of support as the number one witness, but only 25M SP, or around 50 MVESTS worth of support for his Key Chain development work.

I guess it’s possible that people might support him as a witness, yet also think that Key Chain is guff, or that he doesn’t deserve to be paid anymore, but there’s also the possibility that people just haven’t bothered to check in with the SPS and vote! I imagine the later is more likely.

Further evidence for the ‘lazy SPS voter thesis' lies in the lack of votes either for or against the 4 Week Power Down Proposal – both of these combined have around 35 million SP of support, which is very roughly around 15% of available SP accounted for.

We’d have to take of the massive SP owned by Steemit, which is worth roughly the same again, but this still leaves around two thirds of SP unused in relation to what seems to be a pretty big issue. Then again maybe the non voters don't care either way, or think their votes are ineffective.

There’s also the fact that I don’t have to scroll down that far on the proposals to find my own name there with my derisory 27K SP!

Final thoughts

I wish people would engage more with the SPS… especially when there are so many proposals worthy of funding, and when it’s so easy to vote – I mean you can even proxy someone else!

Maybe people are waiting for ‘killer proposals' or for the overall pool to build up, thinking it will be more attractive, I could see the advantage of that…. Once there’s a million SBD available for funding projects, THAT might really start to be attractive, $250K sounds like a lot, but in developers terms, maybe not!

Apologies for the very rough maths!


might help to show them how to do it

Engagement is one of the most effective attitudes to make things work properly here (and outside the internet).

Yes, it's not rocket science, although I still have reservations about stake weighted voting!


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I'll look into this!

I hope you get a nice percentage out of this, but I think you got in too early!

I tried this the other day with someone else at 2 mins and my efficiency is way down at 60%, despite a decent pay-out!

I don’t really try to think about the efficiency and just use it to help support posts I like or raise an important subject like this one.

I totally agree with you, and although I have been doing my bit to try and support proposals I’m fact I’m as bad as everyone else for not voting many so far.

The theory behind SPS is good, but realistically if the top twenty want a proposal to happen it will - the rest of us adding our vote is little more then a token gesture to show we like the idea.

Yes true, get @blocktrades onboard and you're already a quarter of the way there!

It took quite a lot of work from @anomadsoul to rustle up support to lift @steemonboarding above the return proposal, a lot of that focusing on very large accounts.

And thanks for the tipu vote, appreciated, I actually think it's a very clever way of gamifying curation, one of the cleverest things on Steem in fact!

You're still above 100% efficiency I notice!

I'm not sure about "lazy". People have a limited amount of time and they set their priorities about how they want to spend it - goodness knows Steem vould eat up all of it one way or another. Plus, as you pointed out in a previous post, even at 27,000 SP, does your vote make any difference either way, so why would people give attention to this?

I did put the lazy thing in inverted commas!

I just see this and the witness votes as fundamental!

I can't vote on these things anywhere else!

Albeit only as decentralised as yr SP.

Interesting that on witness votes and this it's total SP not active that counts

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I take your point 😎

It's like voting for witnesses that not everyone does. We do get to have a say in the future of Steem through these. We can get the rewards to projects we like.

I think it's worth voting... and it doesn't take too long!

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I have support a few projects, but I honestly forget to check it x)
And my SP doesn't even more projects 1% :p

Yes fair point, it is depressing when you realise how little influence one has compared to the larger accounts! Still, I think it's better to use one's SP!

I updated some of my votes after I read your post :D
But ye, it doesn't change much :p

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I don't like it. I was using it but the last proposal I voted for was the one set up by @steemchiller to get funding for developing Steemworld.

Many whales used that proposal to try forcing him to release the code for a few peanuts and then they acted together to make sure his proposal was rejected.

If the SPS is going to be used to abuse power like that, I don't care for it. At all.

From that point, I started ignoring the proposals completely.

People should be free to develop their apps as they feel like. Steemworld's Source Code is worth a lot more than what the whales were offering.

Fair comment,

Unfortunately that is like in a decetralised stake based voting system, whales with effectively double standards!

It's appalling what you say. Steemworld is well worth a vote!

Yeah there's lots of silent (deadly) accounts voting for witnesses, but the lead account in that mess of proxies obviously isn't voting for proposals. I actually think if you disregard that silent stake, there is a reasonable turn out for the SPS from the larger accounts.

I wonder if you can track number of voters anywhere....?

It could be worse I suppose!

It's no doubt possible to track voters, it'd also be interesting to see the largest accounts that have voted for witness but haven't voted for SPS, or haven't voted for either.

And to see how many of whatever levels have voted for either.

I'm sure @crokkon would love to get his teeth stuck into that mess! He probably hasn't got anything better to do until Valentine's Day.

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