Battle tested and ready: Building Up Steem for the future

in steem •  6 months ago

I have been saying for quite a good while now that Steem needs (the community aspect) a middle class but, at the rate it is happening, those who are potentials aren't growing nearly as fast as those who couldn't give two Flying F*cks about the community aspect of Steem, they are only here for the economic aspect, the gainz. No problem with that for e as long as they push prices up, I am okay. But, those to come will be screwed.

Those newbies in and the low SP people who already feel screwed have not yet been screwed completely, there is worse to come, a bigger screw so to speak as the maximisers continue, more onboarding happens and there is ever less pool available for distribution and ever growing conflicted feeling of entitlement, jealousy and anger rolled into a clusterf*ck of a platform.

The community builders who are doing their community building thing need to take a step back and think long and hard if all of their good work is going to go to waste and what they have thought is a long-term view, is only so if that engaged middleclass is there in that future. Without them, all of the efforts and sacrifices now are likely to be for nought. So what to do?

Well, as you can see by the * I put in to thinly veil that I swear like f*cking trooper most of the time IRL, it is time that the community thinkers started building the community of tomorrow today. The sacrifices they are making might be painful at the moment as they watch the behaviors of many others who grow here but, they have to sacrifice more, they have to sacrifice their ideals.

Currently, the short-term view most community thinkers are taking is not leading to the long-term position they are wanting, there is a disconnect in the line from the present and future position. The investments into the community are costing their investments into themselves and just like in a plane where the gas mask drops down in an emergency, place the mask on your own face before assisting others with theirs. There is a simple reason, a passed-out person helps no one, except those assholes who would take advantage of a passed out person...

And this is where the sacrifice really gets made because for a community-orientated person, building the self while others might suffer is a very uncomfortable thing to do but, a necessary one. The future community/communities are going to need community nodes with the willingness and the capabilities to support them but, at the current rate and with the current methods, that is not happening.

So, the problem is that at least for me, I want a future on Steem where many can be supported but the current path I take isn't going to get there. F*ck me, looks like I am going to have to be the change in my equation since I have zero rights or power over anyone else here.

I was in a discussion with @steevc an hour or so back and commented a wall which led onto this post. He was saying he is going to put a little bit of his own VP onto his posts and I think, he should put all onto each post. I have recommended before to people to go maximum 50/50 - self/community if they are going to be here in the long-term. If however, you are looking short-term and are wanting to extract quickly there is a completely different strategy to take and I recommend you, **** ***!, the community doesn't need you.

Personally, I pay for delegation and want to be able to cover that and grow a little with it but it is hard, even when I post as much as I do and price is down. I won't resort to comment voting though. I use my vote on my posts and hopefully on the posts of other long-term thinkers who want a community position here later. Growth at the moment is hard and it is even harder for those who want to think about the community too. I know, I am one of them.

But, I also think/know/believe that in order for many people to get support in the future without it only being pay-to-play, it is going to require middle class and up thinkers who are willing to put their VP into small communities that don't have the finances to pay to play. Making it completely a 'buy-in' community is going to do the very thing that this community was meant to combat and take away opportunities for some amazing talents to be recognized. F*ck that, I want to be able to support future talent without them having to be indebted to me.

Currently, there are ways for everyone on the platform to earn something if they put in the work but, that window is rapidly closing. Do the best you can but for those who are really thinking long and about community need to do more. Some people might claim moral high-ground in these things but they are generally the people who already have their position and it is one where they are relatively safe.

Each day I am here and each article I write I think about my role and the community, I am my harshest judge yet, when I look in the mirror, I am okay. Here is a guide for people and you can add a few more if you want. These are for people who are actually already thinking long-term and plan to be here in the future. Those who are already battle-tested and ready.

Ask yourself some questions:

  • Am I a community thinker
  • Am I a community developer
  • Am I looking long-term
  • Am I committed to powering up as much as possible
  • Am I using my VP significantly on the community
  • Do I care about the platform's longevity

In the case of Yeses, do all you can to Powerup because the future needs you with willing VP. When I say all you can, use the 50/50 rule and find a balance point. Target most of your spare VP on accounts that have a similar outlook for the future as you, long-term thinkers who have proven themselves. Some for potentials and some for the rest of the community too.

