2 minute Open Survey Of The Alt Media/ Truth Community - Please Share Widely .... Ken O´Keefe, Max Igan, David Icke, Richie Allen, Jan Irvin, Ole Dammegard, Mark Passio, Larken Rose, Michael Tsarion, Grace Power, Adam Kokesh, Russell Brand
2 minute Open Survey Of The Alternative Media/ Truth Community - Please Share Widely
Ken O´Keefe, Max Igan, David Icke, Richie Allen, Jan Irvin, Ole Dammegard, Mark Passio, Larken Rose, Michael Tsarion, Grace Power, Adam Kokesh, Joe Rogan, Russell Brand, James Corbett, Mark Knight, Santos Bonnacci, Jeanice Barcelo, Bart Sibrel, Webster Tarpley, Manjir Samanta-Laughton, Paul Craig Roberts, Abby Martin, Nassim Haramein, Robert Menard, Max Ashley, Tere Joyce, Carlita Shaw, Mary Elizabeth Croft, Sherri Peel Jackson, Cindy Sheehan, Sonia Poulton, Mark Windows, Sean Stone, Henrik Palmgren, Don Ferguson, Bernhard Guenther, Sascha Stone,Syrian Girl, Sibel Edmonds, Lilou Grace, Abby Martin, Regina (Conscious Media Network), Mel Ve, Charlie Veitch, Mark Devlin, Jeff Berwick, Jordan Maxwell, Ben Stewart, Bruce Lipton, Dan Dicks, Luke Rudkowski, Eric Dubay, G. Edward Griffin, Dean Clifford, Joe Marshalla, Kevin Kostelnick, Benny Wills, Rick Simpson, Freeman Fly, Elizabeth Seninde, David Wolfe, Mel Fabregas, Marty Leeds, Alan Watt, Vigilant Citizen, Gilad Atzmon, Jay Dyer, Jay Parker, Laura Eisenhower, Teal Swan, Fritz Springmeir, Tracy Twyman, Daniel Pinchbeck, Stewart Swerdlow, Jay Weidner, Gregg Braden, Mary Sean Young, Lenon Honor, Sophia Smallstorm, Graeme Hancock, Dr Judy Wood, Rupert Sheldrake, Nick Begich, Linda Moulton Howe, Bill Still, Stefan Molyneaux, Joseph Atwill, Patrick Henningson, Marc Stevens, Frater X, Richard D Hall, Jon Rappoport, Tom Secker, Anthony Gucciardi, Frank O´Collins, Joseph P Farrell, Dane Wigington, Max Bliss, Brien Foerster, Jim Fetzer, Kevin Barrett, Christopher Bollyn, Govan Kilgour, Erin Elizabeth, and anyone else who would like to chime in...
SURVEY QUESTIONS
As of this moment in present time 9/17/2016 what do you think about the current international reappraisal of science -including notions the earth may be a fixed plane in a geocentric universe, as opposed to the Copernican spinning globe heliocentric model currently given as scientific fact? (in ten words or less)
How much time (if any) have you spent researching the subject? ______________________________________
Do you feel the effect of looking into this subject -
- may make you look stupid? yes/no/maybe
-may affect your social standing? yes/no/maybe
may affect your "sellability" or credibility? yes/no/maybe
may repulse managers/publishers/handlers/friends or family yes/ no/maybe
may end your career yes/no/maybe
may put your sanity in question? yes/no/maybe
may make you ridiculed? yes /no/maybe
may be a waste of time? yes/no/maybe
is a social engineering psyop? yes/no/maybe
is a distraction from greater priorities? yes/no/maybe
is of no consequence? yes/no/maybe
Thankyou for your time to read, ignore or participate.
Feel free to elaborate : )
Elissa Hawke
Of course this in not an exhaustive list of truth media/ alternative media/ activists, just some people whose work I have looked at and enjoyed at some time or another.
If you are friends with anyone on the list please copy/paste pass the survey to them if you see value in it.
I have started to post to some via email and facebook.
If you have thoughts or feelings feel free to post your own survey results in the comments, or email reply to [email protected]
If there are other activists not on the list whose work you enjoy, please pass/copy paste the survey to them also, the more the better.
Who Will answer?
Who will ignore?
Who will be pissed?
Who will have a chuckle?
We´ll soon find out!
It is not so much for now this survey is important, but over time as we learn more and the truth rises we can see who aligns more and more with it. We can all hone our discernment skills.
