my posts dont show up on feeds because im getting flagged by bots instantly
it is pointless for me to post on this account. when I hit the create button it takes me to the new thread but my post doesnt even show up because it is instantly flagged. basically they have censored me to where only people that are already following me will know about my posts.
guess maybe ill try again in a couple days but this is bullshit
same flaggots still flaggin.
EDIT:
I repeat here: the pending payout shows in the post is not yours, yet.
You need to understand how Steem works. Steem is like a company, owned by stake holders. Every day, there is a fixed amount of STEEM token be created, to be distributed to authors and curators. The creation of new tokens effectively dilutes holdings of all stake holders, it's a wealth redistribution. The stake holders decide how to distribute that amount of tokens, by voting. Before payout, every vote is a proposal. Someone proposed that you can have higher pay doesn't mean that amount is a donation to you, because the one didn't take out money from her/his own pocket, instead, she/he was trying to take money from the public pool. Same logic, one down voting you doesn't mean stealing from you. The beggar's donation cup analogy is not the same case. When you get more form the public pool, it means others will get less, and vice versa. Every stake holder has a say about the distribution of the public pool, by voting. Bigger stake holders have more weight in the decision making process, it's capitalism.
Since I'm not a native English speaker, perhaps I didn't make it as clear. If you still don't understand, I hope someone with better English skills can help.
By the way I'll upvote this reply to get better visibility.
//Edit:
more discussion can be found here: https://github.com/steemit/steemit.com/issues/215 .
The process is also described in the white paper: https://steem.io/SteemWhitePaper.pdf .
upvoting your own comments to get pay out. lol
its a racket and a scam if that is the way it works. you basically just said that whales hve the right to kill pay outs so they can get the pay outs cause no one can steal them with a flag as they dont have enough power to effect it.
still doesn't change the ceorship or the fact that you don't have the right to tell others what they can and cant vote on, your cancling out votes is doing just that.
whatever though, i have another stalker whale that flag my posts while upoting his own comments to get a pay out. funny
taking the pay out from one person for distribution to the public pool according to what you think deserves it sounds like scocialism not capitalism.
You might have to live with it @skeptic. You are edgy, you're hip! You skirt the borderlines. Wear your flags with pride, as long as you are still in the positives.
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I will agree that the auto-flagging is lame though. At least when I flag, I do it by hand.
i got a question for u. if what abit says is true above this comment then........
by flagging a post it adds the pay out to the pool of steem made that day, if people cant flag the whales and remove their pay outs aren't they only doing it so they get more as a pay out? if they are getting the pay out because it goes back into the pool for them to get oisnt that stealing but instead of keeping it all they are sharing it amongst the whales that cant have their pay outs removed because they have to much steem power?
taking money from one person to spread amongst another group sounds like theft to me if they know the money goes back to their comments and posts they upvote and get paid out on.
am i wrong that the money goes back into the same pool the whales get paid out from?
couldn't they basically go around and flag everyone that isn't part of their group to keep all the money to them selfs and to make sure no one rises up in steem power to do it back to them? starting to seem rigged to me.
:/
ned seems to be ignoring my reply to him. i was actually hoping for input but im now thinking he only left the comments as a snarky haha.
:/
It is true that all posts and comments are rewarded from the same daily pool. You can see this pool if you look at steemd.com under "total_reward_fund_steem" which today is about 62,216.261 STEEM. or about 10203 SBD (give or take). One interesting consequence of this is that if everyone didn't vote that day, but then one minnow voted for a post. That post would receive the entire 10203 dollars!
If a whale votes on a post and gives it 100$, that value is sucked from all the other posts, and you can see that sometimes, when a post of yours is worth 3.79 and then a few minutes later, it's 3.73 (and the votes didn't change).
So if a whale flags a post from 20 to 0, is that stealing? That 20 is freed up and becomes available to rest of the posters (whale or otherwise) of course the whales have the most power to give themselves that pool.
but..but..this is something you really need to understand. Where does that 10000$ pool come from in the first place? Money doesn't get created from nothing, you know that. The daily pool sucks value from all holders of Steem , through the inflation tax. I have about 60000 steem in my account, if I have a lazy day, and do nothing here (which does happen), time still passes, and posters get rewarded with steem and SDB (which gets turned into more steem) some of that value comes from my savings. It comes from the savings of all holders of Steem. And who holds the most Steem? The whales of course.
