The Curious Case Of The Destitute YouTubers

in #steemit8 years ago

I joined YouTube in 2007 and started posting content on there in 2008.  At the time the partner program didn't exist where you could get a revenue share from the advertising.  People started building sizable followings but the only people making anything were people indirectly pushing traffic from YouTube to their own website or selling apparel that went along with what they were doing.  

That is the way I was approaching the platform.  I was using it to sell Track & Field related stuff.  I got a little more creative and was doing some comedy related stuff on there.  The audience wasn't big enough and I got really burnt out putting in a ton of work and then seeing other people get a ton of views off things that didn't take near as much work.  They weren't making any money but I was still upset about it.  Going throught that experience has actually helped me keep a more level head on Steemit.  This isn't my first rodeo.  

The Frustration

South Park even did a episode about the people who were YouTube famous and making fun of the fact that there was no monitization for their Internet fame at the time.  

We could all see what was happening.  The clear path was that YouTube / Internet video was going to kill the television star just like the television star killed the radio star.  

The question was how not to go broke trying to build a huge Internet following.  

The ones that seemed to build large followings seemed to have help along the way or a blatant disregard for profitablity for several years.  Some were being subsidized by their parents or loved ones and others were helped along by YouTube themselves.  If you remember Fred he was given that username and was propelled into the limelight.  Fred can't be considered destitute.  He made out really well on his YouTube experience.  His clothes were in Hot Topic and he was in several movies.  He ultimately sold his YouTube channel for big bucks.  

At the time I noticed a lot of jealousy toward Fred from a lot of other YouTubers.  He was the first to reach 1,000,000 subscribers.  The partner program still wasn't in place yet for the masses.  I kept applying in 2009 and 2010 but got rejected.  I was so pissed off.  It wasn't until around late 2011 to early 2012 when I was able to get into the YouTube Partner program.  

Before that happened YouTube really lost a lot of great content creators in my mind.  One of my favorite YouTubers ended up basically quitting.  It was mainly circumstancial.  He lived in Southern California and had a family so there were so many presures on him to spend his time on something that would make him money.  His name was "Nicky Nik." The movie he made was called "We Gotta Get Buscemi."  

I met him in 2010 out in Los Angeles at a film festival showing he entered.  He was basically saying how him and everyone else trying to do what he was doing was broke as a joke.  He has 24,000 subscribers at the time which was quite a bit.  

Through all the YouTube purges and years of not posting he now has 16,000 subscribers.  It was sad to not see him continue to make content but the reality was he couldn't pay the bills doing that.  I saw a lot of others quit YouTube for years.  What was once their hobby of making content became extremely hard work for little to no pay.  

Another YouTuber I really liked at the time was ForFun808.  Aron or "Aron with one A" as he would say had a great following and was making his videos out in Hawaii.  He became extremely frustrated with YouTube and took some time off.  When he came back his videos weren't getting near the views they used to when he would first upload and also there were issues where his videos would get blocked from monitization.  This would happen to me around the time he quit as well.  It was for no reason which was really frustrating.  It still continues to happen once in awhile.  Litterally I will just be talking to the camera and it will not let me monitize it.  

Aron got so frustrated with his he deleted his YouTube account and dissapeared.  His following was strong enough that some of his fans actually uploaded some of his old videos which is where I got this screenshot.  He became another destitute YouTube casualty.  

Expected YouTube Payouts

A lot of you who have been following my blog know that I make money on YouTube.  Some from Adsense payouts and a larger chunk off of affiliate programs.  Most of the affiliate links are deployed under YouTube videos and in annotations on YouTube. Here is a screenshot from one of my business accounts from a few months ago showing some of the payouts.  

 I have studied Adsense payouts in a lot of depth and for all practical purposes most channels will equate to $1 / 1000 views.  The good thing is that can work for you 24/7 365 for years.  You have a long duration life cycle with YouTube.  I have one channel that pays out $2 / 1000 views but is pretty niche.  

