RE: DLive is joining the Lino blockchain, moving away from Steem
Of course this is all speculation, but I so happen to see a pattern here that is hard for me to ignore, very hard.
When @dlive first started they built a functioning platform without making any noise. If I remember correctly, all of the sudden, out of the blue a new platform was announced, the post went to trending and everyone lost their mind.
Without a doubt the idea of live streaming is appealing to the masses, and the success of twitch is enough to say that's not an opinion anymore. However, one would think that embarking on a project of this magnitude with the attitude of a gamble, would be done only by those who favor casinos.
I also know that @dlive is pretty much centralized, meaning that their video storage is on their servers, and that the blockchain of STEEM itself only served as a way to "point" if you will, to their links. Further prove can be observed simply by the fact that when the blockchain was halted, dlive continued to work without a glitch.
No blockchain, but yes dlive?
So I can conclude simply by using basic logic that this was designed like this intentionally. A dapp that relied on the blockchain but in the most minimal way possible, implementing more and more layers on top that were completely independent from the core blockchain.
Today we discover that @wa7 is also part of the Lino team. Meaning that this new "amazing" blockchain is at least partially his project. To me, this spells red flags in ways that I don't need to describe, not really.
My speculation
This was the plan all along. "milk" the STEEM ecosystem for funds, for months and months to circumvent regulations regarding ICOS and the pain of even running one too.
Taking a gamble on the fact that STEEMIT INC delegates to DAPPS, somebody astute yet quite machiavellic decided to "finance" and I'm using that word generously, their blockchain project on the backs of STEEM investors.
It's not overreaching to say that is quite shady, and as a member of this community, as an investor (yes, i've bought tokens), I'm very upset.
I was beginning to think the new logo contest, and even the selection of this new logo was kind of pointless. But now, seeing this even come forth, it all makes perfect sense. The idea is to detach the brand from steem thus it required a new logo. Coincidentally the new logo has a color scheme that goes well with the branding of this new blockchain. I find that to be fascinating.
Of course, at this point there is little to nothing I can do. But I did not want the @dlive team to walk away thinking they played everyone like a violin. To me, the sequence of events, the escape goating of this post onto whales, when you guys were a free whale yourself, says everything I need to know.
I hope however, that more and more steemians see through this facade and don't find you guys as the "innocent developers that the whales drove away" - Because if that is your statement, then I will have no choice but to label you as dishonest.
Farewell...
For everybody who feels like they lost their home in steem now. Check out @vimm, a great community of streamers and viewers with the intention to build a community and not so much a company.
March 2018 ! WTF! We feel betrayed! D-live deserves nothing but the middle finger
"Experimental simulation." Yeeeeeeah buddy, sure thing.
They outsmarted the wales on this corrupt platform. Hats off!
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Great points @meno! I cant believe they capitalized and profited from the system that they are dissing. Using the excuse "of this system corrupted us so we have to go" is hillarious. It was hard to complain about how blatant their curation hunting was as I never had my rewards taken. Rewarding people with the @dlive upvote because @dlive could get curation was extremely obvious.
Hf 20 actually starts to resolve the very issues they brought up here. Now they leave when curation rewards change and on the very day HF 20 happens, it looks really really bad on @dlive. Why not go deeper into why your company could not effectively support the content on your own site by supporting good content better. Why was curation hunting a bad thing well in ways its not and provides a form of sustainability but was your delegation going to be removed? So then you wanted to leave Steem, offer tokens like a referal scam to lure others away and provide no real solutions for @dlive's actions, that lead to the lack support of good content and no way to better give attention to such content via the @dlive website. It just seems most of @dlive's problems was created by @dlive themselves and there is no sign or talk of solutions to the problems that @dlive had other than microtransactions and taking people off steem to a unproven blockchain? I cannot go to dlive and find content other than live stream gaming and then when I followed the dlive upvote to see what you guys are voting it was not anything that excited me. what's wrong with the Tipping system you already have in place.
I guess what I'm saying to @dlive is to fix your website, fix the way you actually support content on your actual website, and fix the way you manage your company and then start looking at @steemit and try not acting like a victim who was succumbed to Greed because Steemit expossed your true intentions through your own actions.
Did Dlive take any of my Steem SP, SBD, Steem, or can they, any of my money, or your money? I posted a few videos on Dlive. I had to sign in through Steem Connect and it said something about giving Dlive permission over getting rewards, the money, and some other things, like posting permissions, and I am concern about that. I preferred Dlive over Dtube but am now wondering if I should stick with Bitchute or Real Video or Gab or Minds or something.
