Bidder Beware: The Bid-Bot Blacklist Scam UPDATED 2-14-18steemCreated with Sketch.

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Bidder Beware: @buildawhale @upmyvote @ipromote @badcontent @themarkymark

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I did not, do not, and will not consent to any donations towards @themarkymark campaign against spam, I want a refund for services that were denied to me.

There is a movement here on Steemit for a reduction in spam or trash posts. Many feel like posting content that is too small, or does not bring value to the site, is stealing from the reward pool by abusing bid bots, and therefore must be blacklisted. There are multiple fake accounts out there being made, in order to post simple and easy content just to cash in. This could become a problem for the site, but at the same time this campaign can be used to take advantage of innocent people.

Bid bots can be used as a way to advertise your post, buying upvotes for SBD or Steem. It is a mutually beneficial relationship between the bid bot and the bidder, as both parties will possibly receive profit from the transaction; as long as the bids do not outweigh the bots voting power. In this way, people can post one line, one word posts, spend money to upvote them, and the cash out. Obviously this is abuse of the reward system and not the intended use of bid bots.

So the problem comes when these bid bots start enforcing a no refund policy on blacklisted authors. There are various service out there searching and blacklisting authors; the problem being, the author is usually not aware of being blacklisted. An author could possibly send a large amount of SBD or Steem to one of these bots and essentially be refused service, and refused a refund; the bid bot swindling the author. These bit bot owners will then take the money and transfer it to an alternate account, increasing their personal wealth by thousands of SBD.

How do they get away with it, when everything is 100% transparent? They are whales and they eat minnows. It doesn't matter if a minnow is wronged, since no one will see their posts. It doesn't matter if a spammer is conned, because the spammer creates low level content. This is ridiculous and immoral behavior. Stealing is wrong no matter what the intention is behind it.

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The blacklist enforcing bid bots do not advertise this fact, their master blacklist is not readily available to view and in fact, they are shown on bid bot tracker for automatically refunding invalid bids. Is a blacklisted authors bid not invalid? Little to no support is given to blacklisted authors, and their bids are usually claimed to be donations. Why would the most profitable bots not refund these bids? It is clearly dishonest and fraud, two qualities that these bid bots claim to be trying to remove from Steemit. Does the ends justify the means? Or does someone stand to profit from these fraudulent policies?

The main questions include: Why do these bots not have programming to refund blacklisted author bids? Campaigning against theft while committing theft is hypocrisy at it's best. If one has no time to be dealing with spam refund requests why are there no warnings in place and no information easily available? Why is the code not refined to deal with refunds for blacklist authors? Is the code designed that way?

In conclusion, here are some screen shots and a couple of links. Good luck out there and thanks for reading. Bidder Beware!

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Bidder Beware

Evil Bot Owner, Fruit Pretending to be a Vegetable, Confused Whale Thinks it's a Minnow

UPDATE 2-11-18
This character is now auto refunding Spam posts from Dmania. The question remains, will the money be refunded that was previously stolen?

UPDATE 2-11-18
There are many people who have been scammed out of their money. Check it out at Discordapp.com inside the buildawhale support channel. I have found at least five other authors who are asking for refunds but do not receive them.

https://www.fbi.gov/scams-and-safety/common-fraud-schemes/internet-fraud

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I honestly don’t care what happens to blacklisted folks. If they did something to get blacklisted, then they don’t belong on the platform.

I honestly don't care about your opinion.

you have just spent 35.2sbd to promote this post which at current price of 4.79 USD per sbd is £160.80 USD ! Your payout on this post is 11.03Steem which at current value of 4.27USD per steem is 47.09 USD.......

Therefore, you just lost a huge amount of money...

If you'd used the 35.2 sbd you wasted on self upvoting, you could have exchanged that directly for 38 Steem or Steempower...

What a muppet, and you call me a troll ???? Ive just saved you a fortune. thank me later ;-)

Thank you for your advice, you are correct. I spent it for visibility, not profit, just like you. I called you a troll because of your harsh language, I apologize if it was hurtful to you.

Sadly in my experience, its not working for visability either :-( but we all still try.
Apology accepted and I must also apologise for my clumsy and directness. I should learn to be gentler and more understanding.
Have a wonderful weekend :-)

It is a gamble that could pay off, hopefully. Good luck to you.

Thank you @nathen007 I hope you have a great weekend too!

It kind of seems pointless to use Bots if you want this platform to keep growing.

Bot for maintenance, information and telling you about Rewards is ok but when it comes to automatically voting for posts then the whole system becomes pointless.

They say the community supposed to control what is good content and what is bad content.

A bot will like whatever you tell it to like, who is really in control the community or the voting bots.

I agree to an extent, but that is something steemit needs to address. I am not against there being blacklists. It is their bot, they can refuse customers if they want, but stealing is wrong. To the same extent, if an author wants to spend their money to buy votes, then it is their decision, it is their investment in the platform to do with how they want.

That is crazy too Blacklist someone but not tell them but still allow them to keep on buying votes, without knowing that they won't be getting any votes because there on the Blacklist.

Yeah, and there is no master blacklist available, it is just updates to the blacklist, so if you want to find out you have to go through post after post after post.

People need to stop buying from the ones who add you to the blacklist with out notice. The no refund policy is very sketchy with a anonymous Blacklist.

haha.. So I was entering the death valley you mean he was one of them I don't have to mention it...so what should I do? I appreciate your help hope to get more advice on how to be fully aware of things in steemit...Thanks

Keep on keeping on.

Reblogged. Many people are unaware of these tactics and though I do not use these services, I must admit if that person refuses to refund then it is stealing from client's and that is no way of conducting business. Some think it is an everything goes policy in Steemit, from arrogance to plain rude behavior at those even daring to question their tactics.

Campaigning against theft while committing theft is hypocrisy at it's best. If one has no time to be dealing with spam refund requests why are there no warnings in place and no information easily available?

My question is would anyone conduct business like this outside of a computer world? I am sure lawsuits would rain.

On a different note, there are plenty of people abusing Steemit in so-called legitimate ways. Making thousands of dollar's and are so-called angels 'legitimatly,' helping the community.

Thank you sir, I appreciate your feedback and comments. I just want people to be aware of what's going on here.

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