What Are The Advantages of Anarchy (Serious Answers Only Please)?

in #anarchy7 years ago (edited)

True freedom


The headline say is all. Pure unbridled freedom from the control of the status quo. Most of the arguments that lean towards the status quo put out the crap that anarchy can't deliver on its promises, and with it only comes theft,rape and no taxation etc.

That may well be true, but these abuses are already present within our government systems, and not even the state can stop them. Just look at the war of the drugs and the war on terror. War begets more war. Governments throughout history could be said to cause 100% of all murders. How can you argue against that?



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The government history is not good

Even the worst anarchists in history can't come close to what states have done. Charles Manson is no match for Pol Pot. Most of the status quo demand some kind of modern utopia, as both the left and right of politics have failed due to the centralization of government. Only dencentralization can truly give the people what they want. Could EOS or Steemit be used to run a fully transparent society that gives us utopia? Who knows. Decentralization would be some kind of start.

The state is an institution and you are its tool - if you so choose to be. Many suck at the government teat for life, so some form of support will always be required for those kind of people. They will always require to be guided even in a decentralized system.

The abolition of the state would indeed cut down on the empire building skills of our politicians, and less men in tents would be carpet bombed on a daily basis. Just last week 200 innocents were killed in a coalition bombing attack in Mosul, Iraq to remove stubborn IS militants:

http://morallowground.com/2017/05/31/report-200-civilians-die-as-coalition-air-strikes-pound-mosul/



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To conclude, perhaps we are asking the wrong kind of question in this modern age of centralized government. Perhaps we should be asking "What are the advantages to there being states to run people's lives?" I for one, would love to know the answer to that question!

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I believe people should control the government more than they do now, but still have rules to follow. Governments are making too many laws and are limiting the freedom of the people over ridiculous things. We need the people to make the laws and the government to enforce them because the people are letting the governments take their freedoms away. Most people are either depending on the government or are scared to fight back against the corruption of the government. Listen the government should be our servant not the other way around.

Welcome to the nanny state and the age of political correctness @jpperc!

Cool post mindhunter, I like how you open up the debate and invite space for thought. I personally however don't so much see the problem as the "type" of structure or 'non-structure' we live in as a society/species but more what that structure is based on. The real question from my perspective would be "what are the principles we live by?", and this is a question not just pertaining to our global systems of government but more importantly to the individual. Are we as individuals on a personal level living as examples of the kind of love, compassion, support, understanding and care we'd like to see in the world around us? In more ways than we know, the world around us is a reflection of our inner "truth", which in humanity's case is a truth of competitiveness, greed, possessiveness, fear and anger existing on those deep unconscious levels of ourselves. A solution to how our reality exists today is thus not so much about creating change on an external level but more so creating it on an internal level first, to as an individual on all levels of ourselves (our cells) live and stand as a living example of the change we want to see in the world.

@kimamourette - internal change is good like you say, but not the silver bullet as 100% of everyone can't be the Dalai Lama. Some kind of yin/yang balance must exist where murder still exists to allow contrast in life. Only then do we know the true value of turning inwards. We must embrace both our light and dark natures. There must always be balance in everything :)

The idea of balance can be used as a way to keep this world as it is and keep ourselves from changing those things that we have the ability to change, specifically if "balance" is defined by polarity (such as the idea that for "love" or "peace" to exist, "hate" and "war" must also exist). I am definitely not implying anyone should try to become like the Dalai Lama. If anything from my perspective, the Dalai Lama, similar to figures like Buddha or Jesus, exist to create the perception that real purity is in fact unattainable for us "normal people" and that we should not even try to change. I don't define "internal change" as in achieving some great idea of enlightenment, but more to change that which we know we have the ability to change in ways which we know is best.

“Hating” the dark natured humans, or hating the light natured humans, is the root cause of negativity – it’s the “hate” that’s negative. The natures by themselves are pure, and required for a balance in physical experience :)

I am looking more at things on the level of the individual, not so much as an observer of the "whole". On the level of the individual, that "dark nature" isn't necessarily "who" that person is, but is more who and how they've become due to certain experiences they've went through in their life. To consider them part of a balance that needs to be maintained would from my perspective be to accept that they will be our "martyrs", allowing the rest of us to be on the good/positive end of the polarity, while what they really need is support to overcome their "preprogrammed" dark nature.

