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RE: @berniesanders pay me to post open buttocks on @haejin:-My apology to steemit
I forgive you and thank you for coming forth with the truth which always prevails! I admire your courage to come forward...thank you!
I also believe that what goes around, always comes around.
Please be aware, that I have made a permanent copy of your post in the event you are coerced to edit, alter or destroy this post. The original has been secured, just in case.
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[-]berniesanders (-17) · yesterday
Killing your main account is just the BEGINNING of what I'm going to do to you. . You didn't cover your tracks very well. Sleep with one eye open.
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This is the blockchain, right? That means that the post can be altered, but there will forever be a record of the original and the alterations.
There's an Edit button, though maybe there is a time limit to edit it. Still learning though.
You can't edit after it pays out.
You have one very powerful person voting for you, and from that one individual, you get the vast majority of your status and wealth here on Steem. You know that is what everybody is talking about...you know it. Yet, when the situation comes up, you always deflect...always. For once, can we just focus on the one issue that is central to everything else that is going on? Can we acknowledge the actions that started this whole war and that are still going on today? Can we not run away from it and finally, for once, just speak directly about that singular subject, like men? Please?
I just want to end this, and frankly, I'm very surprised that you don't.
Just wondering but why is the problem not deemed something that needs to be fixed with a code change rather than trying to, apparently ineffectively, police people using the same flaw/loophole that the people they're mad at are exploiting/utilising in the first place? The reason it might feel like such a difficult futile losing battle is because if your problem is you have bucket with a hole in it you don't expect to fix the leak by getting mad at the water.
Ie. The problem needs to be a blockchain based solution the same way bitcoin solved the need to trust people to not scam each other. In the same way, the way Steemit actually uses the votes needs to be significantly rethought. What Steemit decides what it considers quality and therefore rewards with higher payouts and greater visibility is based on an aspect that has absolutely nothing do with the quality or even the content of a post whatsoever. Obviously you can't be surprised when voting rewards and quality of someones content don't match when the very measure by which to decide how much a post gets rewarded is so very is so disconnected.
A post becomes LITERALLY "valuable" because of how high it's rewards are. This is the exact opposite of how you'd want it to work. How high it's rewards are should reflect the general consensus of what people think of it.
What I wonder is this, even if @haejin is upvoting himself with a lot of steem power is this really worse than someone who posts no original content, puts no thought into their posts, has no following or anyone that cares about their content, buying upvotes for them all? Is he really the example of the problem you want to use all these resources to going to war against? Because haejin's vote is still something that he ultimately paid for in terms of owning all that steem power.
Steemits rewards are generated through effectively POS mining and normally the POS rewards from your own coins are yours. If we saw the steemit rewards as effectively the steem we earned through POS mining, with steem we locked up as Steem Power, which we'd then be free to do what we wanted with it, it would dramatically change how we saw the whole matter. In this point of view everyone is grateful for people sharing and rewarding them and people aren't guilt tripped or similarly pushed into thinking they have to.
Honestly THIS the basis on which I want to see Steemit built, where you positively insensitive people to voluntarily share their POS rewards because it's more personally rewarding as well as more profitable than to keep it to yourself. The alternative is that the rewards your steem power generates is not your own and therefore to directly pay yourself those rewards is always seen as "stealing" from someone else and always needs to be put under close scrutiny to make sure people are being altruistic enough. That breeds distrust and the most destructive of emotions, resentment. Where you end up hating the people the more money (steem power) they have, but you still know you want their votes and pander to them through gritted teeth while resenting the feeling that you should even need to police them to make sure they don't steal what's rightfully everyone else's and which they deserve to have all that control over it.
You'd think by how many talk about this that those with steem power are just getting free money providing nothing. Yet you have to have all that steem in the first place and you have to have it all locked up and unable to use. It's clearly not accurate/fair to think about the rewards as being purely something that belongs to the "steemit reward pool" of which the user holding the steem power used to generate them holds no claim, as if the one who contributed all that steem played no part to play in it.
