DLive is joining the Lino blockchain, moving away from Steem

in #dlive3 years ago (edited)

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Dear DLivers & Steemians,

I have some news about DLive to share with everyone on DLive and Steemit. Before I get into the details, I want to take a moment to thank @ned and Steemit Inc. for the support. Steem is an amazing blockchain. It was the first project to introduce its own content-focused blockchain to provide an outlet for those content creators being censored, demonetized, and treated unfairly on other platforms like Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, and Twitch. I sincerely feel that DLive adds value to the Steem blockchain and we have shown the new and existing users of Steemit just how great this blockchain is. However, we have realized that a consumption-based economy is indispensable for the long-term sustainability of any live streaming and video applications. The major source of income for streamers should be highly dependent on their viewers supporting them through various methods such as tipping, gifting, and subscriptions. Now, it is time to start a new chapter on this journey. On Monday, September 24th at 10:00 am PDT, DLive will be migrating to the Lino blockchain testnet. During the migration, DLive will be down for the entire day. On Tuesday, September 25th at 10:00 am PDT, we will be back up and running but on the Lino blockchain testnet.

This may come as a shock to our Community but my team and I have had thorough discussions about truly bringing this platform to the next level. Yes, there is a bunch of development work that needs to be done before we become competitive but we feel this move to Lino will greatly improve the user experience and performance of DLive. More importantly, it will create a sustainable future for DLive. The Lino blockchain not only maintains the important positive attributes for why DLive decided to utilize blockchain technology for live streaming but also provides solutions for a more decentralized and stable infrastructure, fee-less transactions, and can process over 10,000 transactions per second which is ideal for micro transactions. On top of all this, Lino’s main focus is to revolutionize the video content ecosystem and will be providing resources and support to make it a reality. The Lino Team is a group of talented individuals that share the same vision in the future of blockchain and video industry. Your original content should not become something that is manipulated by anyone or entity. We believe by utilizing the Lino ecosystem that DLive can become a killer app that stands out from all the DApps in the world.

On Tuesday, September 25th at 10:00 am PDT after the migration is complete, you can expect to see a glimpse of "The New DLive" along with a new UI and the new branding. It is an exciting change for every DLiver. Unfortunately, after the migration, the DLive android application will be down for roughly a week. For all the users that are using the mobile application, we ask that you use the web app, or navigate to https://dlive.io on your mobile browsers.

Why is DLive migrating?

We've been monitoring analytics and we were not able to reward our content creators with the true value of their content. Our focus was to grow our user base, and build an engaging live streaming and video community while growing Steem as well, and deliver upvotes as evenly as possible during the last 9 months. However, the current economic model of Steem incentivizes large Steem holders to continuously upvote their own content and other creators who specifically support their content. This creates an ecosystem where a content’s true value can't be recognized or be fairly rewarded. Community members who are not "privileged" enough to be a part of these groups with large voting power are therefore penalized financially. This problem has been brought up many times within the community and even by prominent figures outside of the community. We believe that this problem, along with the current market conditions has led to a decreased consumption rate of live streams and videos on the platform and is one of the most important issues we are looking to resolve. For DLive to reach the next level of live streaming and video, we need a more sustainable ecosystem and a more fair mechanism to encourage content consumption and production on the platform.

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There are other issues that will be addressed after the migration. Things like account setups. Account setups are instant on the new DLive, you can create an account and start live streaming or uploading videos within a few minutes. This is so important for mainstream adoption. We monitored our guest accounts and found that only a small percentage were able to wait for a Steemit account to start using our platform.

For improving the live streaming experience, you can start and stop your broadcast whenever you like straight from your broadcasting software. There is no need to make a new post every time you go live. There are many more reasons why we are migrating and I believe if you sign into DLive on Tuesday, September 25th as a new or existing user you will agree.

How will DLive users be rewarded during the Lino testnet phase?

During the test net period on the Lino blockchain, we will use LINO Testnet Points to reward users. Rewards will be delivered through tipping and gifting rather than upvotes. All the users will be allocated a certain amount of free LINO Points when they sign up. Users will also be able to buy LINO Points in order to make donations. We will also have channel subscriptions enabled shortly after the migration, so you will be able to subscribe to your favorite channels. However, consumption is very important to support content creators. The major source of income for content creators will come from the donations from viewers and fans who truly appreciate the original content, and eventually, the DLive team will reward users through the Lino blockchain inflation pool instead of directly rewarding users through tipping.