The last four are great choices!
Awesome. Agreed. Upvoted.
No they didn't take anything. There is other Steemit based live streaming platforms like @Vimm https://www.vimm.tv/
Did Dtube delete my videos? Thanks for commenting to me. Upvoted.
I agree. DLive was fundamentally no different then posting YouTube links in a Steem post. However, the different is that YouTube doesn't claim to be a decentralized service.
See also @heimindanger's recent post How do you like DLive now? which echoes much of your sentiment.
While you raise some valid points, @meno, I have to say--Dlive raises some valid points as well. Steemit.com has really begun to drop the ball. A 10 + hour outage without so much as a sentence of notification typed on the landing page (not the first time, either), constant circle jerk upvoting reducing any hope of rewards for quality to not even a glimmer of a ray of hope, combined with promises for two years now that are always "only a few months away"!
If DLived played them, that is not very honorable. However, one thing I will say is that Dlive actually seems to care about their user base, provided a viable product, and worked very hard to build a community. The chance taken on them by Steemit was done with the centralized aspect of their platform in full view. It's business, in other words.
I agree some actions are questionable. However, as per the statement here, there is no doubt that Steemit was becoming detrimental to their model. That's on the witnesses and investors who have dumped money in only to recycle it, and been too busy to curate quality content.
Agreed, my experience with steemit after a few months is basically: huge potential, questionable execution, and subject to the whims of whales.
This is interesting to hear. Thanks.
Sure, I'm still going to stick around because I want a medium where I can express myself and I've met some very cool people on here, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it to friends as I think they'd feel like they're throwing rocks at the ocean trying to get noticed. I feel as though the next decentralized social platform is around the corner where hindsight is 20/20 and they can avoid these types of issues or decisions. All systems are exploitable and corruptible and we are simply seeing another instance of how the few will figure out how to benefit off the many, whether or not it's too late to change is another discussion.
I liked it when you said CIRCLE JERK...truth.
You'd think they would have complained about the problems with Steem at some point prior to this announcement. Such a well-known and used dApp with so much delegated Steem power should have some influence to change things around here, but they made no attempt whatsoever, which leads me to think you're probably right. They were just here to milk the system until they were ready to launch their own competing blockchain.
I love how they used the Steem community to design their new logo, too. The contest was announced just 28 days ago. No need to hire an artist for the rebranding, just milk the Steem community some more before the switchover.
I hope this inspires the Steemit development team to push out SMTs earlier than was announced.
Could Steemians unite to launch a competitor to Dlive? I can't watch some of my older Dtube videos, but I can watch my older Dlive videos, meaning I prefer Dlive over Dtube. Could we resurrect Vid.Me and have them on Steem or could we launch Oat.Meal ?
vimm.tv is already there
Awesome. Thanks. Upvoted.
I wish I had more experience coding. I'd do it myself. It's a big opportunity for somebody. I'm sure Dtube will eventually improve their video hosting, and we'll see how good Vimm is soon.
Awesome and I hope so too and thanks. Upvoted.
Their new logo contest was also pretty weird because you was not upvoting the logos on STEEM, but you had to create a disqus account and upvote them on their dlive blog. I think it was there only as an advertisement and to convince people to register somewhere else.
Sincerely,
@Mysteor
Yep, it all seems pretty shady.
May I ask what's wrong with it? Isn't that business, every whale out that saying they can upvote themselves 10 times a day because it's an investment, it's business. Why are you judging a project doing its business.
Your speculations looks reasonable to me but I don't see anything wrong with it, they didn't steal anything, they didn't hurt anyone, they started here, find a better path to move on and taking their chances.
Why so much hate if it doesn't that important.
I just want to mention, I have no relation with dlive team. I'm not even a user. I just stated my opinion below and those hate splashed to me. Possibly this one also get some flags but :shrug:.
Btw just right here a community account using delegated power to flag and reward comments to get some exposure, and none of the whales, orcas have a problem with it. Is it normal or is it business as well.
@oups, the problem is they were using funds given to them for free through delegation of Steemit, Inc. to the tune of a couple of MILLION SP.
If they had been using their own funds, it would look a lot less like stealing and people would not be upset. They also intentionally made it seem like they planned to help advance the development of this blockchain while secretly building it off another. There was a lot of deception involved.