You have to pick and chose your battles on YouTube.  

I never blogged about mining crypto until getting on Steemit because I knew it would be a waste of my time for the most part.  It is too niche and geeky at this point.  I was seeing the amount of views that Bits Be Trippin' was getting and knew that I couldn't spend the time to do the level of production they were doing.  They payouts just wouldn't be worth it unless you were getting all free equipment and were getting to keep the ad revenue and the coins you mined.  Once GPU mining ended up unprofitable for anyone with power cost over $0.03 / kwh even they stopped making videos.  It was the right choice not to make videos for that.  

Prank / Comedy Channels:  $0.70 / 1000 views if you are lucky.

Makeup Tutorial Channels: $0.90 - $1.10 / 1000 views

Fitness Channels: $0.80 / 1000 views

Toy Unboxing Channels: $1.30 / 1000 views (This works best if you already have a kid who you are getting the toys for already.)

Electronics Drop Test Channels: $1.50 / 1000 views.  (You almost need to be getting free electronics or you will lose money.)

The point is to actually turn a profit on your channel you almost have to have low expenses and if it is product oriented you almost have to be reviewing stuff you got for free.  If you are building a channel with a low payout you have to do it in magnitude.  

Like the prank / comedy channels for instance.  To really make it you have to get past 1,000,000 subscribers and consistently be getting over 500,0000 views to be profitable.  To build to that level is going to take several years of not being profitable.  Can you survive that long?  

Chasing The Dream

Becoming a YouTube Star has been very elusive for a lot of people and now the stories about the YouTube millionaires have hit the news outlets so the same psychological effect is happening that happens with professional athletes, movie celebrities, and musicians.  Everyone likes the idea of being in those positions but the majority of people trying to make it are starving.  

I'm not trying to be negative about the situation I'm just trying to be real.  Most of the guys in minor league baseball are broke as jokes.  They are professionals but often have to have other income sources in the off season or they are subsidized partially by family.  Samething with actors and artist.  Very few really make it.  It is like trying to find the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.  

Being Real But Not Negative

I personally think that platforms like YouTube, Facebook, Reddit, Instagram...etc are awesome in a lot of ways.  I'm not trying to totally trash them but for certain things I'm not going to put my time into them.  Just like earlier when I said I never did video blogs before about my crypto currency mining experience.  It wasn't worth my time to do it just on YouTube.  With Steemit I was able to earn a little bit talking about my experience.  It was worth it on this platform.  

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from building a big following on any particular platform but you have to be realistic when you go into it or you are going to get extremely frustrated.  The hobby you love could turn into something you hate because you get burnt out trying to gain a following for the content you are posting about it.  It is a very real problem.  

Picking and chosing your battles in my mind is a very important thing to consider.  I haven't blogged much about sports or fitness on  Steemit because personally I don't think it will do that well at this time.  

Testing The Waters

If you aren't sure if you will be well recieved or that your topic won't be popular you can do a small sample and also collect data from other content creators who are doing the same thing.  This has saved me a huge amount of time.  I have had several YouTube channels where I have done all the branding for and everything and produced 4 or 5 solid videos to see what the reaction is and to see what the Adsense payout would be.  When it wasn't going to be worth my time I walked away from it.  It isn't really quiting it was just a business decision to not spend my time there. Same thing on Steemit.  Most people honestly aren't even going to read this far into the post.  They are going to scroll down and see that there has been a lot of effort put into the post and upvote it to get the curation rewards.  They are going to do very minimal scanning of the major points.  That is the interesting thing on this platform.  It is almost like you only need 20% engagement.  They are going to hit the major points and bounce out but at this given time that doesn't hurt you like it hurts you if someone bounces off your YouTube video in the first 5 seconds.  

How This Applies To Steemit

When I talk to people who are really into different YouTubers now and up on all the drama going on often times they don't know about the YouTubers back in 2008, 2009, 2010....etc.  Steemit is rapidly changing right now and some of these situations we are worried about right now won't matter or won't even be something the next waves of users even know or care about.  