Lino has an inflationary rewards pool similar to Steemit. This is paid out on top of your tips, gifts, and channel subscriptions based on Proof of Content Value; it will be done automatically based on the consumption using a proprietary algorithm. The reward pool distribution to you, as a content creator, will be proportional to the amount that your content earnings constitute of the entire tipping pool earnings.

For example, when you receive a $5 tip, and the remainder of the entire DLive ecosystem content tipping pool within the same time frame generates an additional $95, your earnings constitute 5% of the total earnings pool and therefore will be rewarded approximately 5% of the inflationary reward pool. All the posts on the Lino blockchain will not have 7-day earnings window, which means all the posts can be tipped and earn bonus rewards from the inflation rewards pool forever.

Earnings for a single post (live stream or video) ≈ Donations from viewers + Bonus rewards from blockchain inflation.

Introducing the New Community Hub

End-user experience has always been and will always be a top priority for us. Nothing will change with this migration, we understand how resistant the Community may be to change but let me assure you that our team will be here to assist in anything you may need. We just launched a new Community Hub in replacement of the Help Center, dedicated to all of DLive’s users. The new Community Hub consists of a help center, a forum, a blog, and customer support services. From now on you can access all the resources you need in one location.

As always our team is accessible through Discord, DLive Fanbase and the new Community Hub, 24 hours a day. If you have any questions that are not addressed in the Community Hub, please don't hesitate to contact us.

A New Chapter, A New Start

To show our appreciation, all DLive accounts created prior to September 24th will receive 100 LINO Points as a bonus, when you sign in to The New DLive and claim your Lino blockchain account.

The New DLive on a new blockchain. It is a change as well as a challenge to DLive and everyone in the community. It is a new journey for both DLive and the Lino blockchain and I am sure everyone will love it.


We have always valued the opinion of our Community. If you will be using #TheNewDLive and are supportive of this change, leave a comment below. I can’t wait to hear from all of you!

Again, thanks @steemit, hello #LinoNetwork.

#DLiveForever

Best Regards,
Charles Wayn (Kent)
CEO, DLive


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I think it is despicable that dlive are leaving Steem as well as poaching Steem's users to a different chain, no less after so many Steemit users have put their time and effort into helping dlive become what it is today.

Ultimately, I think the decision to leave is only going to do harm to dlive and not Steem itself. A network effect can only be achieved if projects like Dlive build on Steem - the first and most established blockchain for social media applications. Taking the dapp else where is just fracturing value.

If it's not built on Steem then I can't support, or use it. As such, I will no longer be a dlive'er. Disappointing yes, but as others have pointed out, Steem is much much bigger than dlive.

Good luck, good bye, and good riddance.

For the first time in 2 years I fully agree with you. Well said. There's always the option to bridge rather than exploit and "poach" and it's evident which route the Dlive team has taken.

They can't poach anything more if you disconnect them from your authorized apps via steemconnect.

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How do I disconnect my Steem from my Dlive using Steem Connect? Right now, I have not logged into Dlive in a few weeks. So, I have to manually log in. So, do I need to change my posting keys or what?

They left due to they failed at streaming, still unable to code their way out of a paper bag they instruct you to download OBS to stream with dlive. @vimm is a streaming project released with real developers, you are correct Steemit is better off!

I liked Dlive over Dtube but yeah, too bad Dlive is leaving. Yeah, this may hurt Dlive in the long run, more so than they know. Hard to say exactly but I feel like I can't trust Dlive now. That is how I feel, subjectively. I like Bitchute.

But steem is full of people like you who are selfish and only a fraction of the people who live on the planet are like that which is why it didn't grow. Most people are kind and have compassion. This is what happens when people like you get voted by arrogant selfish idiots. Influencers who are like them killig growth and getting rich while doing it.

Yeah, that may be true.

Pretty terrible to take a Steemit delegation to build a business to leave the Steem ecosystem...

The Steem blockchain is much bigger than Dlive. It was fun while it lasted indeed...but soon we will have a replacement. Its really sad because this will confuse many who don't see the bigger picture. #STEEM

Agreed, DLive wasn't even that essential to the Steem ecosystem lately; and there's not even a need for a replacement since DTube already has a live streaming function. More free SP to be delegated to new projects, at least. :)

But I cannot watch my older Dtube videos because those videos didn't make enough money and you may see the videos but they will not load as they were removed after a few weeks or so it seems.

Yep. None of the die-hard Dtube guys seem to want to address this.