So is it not fair, that the whales, who have the most value to lose each day from the inflation tax, should have the most power to determine who benefits from their loses?
I hope that helps.
edit: I was only talking about money still in the reward pool. Once it's paid to you, no one can take it.
the money is created by the 100% inflaton steem has on it.
whales flagging other posts and putting the pay out in the pool ups their pay outs though right? is that not stealing from one person so they get paid out some of the cash that is stolen? also if whales cant have their pay outs removed because of the amount of steempower they have wouldn't it be safe to say it is set up so the rich can remove pay outs to add to their pay outs but not the other way around?
steemit is 100% inflation so the amount of steempower has nothing to do wih the rate of inflation. they are removing others pay outs so the reward pool they get to take from has more in it.
can anyone remove whale pay outs to go back into the pool to pay out minnows or is it set up so only whales can abuse others to make sure they get all the pool money amongst friends?
sounding like a pool of candy with the whales only letting everyone else have one piece so they can take thousand each.
also you know the whales are going to try to benefit from it as much as they can so of corse they would steal from the poor to stay richbecause iof they don't it sounds like a bunch of peole would be getting paid out more and the whales would be getting paid out less if it wasent for the theft of payouts going back into the pool that i guess only whales can take from or they deciede not to flag you and let you take a little.
:/
is it possible to take whale pay out and put them back into the pool for everyone else like they do to us? or is it just abuse of power and people looking away as they would rather take the blue pill and pretend it never happened?
if it cant be done back to the whales its rigged and not capitalism like claimed more like socialism. taking from one person to spread amongst others that the whales take advantage of and take them selfs.
:(
Ok, let's try a really simple example. Lets say that Steemit has 100% inflation.
day A = 1 steem is worth 1 dollar
Mr. Minnow has 5 steem = 5 dollars
Mr. Whale has 50000 steem = 50000 dollars
then 100% inflation occurs
on Day B = 1 steem is worth 0.5 dollars
Mr. Minnow has 5 steem = 2.5 dollars
Mr. Whale has 50000 steem = 25000 dollars
Minnow lost 2.5 dollars
Whale lost 25000 dollars
The whale has the most to lose.
Steemit is capitalism at it's finest. No one is forcing you to be here. You are here at Steemit of your own free will, because you believe it will benefit you somehow, either with money, or entertainment, or learning, or whatever.
Otherwise, maybe you are a masochist?
LOL. Very likely.
but they all lost the same %
its not like whales lost more % wise.
are you saying the poor sould lose more of a % then the rich because the rich have more money? isn't that like saying tax the poor and let the rich pay almost nothing in taxts because 5% of 1million is more money then 90% of 50?
Thanks for telling me to quit steemit sence the whales don't seem to want to let anyone profit but them selfs or people that join in on the cirlcle jerk.
:(
shitty but ok
:/
The incentives are aligned somehow. If everyone contribute, make the cake bigger, at the end of the day, although one's % of stake doesn't change, or even reduced a little, she will still be richer. If everyone votes on themselves only, the platform will die without doubt, it's not of the interest of whales.
You may have interest in this post: https://steemit.com/steemit/@pollux.one/steem-anarchy-and-the-zero-sum-game
By the way, you may get an idea that a whale in this platform doesn't have to be richer than a minnow in reality. A whale may have only 100K$ but all invested into the platform, a minnow may have 1M$ but only invested 100$ to the platform, another person may own tens of dolphin accounts which in total have more shares than a whale, yet another minnow may have millions of STEEM sit in an exchange. So give more to smaller holders doesn't always mean give more to poorer people. Same % to gain or lose is fair.
Nobody asks you to leave if you contribute more than harm. However, value is subjective, so contributing or harming can't be precisely defined.