I'm confused at why @haejin specifically rather than all the posts that contain 100% 3rd party content, those that have no audience or put virtually no effort into it. I mean have you SEEN how much people get for posting MEME's?? You may think haejin's posts aren't good enough to justify such high rewards but I'm sorry it can hardly be a good example of taking advantage of vote bots that reward and litter Steemit with crap/plagiarised content. These are two separate aspects, the content itself and the way in which haejin is using the rewards. People keep carelessly talking about both as if they were the same point making for confusing mess for anyone trying to figure out what's going on. Somehow haejin has become some kind of poster child for something which he really isn't a good example of. It is regrettably doomed to backfire once people start to see the forest for the trees.
The main thing I want people to think about is to ask themselves exactly what it is they want. Just how good does the content have to be to justify upvoting yourself with such a powerful upvote? Because when people with really big followers get here and really can post any old crap and not have to buy any upvotes or upvote themselves and yet still see MASSIVE payout, and what then? You need to know what your own rules are. You need to ask yourself if that will be a big problem too. Because if it is then really you discovered that the real issue for you has really nothing whatsoever to do with self voting or vote bots since no votes or self voting need be used for you to have a big problem with it. Is someone who highly upvotes themselves NOT OK even if they objectively post quality content? What happens when Twitter-type platforms are built on Steemit where a platform which is designed for the least amount of effort can get thousands of even TENS of thousands of dollars? These are all very important questions Ive never seen anyone show any awareness of asking themselves, I just get this general vagueness that they just find it unfair.
What's so offputting about all this to people in and outside of Steemit is that it's difficult to understand the blockchain technicalities of what's going on along with trying to understand exactly what the point is with this vagueness and lack of clarity about it all. It's not clear what the rules are so it just makes people worried about using it. I mean, is buying votes considered bad? Will that get you flagged? Is self voting always bad no matter what?
If someone want to go about dealing with this in the most healthy and productive way for Steemit then they have to make sure their actions dont end up causing more of a problem for the future of the platform than the original problem they claimed they cared about.
Steemit will never be able to scale if it can't even figure this out rationally. Just imagine the political wars that will happen if people really start migrating over from places like YouTube and Reddit. At least with YouTube it's just one company deciding to censor you, whereas with Steemit a single powerful flag can totally wipe people out and Steemit has absolutely no way to deal with this for the same reason it has no way to deal with someone posting objectively crap content everyone agrees is crap receiving high rewards payouts. That's why I believe the problem with flagging to be a far worse problem.
It is a problem because it constitutes voting abuse since the major portion of the rewards come from an account that does not meet the "proof of brain" concept as outlined in the Steem documentation. In that same documentation, downvoting (negative voting) is described as a means to mitigate such abuse. It is a problem because it gives people ample cause to rightly downvote the article based on disagreement with rewards. @haejin doesn't like to get downvoted, so he employs fear tactics to discourage it. I would like to talk about resolutions so that he won't have to worry about being flagged so much.
I know it was a long post and I may well have added important parts of it in an edit you missed but I'm not sure what question you think you're answering.
I didn't just ask why it was a problem, I was asked why is the solution not being demanded at the code level. It is impossible for it to be truly solved unless you change the smart contract rules that govern Steemit. Unfortunately as far as I understand it you'd not be able to change enough to actually completely close the loophole even if you did, not without changing something fundamental.
Flagging will absolutely not work and can't possibly work. All you're doing is trying to push the water back in a leaking bucket. Well it's a losing battle that's why people are finding they're not getting anywhere. I really have no idea why anyone thought flagging would be any effective way to deal it.
The entire system of flagging is like the most basic possible placeholder one could have added, just so there's SOMETHING. It's one catch-all button. You can see people refer to flagging interchangeably with "down voting" which is quite telling knowing how people normally use up/down voting or like/disliking on places like Youtube and Reddit. Here since flagging is the only option people can use so they will use it to signify their disagreement as well as being the same button to press if someone uploaded child porn or death threats or to complain it was their content that was stolen. You only get one button and it all goes in the same flagging pot.