Thank you for commenting. Upvoted. You can see that @tombstone downvoted my comments related to this, which pulled down my reputation from 55 to 51 this week which discourage me, a filmmaker, a photographer, a world traveler, to post on Steemit, to talk about things, to be honest about issues, like you said.

we can look at VIMM
I literally spoke with the dev of that 2 days ago....they have something legit going on there....
They also have designed it so you can join with or without an account on our blockchain...opening the door for us to bring new users into our community.

What is VIMM?

Something with way more class than dlive. Too bad for dLive that 50,000 pissed of steem bloggers and streamers are about to decimate the traitor bandits in the news ;)

I hear second hand their discord channel has gone bonkers and that the death threats have already started up in earnest.

To removed your content from dLive before they steal your personal property and move it to another chain database without your consent, log in and edit/delete each one. They are not offering a way currently to wholesale remove your content. You can also use third party tools to download the content, and a post is going to be made by a concerned user in a community I am in, which will outline the way to find the direct storage link and download your prior content using tools like VLC player.

I was in there with you, and I feel @chiren is really approachable. Future is bright for vimm

#fuckdlive Now I see what they did. Haha they pulled the same shit that vuilly project did in the past. Just in reverse.... So why not be honest and say in the post that you guys ran an ICO?

Remember Vice and their steem airdrop?

@vimm is a pretty good Dlive alternative

DTube is already a replacement alternative with DTV...

Not with that 25% cut it's not.

I can't watch my older Dtube videos.

VIMM is here and I think @dtube has incorporated live-streaming as well. That should ease us a bit. Brands come and go, but the major ideas stick behind. Even though they started live streaming on the blockchain, they won't be the last to do so, and won't even be the greatest to do so anymore.

Can not agree more!

Dtube offers streaming so I feel the Steem Blockchain is going to be nothing but stronger my good friend. This platform has a chance to change the world and break down barriers, they are takin ga big risk stepping away. Steemit will live on =)

I can't load my older Dtube videos.

Me 2. So what?

I think it's great news/warning for steem stakeholders, to see and hear community requests. If they think bid-bots, self-votes, angry whales will attract investors but not dapps (if they don't support them enough), well we'll see how it goes. I think every dApp should pursue its goals and look for better solutions. I don't think dLive is happy with this change but we can't blame the team at all.

And I think they already brought enough value/people compared to the delegation they had. Other dApps should think about moving to steem (this money generating blockchain with zero transaction fees and almost instant transactions.) However we are witnessing to opposite why? maybe our stakeholders have a short vision, unfortunately.

We already have a handful of successful dApps around here, if we lose a few more...

I tried dLive once, my upload speed wasn't efficient enough and I know dTube is going to support live streaming. Or someone else can work on a live streaming dApp on steem but if nothing is going to change, results won't change either.

One flag would've been enough buddy, thanks for approving my point.

"if they don't support them enough" you say, do you really think a million SP delegation isn't enough? lol.

It's a good thing they're gone then, more attention for DTUBE, and more SP for new DAPPS as my friend @guyfawkes4-20 said

I wasn't talking about steemit inc's delegation but other ones who invests in bid-bots and try to get some ROI by self-votes. From my point of view dApps will save this blockchain. Everyone cheering about SMTs, what's SMT? a tool for dApps, hivemind? niche networks... That's the only future for steem, or there will always be alternative chains.

Steem is lucky to be a frontier but that's all, it was even luckier when koreans decided to pump it.

Yeah what if dTube decides to move to another chain, will you support them as you do today?

edit, sorry I forgot to answer your question properly, yes apparently a million SP wasn't enough for them to stay here.

Yeah, @wa7 is clearly part of the Lino team, and after reading this whole post, with their free 100 "Points," this just seems like a cheap attempt to steal away Steemians.

You can always grab those points and use them to buy Steem. ;)

Huh, yeah, if they would have any value. :)

It will certainly be interesting to see how Lino tokens will stack up among all the other coins out there. I'm sure it will have some value, here's hoping I can get 1 Steem for it. :P

I say, their chances of succeeding (becoming at least one of the top 50 tokens) are not that big. All the crypto people are already using Steem to post their clips on the blockchain, why migrate to another platform.

And even if Steemians go on their video platform, they will probably just end up taking the price, and buy back into Steem, or even fiat.

Their only chance is to hit the Asian market.

Lol they aren't worth anything

How can a small group of devs "steal" anyone? You're free to come and go as you please, as are they.