Then ask:

  • Am I an asshole
  • Am I at risk of becoming an asshole

If you answer yes to the first of these, you didn't answer yes to the six above it. If you answer yes to the last, be very, very careful with whatever you choose to do going forward if you think you are a community developer and here for the long-term. Perhaps being an asshole is not taking the responsibility of discomfort now that will allow to help many more in the future. I don't know and can't answer, that is your position to investigate.

When it comes to me, I trust myself (no matter how it might look to others) that I am in almost zero risk of becoming an asshole (this is debatable because many people think I am a heartless asshole now) but, I am thinking of the future here, both mine and yours at each step, each experiment and each mistake I make. My growth has been pretty well distributed to myself and the community so far. That isn't really going to change if I have 20k SP like now or the 2-400,000 SP @ned might like to delegate to me for a community experiment in node building for 6 months to a year.

The problem at the moment is that there isn't a significant amount of community thinker SP among active users and what there is, is helping the community grow and stay engaged while the assholes are building castles and empires. Unless we have castles of our own and people willing and able to support them, we are screwed in the long-term. I am sensitive to people's immediate needs but, there is a much bigger game being played and many more lives in the future that will potentially be helped.

From the outside, I or others might look like assholes but, 2, 3 or 5 years from now, it will be people like myself that you will find still here, working for the community we helped build. Making uncomfortable short-term decisions for long-term gains is what this community is lacking in its infancy stages. Short term assholes are maximising for themselves, community thinkers are helping some in the short-term at the cost of helping many in the future.

What I am saying is:

Do what you can, don't get lost on the way.

Taraz
[ a Steem original ]

BTW @ned, I mean it and with some decent support I am pretty sure I could make this place much healthier relatively quickly

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I am here for the long haul. I will build my castle from the bones of whales i slay along the way.
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This is what I like to hear :D

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Haaa. Snuck in a comment upvote while you weren't looking
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And yet you won't turn your comment voting back on, and you won't take the profit available from buying votes. If you really feel this way why not go whole-hog?

I don't need to 50/50 because I'm making enough money from non-voting to use 85% of my voting power on building other people's accounts, plus some SBDs on rewarding good content outside of the voting system. And yes, I am tracking many of them to make sure that money is going into powering up.

If we really want a middle class we need to be lifting a bunch of people so they can quickly do the same. It's exponential growth even more than what comes from self-voting.

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If you really feel this way why not go whole-hog?

Half-hog will be my limit I think although that will slide backwards and forwards depending on the time. I should have gone whole hog with high SBDs but that is when I reduced my activities so as not to be greedy. Others didn't.

And yes, I am tracking many of them to make sure that money is going into powering up.

This is a good thing. I would actually like an indicator for it.

If we really want a middle class we need to be lifting a bunch of people so they can quickly do the same. It's exponential growth even more than what comes from self-voting.

Yep. This can happen in time too. The self-growth/community split is about building the mindset.

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This is a good thing. I would actually like an indicator for it.

It would be lovely to have some sort of automatic process. I just look at wallets every week and run a spreadsheet. I post a weekly table on @doctorworm but it's only the people I support with that account.

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That is pretty cool :)

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Just thinking about everything you said...
This community need a change else in years to come this project might go down because new babies are not encourage.
When we think about long time projects we wouldn't be selfish with our UPVOTE on the right post or comment. There are babies who wants to be here for a long time.
Lets take me for an example I am school where each day I can reach out to nothing less than 100 people who could possibly join. I have tried my best reaching out with the little resources I have, when I post at times no Upvote, it discouraged me alot. Just imagine if I am fully supported and I continued reaching out don't you know how many people I might be able to bring here in the next 3-5momths.
I just hope @ned and other wake up and look for a way to support those who are ready to grow this community for a long time

I could upvote all my posts, but if everyone is doing that regardless of their motives then the minnows will lose out even more. I am lucky to have built up around 16k SP, so I can make some nice votes on minnow posts. My vote is reduced as I have delegated half of it to various people. Some is to vote services who I think do good and the rest to individuals who can spread my voting power across more people.

If I were delegated a large amount I could do a lot more good. Of course I'd be tempted to use some on myself and if I knew it was temporary then I would try to boost my SP some more. Part of me doesn't really want the responsibility of giving out larger sums. I'd have to spend even more time on Steemit to be sure it was well used.

