Issue of Molten Steel Pouring Out of WTC

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@‍jim replied:

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@‍jim replied:

I wrote:

My question was ignored:

Where is the requisite trail of grey smoke tailing off of the falling debris all the way down?

Hot kerosene resembles cold gasoline. When I pour gasoline on my barbecue, I don’t get a trail of grey smoke. Brightly burning stuff does not release grey smoke.

If you have objects containing organic matter (other than pure carbon) burning in the kerosene, then it will produce a trail of grey smoke. Charcoal does not produce smoke because of the process of manufacturing it removes all the organic matter and leaves only the carbon. These are facts. You can verify these facts with some simple Internet research.

Thus what was pouring out of the WTC can only be molten steel. It can’t be molten aluminum either because that is silverish when it pours out, not yellow nor orange.

Seems that according to you, when I juice my barbecue with gasoline, leaves and newspaper, should trail grey smoke.

Does trail smoke when I juice it with dry leaves, not when I juice it with dry leaves and gasoline.

I pour dry leaves wet with gasoline into my barbecue, the whole stream turns to flame, much like the stuff pouring out to the world trade tower, no trail of smoke […] What is pouring out of the tower looks like what I see when I dump a stream of dry leaves wet with gasoline into my barbecue […] Hot jet fuel behaves much like cold gasoline, and that stuff pouring out of the trade center is behaving much like dry leaves wet with gasoline.

It’s true that if a fire is hot enough to attain complete combustion of the organic matter, then there will be very little or no smoke.

But the fact that you allege the matter falling out of the WTC is organic means by your own definition it is not complete combustion. Also there was much dark grey smoke coming from the fires where the molten steel poured out from, so we would expect to see the same grey smoke from material falling out.

Also remember this was just some minutes before collapse that we see the molten steel pouring out. So that means this was nearly an hour after the plane impacted. NIST said the jet fuel would have burned off in the first few minutes.

Sorry you have no possible way to refute that the material [pouring] out was molten steel.

[Readers should note that jet fuel and office fires don’t burn any where near hot enough to create molten steel. They can only soften steel leading to bent steel, if insulation is not present.]

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@‍jim wrote:

And Robert Mueller hates Mossad, and Mossad hates Robert Mueller.

Or Mueller [head of FBI during 9/11 and U.S. manipulation of the Russian 2000 election!] wants you to believe he hates those who he actually is aligned with.

Dupes can only see [just] beyond the tip of their nose.

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@‍jim wrote:

We care about the sides in Syria, because one side wants to ethnically cleanse the Christians

Our fore fathers didn’t approve of getting entangled in such foreign alliances/conflicts because inevitably these are not about they seem to be about— just as moral panics (i.e. holiness [war] spirals) are not usually about morality. It’s about about power struggles and employing deception to confuse the delusional Westerners into supporting their own self-immolation via derivative (dominoes) effects.

Trump is being totally duped on Syria. The CIA is covertly bringing about the chemical weapon attacks to justify funding the rebels which are attacking Assad. This is to create a proxy war in the Middle East with Russia and China so the superpowers are divided-and-conquered by the global elite Zionists-bankster-cabal. This cabal is the puppeteer of the DEEP STATE that is doing all this shit is the same one that perpetrated 9/11. It is the same cabal that manipulated Russia and the Russian year 2000 elections. It’s also Prescott Bush who financed Hitler so they can could get the persecution they needed to bring about the Zionist state so they can continue to fulfill their destiny as the Beast in Revelation. The Pope is also involved. They’ve been doing this manipulation since at the time of the Bolshevik revolution which they helped bring about as Antony Sutton has documented with his detailed research at the Hoover Institute in the 1970s.

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@‍Bill Muhr wrote:

Actually Dave, only 300-450 of the government’s people died on 9/11.

Those plebeians such as the firemen who worked for the government aren’t aligned with the scum-of-the-earth who perpetrated the 9/11 mass murder. Many of them have been dying due to cancer ostensibly due to being exposed to the dust which contained carcinogens such as asbestos [which was a known hazard at the clean-up site but they were not informed].

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@‍jim wrote:

All troofers use manipulative tactics to get the people they address to think past the sale, as for example, the “no plane wreckage argument”

There was no recognizable airplane wreckage on the lawn immediately after impact. Just a some fair amount of bits and pieces of the stuff from inside the Pentagon that was blown out by the bomb that was planted inside. The bits of planted plane wreckage magically appeared after they evacuated the area for 1 hour forcefully removing everyone from the area under the pretense that another plane was incoming (which turns out to be the C-130).