Your comment got flagged not because of personal vendettas, but because it is simply not that accurate. One of the main reasons to flag content is "Disagreement on rewards."
I kinda get it. I was actually trying to find a middle point, attacking them wouldn't solve a single thing. And it might be used as a bad publicity in near future, and as a tiny bit of stakeholder I am, I can see markets going to change steem prices soon, I just worried about this anger might affect it.
Thank you for being here and explaining the reasons. I don't mind to lose these comments' rewards. I was just trying to debate here, but it obviously not possible without getting flagged and basically being censored for no good reason. There billions of spammers out there waiting for a single flag but here I'm getting 10s of it just stating my point and being in a conversation. I'm okay with getting nothing with these comments but at least put a single line of sentence why you disagree.
And I put this comment as a reply to meno's just because he looks like the least heated guy in the room.
"attacking them wouldn't solve a single thing. And it might be used as a bad publicity in near future" it's not "attacking" it's voicing their opinions. This is real freedom. Freedom becomes heated. Yes when people see real views it will have a future effect. Would someone do this again? Probably not. Because of the strong negative effect response here. This is the first time in history that people can really voice their opinions in an interesting way. This is real unfiltered empowerment. Or well people used to do this in the past all the time. Fights on the streets or arguments about stuff used to be very common back in the days. Now it happens in a digital way. And it's never censor. People can always click to view your message if they want to. It's not removed.
I really want to get out of this discussion, it started give me an headache, but if I may. I want to ask you one last question.
What will discourage someone else to do the same thing?
What dlive lose in here, they are already gone.
and I'm still getting flag notifications from you, what are you trying to do. Forcing me to continue this conversation and keep flagging. Would you be happy if I start to power down and sell it. What's you aim. Or you want a retaliation like in the streets bruh, do you want me to lease some vests and flag every each of your self-votes, before I go?
@phoneinf only flagged your insulting comment to @scipio, which was unnecessary. Don't be one of the crybabies about flags. Downvotes help to keep this place (somewhat) less toxic than facebook.
People complain it creates "brown-nosers" and that there is too much ass-kissing here, but I disagree. I think it forces immature people to behave more civilly, for the most part.
Get out then.
Yeah, @Stefan.Molyneux loves debate, arguments, in real life, and that is why we love going live.
Yeah, I get where you're coming from. Just be careful on getting too defensive about flags, that can bring more attacks on you. Actually, I think you'll find that you will get some upvotes on these comments once people understand what your real intention was.
There is a common misconception that a downvote/flag is an "attack:" It is not. It's just the opposite of an upvote. Do we ask "Why am I getting attacked by all these upvotes?!?"
However, I do agree that it's common courtesy to leave a comment stating the reason for a flag, though many people don't. If you feel like it, you can always update your original comment as you learn more about the situation. Some of the flags might get removed depending on how much your understanding grows.
Did Dlive violate a contract that they had with Steemit, Inc. that included conditional, bilateral, covenant, involving the delegation from Steem to Dlive, which specifically stated in the terms of the contract that Dlive had to promise to never ever leave for any reason to launch their own platform or anything like that? I have prefer Dlive over Dtube, at least. Beyond that, we also have Bitchute and Real Video.
Well, we don't know, because Steemit, Inc. does not release information about their delegations, which I feel ought to be more transparent. @DLive launching their own platform is of course their right, as it is ours to demand an explanation of the behavior. My intuition and what I've gleaned so far tells me they were not being completely honest in this post.
Never heard of @bitchute or Real Video, I'll have to check those out! As far as @dtube, along with many others, I wish they would take a smaller cut than 25% of author rewards. I know they need to reward their teams, but that is a massive amount.
I have not been able to play my older Dtube videos. That is videos that are older than a few months which didn't make any money on Dtube. They don't load, they don't play. But my older Dlive videos did play even if they didn't make money. If earning a certain amount of money is required for Dtube videos to remain up, then I just would want to know about it ahead of time, lol, but really. I like http://Bitchute.com and the others too. Thanks. Upvoted.
This whole thing is just disgusting. Very dissapointing, @dlive.
NOTA BENE:
^^^ Sorry @oups , no personal pun / harm intended, hope you understand.
@oups: "just business" is a nonsense argument. @meno has clearly and carefully worded, that - apparently - @dlive was simply piggy-backing on STEEM from day 1, only to try and take away its user-base now.