For now Ned does not seem to be voting much and that's a shame as he could be helping distribute the rewards to more people. He's delegating about half his SP, but 1.9 million is effectively not being used. There's also the Steemit account with 44 million sitting idle!

I'm just hoping they have something planned to make good use of all that power when they feel ready. I suspect we need to wait until at least the next hardfork, which could be in a couple of months, before they start to get more active in promoting the platform.

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Damn. Hey @ned or Steemit, ya wanna delegate me a few thousand? 😮

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Yes, the minnows will lose out a bit but, those who are actually thinking long term won't as they will be using the opportunity to be in the 50% of your support. In pretty short order and with some care, their vote will be significant enough to be able to add some value to other minnows too with their 50%. At the moment, we are spraying SP and most of it is not getting powered up by those who could really make a difference here in the mid to long view.

Uncomfortable isn't it....

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I have been here for some time now, I have seen how hard it is to make it on steemit this days with bidbots and lots of other things which are affecting the growth of steemit.
I joined steemit to make a differences but I must confess it hasn't been easy so far.
I come from a country with poor economic development, poverty rampant and so on. I am here to help my community and the world growth at large so since I don't have enough money to invest on I decided to be doing the best I can by inspiring and motivating youths into succeeding through entrepreneur.

I am here for a long time, my plans are to organize seminars, where I can educate the youths on campus and every where about the importance's of steemit and how it can elevate poverty in the long run.
#This_a_project_laid_in_my_heart_anyway though am trying my possible best to source for help from other notable people with same vision on how to grow steemit in the long run.
You can check some of my post on my blog @orisfina on how I have being trying to motivate youths with potentials to succeed. There are people with long term ideas, we need to discover such and help. That's where the true growth of this platform lies because all those investor though needed are only here short time to make their money and leave.

If there is anyway you can help my project either by delegating S.P or by loaning some, I will be ready to discuss my plans in full with you .

Thanks for your support so far

Hi taraz . i am not an asshole and in danger of becoming one so it's yes from me for all of the above besides the assholes. I like you think being a node or a point that helps others grow around them is vital. that is where I want to be and will get there. Just the time is closing in and don't have steroids to go faster lol. You know how I have been operating and it is working to a point and I am trying to get some funds together to give a boost.

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You will get there in time and I think those who really are invested will ride the ups and downs and come out the other side much, much better off for it in much more important ways than financially.

Your spirit is like a military spirit that wants to advance to the battlefield.

If what you say is done, consisting of 6 points above, all members of Steemit will enjoy the benefits.

What can I do to help?
However, my status is still minnow.

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Power up, build the community.

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I used to be a community leader consisting of college students and employees at my college. But they do not last long because less get upvote except some people only.

The only reason to attract people is money and money.

I feel attacked. (meme answer)

This is something I struggle with. I answer the yeses. My assholery is generally contained. And yet — is my help to all those I love the shit out of here (and the randoms too) as effective as it could be? That's a painful question to be asked, because no one wants to examine the hard nuances of what being helpful entails. Is intention sufficient enough without power to support it? I know my mindset and contributions are right... but is the tool-set I'm utilizing matched? I power up but really don't manage the "selfish" balance well, even knowing that being bigger means bigger impact — things to chew on. (serious answer)

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That's a painful question to be asked, because no one wants to examine the hard nuances of what being helpful entails.

This is the question I ask every day and after all of my time here, I have failed to take the hardest path which is, really think long.

Is intention sufficient enough without power to support it? I know my mindset and contributions are right... but is the tool-set I'm utilizing matched? I power up but really don't manage the "selfish" balance well, even knowing that being bigger means bigger impact — things to chew on. (serious answer)

Intention isn't enough to do anything except satisfy the ego upon a high horse. You work your ass off for the platform and community (much more than me) yet, look at the place. What happens in a year or two and you have grown at 30% the rate of those who are commandeering the pool? Who distributes to who then?

I am chewing too.

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Over the past 3 weeks I have been struggling with the same thing . Helping others at the expense of myself or at least not growing as fast as I could have .

I know my mindset and contributions are right... but is the tool-set I'm utilizing matched?

That's a great way of putting it and to be honest with myself I have to say NO

I think I'm doing ok. Hopefully I can make it into the Middle class in the next year or two. I think I will become 1%er this year. Steemit is hard though and will probably only get harder. If we had a billion people on this platform like Facebook has on theirs then there would be less than 1 Steem available per account.