Plus, some of us will be able to say "I told ya so!" and some of us will have to eat crow.
As we all come to greater understanding.
I will hope some will answer in the comments, and some will send answers via FB and email and then I will post them below in the comments.
Anyone we dont get answers from - feel free to press them to keep searching for greater truth until we make sure they have at least received the survey, if they choose to not respond, over time, that may also be useful information..
Some of these people might prefer to ignore certain correspondence, so if it comes from others we have more chance of getting more perspective.
Thanks to everyone
Elissa
I did some research and my results are here
https://steemit.com/life/@damono/flat-earth-and-my-results
we have a nice measured and scientific attitude from Max Igan
Max Igan
I think you are becoming delusional elissa and to be spreading unfounded rumors that I am some sort of agent and to be using peoples names in order to drive traffic to your steemit account by writing tabloid-esque hit pieces on them without even having the decency to question anyone first is a pretty low act and does not serve anyone but yourself. You have me on skype and if you had any sort of decency you would discuss things before spreading such blatant disinformation... you are acting like an agent of the state - or perhaps just too lost in your own ego to see the damage you are doing but either way you are most certainly spreading disinformation...so whose side are you on these days? because it certainly doesnt seem like it has anything to do with truth... and that is the reason I will not be looking at your survey or clicking your link.
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A few of the above names seem to me to be controlled opposition. Russianvids youtube channel does a good job. Ultimately, believe in youself and let these so called 'truth tellers' go. If they get onto msm or have a popular alt channel listen to them with a grain of salt IMHO
It seems to me maybe the majority, its good for us to realise how much grass roots stuff is not grass roots, I have a lot to learn
This is a great post and I am happy to upvote. Now following and looking forward to reading more of your posts. Catch us also on Twitter Twitter✔. Cheers. Stephen
cheers
I really like many of these sources. You've done a good job, very clever, at getting them to think about this question and maybe even go on record..
Thanks @Damono,, I resisted the info for 6-12 months my self and i had no career to protect, no mortgage. I guess I am trying to determine who has really investigated for themselves, and to try and get those people that havent, that dont feel the need, to research, rather than think they dont need to research it because they can demonstrate this proof or that proof
Ok Punters we have 3 more responses from
Ian Rowland Crane LOL! I think you must be confusing confusing me with someone who gives a damn! 😆
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From one of my favourite living writer teachers Mary Elizabeth Croft
Hi Elissa,
Interesting idea --getting thoughts from the thinkers.
;-D
Here is the main reason I feel certain the earth is flat. It came about when, after a couple of weeks of investigation, I decided that, until I can rise above the earth and see it for myself, I'd simply never know and so, oh, well, who cares? So, I let it go.
The very next morning, I was awakened by my unconscious mind reminding me of what my brother had told me, over 45 years earlier, in 1969:
He and his friend were driving across the Prairies, at night, in January, i.e.: crisp, dry air means good visibility. The speed limit was 65 or 70 mph but, likely, he was driving way faster, due to his age and also the lack of traffic. They spotted, in the distance, light from headlamps of an approaching car, and they made a bet on how long it would take the car to pass them. In 1969, there was nothing else out on the prairies at that time of night. The cars passed 90 minutes later, so, if both cars were traveling at a minimum of 70 mph, that means their original distance apart was, at least, over 200 miles.
At 200 miles, that car, on a spherical earth, would have been 5 miles below the horizon, yet, they saw it, on and off (due to curves in the road) for 1.5 hours. They could not have seen it at all, at 200 miles, unless the earth is flat.
My answers to all your questions is 'no', except for two:
I think everything is under the dome. I don't think there are any astral bodies "out there", so huge that they make earth appear like the head of a pin. That is propaganda designed to cause us to feel insignificant which is precisely how I felt when I went to the Planetarium in 1968. Everything about NASA is a lie.
How are things with you, Elissa?
hugs,
mary
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and from Grace Power, the maker of the fabulous documentary "The Ring Of Power" and many others
"I have watched numerous videos on the flat earth theory but
can't get an answer about how I can travel west, keep going and end up back at the same place"
I am not sure why I am in that list as I am a nobody as well, I don't buy into Flat Earth nonesense with being an environmental scientist, having studied Earth science and scientific insight into biology and just seeing the coding and patterns that nature repeats on Earth and the Universe, as well as having seen how important and useful nautical mathematics is in getting sailors to calculate their circumnavigations across vast oceans to get to a port at a certain date and time calculating in the curvature of the Earth, the F.E theory falls flat on its face there alone, none of those that push it, can argue against the fact that ships and sailors disprove their theory daily by using nautical mathematics, its clear that the Flat Earth nonsense is no more than a psyop to fragment or discredit those that are also involved in campaigning against Geoengineering. On another level the Flat Earth Map could just be representative that Earth is a dimensional plain in a multidimensional universe and Flat Earthers have taken it too literally. I don't have more to say on this as most of those involved in pushing this agenda tend to be narcissistic psychopaths probably funded for a psyop agenda and Im quite tired of it as there are far more urgent issues at hand while the Earth and her ecosystems are in ecological collapse.