Of course, everybody's free to come and go as they please. DLive surely got bought to move, and probably for a substantial sum of money since they were already doing great over here. Why not use both chains? Because they are part of the Lino team.

They can leave but, the way they leave seems just like a slap in the face to the blockchain that put them on the map. Why give away 100 Points? Because you need new users and are trying to acquire/steal them from here.

But yeah, maybe you are right, a handful of devs can't steal away Steemians to a new testnet platform because, with all its problems, Steem is still the best social-media blockchain out there, and the industry standard at the moment. Thus, who would leave it for something non-existent? :)

I'm willing to test the waters on this new endeavor of theirs. I am nor ever was exclusive to @DLive or #STEEM, but I believe that both will be successful on their own accounts. I'm a streamer, and I still do the occasional stream on twitch, of course it's not primarily for the money or that twitch has all the bells and whistles, it's to show my audience there are better alternatives like DLive. I also blog, and a majority of my posts are oriented towards life as a streamer, so even after DLive pulls out and blows their wad in a younger, prettier, less experienced partner, I'll still be blogging on @Steempeak.

Its because they can be on both chains, it's not as if they have cooties all of a sudden and the community will forever shun them, even though the thoughtform of "Steem loyalty" cannot fathom such alternatives.

Two Million In Delegations from Steemit. Yep. Theft of users and using us to fund their startup, intentionally planning to then go take 20 Million from the next hotty.

In marriages, it's not called "theft", it's called domestic abuse and adultry.

I know we dont always agree, but I have to say you pretty well nailed it this time.

Even a broken clock ;)

Wheres the covenant or in this case the contract? In reality, Theft doesn't exist when you talk about delegation, what is delegated isn't taken, it was given.

You don't look old enough to have been in business or tech very long, and the knife in your mouth also tells me some basic kindergarten knife safety lessons were overlooked, but google "collusion" and "The story of the Trojan Horse", thanks for your input though. ;)

Yeah, it is pretty bad, like a divorce.

Yes, they can be on both chains but, obviously, they don't want that since they are leaving Steem for good, their delegation is already removed.

But that's good; if they don't want us, it's better that they are leaving now than, leaving when we're huge. :D

Hmm, but I was talking about us users being on both chains..

Sorry, my bad in that case.

Yeah, users can use both chains, it is already happening, that's not such a huge issue, necessarily.

But, people didn't just used DLive for their service but, for the chain they were operating on. A lot of people became video content creators after the launch of DTube, and eventually DLive because they saw an opportunity in doing so since they could've got rewarded in Steem.

People were also able to stream on Twitch it's same as DLive, probably better as technology but, many of them never did it since it's not Steem.

DLive developed their tech here, with the resources we provided, and are now leaving with to another chain, and that is the reason people are mad.

Yep, some people don't understand the principle of cause-and-effect. This decision will follow their business and negatively affect their reputation permanently. ¯\ _(ツ) _/¯ Seems like a bad idea in the long term.

I can only imagine what incredible things you and Yaba would achieve with that kind of delegation.

∞§∞Truth∞§∞

This was also my thoughts. Some other questions I am asking myself is: What will happen with all the SP and why not simply create a platform on both chains.

Probably a big chunk of that SP will now go to DTube because there will be an increasing demand for curation on their DApp since all the DLive users will migrate over there.

They could've easily kept their service for both chains but, since they are leaving, it is obvious that they got bought.

In the german discord I also learned about @vimm another video platform here on steemit.

I imagine they will use their capital to give power to their new project in lino.

How can they "take" a delegation?

That’s easy. People delegated steem power to them to help them with their dapp, I mean Capp. They used that delegation to earn steem which they are pocketing and taking to another blockchain.

Trevon is spot on. I have had dms with their main dev he didn't even understand what a peer was and why it's important to host files in different locations Clive centralize live.

All those precious pennies that are going to be "cashed" out. O gawd, save the pennies!

Can you prove that Lino is centralized?

I am sick to my stomach to hear this. I feel like the Steem community is what helped Dlive become who you are today and now you are abandoning us.

And you are leaving on the exact day that HF20 takes effect that would have allowed dlive,with its 2 million SP, to create alot of "instant" accounts

I will however wish you luck with your future endeavors, as I don't like negativity and wish no person/persons ill will

Looks like a perfect time to look into VIMM!

“Steem holders to continuously upvote their own content and other creators who specifically support their content.“ interesting seeing that you paid to be upvoted by a bot

I thought it was weird anyway having dlive and dtube when dtube now supports live streaming. We dont need both.

