Bully Whales Pt.4 - Post On Flagging Solutions? DENIED @smooth: I will be flagging this post if it still has significant rewards ($11)
The one-man flagging-dictator reward-police decides I'm not allowed to make rewards I get from people who upvote me on my Flag Solution post... Amazing!
Here is the comment where he doesn't even want to admit there is a problem that many people can see. It's just me, "whining", again... lol. A post I make for solutions to the problem is going to be flagged by the flag-dictator who is being a one-man-police to choose how all the rewards in the platform are allocated. Yet, I'm the problem? Amazing. His solution is for me to shut up and be silent on the abuse going on, since him and his lackeys say there is no abuse... Never underestimate the power of denial.
No one like me is allowed to post and get rewarded by others unless smooth agrees to the reward amount for what is posted, a one-man dictator policing the rewards on Steemit along with his foolish cohorts. How great is that?!... Unless he voted on your post, like for game-pick gambling-mentality reward allocation with a free-ticket lottery, because that adds real value to the platform over time... LMAO. Look at those awesome engaging comments. Such value all around!
$30 is overrewarded when he doesn't like the content, but $180 is fine when he likes it. LMAO!
Some of my posts get a similar amount of views, and actually have relevant engagement with comments... but nah, it's overrewarded while smoother-approved posts aren't. Ha!
NOTHING to see here folks, smooth is a savior!
Keep up the praises smooth-sucking idiots. Way to go!
Smooth doesn't care about OVERREWARDED WHALE SWARM ALERT when he's the one doing it... lmao. This is part of hypocrisy I called out accurately. He also flagged 2 of my 3 posts yesterday. I'm only allowd to talk about what he wants, and not get above a certain reward level, or else time to flag KrNel... LMAO.
No abuse here folks! Smooth is a savior according to so many who don't want to see what's going on. I showed the data about when this started for my post he didn't like and flagged because it was of "no value". The other post flagged on the same day was from jrcornel for plagiarism.
Post after post after post days before and after went on to get more rewards than my post on the Trinity of Consciousness, and yet that was the only one flagged for days by this one-man reward-police. G read the post and judge for yourself if it has value. If your sucking up to smooth or have no comprehension of what the information is about like him, then go ahead and believe its overrewarded and has no value meanwhile other posts go past the reward it initially had, and the subsequent other posts of mine he targeted to flag that were about morality. Just more useless overrewarded content on Steemit according to the one-man reward-police.
Meanwhile, a troll who piled on BS on the OP that started this all, yet never actually read it, says that a voted-for and approved council, like witnesses, but for reviewing REPORTED flags for abuse, is a "government" now, and that's bad. Wonderful how people can't even understand the words they use. Witnesses are a "government" now everyone, so we are living in a "government" on Steemit, yet having another "government" for flag-review when REPORTED, is bad... LOL. Face-palm!
It's hard not creating straw man fantasies in order to understand how a community can govern itself with a council for review and not be an "bad government"... It's easier to just spread more bullshit through ignorance and confusion.
Flag away bullies who want to try to silence this issue. It's not going away. I put myself out as a target and I will keep making noise so long as you want to abuse your flag power and keep me, others, or our information suppressed from reaching more people. Keep being bullies and dictating who can get how many rewards on the platform. You are such fools blinded by your behavior you can't see what you're doing.
You can't have rewarded posts that talk about solutions to a problem when a bully whale doesn't like the post. His solution is for me to be silent, or else he will keep flagging me! Yet, he continues to have support for this abusive bullying? Wow...
How can you blind fools who deny there is an issue continue to do so? Keep sucking up to smooth, maybe it will get you somewhere...
Open your eyes Steemit. There is whale abuse and bullying going on here. Or keep saying I'm the problem and make 3 posts about me being the problem and smooth being great... lol. Keep supporting a guy who wants to silence dissent against his abusive bullying behavior.
I've been reading s mooth comments and am seeing a distinct lack of empathy. Do we know for certain that it is a live person, one with empathy, anyway? I can't tell. Trying to run a Turing test, or empathy test would only provoke it.
Given the platform structure, avoidance is a possibility. Have you thought about an alternate account? I haven't had to yet, but that's at least because I'm not any kind of an attention getting writer, and I get bored quickly, fighting with irrationality and machines.
LOL!
UGH
Without inserting my opinion on this debacle, I'll just say that this platform needs community polling. That's the one thing that appears to be missing. Flags may be the perfect opportunity to introduce them. This way, applying an all-encompassing flag which, perhaps, could knock a post completely down to $0 would be a community decision, rather than a decision made by a select few.
Quarterly community polling, with say 10 questions about what the community feels most needs to be addressed, might be a good idea to help developers, etc. Right now people have to "make noise" about what they feel is the most important issues, and I hate "noise"... I hope you make a post on the idea in the meantime. Sounds interesting to me.
While it may be a good idea, the polls would probably be answered by more bots than actual users, so how are we to tell that the results are really the wishes of the community and not a few influential sock-puppet owning individuals?