I never made that claim.
that is the point I was making. that they were the same % of loss or gain no matter what steem amount was so it was pointless to use that as a reason as to why "whales are losing more then minnows" you basically just repeted the same argument I was making on why everyone is losing the same amount from inflation. it is not a reason to give more power to the whales, the claim was whales need to have more power because they are losing more money fm inflation then the minnows. my argument was we are losing the same amount % wise so it is null and void. my point of the taxes was to show how they were playing that numbers game trying to say that 50% across the board wasent even because 50% of 1mill is more then 50% of 5thousand.
when im not dealing with people trying to censor me I actually make a lot of original content and am usually just having fun with my friends on here being social. When people are trying to flag me is when I go back to defence mode. how long have I not been defending myself from the attacks? how long have I still been getting flagged? it does not matter what I post now as the faggots will make up any reason they can think of to flag me.
lke I said when im not getting shit on im actually a large part of steemit according to others.
people need to use the fucking mute button and stop trying to censor people for others. Jus think, im super mellow on the shitlord level. if steemit gets big what u gona do? ban 10%-50% of the world? sounds like another twitter but anyone can ban you not only the company.
i cant even get my posts up on the threads because my post is flagged before the page can load. so i am being denied new followers and stuff. people need to learn to use the mute button because this whole ordeal is retarded. they have no right to silence me from others that want to hear me. they only have the right to mute me for them self not to mute me from others.
i just wish something would be done to fix steemit as i don't think most people that go through this shit fight back as much as i do. most people just leave and i don't blame them. the site is only going to continue to die as this continues and nothing is done about it out of fear of pissing off a whale and becoming the next victim.
I am not the only one dealing with this eather as a couple people have tried to claim.
pro censorship steemit is how it comes off to me at this point.
skeptic boi what's good -- u getting mad hate?
For a reason. @ned just FYI it's started here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@skeptic/how-i-now-see-steemit
The hate I can deal with, its the censorship and theft of pay outs that I am having trouble with.
theft of pay??
kicking someones donation cup down the drain because you don't think the person that got the donations from another person deserve it. if it was bot abuse or something like that I could understand but to do it just because you don't agree with something someone posts is wrong imo. I might not agree with a sign someone is holding but it does not give me the right to burn the donations other people gave them.
more then anything its the censorship thats annoying me.
they are obviously going after me as it does not matter what i post it will get flagged instantly.
(Credits to @neoxian)
lol
dodging my response about the same subject? funny
so till the money is in the bums pocket it is ok to kick down the drain because it hasent been paid out?
same thing as pay out time, ill its in his pocket its fair game then right?
To be fair, downvoting is not stealing.
to be fair its not a down vote its a flag.
I don't think they have a word for kicking a beggars donation cup down the drain so theft is the closest I could come up with. if you have the correct word for destroying someones pay out I would love to hear it as im tired of people saying its not theft because they don't get the money. so maybe having my pay out destroyed if not stolen? like I said its the same as kicking a persons donation cup into the gutter because you don't think that person deserves the money someone else donated to them.
call it what you want its still wrong.
imo atleast.
You might call it vandalism. Destruction of someone else's property. But claiming the money the system hasn't paid you yet is yours is arguable.
just like claiming that the donation cup wasent in the beggars pocket so there for it has not been paid out yet and is ok to kick down the drain?
if the person that did the upvote unvoted that would be one thing but we are talking about a third party to the volinatary donation coming and trying to say that someone cant donate that to this person for any reason.
just because you have to sit with the donation cup on the street for 24 hours till you can pick it up does not mean that the money in it is not yours and that it is ok for someone to kick it down the drain.
you cant call it
if you are also claiming that the money isn't yours till pay out.
like ripping a bill out of someones hand as they are handing it to a beggar "he didn't receive pay out so its ok"
how about the santa guy that rings the bell for donations. the people he is working for do not get that money till he returns to the office with the red bucket. is it then ok to burn up that money and claim it wasent actually theirs because they have not received pay out yet?
idk it is arguable but on the level of "the money wasentin his poscket yet so its not really his and there for is ok to destroy".
:/
Coins in a beggar's cup is paid out, so it's owned by him/her. Pending payouts showing in a post is not owned by anyone. Before payout, anyone has a say about how much the payout should be. It's the rule.
yeah but till that bum picks up that cup i can still kick it down the drain. so till its in his pocket its not been paid out right? there for morally ok to destroy right?