Competition is always good to have.

Yeah, Steem put them on the map, and they are now leaving with what seems to be a slap in the face. My guess is they got bought; they probably got a % in the business, that being the main reason they are leaving since they already had it more than good over here.

This is the first time I've ever used my rented SP to flag a post 100%. Mainly because I usually prefer to take the route of rewarding excellent content/comments instead and stay out of inefficient conflicts.

But this post is simply unacceptable without you being more honest. You think you can put on a false front and give a few flippant reasons why you're moving to Lino, without telling the full truth. The community is not that stupid. Did you or did you not plan this for an extended amount of time, secretly and behind the scenes?

If not, you have a lot of explaining to do. Did Steemit, Inc. know of your plans? Did you really think this decision would not greatly enrage people, especially making it suddenly out of nowhere? Do you really not think this will permanently damage your company's reputation because of the lack of integrity you have displayed?

If you wanted to do this the right way and really felt you needed a different blockchain for your project, you would have written a genuine announcement about this a long time ago. But you wanted to keep getting free handouts from STEEM as long as possible, didn't you?

Answer all these questions in full detail and complete honesty and I'd retract my flag as well as edit this comment.

[self-upvoted for visibility.]

P.S. Note that I don't support the aggressive way some are choosing to handle this. Death threats are never acceptable. We can handle this in a more civil manner.

But we still expect answers if you want things to even somewhat resolve when it comes to your relationship to the STEEM community. I write this comment with a loving intent and not out of anger. We're waiting for the fuller truth of this situation to emerge.

Seems like it was well planned for many months. Masterpiece!

No answers that will be truthful will be shared by these scum bags...

  1. multiple daily social media contests to blast them using Steemit members before leaving.
  2. recent logo contest to include yellow... using steemit members before leaving
  3. Failing as a streaming project as @vimm arrives they leave. (had to download OBS to stream with dlive, they are horrible)
  4. now leaving with our content and offering 100 Lino coins if we join...
    not sober forgive the grammar

I also doubt they will own up to things. I just wanted to write a post to express the reasons why I chose to flag, but also to give the opportunity for them to explain themselves if they really have the cojones.

Thanks for the info, I'm not too in the loop when it comes to DLive. Actually, I was planning on making my first video over there soon, but now it'll be on @vimm or somewhere else.

A dApp that is centralized & a streaming program that can't stream without actual streaming software.... does @lino realize they picked up our trash?

I feel like these are all issues that are currently being addressed by the current hardfork and the next one planned in March. No hate here, but I think there will be a lot of people that were supporting DLive not following you guys to another chain. Best of luck and hope that grass stays greener for you, but I dumped all the other projects I had any stake in like EOS because I think you'll find, like I did, that often they have serious problems of their own to work out.

I’m more upset that they are leaving the Steem community for the sake of their dapp surviving instead of sticking around and trying to help steem survive. I thought dlive was a steem thing.

Now we are getting to the root of the issue...

it is a lie, they could be on EOS, Steemit, Lino and more they are deceitful lying scum bags.

Crusade ALLL The Blockchains!

I really don't understand what the purpose is, or why it is necessary
especially when STEEM is going to be having the major updates it will be having relatively soon. It seems that you all want to build a great platform, but fracturing and potentially destroying the entire userbase doesn't really seem like a great idea. Why was this decision made and announced not even a week before implementing without any input from the community? That's distressing, and "#InDLiveWeTrust" isn't really an answer, blind faith is a bad idea.

Why not have DLive work cross-chain and work with both or more chains?

I am not sure that I will continue to use the service if it is off STEEM entirely.

I don't even know what LINO is, it may be better for DLive, but at least give people time to understand. 5 days is not nearly enough. I thought transparency was the rule of law at Dlive, and am severely disappointed.

Well it seems that they don't feel they've been rewarded good enough, the fact that you and many others feel this sense of loyalty where it's either or is the real shame since this could be a real win win.

Don't worry everyone, it looks like @vimm is poised to take their place, and although they're still in alpha, they already have a lot of features I wished dlive had. (Here's a link to their discord if you are interested.)

I don't look at this as a loss, I see it as a market opportunity for something better to fill the demand.

Best of luck to you in your future endeavors, @dlive and co, and thanks for all the support you've given @msp-waves over the past months.

Well said. Market opp was my second thought after true globo-style grumbling.

It will be interesting to see how things pan out.

Was thinking the same thing.