And on top of that, on their lino-website, they are now referring to dlive.io, implicitly stating "look, you can make money via dlive on lino!"
That is as bad as it gets, business-wise....
Thanks, I might miss a few points in meno's comment. I even check dictionary a few times as you may know english is not my mother language.
I get it, really it's a bad move business-wise. It might be planned since day one, however it still is a business. Instead of accusing them, I know there is at least 10 great developers in this comment section that can build a streaming platform in one to four weeks. If dlive were relied on steemit inc's delegation so it wouldn't be a problem. A streaming system on steem blockchain would be here within a month with the same power of delegation with same votes. Everything would continue where it left and it basically means a totally new start for dlive in their new blockchain. Just say goodbye and wish them a good luck and work on making steem better. That's all I'm saying. Act professional, build a better one on steem blockchain and make them sorry in the end. Even this thing goes viral on some blockchain blogs or somewhere else it should cause a bad publicity instead we (whole steem community from developers to the stakeholders) should use this as an opportunity.
But oddly enough it sounds awkward to everyone.
I do agree with some of your points here more than your original comment which was flagged. But I still think @meno's comment is important for documentation purposes. It's not to make them feel bad or be unprofessional, because to use @steemit's delegated power to do something shady behind the scenes needs to be brought to light. Of course I agree with the sentiment to forgive and move on. I hope a better streaming platform is created on the STEEM blockchain in the coming weeks/months.
thank you, for the SBI enrollement. i do appreciate it.
hf20 lag kicked my rhythm onsteemit.
im quite surprised to see this about Dlive, but i did find it strange when it was running when steem was not.
I learned today that there is https://www.vimm.tv/ basically does the same thing. Dtube also supports streaming. If these people wants dlive to fail, they should act differently. Instead of wasting their power to flag me, upvoting some newbie's content over there might actually help. But NOPE.
Yeah, I think people are really heated about this right now and emotion probably took over. I also rarely flag because I'd prefer to give the rewards to someone else. I do admire people like Bernie who are willing to use their stake for the purpose of countering scammers, though. Both methods (up/down vote) make the STEEM blockchain much more dynamic than somewhere like Facebook, where there isn't even a simple thumbs down built in.
another member of the Bernie clan detected!
Not at all, I used to hate the way he acted. It's just over the months I've come to understand his underlying intentions better. Respecting someone doesn't mean I agree with the way they go about things or even everything they do. All I said is I respect him for being one of the few whales willing to sacrifice profit to counter bad actors.
Did you say Dlive is doing something shady behind the scenes? I see Dlive left Steem, and is that shady or what was the shady part of it, specifically? Was it shady because Dlive didn't come forward with their plan to leave Steem until now? Did Dlive violate contracts, trust, or something?
There's a lot of speculation at this point, which I usually avoid unless it's certain, but in this case it seems like there is a high probability that this was their plan all along. I doubt they had a physical contract with @steemit, instead, they broke an unspoken contract by using a massive delegation to pay their team and build a competing platform. That's made a lot of people committed to STEEM pretty upset.
If they had been honest about their intentions, I doubt they would have gotten the huge delegations they did. I believe they knew that so they kept it secret as long as possible to continue milking the rewards pool.
Agreed, they could have done it differently, and we should be upset, and I hope we bounce back even stronger than ever without Dlive and with alternatives and everything. Thanks so much for talking about this. Upvoted.
Make Steem .8 again! lolol
It's not hate. People are just upset that's all. It's healthy to be upset when someone used them and then leave.
At least you can spare me a few minutes to get a few answers, specially from @meno. Since it was a reply to his comment.
But nope, let's get upset and act like mad so some big guy may see how furios we are and give us a 30 cent upvote. C'mon guys.
You asked what's wrong with it. Well it's manipulative and exploiting people. When you have plans to use them and then run to another place because of simple greed. They can do what they want but people will be upset about it.
And why are you upset about me? Am I one of dLive team? Did I exploit you?
Am I supporting this action, or looking for reasons to prevent it happen again. Which line actually made you flag that comment.
I just recently flagged by a mob, and I just though fuck it, I'm taking my worthless 500 SP and get out of this shit-hole. If you think few years later. If I had 50k SP and I kinda rely on income from steem. That mob was going to take my dinner from my table maybe a whole week of food was gone.