Am I a community thinker Am I a community developer Am I looking long-term Am I committed to powering up as much as possible Am I using my VP significantly on the community Do I care about the platform's longevity

Yes.
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Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

When it comes to communities I don't know which community I should be thinking about. With SMTs and Hive, there will be significant fragmentation of the current community. I hope to be active in a community of photographers and will found a community of go players if necessary to name the two most important ones. I wonder how many of my current followers will follow me into those communities. Time will tell.

I'm very excited about SteemMonsters - and not because I'd ever want to play it but because it's an app that takes a Steem account and purchasing some STEEM to get started with. That's not the attention economy envisioned by the founders of Steem but it could be things like that that will provide most of the real-world value of Steem in the future.

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Well, with the way you get around the platform and comment/upvote, I would actually class you as a community developer. It was less in the building of a niche and more in the general sense I meant it.

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I appreciate your words. :D

Anyway, the I really wonder how the current group of 60,000 Steemians active daily will transform in the coming years when the platform becomes better equipped to handle separate communities.

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I am not sure but I think that those who are unwilling to engage are likely going to struggle unless they can buy in. It is going to close out a lot of the spammers and low quality too.

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I'm imaging the future of communities to be a very different animal compared to what we have now. Many of them will be focused on specific topics. I have a feeling that those who tag along bigger accounts than themselves in hopes of upvotes will be left wondering if they should find new high SP holders to gather around who actually share their interests, if they can find them, or endure those people who they know from the early days going on about stuff in their niche communities that does not interest them in the least.

I know less than five go players on Steem. But when the time comes I will be devoting a lot of my time here to developing the go community. A greater number of my followers will follow me into photographers' communities I suppose. I could be sighted in a few others. My followers and my active followers in particular are a motley crew having few things in common. This is why Steem Power is crucial. You will not be able to rely on even community support if you don't power up. The original communities we have now will be something we will have to mine the blockchain to accurately remember.

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I think those searching for upvotes from those they aren't actually interested in now are going to struggle later as it will become apparent if they are actually interested in the content or not. It is going to take a lot of work to engage with a community one has no interest in.

use the 50/50 rule and find a balance point.

can you explain this to me ? as much detail as posible

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Ok, you have 10 votes a day (lets keep it simple)

Use 5 on yourself in ways to grow and 5 on the community in ways for them to grow. At the moment, spreading SP all over the place isn't helping the long-trm view as most are not powering it up. Concentrate on those who are thinking community.

5 votes for you, 3 for community thinkers, 2 for wider audience.

Of course, most don't post 5 times a day like I do so in reality, it is going to be more 20/80 etc... which means, 5 votes go to the community thinkers, 3 to the rest.

Sounds harsh but we need more people in the middle with SP but currently, 98% have less than 100 SP. If that number was 90%, the place would look different already, if it was 80%, very healthy. They don't need a massive amount of SP but with 40,000 more people sharing their cents every day, it adds up to a great deal.

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I don't think it's harsh . it's reality . 100% behind the concept

I have been casting a very wide net . to wide with voting but above the dust

I have to tweek how I'm operating

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98% have less than 100 SP

Not sure if I should be taking cold comfort knowing that 98% of Steemians are in my boat, or really sad that 100SP is the threshold for being in the top 2%.

How many arseholes (or at least people we might perceive to be as such) would actually admit to being arseholes though?

I don't actually know how to answer any of your questions otherwise, and am probably doing everything wrongly just muddling along doing my thing, but I'm gonna keep doing my thing if just because people seem to like comments.

goatsig

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How many arseholes (or at least people we might perceive to be as such) would actually admit to being arseholes though?

I am quite happy to admit it with limitations ;)

but I'm gonna keep doing my thing if just because people seem to like comments.

I think this is what people should do and evaluate their thing often to see if it is still suitable for them.

On a irrelevant note, Don't you think the proper spelling 'arsehole' is so much more colourful than the american 'asshole'?

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Comments are my thing. I don't leave a lot as they tend to be slightly longer than "nice post", but I do the best I can. And I'm also easily intimidated which is why I don't leave you as many as I should.