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@‍Bill Muhr wrote:

There is plenty of debris at both sites, and plenty big holes.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/do-not-fall-for-14351788

That is disinformation:

1. The debris was planted on the lawn. Go to my sources for more details. See my quote below for the point about for example the evacuation of the scene that took places right after the crash. See the evidence of the pre-planted downed light poles, etc..

2. The was never a single plane seat found. The small parts that were planted aren’t even amounting to one of the two a huge 4 ton engines on that commercial airplane.

3. After they cleared the debris, the ground floor concrete slab had not a single mark on it. I have seen a very clear photo of this which shows the panorama of the gutted Pentagon so I’m sure it’s authentic and because the photos were released by the government.

4. Not even the windows were busted where the 4 tons (each) of engines on the wings would have struck from from the hole produce by the nose.

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There was a plane. That is well documented by witnesses. And it is also well documented that it flew over the Pentagon at the last moment when the bomb was set off.

Note an important webpage (also) about the Pentagon bombing which I had originally linked from my 9/11 blog. It has since become a dead link. I linked herein to the archived copies:

The FBI knows that explosives are central to the real 9/11 plot

The FBI's code names for terrorist investigations known to have been carried out by means of bombs or explosives end in BOM[B] -- for example, the acronym for its Oklahoma City bombing investigation is OKBOM.¹ It is therefore highly significant that the official FBI code name for the investigation of the September 11 attacks is PENTTBOM, which stands for Pentagon Twin Towers Bombing. In this acronym, the abbreviation for Pentagon comes first, followed by that for the Twin Towers, with the notable absence of an abbreviation for Pennsylvannia. Robert Mueller, who was FBI director on 9/11, confirmed this to Time magazine: "The [FBI's] SIOC [Strategic Intelligence Operations Center] filled to capacity on 9/11 and remained that way through PENTTBOM, the FBI's cryptonym for 'Pentagon,' 'Twin Towers' and 'Bombing'], reconfirming Newsweek's report in the immediate wake of the attacks.² [click the link to read more…]

Pay special attention to “Fig. 2. Army survivor April Gallop” which is a photo of the lady who was working inside the Pentagon “50 feet from the impact zone” when it was hit and she walked out the hole in the front of the Pentagon onto the lawn. I linked to her video testimony from my blog and that should be an eye opener because she describes damage inconsistent with an airplane crash [and no jet fuel and she saw no plane parts on the lawn immediately after impact!].

Let me quote a relevant section from my blog:

She said there was absolutely no wreckage parts of an airplane. Photos just after the explosion don’t seem to show any wreckage:

Those who claim they saw passengers in airplane seats actually saw charred human remains perhaps next to charred office chairs, or they’re lying. No such photo of airplane seat or other extensive wreckage has ever been produced. The few small pieces photographed with AA logos could have been planted, such as during the chaotic evacuation of the area minutes after the initial explosion when the C-130 approached and the people were told a second hijacked airplane was incoming. The non-randomized sheared base of the downed light poles compared to similar light poles naturally downed by high winds indicates the 9/11 poles were staged with a blow torch.

You need to actually go to my blog for all the cited links, because I can’t insert so many links into a blog comment lest it be filtered by the spam filter.

P.S. Another gem from my “boring, mundane, overly profuse” 9/11 blog which everyone is too lazy to read and study in detail:

Corbett reported that in the Arab world “Ana raicha Al Qaeda” has the colloquial meaning “I’m going to the toilet.” It’s implausible that ‘the toilet’ could be the name of an Islamic movement. It’s fiction.

The Deep State (e.g. CIA) are openly mocking the dupes. I can imagine them smoking a cigar while reading these discussions wherein the dupes defend their enslavement.

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/conclusions/damage.html

The hole in the facade that involves both the first and second floor is only a fraction of 90 feet. The overall width of the hole in only the lower floor is 90 feet, but it’s difficult to explain how the plane could flown that low with crashing (due to the ground effect physics at such high speeds as reported by the government far in excess of the normal speed of landings and even closer to the ground than a landing). As depicted in the photo on that webpage, the blast-resistant windows and limestone where the wing tips should have impacted are not even marked. That webpage posits that perhaps the wings folded or disintegrated, but that it inconsistent with the 90 feet of blast damage and the farcical C-Ring hole in the inner section wall as depicted which would require it not to disintegrate as it plowed forward. Oh how convenient, it both disintegrated and didn’t disintegrate.

As to what happened to flight 77 and the government’s claimed DNA evidence:

http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/faq

Actually I did some digging about the DNA evidence collection for the Pentagon. And it’s the same story you find if you dig about the handling of the steel that was trucked out of New York and flown to China. You will find that those on the scene who objected to the lack of transparency were stymied.