Agreed @kimamourette! This was an interesting little rabbit hole wasn't it :)

Lol yes, thank you for being open to discussion!

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Interesting question. I think it's because of this:

People are not in the drivers seat of their own life most of the time. It can be disconcerting, being responsible for everything that you do. But if you are just a passenger, along for the ride, how easy is it then?

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You know... I think the Dalai Lama is wrong here.

Sure, some people work themselves to the bone to get rich and then spend that wealth recuperating. Some people. But most people work hard to gain much needed economic security for themselves and their families. People work themselves to death to acquire wealth because we live in an unsafe, insecure world where the bottom can fall out from us at any time. And money helps prevent that.

I like the Dalai Lama, but he is basically a rich guy who goes places and has people adore him. He has no idea what the lives of real people are like.

I think the externalisation of our problems have led us to this moment in time. We need to stop giving our power away and re-learn to take responsibilty for ourselves and others around us. I am proud to have played a large part in the illegal rave scene in England during the early 90's. I feel at this moment in time (certainly in my country) this moment in history was perhaps the last great youth movement/rebellion. The biggest rave was attended by over 120,000 people over four days, the police were too scared to come in and we policed ourselves. No violence, smiles all round and at the end thousands stayed behind to clear the site and a day later you'd never know we were there. Having personal experience I know for a fact it can work.

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It's not just a good idea...it's the law.
EVERYTHING humans do derives from that.
Ignore it at your peril.

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exactly...
or
chaotic system (in the mathematical meaning of the word chaos) with millions of variables.
OR
as I learned In munitons
if you don't understand it...don't fuck with it
NO ONE can understand a chaotic system
so KISS
Keep it SMALL silly.
and hence we have Dunbar's number.

I wonder if Dunbar was a Scot??

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Of course you get full freedom only when no one is telling what to do and what not to. But Anarchists in general still follow the rules that are made by the government. Their group is too small to make a change, I guess ?!

But like The Matrix, Zion is always there ... true freedom on the fringes :)

Oh man.. Zion :-)

Zion + Steemit = Zeemit?? :)

Freedom is like a Piano
don't play on the black keys,
don't play on the white keys...
if you do the big boy will squish you like a bug.
play in the cracks between them
they can't get to you that way.

I do like that analogy very much Everitt :) Into the piano cracks we go my friend ....

If they didn't they'd be imprisoned or killed. Ideology doesn't trump reality. So I view most pushes for anarchy more as a long term(perhaps multiple generations to reach) goal. I don't believe humans as a whole are ready for the responsibilities and self reliance that anarchy would require. Not yet. Though perhaps some day.

So anarchists live in a world today where they don't have the option to ignore the rules and still survive.

Yes that's what I also think.
Every group, country or civilisation had a or more leaders. That's in our nature because someone needs to tell us what to do if there is nothing to work on. And if someone overtakes the part as a leader, he has to set up some kind of rules and then there would be no Anarchy again, what you think?!

And if someone overtakes the part as a leader, he has to set up some kind of rules and then there would be no Anarchy again, what you

The problem is no one is an expert of everything. I do not believe we need rulers. We need to be able to voluntarily decide when and when not to follow a "leader". If I am designing a house then for awhile I may choose to defer to the special knowledge of architects, carpenters, engineers, electricians, plumbers, etc. If I am designing a web site I may defer to skilled web developers, network engineers, etc.

There never should be one ultimate ruler who can dictate rules to other people. There are no omnipotent people that are experts in everything. If someone thinks they fit that description then they'd likely be a pretty shitty leader and certainly would be a bad idea for a ruler.

I don't believe rulers are ultimately needed. Yet society and people have a lot of thinking and changing before that'd be viable. They need to be willing to admit their mistakes, learn, try new things, and take responsibility for the actions/results of their own choices.

freedom?!?!

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