The entire reason this is a problem at all is that voting power is linked directly with post rewards, be that upvoting (give rewards) or flagging (take away rewards). It has nothing whatsoever do with the content it has nothing whatsoever to do with how many people upvote the content. Now of course in theory we HOPE that good/popular content will eventually coincidentally also get voted on by those with significantly powerful up votes. But the fact that hundreds of people can be overruled by or made totally insignificant against a single powerful upvote, means that the very foundation of which Steemit functions works in a way that creating content people enjoy, find valuable and quality is completely disconnected from the reward pool.
Why do people make so many lame posts? Why do people make so many posts which you can see they put the bare minimum amount of effort into it that they think they can get away with? Because you're insentivised to do that! Because you know you can buy an upvote and the role you post plays in the game is just a means to an end. The appropriate attitude to foster is one where you need a certain amount of consensus that has nothing to do with voting power so that if you put no effort in you can't get rewarded like that. The attitude should be one where you are always thinking about what value your post could bring to other people, because you need them to be rewarded. Currently we have a system where the power of the vote is what matters, where that vote doesn't need to come from a person that values your content and which you can even buy.
The upvote value does not indicate quality anymore than someone with a powerful flag on a post means there's anything wrong with the content whatsoever. All flagging is doing is highlighting the other side of this serious flaw within the the system.
The rewards need to be connected to something which have some direct relationship with the value people find it's contents. So long as you can literally make a post valuable by sticking money to it then you'll never get what you really want, which is undoubtedly what the original intention of Steemit was - That the monetary rewards a post generates actually represents the value people find it to have and so if you failed to grab anyones attention you'd therefore not get rewarded for it
Edited to add: Holy shit, dude. Do you realize you edited these two posts 61 times? How's anybody supposed to have a conversation if you keep going back and changing what you said?
LOL, ya think?
I agree with most of what you are saying, but the fact of the matter is that changes to the blockchain will take a long time to incorporate. I believe we (Haegin supporters and Haejin detractors) have the means to settle this right now, at our levels. We have made significant progress these last couple of days, and I feel that we can continue to build on that progress, if only we can stop ourselves from getting side-tracked.
I'm not totally convinced that a change to the smart contract is absolutely necessary. Changes to the trending algorithms can be made at the site level. There are a number of things which could be done at that level such as
All in all, I think have a lot more options than most of us realize.
They don't give a damn, thereby this network, clumsy as such, is turning more and more into a ghost town. Why would I even contradict anyone when that will reduce my influence to zero, while I can have an interesting conversation anywhere, at minds.com or Google and even Facebook ? And earning money is only possible with content for desperate people (like crypto junkies), or with the help of whales - thereby the one forte steemit is supposed to have turns out to be a real time-waster.
Im fairly neutral in this whole thing.
Could you point out how the account does not meet the Proof of Brain criteria - Im honestly curious, if not no prob, I can look at it closer later when I get some time, thanks!
You are correct... steemit the way it is isn't worth investing time into, so creators mostly leave after a few weeks, I know a few others and I am a leisurely one myself.
There are newer networks where pundits haven't yet established themselves... a few creators stay here for whatever reason and people like haejin are successful because they sell content that others think they really need, or that will earn them money.
You know the principle "only sell to desperate customers" ?
So he has a great advantage there over others here because he's pretty prolific, obviously.
So haejin developed into the no1 goto address if you are looking for a positive market outlook, and that is what people always want...
As to the quality of his content, you can get the same or better on youtube, in any case you should be proficient at TA yourself after watching haejin AND others for a few months... but some will never be, and they need haejin, and haejin is obviously more successful on steemit than off steemit, so he will be a permanent phenomenon here.
In conclusion, steemit will either change for the better or stay the same, I see it as a tool to use - I tested it out and will create some content here, insofar as steemit is technically better at a few things than other networks, and worse at others, to share on those networks rather than here.
