A proposal for the creation of "undervalued posts" tool (for steem app developers)

in #steemit8 years ago (edited)

A lot of people say that "a post can't get 100 votes and 3$" so they are asking for more "equal vote" rights. 

Obviously equal vote rights can't be used due to bot armies gaming the system. So what to do?

There are three scenarios where high votes / low rewards might appear:

1) Fake votes and bots. (since this behavior is not incentivized it is kept at a minimum right now)

2) Content that is popular and got a lot of votes but did not get whale attention. (this is the case that needs our attention)

3) Someone always getting a lot of votes for being popular / whether their content is good or bad.


The proposal

A tool needs to be made, for whales, that brings the whale attention to high-vote but undervalued posts of case #2.

The algorithm should be checking number of votes and SP accumulated (to trigger the "alarm" that something good is going on), plus the reputation of upvoters (let's say the avg rep of the top10 voters - or something similar). This will theoretically eliminate bot-votes of case #1.

Now, to filter case #3 - a predicate / condition could be applied to ignore members which have a very frequent occurrence of high upvote counts "just because" they are who they are. 

The whale operating the curation tool might opt to not filter case #3 with a checkbox. It could be up to their discretion on whether to see these results or not. 

Further filtering could include reputation levels (only displaying members from XX and upwards), precluding any posts with serious flagging, etc etc.

Once such a curation tool exists, I think a lot of undervalued but popular posts could actually get the attention that they deserve in terms of $$$.

Obviously, this tool should not produce any automated upvoting. It would just be a helping aid for curators to spot good content that has first been spotted by minnows and dolphins. As a side effect it would indirectly increase the curation power of minnows and dolphins, as well as their curation rewards.

Hopefully we'll see it soon!

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I have already built, not one, but two tools to address this issue:

  • new post momentum tool
  • ranking by vote reputation instead of payouts

> Check it out

Not exactly what I have in mind, because the top posts sorted there are already scoring money:

Reputation Post Last Voted
9,505 @the-alien/we-have-competition-so-what
$552.5 - 287 votes - posted 5 hours ago 4 minutes ago
7,594 @sirwinchester/captured-moments-3-every-snapshot-has-a-story
$504.9 - 272 votes - posted 6 hours ago 21 minutes ago
6,924 @serejandmyself/the-amazing-world-of-slavic-folklore-and-mythology-original-haiku
$550.9 - 197 votes - posted 8 hours ago 6 minutes ago
6,501 @msgivings/abortion-my-body-my-choice
$891.5 - 258 votes - posted 6 hours ago an hour ago
6,259 @calaber24p/don-t-waste-your-time-and-potential-just-waiting-for-things-to-come
$491.9 - 229 votes - posted 3 hours ago 20 minutes ago
6,080 @cass/follow-join-my-blog-steem-blog-badges-playground-part-i
$141.3 - 216 votes - posted 4 hours ago an hour ago
5,876 @knozaki2015/spotted-limited-edition-products
$524.2 - 172 votes - posted 2 hours ago 30 minutes ago

The concept is to find the undervalued. If you tweak the feed to compute it differently you should be able to make it work.

Not always. Right now, for instance, the payouts and reputation are out of sync.

Still, only one of these is severely underpaid at 2$.

This tool is exactly what your proposal #2 is about.

You bring up some good points. My posts often fall into category 2 in that they outpace much higher earners in terms of upvotes received. Well thought out article! UPVOTED

Thanks. Let's hope someone codes it (and the whales use it) so that your underappreciated posts start to climb the earning ladder. I think it will ultimately benefit the entire ecosystem if curation starts improving in quality by using "wisdom-of-the-crowd" techniques (while filtering bots and anomalies) to make quality more objective.

Good ideas. The second one alone would certainly help and give a boost to the moral of the ascending minnows.

or we could simply repurpose the 'trending' page to show posts based on votes and replies instead of rewards.

It has to be more sophisticated than that to avoid fake vote/bot vote influence.

Right now it's 200 bots for 150$. So, 200-500-1000 votes would cost nothing.

Great idea! I added your post to the latest edition of the Steemit Wish List :)

Good stuff... thanks

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