Arsehole is one of those words that's spelled however people say them and Australians do tend to drawl it out a bit don't they XD

goatsig

Currently, the short-term view most community thinkers are taking is not leading to the long-term position they are wanting, there is a disconnect in the line from the present and future position.

What are your "top tips" for resolving this? The 50/50 voting. Buying SP. What else? Thanks.

I've been not voting for people who use bidbots. I also wonder why large accounts, and even smaller accounts, are supporting people who just do hit-and-run posting and don't reply to comments from their supporters. I don't upvote them after I see they don't engage. I think not supporting those two types of users is doing something positive. What do you think?

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I feel like this is very similar to the rant that I went on in my 1k follower thank you post ...

Active curation among the people who are in the community and no more buying upvotes from voting bots is the only way for the little guys to survive and eventually thrive! I think you sum it up a bit differently, but to the same end here:

But, I also think/know/believe that in order for many people to get support in the future without it only being pay-to-play, it is going to require middle class and up thinkers who are willing to put their VP into small communities that don't have the finances to pay to play.

In @tcpolymath's comment, he discussed a similar belief that promoting and creating a middle class (helping GOOD minnows grow their accounts) is a positive step towards building a fruitful future community. At least that's what I got out of these comments:

If we really want a middle class we need to be lifting a bunch of people so they can quickly do the same. It's exponential growth even more than what comes from self-voting.

Active curation is the only way (in my opinion) to make this happen. If you go back 2 years on some posts, there are some major community influencers discussing the merits of bots for curation .. I still disagree that using bots is helpful to the community. Sure, you can follow another account that's actively curating content.. but then you're not really promoting content that you like .. you're just following the crowd. Does that make it wrong? Does that make it OK? Who knows..

Anyway.. enough about bots..

Active Curation of minnows by minnows.. Active Curation of minnows by dolphins, whales, everyone ... Active curation of everyone by everyone! That's how we BUILD a Community. Everyone is busy trying to figure out shortcuts to everything.. When will we finally realize, learn, and understand:

There are no shortcuts in life!

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I agree that the active curation is the way to go but, currently it is not unfortunately as those who are actually willing are too few and too far between. There are too many needing support and not enough supporters. Perhaps a split system where accounts can grow independently and, if their content/engagement/powering up is good, they will be boosted even further by the active curators. Currently, too many of the buyers are producing crap and have no long-term view. This place would be different if the buyrers for the last 9 months actually cared enough about the community here to help build it too. that is a general statement as i know some buyers who are engaged and spreading into the community. Like @tcpolymath.

At the moment, I am painfully leaning toward a hybrid approach as the current path leads to 100% pay-t-play but, it is just so tempting few can resist.

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This place would be different if the buyrers for the last 9 months actually cared enough about the community here to help build it too.

I've been psychologically conditioned for this role my entire life, so I'm sure not a fair test. But I would love to hear @phoneinf tell the story of how he got converted from a pure investor mindset to a community-builder one. I feel like I played a minor part in it but was offstage for too much to really understand.

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It sounds like you're letting the nay-sayers bring you down. Stay Strong!

I feel like this is the problem with society today .. We're all (myself included) caught up in a world where we don't want to push back against opposing forces too hard because we don't want to deal with the aftermath of it. Instead, we bend our own personal beliefs to give the less-informed and less-willing-to-think the ability to have their way through compromise on our part; without an equal amount of compromise from the other side.

I understand that the THEORY all along has been that we (Steemit) "need investors" along with the community in order to build a successful platform. I feel like this idea has been the crux of the problem on Steemit.

We never needed investors. The platform itself is built in a way such that the community can be self-supported and thrive! Investors only muddy the waters by incentivizing the tempted (read: opportunist / non-community-focused) to stray from the original purpose of Steemit.

The rewards pool is constantly paying participants on its own. Why do we need outside investment? The value of Steem / SBD comes from the free market. If people find Steem valuable, because they're using it, then the value of Steem will naturally increase due to the increased demand for it.

The intent of Steemit was to allow individuals to bootstrap themselves out of their current situation and grow into a better situation. Was the platform likely flawed to begin with? Did the rewards pool start off too big? Did the initial distribution create the incentivized situation that we have now where people find it more valuable to invest in bots than they do in the community?