Sharing on steemit with neither desperate-customer content nor whale help seems to be a waste of time, and as a social network steemit is rather a ghost town anyway.
saw this coming a while ago https://steemit.com/moderation/@snowflake/the-last-missing-piece-of-the-steem-puzzle
I like boobs
Wow you have no idea about the blockchain do you... Everyone can go back and read earlier versions of a post, easily...
As well, anyone with an ounce of common sense would know this isn't true simply because Bernie wold just make an account through anon steem and post the pictures himself... Don't be so fucking obtuse haejin,you claim to be smart yet you are probably the biggest fucking dumbass of them all.
hehe.
If I could be bothered to I'd love to see how long I could get away with posting offensive stupid junk in ever single comment and maybe then whole string of amusing edits eventually landing on the final innocuous normal sounding comment, before someone happened to check. After all most of the time unless you have a reason to no one would bother to look.
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Aw c'mon flag really? It was obviously a joke.
I know but I wanted to :P, my upvote should have made up for any potential damage caused by my flag though I don't remember how much I flagged with.
lol thanks i will upvote you with the small amount i have till smartsteem undelegates which apparently screws you for a week
Good evening friends, I know that you are someone very busy and despite all the controversy that you do not harm the community and the use of your vote is your problem. But I'm insisting that I need a little help to start a project that is based on giving an opportunity to all those publications that are being undervalued with a small contribution as a (Upvote, reSteem or any type of donation would be helping this project to be consolidate) if you want to know more visit my post and you can find more information in my last post. I know that you.
wow, you forgave him just like that? it was really nice and sweet of you to. Never seen such before
eh, he forgive me and make this post be see after berniesernder make not be seen
@haejin, please respond to the posts linked in this comment. They are directed at you but you muted the account:
@haejin, you may think that we are all stupid here. By supporting that fake story above, you've just shot yourself in the foot. Do you know why?
That story is a complete fake story. You know @berniesanders can't even do something terrible like this - it's so lame! My Grandma won't even do it either.
If he wanna do it, he'll set up anon accounts and do it himself - get it?
We now know you either paid @steemcog to make this post or he's one of ur account which you cleverly set up to do something like this later, or he's somebody looking for attention. But I can vividly see that this emanated from you.
And oh!! You're still paying bid bots to Upvote this post and you resteemed it too - the lines are still connecting.
The whole not knowing how to write correct English joke also gave it away. People who are not fluent in English don't use big grammar u numbskull.
Also, this slander will never go unpunished. It won't and just know that this will keep giving u negative attention.
In other news, when will you stop with your 10 posts per day as that is the major thing we should be talking about?
Bonus : you've just showed that you don't know anything about the blockchain. Hahahahahaha, we'll laugh to that later.
I believe this story. And bernie has a real psychological problem, he is a narcissic pervert. He began the flag war and complains about haejin defending himself ... he just lie and invert the role.
Seems like you need some Coaching From Master @Haejin
@enolifetrades - Haejin better think about expanding to 15 posts a day throughout the next bull run.
He posts what 26,000 readers request.
There isn't a single one of us that woudln't like to see 50 posts a day if he could.
It's informative. It's thorough. It's easy to digest.
Case.
Closed.
you go aaway, me expoce your friend
Think. You need to do many posts t promote shitcoins ;)
Excactly, @haejin...
What goes around, always comes around.
You seem to have a delusion of your innocence for gaming the system to make yourself rich and herd an army of brainwashed "fans", and a whale (who may even be your for all we know), that unfortunately validate your existence here. It's a false security blanket. Seeing your TA series every day makes me sick to my stomach, and not because of any jealousy. If I felt you deserved even 25% of it, I'd be happy for you. You seem to have the white knight mindset, but have clearly let that misconstrue your judgment and ethics.
Thankyou @haejin. They flag me but me am strong. I am not chnage this one. Thankyou