See, and that's where my previous suggestion of requiring a certain reputation level to participate came from, but I've since been informed by @picokernel that the rep points are more of a user aesthetic than a real metric that can be used, because it's not something used on the blockchain itself. It's just a nice little ego stroker of a figure. It's not "consensus".
Read and support your work. Tired of the oligarchy on the platform tying to decide who should make how much. Upvote it if you like it otherwise move on. Flags should be for abuse.
I agree. Many ppl see this as the way things were and what worked better compared to now.
The flag has always had the box for reasons to flag, meaning it had to be rationally justified and used properly. The upvotes don't have a reason box to use properly or not, they are upvotes. The flags are the issue.
$3-$4 for posting about flagging drama is alot. I get nuch less for original posts with content I created.
and how many followers have you made? Do you have an audience? Have you captured peoples attention? Or have you failed again and again?
Steemit is not a welfare system, if you work half as hard and smart as @krnel maybe you would understand what it takes to make it to the top.
I see my blog as a success.... here is one example of a post of mine that made rewards : https://steemit.com/peacefulparenting/@lasseehlers/raising-children-peacefully-is-the-solution-to-a-peacefull-society-how-we-get-to-that-new-peaceful-society
Sure others made more.. but I made some and have 177 followers... there are all kinds of levels of success.
I don't know @krnel and his work, other then some posts I read fast... so hard for me to compare to him.
Anyway I don't think we see the world the same way.... I was not complaining about what my post rewards and yes it all relate to attention.
Exactly. And @krnel has been the best in class so far, creating insanely good posts that really engage and captures peoples attention, people read his articles, comments on them and they have long-term-view-value.
If anything - @krnel should be lifted up as an example on how to do it, for all the rest of you who are not were @krnel is.
Those that can, can - those that can´t must applaud.
We are THOUSANDS of people on Steemit who are fed up with this bullshit whale-police and we will do what it takes to win - and we will win.
Enough is Enough.
I don't know enough to have a solid oppinion on the topic.
I will just say, the market knows it all.
Steem on!
Why are people upvoting it to that amount if they don't support getting this BS exposed and dealt with? Autobots go up to about 1-3$... They are surely aware of my posts by now after 3 days... they could remove their autovotes... Why don't whales upvote your content? Why do you need to blame me for your lack of rewards?
Do you think that @smooth is going to stop if you don't stop? You have to spend a lot of time doing this post, and he only has to push a button! I thought that you are much smarter!
Why you can't just leave it and move on. You have made a great job until now, why you throw away all your work?
I know here is no justice, you don't agree, but how many things are in this world that you don't agree! I can say that are a lot of things you don't like and you can't stop them even if you want.
Peace after a war is the best feeling for everyone!
The war must still happen for the peace to come after it. I don't think we can skip the war and still feel like the peace came after a war. Thus it is nonsensical to think that smooth would stop doing whatever he's doing just because criticism for his doing stops. I would believe the opposite happened, and he'd be encouraged to keep on doing what he's doing because the silent acceptance.
From what I read about him and checking hist past timeline I concur, that for a guy who got hundreds of dollars simply from a quoted article on another site, he seems to be awfully determined to make sure no-one else is going to make that kind of quick buck on Steem.
I am personally not against popularity contests in the same way he is: Popularity is what pays the bills, a refrase I refer to Cory Doctorow, Clay Shirky and their interpretation of the long tail where 1000 true fans are what one needs to get a steady income.
What smooth is doing now seems to be from spite of jealousness.
Popularity, after all is what everyone on Steem should strive for. Those who make quality stuff will eventually gather more popularity in the end, because they have put more effort in their posts. But it is a long road, one can't expect to become the Steem version of PewDiePie in one night, nor can they fight the popularity contest by crying about it.
Don't get me wrong, we are all jealous, and we should be. But that doesn't mean we should undermine other people's efforts. Instead we should be making our own efforts into even better. We should be a part of the contest. The problem I see happening is we (smooth included) keep inventing ways to sabotage the contest, and cripple our fellow competitors instead of making an honest effort of our own.
In the end, I think Smooth has done us a big service by highlighting a persistent bug on Steem. He is using the flaw to cast judgment on posts and authors he deems don't deserve to be paid. Maybe it's a good thing after all, because it will eventually call for a better voting system that can't be used for content policing out of jealousy or anger.
If steemit only attracts you for its lack of censorship rules (LOL) then seriously consider moving to minds or something. Unless you're making good money here and want to continue.
https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/683778713044656131
Flagged as trolling (name calling and personal attack)
Also downvoted as complaints about not earning enough money from rewards (much less from the top earner) do not add value. And when repeated with a high volume of posts saying essentially the same thing also become a form of abuse (spam, bombing, etc.)
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You are operating under a flawed conceptual model of the system. Neither you nor anyone else gets rewards you make from those who upvote. You get rewards from the consensus result of the voting calculated by the blockchain logic once all the voting is complete. Until that time, the amount shown is only an estimate of what you would make if the voting were to end at that instant, which is usually not the case.