Again it comes dwn to you thinking you have the right to deciede if the person reciving the donations deserves it. if someone else donated it you have no right to say they cant have it.
i would understand if it was because bot upvote abuse or something like that but this is going on because someone doesn't like the sign the beggar is holding.
so, till that bum picks up that cup and puts the money in his pocket is it right or wrong to kick the donations down the drain? if its not in his pocket (paid out yet) does it then make it ok?
Posting this from a 4 year old laptop on the wifi from a homeless dropin center, sitting on the street in the morning waiting for a warm place to sit and have some food and coffee, I am someone who actually knows about begging for real in real life, and I could show you some 4 month old chatter between me and the big @bs, that calling people with big stakes in Steem names and making unfounded accusations or just telling them they are a rude cunt, you can do it, but don't complain when they send back ICBMs after your little cloud of mosquitoes.
Looking through your posts, just as a little tip, use capital letters break up paragraphs... but do I really need to say this? Even the illustrious @shla-rafia makes some effort, in not his own native language, to make his posts vote-worthy.
You have clearly see that you have someone flagging every post you make, by the way. You should be talking to them.
my posts don't have problems with the upvotes, they have problems with the flags.
accrding to my followers that upvote and enjoy my posts or the people that think they have the right to flag stuff because they don't like it? there is a mute button for a reason.
sad to me that you think spelling and gramer are what make posts "vote-worthy" over the content of the post.
cheers and thanks for the input, ill try not to get mad when people burn my post so people cant see it and steal all the money from it. truth is they have me targeted so it does not matter what i do as it will be flagged.
you will see as even this comment will get flagged.
@abit is call forfeiting
I think I'm on the bots list. Is there a site administrator we can contact the make home aware of what's going on?
Please read the white paper.
Is there something spasific your trying to bring to our attention
No administrator here. People who use it mange it.
they know, its the same people that were flagging me last week. they will just try to come up with another way to hide the problem.
:/
The same thing is happening to me. By the same bot. @iflagtrash
been flagging me about 2 weeks now.
its the fucker that was bot flagging me before taken to 0. als same person that ran asshole. the night they tryied to hid the asshole problem the person finally got rid of me. they then dumped mad money into iflag trash and started powering down on asshole.
it is a personal thin as it is only going afte certain people. same person owns blacklist too I think.
this shit sux and the people in charge of the site seem not to care, or they are turning a blind eye to it at least.
pro censorship steemit.
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It's been going on for me for about the same time. Although a few months ago @iflagtrash flagged me abunch of time. Then stopped. But it has been on almost every post for at least two weeks for me to. It's instant. Within a few seconds of posting.
yeah mine is instant too. im getting sick of it.
I wish something would be done about it.
Your replies are also getting flagged. There has to be a way of stopping this injustice. It really does take a piece of work to behave this way. At this point looks like we can't do much. But there has to be a curator administrator or someone responsible for the site we can reach out to
Looks like my replies are also getting flagged
@ned hit me up but hasent responded to me yet. i really doubt there is anything he can do. might even be for it idk yet.
Its really not a big deal as i kind of alreay gave up on steemit but the shock of seeing that people raised my rep from below to 48 got me excited. shoulda known it would be back to the same.
i hate censorship and coming hee originally was only because it was suposta be freespeech/anticensorship.
i only see it getting worse to.
:/
This site was recommended from a YouTuber who said free speech wasn't being censored here. You tube started the hero's campaign for SJW to limit free speed on the site. I can see that the liberal fascist movement is far reaching. I'm going to continue steeming for now but steemit is starting to lose it luster.
yeah everyone is heading to minds/sealion.club and has been sence the youtube heroes. when the twitter twexit was going on i came here with thousands of people. i wouldn't be surprised if im the only person from twexit here now.
lol
might have been better if steemit never said it was freespeech anticensorship. would look like less of a lie.
im thinking it might have been the same youtubers i heard talking bout this place. i rarle see them post anymore and when i do they get flagged to shit or nothing in votes because they aren't on the bot upvote list. for the amount of people they brought to this site they sure getting treated like crap now.
all around shitty.
I've been flagged by several marxit SJWs on Steemit so far. The latest is junoberries.