I feel that it all comes down to how much those of us who are invested in the community side are willing to continue investing in the community. And I'm using the word "invested" as a personal investment, not a monetary one. Money ruins the world (which is what is keeping people down, and the reason why Steemit was started in the first place).

I'll say it again .. which you know it better than most (proven by your relentless posts and other support in the community) ..

There are no shortcuts in life!

and I'll add:

Whatever is worth doing at all, is worth doing well.

  • Philip Stanhope, 4th Earl of Chesterfield

According to @PaulaG's latest data post while there are a lot of just passive investors signing up, there is a recent increase in people posting and engaging, and a recent upturn according to @penguinpablo's stats, so maybe all is not lost!

I personally give myself something back via upvoting my own posts, and then use @steembasicincome, which is a win win situation for me and the other people I sponsor into it.

I think you have to, to sustain yourself on here lower down the order. Even at my <10-90% self other voting ratio - that's still much better than out there in the real world!

I'd like to add that we need to know about people's offline realities to judge whether their 'extraction strategies' are moral:

Imagine two people - both with I dunno 10K SP....

Person A might be a retired financially independent individual and thus not self voting or delegating and building community on steemit is basically a leisure activity.

Person B might be a middle aged sandwiched lone parent who's caring for both his/her kids and elderly parents, looking for a return on his/her investment in order to pay off the mortgage, so just delegates.

I couldn't in all honestly condemn Person B and call Person A a saint. I'd call Person B rational, and Person A lucky.

Most of us are somewhere in between these two scenarios I imagine.

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Yep, there has to be sensitivity and I am not insensitive, quite the opposite. I still want Person B to keep helping the community a little and powering up a little for a life with less stress later.

Sorry, for the short replies.. I have 200+ comments I am working through.

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No need to apologize, that's a good sign!

And thanks for replying.

Karl.

I love this post... You are dead ass on @tarazkp! I don't know if you saw my post the other day, but your post syncs perfectly with what I discovered. The people at the top don't give a shit if we survive or fail, its all about getting steem out to the 100s of millions.

I have been struggling with how to deal with it in the last few days since that post. I hear what my elders are saying (good people that I follow in that regard)... But I also scratch my head when I think through the future. I wonder what is the path forward for communities if its the way people think right now.

I understand completely the decision tree that you are putting yourself through. And sadly you even have to think about it just shows how screwed up @ned and the crew at the top are even thinking. You are a natural leader and helper and you should be supported. I have not proven myself so I understand that I am not considered for any "decent support", but you on the other hand should be delegated 1 million SP and let you go to work.

The bottom line is if they don't, then they will see more of the @tarazkp's efforts wasted, I know because I am one of you (just a year and a half behind).

Again great post and love your point of view. If I can help you to get any of the troops whipped up, just let me know... I know a lot of people in the 50s that would jump behind you getting some real support!

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I have no idea where it will all lead but I do think that the community builders current path is not going to get us where we may want to be. There needs to be some changes in action somewhere before the pool is only a swamp.

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I agree... I have started @newbieresteemday, @newbiegames, @greetersguild, @friendsofgondor, and lately @dustsweeper. I have been involved in getting people to be connected. I can tell you that it is up to people on your level to take the initiative, most of the bigger guys look at us with our small SP and think we don't matter. I know if I had come here 9 months earlier I would be in a much better position (SP wise), but the fact of the matter is it is very hard to get a meaningful level of SP from organic activities (after steem ran from $0.16 to the levels reached now). I have 350 SP in 6 months which I'm proud of, but the bottom line is the people that wield power here don't view me (or people like me) as part of the "club".

So I truly hope you get some traction, we need everyone that "gets it" to help before our path is buried in that swamp. Thanks for the effort and if there is anything a minnow can do, please let me know and I wil try!

So refreshing to read this...thank you! I'm new to steemit and am in it for the long haul. One of the first things I noticed as I peeled back the curtain of steemit and looked past the lambo a**holes was handful of engaged and thoughtful communities. It has the feel of early twitter, when you could actually find like-minded and engaged community builders and form real relationships that extended offline. From what I've seen in the 2 short weeks I've been here is a very similar community vibe. People supporting their work and forming real relationships. I'm simply happy to have found this and to know folks like yourself have a larger vision for the health of community on this platform. Thanks!!

What makes you NOT an asshole is precisely this:

I or others might look like assholes but, 2, 3 or 5 years from now, it will be people like myself that you will find still here, working for the community we helped build.