Take Bitcoin as an example.  It is funny to me to see the new wave of Bitcoin / Crypto enthusiast saying the same stuff that people were saying back in 2013 when I got in. I was all excited about Bitcoin thinking it could go to $5,000 or $10,000 in a years time.  Little did I realize that the people who got in around 2011 were all pulling out.  Now I'm seeing people who got into crypto a year ago saying Bitcoin could go to $5,000 by the end of the year.  It is possible but it just kind of makes me laugh because they weren't around the last time all this stuff was being said.  

People are going to quit Steemit just like great content creators quit YouTube.  This isn't being negative about Steemit.  It is just a fact.  I have seen it before.  

Again this isn't negative toward Steemit but it is likely to get worse before it gets better.  At least the preception that it is worse.  I am very mentally prepared for STEEM to drop to $0.05 - $0.10.  I'm going to keep posting and assessing the situation.  Some will quit all together and some will stay and post less frequently.  It might not drop that low but I am prepared.  Those price levels will likely mentally crush a lot of good content creators.  

At that point it will be hard for anyone to be a true "full-time Steemian."  This was the way it was on YouTube for a long time.  The people who can eak through financially and make it past the rough times will have a chance at big gains when the next wave happens.  There will be a fresh set of super excited people who jump on board.

Final Advice

  • Many who wanted to become YouTube famous couldn't financially justify being unprofitable for a maybe scenario. 
  • Even with the price of STEEM being lower your potential payout here is way better than on YouTube for the same level of work.
  • Pick and chose your battles but test different content on any platform you are looking to build a following on.  
  • Timing is everything on these platforms.  Unfortunately for some of the destitute YouTubers they ended up quitting before their following had real world value.  
  • The Internet Stars will continue to kill the TV Stars just like the TV Stars killed the Radio Stars.  There is no stopping this.  Next year there will be more people on YouTube than there are this year.  It is just a simple fact.  
  • Build for the future without starving and going broke!  Platforms like Steemit are allowing this to be possible.  

Thank you for viewing my blog.  I also do consulting for marketing and branding across different platforms if you have any questions.  Please consider following me @brianphobos

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Legitimately read through the entire thing and loved it. I think you're echoing the same sentiment that I said early on in Steemit's life cycle that those who can successfully use Steemit as a vehicle to reach a wider audience and funnel that audience to their own sites (blogs, YouTube channels, etc.) will be the ones that find the most success on Steemit.

On an unrelated note, I've been thinking of starting up a gaming YouTube channel. What are your thoughts on that and do you have any strategies on what would be the most profitable way to go about that?

Honestly I'm sort of thinking about it a little bit as the opposite in some ways. I would rather pull subscribers from YouTube over to Steemit since Steemit already has a working payout system. At first their vote won't count for much but eventually as they gain power in 6 months to a year then the payouts could really become big overtime. I will branch to the other blockchain related social media sites as well like Synereo if those every come out. I will pretty much replicate my Steemit material over there.
As far as a gaming channel on YouTube you have a very uphill battle at this point which I'm sure you are aware of. There are a lot of different routes you can go with it but almost all of them are going to take a ton of time to gain traction. I almost feel like a person has to be 100% full time with it to get anywhere. You would have to be at the top of your game as far as titles and screenshots go and really piggy back off of FaZe, PewDiePie, or whoever on the tags and all that. Then in the descriptions you would have to write entire blog posts to maximize YouTube SEO. Just doing the SEO on YouTube is a science in itself at this point. I'm not trying to say you shouldn't do it but I think you will be disappointed if you only have time to post once a week or so.
In my opinion I think you could gain traction by doing the YouTube channel for gaming but do it specifically for Steemit and don't really worry much about monetizing it on YouTube or building the following there. It would be interesting but I'm pretty sure this demographic of users are gamers or at least a large percentage are.