Awesome, Joker, thanks for the heads up on Vimm.

We are very disappointed to see Dlive leave the Steem ecosystem. As much as we understand the need for innovation, and the upsides of having control over your own blockchain, we can't help but to think that this exit is happening right before the peak of opportunity.

In our view, it would have made more sense to become part of the SMT ecosystem and build on a blockchain that had already the underpinnings to catapult Dlive into new heights, but recognise at the same time the value of freedom and choice.

Farewell,
Team Smartsteem

Professional post I agree with Smartsteem, their is so much more that steemit still has to offer it has heart.
That said that is why we have freedom and we should be professional about their leaving.
Respect.

Agreed, the peak, the horizon, of opportunity, is here on Steem, Bitchute, Gab, etc.....

Sir i did not receive upvote yet as i have sent 15 steem

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What happens to existing videos ?

Are you taking them to the new blockchain too ?
I don t ant my videos at that new Blockchain. I was using DLive because I wanted to support Steem not Lino !

I don t get the reason why you moving ... it is possible to Tip steem too... Without any transaction fee.

You think wales upvoting their own content is bad ... well I think so too. But at the new Blockchain it will be even worst !
Just think about 2 Users that both have 1000 Lino ... UserA does a tip of 1000Lino to User B ... UserB does a tip of 1000 Lino to UserA ... Both still have 1000 Lino but will earn from the inflation pool .... This system will be exploited way more than steem.

Wow, this is big news. I hope @wa7 understands that the majority of people here are obviously upset; however I'd say that this event is something the Steem community (including Steemit Inc) should learn from:

DLive is a business, and as a business owner / founder / manager you have to do what you deem best for your business. While the arguments in this post are fairly weak (why can't you have tipping with Steem?), there's definitely a thing to the account creation topic which hinders growth for a startup (a lot, I suppose).

  • as a side-note, I wonder what account creation looks like on Lino -

Therefore it's DLive's right to make this swap. However, what seems really wrong is that they've used the delegation from Steemit Inc to grow their business initially and now that they've had their kickstart they abandon the ecosystem to start their own. If Steemit had given DLive a usual "real world" grant, investment or whatever, this kind of thing would be prohibited by real world contracts. @tcpolymath also had a good piece about the delegation principles. @ned maybe something to think about.

The other side of this is that leaving Steem will probably kill support from thousands of users. Whether Lino is actually usable or valuable to DLive's remaining and new users is totally unclear. So far, and without having read much about Lino, it seems the whole thing is pretty centralized. Good luck with that!

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Dlive and Lino may not be decentralized, maybe not a real blockchain, and I dislike that, if that is true. I prefer real, complete, thorough, blockchains.

Wow so many downvotes! I rarely if ever see one. Here are my thoughts as a video creator. I love making videos, I have been very active with YouTube since the end of 2013 with my cooking show, and with over 230 videos and about 5 years later, I make okay money on YouTube, but if you took away my top two earning videos after all that work, I would make a pittance. I was so happy to find DTube! It was another avenue to earn money with my content. I tried DLive and just didn't like the experience much over there. I know people love that platform. I just couldn't get much traction on it. I think using the Steem Delegation to build up their platform and then leave is not cool. But here is the thing, so many people got upvotes from Dlive right? DLive can't take that money away from you. So at least a lot of people here on Steemit benefited from the delegation. I think out of all my videos that I made on there, I got upvoted once by DLive. haha at any rate, I am fine that they are leaving, but I was never really invested with them that much, I am sorry for those that are/were. I do wish people would be a little more civil though with each other in the comments. :)

Glad you made money on YouTube

Thanks! lots of hard work and lots of time. haha and still not much money a month for the effort. haha

Yeah, it takes a lot of work but as you grow your brand, and everything, it takes places unlike the world has ever seen, a little bit like @Cernovich. Upvoted.

You got a 78.13% upvote from @booster courtesy of @redjepi!

Everyone on some threshold or another is reluctant to change, so from my perspective I happen to think that this is a positive step in the right direction for @DLive. I really don't like the idea of migrating to a completely new blockchain that hasn't weathered the storm of the crypto-market like #STEEM has, but new isn't necessarily a bad thing here. Blockchain tech is on the cusp of a new generation and the Lino blockchain appears to be very oriented toward video content creators, human interaction, and a fair rewards system. I just wish there was a bit more tech info but I can't even find the whitepaper!
All in all, I'm with #DLive on this one, you will see myself and @reptimom88 on the new platform.
Cheers to new beginnings @DLive :beers:

I wanted to find more information and it was disappointing.