As a tiny account that's not even lint on someone's butt yet, I have no intention of doing anything other than just keep plugging along, one step at a time. It's the drops in the bucket theory: If you leave a bucket under a dripping tap, it seems like nothing. What's a drop of water? But when you come back two weeks later, the bucket is overflowing.

What gives me some comfort is the idea that there are people like you, working towards making sure there still IS a community here in a few years when my bucket has slowly filled and I can add something of more value for others. Pay it forward, and all that.

=^..^=

Since I joined the platform I have put a lot of faith in it, but if I have seen that there is no union and without union there is no strength, I know that with good leaders would improve things in the long run for the little ones, in this platform there is a lot of potential and I know that many think they will be here in 5 years, in my case, just wait for the changes to come, while I continue to work hard for my future in steemit.

I like it when you go all mental and say what's on your mind, I trust brutally honest people more regardless the language they choose, fuck it.

I am honestly trying everything I can to grow and power up and spread my voting power to as many a day as possible. I don't need to live off the platform as I've said so won't be taking anything out.

Could you do an honest analysis of how I am going about my approach and where I can improve. Honestly, I don't get offended.

Phase one complete, I moved from red fish to minnow not to long ago. Not sure I want to reach Phase V, that was a rather scary movie. But I will face my trails to phase V when the time comes. 7 or 8 years, maybe longer, but long term is long term. There are a few nice communities growing, I am sure more will continue to grow, we may be in the slumlord state, but control is being implemented, people are coming together, and the community is improving.

When I joined, there were no helping hands to be easily found, now the helping hands go out to the new users. There are outreach groups growing every month now on steemit. People are seeing small communities beginning to have an impact.

Oh by the way @ned, it would be nice if you did give a significant SP boost to @tarazkp to help build that middle class that I would like to be a member of one day.

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There are outreach groups growing every month now on steemit. People are seeing small communities beginning to have an impact.

It will happen slowly but is it going to be enough in time? I think communities are going to have to get a little more organised even before 'communities' arrive.

btw, threw you a follow and will help a little where/when I can.

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Here is the answer to that question in my humble opinion:

It will happen slowly but is it going to be enough in time?

No

I see my friends and very good community people bail every day. Two left just yesterday. Maybe one day we can help them, but the time is now for people like you to help the groups that are serious like @comedyopenmic @helpie, @asapers,@ifc, @cryptoempire @newbiegames @greetersguild... And that isn't even counting the ones that I'm involved directly with (I don't want to taint my plea with anything I deal with directly).

If we don't get someone like you to get the attention at the top, then in my opinion we won't make it in time! I am only here for the great people I have met, but if I can't make a difference then I too will leave.

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You are already helping, you and @abh12345, both have the health of steemit foremost in your hearts and minds. If you need a really really good idea man look at what @davemccoy came up with. Since joining with @dustsweeper, my SP has grown fairly well, all those tiny dust votes I used to get, the one that just go poof didn't happen, well I get that intended reward, the vote caster gets his voting reward, and the money remains in the system instead of just disappearing. A Win-Win solution for all involved. I don't know how long the whales will let it stand, but for now it is a huge help.

Your passion is palpable, it makes me consider my activitiy level and commitment to growing my account, SP and followers. I feel I do a good job of upvoting others, not just myself, but I do delegate SP to a upvote bot. I chose an upvote bot run by someone I believe to be community focused and which has initiatives to grow newbies on Steemit, but perhaps I need to reconsider, take my SP back, and just be intentional about supporting real genuine talent on Steemit, so as to purposefully grow this great platform.

Im not entirely convinced that as you suggest the idiots and a-holes will ruin this place with their self-voting, idiocy. Nevertheless, I am sufficiently concerned by your call for concern, that I am going to seriously consider how I want to #growsteemit with the power I have, as best I can.

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but I do delegate SP to a upvote bot

This is essentially upvoting yourself as it take your vote away from you and returns SBD.

Im not entirely convinced that as you suggest the idiots and a-holes will ruin this place with their self-voting, idiocy.

It depends on what one calls ruin. For a community to be here, a community needs to be built. For profit on the coin, it doesn't. At the moment I have 20k SP so profit on the coin would be pretty great but, for many millions more to benefit long-term with opportunity to work and have a revenue stream, community is needed for most.