Oh I definitely knew it was going to be an uphill battle. I'm at the very infant stages of even thinking about it and couldn't help but ask your opinion since you seem like you have a solid grasp on the YouTube deal. I'll have to keep your advice in mind and I am very thankful for your thoughtful and deep response.

Yeah and once again I'm not trying to be discouraging or dream crushing. I have had to pull the plug on a few YouTube channels after I saw the results. Just the time horizon of when it would break even was way too far out. To be perfectly honest with you the perfect time to start a YouTube channel is when a kids is in junior high or high school. That way they don't have a lot of overhead and they don't have bills in the back of their mind.
I just looked at your blog. Honestly I feel like the best way to test the waters is on here and review some video games in some blog posts. That way you can see what kind of reception you get.

With zero relevant tags on steemit related to video games that seems like a proposition that will die on the vine.

I wouldn't worry too much about the tags not being there. You could make the first tag "life" because video games are part of your life and then just tag the rest with stuff more specific to the game. I mean if you look at the list of tags even "halo" is on the list at the bottom and that is all from Steemit girl Halo. So it isn't impossible to get your own tag on there. Plus just pimp the post in Steemit.chat. If people like it then it has a good chance of catching fire.

People don't realize that the price drop is normal, it's expected, even desired if you ask me and users leaving the platform will result in both the good ones and bad ones leaving, that will just help this place filter out a bit and leave the ones who truly care about Steem and steemit and who support this idea and experiment. I will surely be one of the ones who stay, no matter what, I'm not here for the money, I'm here for the social aspect of it, knowledge and some amazing people I've befriended and met here. Steemit is truly a unique platform at this point, like no platform out there, with a very again unique mix of individuals and content.

Yeah it is a very interesting place. The price drop is a double edge sword for someone like me. I really want to be a 100% full time content creator but there has been a couple occasions where the payouts on my posts got so low for the time I spent on them that I had to actually focus on other things. If the payouts were higher I could really just devote all my time here but my bills are high enough that I have to make money. Since 2007 / 2008 I have always wanted to be a full time content creator but it never has happened except in short spurts. I'm hoping I can survive the dips on this and keep building up Steem Power and keep passing people on the whale list. I agree with you that this place is very unique and I'm glad it doesn't have all the trolls that are on other platforms.

As you said the price drop is double edged sword not just for you but for Manny of us who powered up steem when the price was really high (I've powered up 200$ at 2.5$), but the price drop won't affect the worth of the posts much or if any at all since the reward pool is pretty much very static and isn't Dependant on steem market price. As a creator, yes it is hard to survive and rely on creating income early on, but the thing is to always keep pushing and moving on, from my standpoint Steemit is a great opportunity for new "creator stars" to be born and that opportunity should be used.

Probably the only two places like Steemit that I were part of in my like, what? Twenty years on internet? Were DiscworldMUD and geekculture forums. There were a lot of other great places, a lot of really cool people that I know from livejournal and the like but those two were the greatest. And Steemit has the same vibe, so I am definitely staying. :-D

Awesome! Yeah. The troll level on YouTube is out of control in a lot of ways. It is pretty chill here.

An encouraging and informative read. I've thought a lot about the parallels between YouTube and Steemit (probably prompted by memories of taking my daughter to VidCon... and nudging her to get on here because... well, Pewdiepie).

Pewdiepie surprised me and a lot of other people. I would have never imagined that people would want to watch others play video games like that. Hopefully your daughter sees the value in gettin on this early. Every platform ended up having rising stars. There are people who are famous on Vine, people who are famous on YouTube....etc. There are already Steemit celebs developing.

Her favorites were Pewdiepie, Smosh, and Jack's Films (and others I don't remember). She still hasn't gotten onboard, but maybe if I show her this post... you know, because I didn't write it!