We can still read your posts. It's not censored. We just have to click the show button.
that is only because it has been upvoted. when i make theposts i cant even see them in the threads. have to wait till they get upvoted by followers before they can be seen by other people.
when they are freshly made they are invisible.
if you don't believe me i can show you by making a new post.
just let me know and ill make a test post to shw they don't show up in the threads until upvoted by followers as they are the only ones that can see it in their thread of people they follow. but as for the new thread or any of the tags, no show till upvoted.
But if I got your your account page, I can still choose to see your posts...
yeah but how many peoples page you go to that your not following without seeing a post from them? if i have never seen a person post i would have no way to know they exist. only way would be if someone you know was following that person and resteemed something.otherwise they will stay unknown.
:/
the posts still don't show up on the threads and it is censoring them from new followers.
@skeptic ahh now I see what you're talking about. Yes the weight of the downvotes are causing this. I think we should still be able to see your post but hidden if downvoted by whales. Seems something that could use a change.
As far as solving it right now, just don't do what you been doing to get flagged...It's a "social" site with money involved. Can't just run around doing what you like in social crowd. Kind of have to socialize with the community, and that includes asshole whales and flaggers. It's something we all have to deal with atm.
i was getting flagged for 2 days straight before i did anything about it. i stopped after they killed my rep to zero and now that imback because people upvoted me when i was gone they are still going at it. how long is someone suposta take getting gang raped by whales before it is ok to std up for ones self without getting more hate for not wanting to get constantly rape?
also this is a new thing they must have added when they changed the flag counter to dots. they are trying to hide the problem not fix it or thats how it feels to me.
i even got a nice message from ned that seems like he is rubbing my face in the flagging.
was told i should quit too after learning that when pay out is removed by flagging it goes bck into the pool for whales to take from. and that inflation is the same % across the board but somehow that means whales are losing more. they are pushing quality of outcome not quality of opertunity.
i just want to be left alone from the people trying to censor me and go back to having un posting with my friends. anything i do on steemit had become a battle and basically all they say is deal with us raping you or leave so we can continue to do it to everyone else.
ugh it sux.
@skeptic, Lemme see what I can do. I do see you post a lot of content that degrades the platform but you do have the right to say your thoughts about your views but you have to understand, creating content like that will offend people and cause the flagging. We want Steemit to be a safe place for everyone and I hope you can agree that you haven't been helping making it a safe place for everyone.
I don't believe @ned was rubbing your face in flagging. I think he was trying to help and didn't understand what you meant.
If you are sincere in your intent is to socialize in the community and not continue to create degrading content that can cause harm to others, because it is not benefiting you either, then I'm sure the ones doing the flagging can come to an understanding. Their intent is not to censor you(because they can't, your content can be seen on the blockchain and is permanently there just not on steemit.com when downvoted). The platform is like a baby still, it's going to grow and mature. Things will change. For the time being, maybe try make a little change on your end and maybe you will see different results.
I will try my best to help you with this. I just need a little help from you as well.
@skeptic, maybe try using the nsfw tag if you are planning to continue to post the type of content you have been posting..
I go to peoples pages all the time even when I don't follow them. I look at new posts and see flagged content all the time. Just have to click on show and can see the content that was flagged.
i made it, it doesn't even show up for me on the new thread.
only on my main page
as i said if the flaggd content doesn't show up on the new page you will never have known of them.
im going to make a test post right now. check the new thread for it before it gets upvoted and you will not find it.
they have changed the setup so if something is flagged with enough steempower it disappears. give it like a min and ook for my test post. it will be invisible on the new thread.
Downvoted because I think the pending payout on this post was too much (~15$ before I downvote).
this is the shit im talking about.
fucking stalker only here to talk shit and downvote when i get donations.
FYI https://steemit.com/steemit/@sneak/xkcd-like-seinfeld-always-did-it-first-and-better
LOL
so nothing to do with censoring people by way of flag. go rally with the other people trying to shut down free speech out of ignorance.
they have a mute button but they don't want others to hear what I have to say. you don't have t listen to me but you don not have the right to make it so others cant if they want to.
whatever though, your dying site not mine anymore.
https://steemit.com/life/@iloveupvotes/new-age-weapons-and-the-minds-that-power-them-gridlock-s-o-s-chain-v1-list-1
https://steemit.com/life/@iloveupvotes/new-age-weapons-and-the-minds-that-power-them-gridlock-s-o-s-chain-v1-list-2