I wanted to find
More information and it
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The competition is good and good luck to Lino.

Are you serious? SMT's are on the horizon allowing for account based voting. Wouldn't that address the problem? And after all the support you've received from the Steemit Devs and community.

"Disappointment" doesn't even begin to explain how I feel hearing this...

Combined with the fact that this was a rushed decision with no proper community input or allowance for proper time to even research LINO to begin with. It's starting to feel more like a betrayal and opportunist move than anything. Best case it's gonna fracture the community tremendously, worst case, it's gonna kill the userbase. I don't even understand why they can't make it cross-chain at the very least.

Cash n grab, buddy. It all looks real bad on the team at this point. And the audacity to carry it out when HF20 is released. I don't buy any of it and am totally with you on this.

I'm heavily skeptical, yeah. The fact that they continue to powervote with bots and avoid saying anything that isn't culty "we trust!!" shit is very interesting to say the least.

From what I'm reading, they planned on being LINO(or LI-NO as @steemitqa said) from the start. Its the little things, but the biggest thing is that they all went to college together.

The college thing makes me think Lino is like Facebook all over again.

Is anything cross-chain yet? I would love to see something between, Steem, Gab, Minds, Real Video, and Bitchute, for example.

Agreed, I feel betrayed, almost as bad as when Peter Pan was trying to kill own son, or something, Gold, from Once Upon a Time.

LOL This!

Link points to Steem version of DLive :-P

No reason for people like me to go there.

No blogging. No other.

Only dlive.

The irony is unchainy

Well, thats will be end of DCR Tools support for Dlive :(


well, I want to cry - months of work... ;(

I accompany you in your pain, you should join other developers in revenge for that, creating a new platform.

oh zygibo :( I feel your pain...

Maybe you should talk to the VIMM guys? It's still in alpha, but developing tools early could work out better for you. Actually glad I saw this as I used your tools but never actually found you on the chain to show you any support.

What didn't kill you makes you stronger. I failed in the first website I was trying to build in 2012, a site called MeaOmnia.com, and it was supposed to be like Facebook but better. I spent months on it and then my sponsor was giving up on it as we were not making money on it. But i sure did learn a lot. You too. It is painful when projects die, but you know, no pain, no gain, no oatmeal, and you get right back up again.

Congratulations!

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(Now with sprinkles!)

As an experienced longtime producer of amazing content for consumers to enjoy as they utilize this blockchain and as someone who has used their stake from time to time in an attempt to support those using your service known as the Old, Moldy, and now Defunct DDead in order to help your service and the contributors see success, only to be told it wasn't enough and I've wasted my time...

Well...

To that I say good riddance!

If the shirt is dirty, throw it out and buy a new one? You'll face a whole new set of problems now with your new plan and there won't be too many places left to run to.

Many folks here will not want to turn their backs on the following they worked incredibly hard to earn and you seem to think a vlogger can do that and then expect donations? Yeah, good luck with that one.

Everyone can go there and start from scratch to enjoy a service that sounds like it's going to be just like all the others in existence today, offering nothing new or innovative. That doesn't sound like a disruptive technology I'd be interested in. It sounds like everything else. These vloggers would be better off now receiving tips and subscriptions on Youtube, because that's what they do there.

If you're planning on reinventing the wheel, you don't just build a wheel and call it a whool instead.

This platform has been working on solutions since day one. They know it's not perfect but they certainly don't want it to remain imperfect forever. Some trial, some errors and a shitload of patience is needed and that's something a lot of people here can handle, which is why we don't see them running away with their tails in between their legs.

I feel used, and I don't like it. We produce content, make sacrifices, build up a fan base, people who stick around, they're here to explore, they see something like Dlive, become fans of new users there. As a content producer on Steemit, that's one of the greatest things I as well as many others do for you folks and we're all facing the same struggles yet sticking around.

Have a nice day.

Agreed and I wouldn't really trust a whool either, haha, and RIP Ddead too.

I don't get it, doesn't HF20 solve the sign-up problem and SMTs the whale issue you mentioned? Anyway, I'm glad you announced this before Sep. 25th. I was planning to go DLive exclusive then 'cause of fast sign-ups but I guess that won't happen now. I'll just move on to something else. The great thing about Steem is going somewhere else will bring your followers with you, no need to start over. ;)

SMTs are a ways away but to break it down from my understanding, smts doesn't solve the reward pool being rapped continuously by a "dedicated" and "invested " few, it only gives people the ability to issue their own tokens, which is nothing more than a glorified way of ignoring the problem caused by the lack of moderation by fracturing people into little "moderated" groups.