Kids have a hard time listening to their parents. LOL. Smosh got on YouTube early and just never stopped. They were interesting. Jack Vale Films surprised me in a lot of ways because him and Edbassmaster were two of the older pranksters that actually made it and they became friends before either one of them was big which was cool.
It is really hard to tell what it takes for people to kick into action on any of these platforms. Steemit to me is really a no brainer but I have personally seen 4 people I know outside of here quit right away. Then there have been probably 3 or 4 people who thought it looked like a good idea but they are always getting ready to get ready. Scared of the potential of rejection when it boils down to it. It isn't fun when a post doesn't get paid out much. Like right now this post is sitting at a low payout even though it is well liked and informative. But I just keep pimping it and hopefully a whales sees it.

I read the article, very well written. I've had friends who tried to profit from YouTube and they were disappointed. I'm not here to make a living, I am curious to see how this platform evolves, make friends and network, share my interests, and surprise, I am making some profit!

It is extremely tough for sure. It is great to hear you are making some profit! It really is an exciting time if people can stay the course and the platform keeps evolving. Despite some of the minor issues on here Steemit is the best kept secret on the Internet.

Great read, I never managed to have some result on Youtube, while with AdSense and my ebooks website I'm earning like 5$ every month...

YouTube is tough for sure. It wasn't until I got accepted into a couple niche affiliate programs that I was able to promote using YouTube videos that I actually was able to gain some ground there. It isn't a real fun process when I have had to test a certain type of channel and then make the decision to stop producing for it but I feel like it was the right decision considering my situation and the future potential.

@brianphobos Identify with you the whole way through. Joined YouTube in 2007 also. At the moment I'm focusing on building reputation and followers here on Steemit, same as I did in the beginning on YT. Exciting times yet again... (re: Compuserve, AOL, MySpace, etc etc etc.) Yep, been to the rodeo before :)

It was always that tough decision to either keep putting up content or just stop for certain channels. There was always the what if situations on YouTube. There is still an opportunity there but I almost feel like you have to be a full time content creator without any money issues or bills coming up for like 2 or 3 years to really make it on there. With Steemit a person has the potential to be profitable with a lot less work than on YouTube. It is cool to hear from someone else that has seen the trend and can see the potential in this. If everything goes as planned we can make a huge impact on here.

Amen to that brother :)

Well written. A very good read - no I didn't skim (lol)! I don't know who Fred is.

Hahah, That is kind of funny that you don't know who Fred is but I run into that all the time. It is kind of like knowing these early Steemians and being really into all the happenings on here. That is how I was in 2008 - 2011 on YouTube and then I stopped making content for a couple of years and other stopped as well. Then it was like the next wave of creators became far bigger than the initial people I thought were big. It was very interesting. Here is an old video of Fred. He was loved by many and annoyed a lot of people as well.

I lasted 9 seconds on that. I can't watch that. Bye Fred.

This is fascinating to read. I wasn't aware of your Youtube work. I agree that most people probably will quit this after their first few hurdles. Whatever the Steem price is the profitability will almost certainly be better than places like Youtube.

I just see the low price as an opportunity to power up at a low price.

Also you are correct that most people probably won't read through your whole post. Given the limited time most people have that is to be expected.

Great post.

Thanks, I'm actually surprised at how many people are reading this particular post. I think a lot of people identify with it. Yeah the lower price could be an opportunity to power up. I personally have to take some earnings for bills since I spend so much time on here. I wish I could be more efficient but every time I write one of these it takes about 2 hours longer than I think.
The time factor is an issue and there is a big fight between being a content consumer and being a content creator on a platform like this or YouTube. Sometimes I get looking at other people's stuff for hours when I could have been working on my own stuff. Other stuff is good but suddenly I'm out of time!

Wondering what happens with youtube ad blockers for you. Does the final view count add those who block adds, or do those who do this not count toward the final number of views.

Maybe YouTube eats those losses, but I doubt it. I think it may only be 5% or so, but it will rise I think.

The ad blockers are an issue for content creators on YouTube. The best thing is if a person is pulling in several different revenue streams besides Adsense. Merch, affiliate links, product placement....etc.

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