I seem to recall making that that exact argument to you and ngc/steemed/kushed before the July payout, but back then you wouldn't hear of it, but of course back then it was your rewards that were being threatened. I suppose I should be glad you've changed your mind, even if there is a slight smell of hypocrisy in the air.
I'm not sure which rewards of mine you are talking about. I've never earned much from the site (you can count my posts on one hand and comments never earn much). I did earn some curation rewards (especially pre-July when I was likely the most active curator) but there was never an issue with downvoting on those particularly. So I'm honestly not sure what you mean.
It is true my views have evolved as we've seen the platform develop. In a private chat I recently noted that I used to contribute to problematic whale upvoting and reward concentration (of other people's content, not my own) but I haven't been doing that for months, and usually don't vote much at all any more (and when I do it is even more rare that it is a high power vote), with the exception of funding posts for open source projects and contests and some posts on understanding or improving the system itself (all of which benefit the platform/ecosystem directly or benefit many more users than just the one poster).
So whatever it is that you think we disagreed about it the past may well have been an instance where you were right and I was wrong. I have no problem saying so.
beep boop
"... once all the voting is complete"
You are just an algorithm searching for equality and balance, we get it. BEEP BOOP
The word is consensus
I think we pretty much have consensus now but if I say it it's probably mean.
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Getting paid for posting on a web site is not mean, even if you are paid less than you otherwise might like. @krnel is one of the highest earners on the site. He continues to earn on every post, even a little bit on most of the drama/complaint/trolling posts. Sorry, but I can't agree there is anything mean going on. Maybe entitled? Desperate? Was promised consistent earnings from whale sponsors and that plan is being frustrated ? I really don't know what the problem is that is leading to these attack posts, but ultimately no, it isn't mean to earn a little less than otherwise for posting on a web site.
Steemit.com has every opportunity to adjust the UI to remove dollar amounts especially pre-payout or make any number of other changes such as: a downvote button in addition to or instead of the flag icon, a way to include a reason when placing a downvote, changing the voting from upvote/downvote to a star system, etc. in order to reduce negative feelings which have been widely felt (not only in this sort of situation, but also others) and has thus far declined to do so, which is your call of course. Maybe that could be considered mean?
Meanwhile, I continue to get positive feedback on my manner of engagement, such as this one
Furthermore there is another way to reduce hurt feelings and disappointment that comes when pending payouts are reduced and that is for whales (along with bot and trail owners) to not to vote in a manner that creates such high concentrated payments in the first place. Everyone who votes bears responsibility in the overall process, not just the one person who took the time to explain why.
We can flag flagger but we can't remove a flag, however if post could be sorted by trending by votes number, censure would be more difficult.
We can't flag a flagger right now lol, all they need to do is flag. Are you suggesting that as an option? And sorting by trending vote number can be misused with bots to upvote.
Right, so maybe reducing flagging impact for high "power" user can be efficient.
Also right, so maybe a trending by ((value) + (votes number * average votes weight)) that is simply a 50%/50% mix between weight and votes can be efficient too
Different ideas have been proposed on the trending, like yours, but... the community has trouble agreeing on things... so it doesn't change.
Your post have generally i great audience, the majority (not all), have some pain to decide what they want. I think creating a new sorting method like described above can be great, maybe the best to do is to try purposing something, engage some users in then test and review.
Finding solution is only hypothesis, only testing can be used to see results.
Let it go and focus on the solution 🙂
I will call all the BS abuse bullying out until it stops.
and the users who call your BS you will just ignore, eh?
What BS of mine? I'm demonstrating the BS. You mean me not responding to comments? Or what? I didn't know ignoring comments was such bad behavior that it needs to be called out in 3 posts and target me as the bad guy in all this? Funny...
Ignoring comments wasn't the only reason, instead of laying it all out here I'd suggest reading @schattenjaeger's post. I share a lot of his views on this matter after reading it and feel you should be more grateful for the rewards you do get.
Would appreciate your view and comment on his post.
Do you even understand the original issue? Or are you just going off of what other people are falsely projecting as the issue in order to create a straw man of the actual issue and conflate the problem? Because those peopel don;t seem to get it, and all they want to do is make me the bad guy.
Why did I call it out? Because it's false irrational justifications and inconsistent behavior. It's abuse of power. And it kept on going. And nothing was going to change. Anyone who wants to see me as the problem in this, keep seeing it that way. Have fun!
No, he will also flag their comments and then imply they are idiots and sucking up to whales.
Not sure if that happened, but flagging comments cause you disagree with them... you can't stoop lower than that.
It's offensive. Come on.
Offending someone is the absolute worst thing one can do.
Yeah, it's offensive. Is it wrong? Please show me how it's wrong that they suck up to this abusive behavior personality and that makes them idiots for not seeing what the hell is going on... They judge, offend and insult themselves by their own behavior. I just called it out for what it is, and yeah it's offensive to be shown what your doing.