Yes you can issue your own tokens, that's not "only", that's a huge difference. Steem will continue to be payed out like it is now, plus it will also be part of the SMT rewards. Like with @steemhunt, you can earn both HUNT tokens and Steem with your upvotes. Now if DLive went with an SMT and did 1 person = 1 vote token payouts without 7 day limits, it would solve a lot. And steemit.com is losing its firm dominance on the Steem ecosystem. It isn't far fetched at all, you're going to see a new dominant dapp here in the near future. Now if DLive was on top with millions of users all upvoting their favorite streamers/video creators, everyone getting payed both in DLive tokens and Steem, it would make a big impact on Steem's distribution itself. 'Cause the problem is big accounts circle voting right now and not enough small accounts voting to make a difference. DLive with its account based voting as the main way to earn would consequently change the game for Steem as well in the background.

That's my understanding of SMTs anyway. :P

So in summation it doesn't solve the problem at all, it only fractures the value among a MiLLiOnS aCcOuNtS worth of shitcoins.

It does solve the problem, it won't be easy to rape the Steem reward pool that way when you have masses essentially fighting against abusive Steem voting. The kicker is people probably will have no idea they're making life hard for the bad actors. They're just trying get their SMTs.

Exactly why will the masses waste their voting power, explain that to me.

'Cause you're using it in the background as you're voting to get your SMTs. You're getting your SMT token, plus some Steem as a bonus. The two systems work in parallel. Like with @steemhunt, you get your HUNT tokens and some Steem for your upvotes. However Steem isn't the motivator for upvoting, HUNT tokens are.

You're using your voting power to downvote abuse, and why will anyone waste their VP, in the background or not, if you are given 2x the power or not..

What's the motivator for downvoting?

There is no reason why an SMT could not become hugely valuable if the app(s) it was created for became hugely popular. It's possible to design the distribution of an SMT in any desired manner from the outset. Every one of the problems mentioned by the DLive team could've been solved by the SMT protocol - except for bandwidth, of course, the ownership of which will be quite concentrated into whale hands for quite some time.

Exactly. The way Steem is payed out won't change, but SMTs can change the distribution. You earn Steem alongside SMTs. So if the masses started using any dapp using SMTs as its main payout method, those same people voting would unconsciously make Steem more evenly distributed. Making the potential whale circle jerking using just Steem harder and harder. A few whales can't offset a flood of minnows fighting against them.

Kind of a bad PR goodbye post... you really did kind of throw Steem under the bus with the way you wrote the post not just your decision.

IN OTHER NEWS
I guess it was good we focused on getting Dtube/Youtube videos playing straight from the feed.
Dlive never did have a way for us to easily stream the content... they were more interested getting people over to their site.

MOVING FROM HANDOUT TO HANDOUT??
How come you had that much delegation and you couldn't even make it work??
What makes you think the next handout from the next blockchain is gonna fix your business plan?

Also may i add @steempeak has done everything without any delegation so far.

Go steempeak!

Lovin' SteemPeak btw, stay golden.

steempeak is a prime example of "doing it right".

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I won't speculate about whether this was your plan right from the start or not since it wouldn't change a thing, but I want to let you know that you just personally failed on a high scale. Being the crypto markets still a very small world, your newly acquired image of having exploited the Steem network in such way, won't help you much in terms of starting out new business agreements. Who may want to trust someone like you in the future?

The fact that the Business Developer from Steemit, Inc just commented a Nooo! here, makes me think if you haven't even informed the ones that provided you with so much loyalty and support, before setting up this blog post. That'd be not only unprofessional but also a clear zero with regards to business ethics. I hope I am wrong about this.

Now I have a question for you which is a friendly recommendation at the very same time:

Can you please elaborate on what is going to happen with our content being stored on your website? You may know that nobody of us gave you permission to use that content in a different way than being related to the Steem network. You may not want to receive thousands of take down notices from lawyers from all over the world, when you start out your new business, do you...?

You may deeply regret all this one day, and I guess you can already feel that today.

EDIT: Abstract from your Terms of Services:

9 (b) Our Content Ownership. Company does not claim any ownership rights in any User Content and nothing in this Agreement will be deemed to restrict any rights that you may have to use and exploit your User Content.