Is this how you add value to this community? Just because you had a bigger stick than me, do you have to swing it, mr young philosopher? Is this how you communicate in your real life, is this how you stay in peace in your neighbourhood?
"they didn't steal anything, they didn't hurt anyone" here you are wrong. They both stole people's valuable time and then let Steem users creator their new logo. They hurt many people. Just look at all the upset comments on this post.
I might be, but they paid steem to their content creators and paid steem to that designer for the work done. I see many upset people around but don't see the reason rather than a bandwagon effect.
There are people trying to censor an announcement post, what is the goal here, what's going to happen when this post downs to 0 or his reputation goes minus, from now on?
And I'm still getting flags here without any reason :). So there is no need to continue to this debate.
Thanks for your time.
Not sure if you have understood this place. It's based on Stake. People can like or disagree with you. Conversations will be heated.
I think it's more than just greed playing a part in all this, does success go hand in hand with greed? In my opinion, absolutely. I believe 99% of the entire crypto-market is driven by greed. DLive is up to something, and if they have to ruffle a few feathers to get the job done then so be it. I'm sure when twitch decided to sell out to Amazon for nearly a billion dollars it ruffled a few feathers.
You are crazy if you think 99% of the crypto market is driven by greed. Shows you have no clue about the human heart and what people really want. Freedom. It's a degrading view of humans thinking they only care about money and not love and relationships. This movement is mainly about humans creating a more fair world. 99% of humans are extremely loving and doesn't go for starting a business to maximise profits. That is a minority.
Best comment here! Thx for that.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@pagandance/the-sad-truth-about-steemit-4
Crazy? Maybe a bit, sure. You claim I have no clue about the human heart and what people really want? Well now it just sounds like you're claiming that I'm some kind of alien and not human at all. If you really wanna get technical than I could say that "I do know the human heart, because all it really does is pump blood", but to entertain your perspective, sure, people want freedom. Do I have a degrading view of humanity, maybe, we do live in strange times. I've been to jail. I've seen and heard some shit. The kind of shit that makes you squirm and make a disgusted face. But don't get me wrong, I'm all for love and freedom but when it comes to money, greed is always a factor. ALWAYS. And don't assume you know people better than they know themselves, that you know what people want, because if I told you what I really wanted in this world, it wouldn't align with what you think you know.
You were right.. check this thread today. His assumption failed!
The vast majority of human beings are driven by greed. I can't put a percentage on it but economy goes down crime goes up, there's no disputing people are greedy or at the very least have a survival instinct which at some point kicks in and makes them greedy. saying majority of crypto community is greedy IMHO isn't a slam on the crypto community, its a slame on human beings as a whole and it's true.
I honestly think in many ways the crypto community is more virtuous than regular society. Look at all the tipping and free money people have given out to help grow crypto, look at how generous people who made money in crypto have been to indivuduals and companies.Many crypto people are very virtuous and generous but as a whole people are greedy. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts abslutely
Power doesn't corrupt. But if that person with power divides the world and look at things differently then that is a corrupt person. But it has nothing to do with power. It has to do with the person.
Trust me, most people just want to get their bags filled at this point. Not a lot of people care. I am sure that after 3 extra months of spending time on here, you might slightly agree. After all, you're powering down and heading for the exit just like dlive did. Steem's payment system is anything but fair.
Is greed a good or bad thing?
Wow. Great question raised @joeyarnoldvn . And right on time.
I've read that older Dtube videos are discontinued if they're lacking enough rewards, after a few months. I've read some articles, some posts about it. So, I wrote about that since my older Dtube videos are not loading. So, Dlive didn't do that. But then a guy voted me down from a reputation of 55 to 51 this week just for bringing that up a few times here. He said that I should not say the same thing over and over again. I'm saying it because people say Dtube is better than Dlive and I can show people that my Dlive videos are still up while my Dtube videos are not. Thanks for commenting. Upvoted.
Good question. I dont know.
But when it comes from me, I joined Steem for earning money. But this money will also benefit the platform. Why? Because the stuff ill be buying from this money would be cameras, for the blog, donations and etc. Now tell me, is it greedy?
Good question and I love money and I love to help other people and I love free markets and greed is more of an emotion that may or may not be there during life like sadness and anger and laughter and everything. Upvoted.
Generally, it is good in the short-run and bad in long-run. If you are going to die next week, go ahead and be greedy.