@carlitashaw I believe you should look at the information before making those assumptions. I myself made all the same assumptions, everyone does, but I made sure to do a weekends research before blasting the concept publicly as I know how many times I have been fooled before. If you know those pushing it are mostly narcissistic psychopaths you must have done some research. Dont give up. There are a thousand fascinating vids out there by nobodies testing against what we know and coming up stumped. Once you see it, and it took me months, and a year to publicly spout it, you are so grateful you persisted past a lot of rubbish disinfo misinfo cognitive dissonance and at least achieve the true freedom of letting go of a lot of scientific dogma, currently being proven false and being open to learn again
I am tired of people who believe in Flat Earth telling me I will have my mind set free once I embrace it or being open to learning again, I devote my life to learning, learning isnt something I stop doing nor do I assume others have stopped learning, why do Flat Earth people presume one's mind is not free just because someone else thinks the Earth is round? Can't people stop putting other people down in a passive aggressive way if others do not agree with Flat Earth theory? Please spare me that sort of talk.
I have spent a great deal of time on the Flat Earth and I am not interested in pursuing it further but thanks anyway, my work is about finding solutions to ecocide, what ever shape the Earth is , we are in a serious crisis and need to unify on that level. And as for letting go of scientific dogma, I am a Free Energy advocate and there are many other things I believe that make sense to me regarding human evolution as well as going against mainstream physics that go against ''scientific dogma', so i don't really fit in any of the boxes anyway.
a response from Elizabeth Seninde How do you become a flat earther? Trying to debunk the flat Earth. Lol. I think there is overwhelming evidence the Earth is flat. I am happy to discuss it, people have thought I was crazy since 911 so nothing new there. However I rarely debate the flat Earth, for the same reasons I wouldn't really debate the existence of monkeys. If I know it to be real, what does it matter if others don't believe so. When they find it to be true in the future, its not like their gonna come back and say they were wrong, so why bother? What I don't understand is why people get upset just because we ask the question. There is something seriously wrong with that.
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How much time (if any) have you spent researching the subject?
Whenever it comes to my attention or I feel compelled, I look at it. Over the past couple of years, maybe 100 hours.
Do you feel the effect of looking into this subject -
may make you look stupid? yes/no/maybe - maybe
may affect your social standing? yes/no/maybe - no
may affect your "sellability" or credibility? yes/no/maybe - no
may repulse managers/publishers/handlers/friends or family yes/ no/maybe - no
may end your career yes/no/maybe - no
may put your sanity in question? yes/no/maybe - no
may make you ridiculed? yes /no/maybe -no
may be a waste of time? yes/no/maybe - no
is a social engineering psyop? yes/no/maybe - maybe
is a distraction from greater priorities? yes/no/maybe - maybe
is of no consequence? yes/no/maybe - no
I’m not typically worried about what anyone thinks. I’m too stubborn to care, and not all that important anyway. I’m agnostic on the subject of flat earth.
I’m actually inclined to the idea that the earth is what we, as a collective, say it is - and that includes the shape of it. I think it's possible that our conditions here are exactly what we (slaves or free) say they are. We might be living in a world in which we - through our belief in viral memes - create our world, depending on the power of them... Or maybe I just drink too much coffee and think about strange things. I’m going to call it the Idiocracy Theory (But I could call it The Matrix Theory, or the 1984 Theory, or Brave New World Theory, or Terminator Theory, or South Park Theory, or the Kek Theory, or the Animal Farm Theory, or This Perfect Day Theory, or 2012 Theory or Time Wave Theory…)
So maybe we could be a little less nihilistic in our memery I’m thinking. A flat earth, contained in a dome bodes a little like we want the worst to be true - we're in a zoo... we want overlords on some level. Or overlords want us to want them. I dunno.
edit: something I have been paying attention to (with some wtf) is the 'no free will' meme.