I think the post was expressive enough. They left because they can, and because they didn't have much faith in this platform like you do. I thik it was purely a business move. They had so much support and so to lose and they left anyways.
I love competition and prefer Dlive over Dtube, and we also have Bitchute.
Thank you @scipio for granting me 2 hours of visibility.
And thanks to you as well dear @steem-ua for using your delegated power to flag this unreasonable, full of shit, spammy comment. Great usage of power from the week 3.
No more dlive, steem-ua is the life. Yeah!. We need more dApps like you.
You forgot the courtesy of my friend @cnts , long-time personal delegator.
I didn't get what you mean at all, don't know who he is. But you both welcome to jerk your egos with you greens. Enjoy.
@oups because they achieved that success thanks in no small part to a delegation of 2 million SP from @misterdelegation.
So, I guess we can't trust Dlive if they did betray us by leaving. I've prefer Dlive over Dtube and am bitter sweet about this divorce.
Ah! @oups. That statement that I've selected above alone is key here to not feeling like a cuckold husband on this tragic love story. };)
Just look with how much passion reacted the biggest DLive's spited lovers on your comment. Hahahahaha
Haha, thanks for putting a smile just before I go, it's 8 in the morning and I still didn't sleep.
I just want to remind that There are plenty of fish in the sea.
Cheers mate! I'm glad for have been able to draw a smile on your face. :)
I'm following you too from now on. And just I'm gonna sign up right away on the new Lino blockchain's DLive #LinoNetwork to claim my username over there and also claim my brandnew Bonus of 100 LINO Points securing me a good place in the row to flirt with this little slut from the very beginning increasing my chance to wet the caramel among the first ones in this new bacchanal. ;)
I can never stream Live shit ever to gain her preference. But however, one never knows if I could eventually stream live a nice and unexpected premature intercourse with her along the road!! 👌
Yep, I was baffled by the way they insisted on incorporating yellow in their logo. After it did so well being purple for so long. I'm actually glad that I backed out of this contest and didn't contribute to this project. and I'm looking forward to a Dlive alternative on steem soon.
Further, here is an article I found. I think it was published around the same time Dlive came online... https://www.coindesk.com/lino-raises-20-million-youtube-fight/
Vimm.tv cough cough youre welcome there :)
Is Vimm.tv ready or is it real? Do I need to Gaagle it haha?
https://www.vimm.tv/
is it open source?
Can't quit say, but i didnt see any git repo. Havent checked for it tbh. @Chiren could answer this for sure.
Why is vimm "needed" if Dtube has live streaming already?
I was downvoted this week for talking about a secret about Dtube and my REP went from 55 to 51 for mentioning the flaw too many times some might say and I could tell you but I may get flagged some more for writing about it.
downvoting and ruining other user's rep is the trademark of Steemit witnesses
True.
That's how the system works, you can get punished here for your words.
Luckily there's services like anonsteem, you should check it out.
I understand and I wouldn't have it any other way. Is anonsteem a voting bot thing?
Competition is always good.
Sincerely,
@Mysteor
True, and it's best for the customer also. Good to see other projects tackling this.
First of all, Dtubes livestreaming wont work quite well for now. And clearly its not a focus of them to get it going. but since dlive is history already, vimm is just as needed as dlive was before :)
I see, thanks.
Check out Dtube videos that are several months old and which didn't earn more than a dollar or so. In my experience, I've been unable to play, to load, those older videos.
But I do love ninjas over pirates hehe.
Did you say Pirate? Why you picking on me I had nothing to do with d.live?
Haha yes. Upvoted.
9th march 2018:::: It was a planned FU from the beginning !!!!
Well said @meno! Well said!
Interestingly put @meno. I initially thought that they simply got bought by Lino since, it's obvious that @wa7 is part of their team currently but, your theory certainly puts me on thought.
Nevertheless, they played us and built their technology, and more importantly their userbase, with our resources, and are now gone.
That reminds me that Michael Jackson kind of stole the moon walk from some other people before him. To some extent, people take and steal from the people before them, even as King Solomon once said thousands of years ago that there is nothing new under the sun.
What you're talking about is originality, a platform "stealing" an idea from another platform; DLive taking the idea of live-streaming from Twitch. But, what is happening now is completely different.
Whatever gets the free market moving, right? That is interesting. Thanks. Upvoted.
Yes, downvoting is a good idea, plus, an alternative also helps too.