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@tarazkp, our conversations over the past few days convinced me. I removed my delegation from the upvote bot. I will say I do believe I chose a healthy contributing member of Steem to delegate to, and because he was, and is, actively encouraging and supporting minnows on Steemit, I would consider delegating again in the future.

However, I think you are right that we need to be more proactive about making this place great, and I can be more proactive by using my 2300 SP to incentivize good content directly, hand picking quality content and providing my upvote. In so doing, hopefully I can encourage others
to cancel their delegations and instead use it intentionally to reward quality on Steemit.

Bots are necessarily bad, however it seems true to me that the more people who use their SP intentionally and deliberately to encourage and reward quality and sincerity on this platform, the better.

So you convinced me. I undelegated. In a few days I will have ALL my SP back, and I am excited to use it for the betterment of Steemit.

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Don't blame me for this. I am trying to get people to earn and power up however they can at the moment without being too much of an asshole by sharing some back also. The bots are one way to do this but my issue with the current bots is that they are too often being used on content that is very low quality or, does not deserve the level of rewards they are getting voted to.

If instead of voting average to 500 dollars they voted 10-15 articles (even average ones) to $30-50 it would be a massive difference in distribution but, that is not how they are working. The people stacking bot vots on top of each other have a pretty egotistical view of the value of their content. Very few of the boosted posts deserve to be taking so much from the pool but, it doesn't mean they couldn't get something. Perhaps a bot will come along that is a middle point.

The bots aren't going anywhere until at least the Hardfork, communities and SMTs can change the way content is classified. Do what you can to grow and help, don't be 'too much' of a dick until then :)

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wise words

Great article. I havent been here long but I see exactly what you are talking about. I came to steemit for the community aspect with hopes of a little financial gain in the process. At this point, it looks like neither of these will exist in the future. Its actually kind of sad. I hit 200 followers in my first month simply by writing quality blogs and engaging in the community. I don't have the capital to invest, so it seems that my voice still goes unheard. The whales who are building their empires simply toss their rewards back and forth leaving us peasants to feed on the scraps. They sit in their thrones, laughing at us, as we struggle to make a change. Our efforts go unrecognized. Most of them won't even allow us poor souls to lick their fingers when they feed. Something is going to have to change or those of us who havent already went running to the hills, are going to die off. The longer this goes on, the worse it will get. As they gain more sp and more sbd the value of steem will drop equally thus making it impossible for us to survive. Even with the amount of work and dedication that people like myself put into this platform, it takes a substantial amount of time and effort to see miniscule gains. There needs to be some way to encourage those who bring value to steemit to stick around. Even if its as simple as a single up vote or comment from one of these empires every now and then. I understand that their votes are worth money and that's why they keep them for themselves. That goes against the design and will not work in the end. If things keep moving in this direction, steemit is done and steem will shortly follow. I guess I'll stick around and see it out until the end, but that's just because I'm a sort of odd person. Its like staying in a burning house because you just got new carpet. I'll be here to watch it burn with you unless someone can put it out.

I think that there is a healthy middleground. Let us call it "Asshole with a heart" for concenience sake. "Antihero" might be working as well.

Most people, if not all of them have at least the faintest of hopes that this platform will generate them at least some money. And there is a good chance for that to becoming a reality. These so-called assholes want this platform to do well longterm in order for them to continue milking it, and in order to do well, growth is a huge aspect.

So what everyone should aspire to be, for the sake of everyones wellbeing, including oneself, is to act in a way that is both profitable to oneself but also profitable to the general population. I have been around the block for just one week now, but I am starting to understand how these things work. I understand that things would have been way easier if one would have been a part of this months ago, but that is always the case.

That being said, there is still a lot of potencial to be had here, for everyone.

Not many think like you, that's one of the problems we are facing on steemit.

I am a community builder too, I believe in the present and the future of steemit, though things are not coming as expected yet, but the results will surely come as long as I'm adding value to the community.

It is obvious, with the way some people are going, they won't last on steemit, we want people that believe in steemit.

excellent post ... totally agree ...I have been saying for some time that the biggest problem with steemit is the bad distribution of wealth...unfortunately in the Hispanic community this is noticeable and very...although we have another problem that is the hypocrisy of the larger group that either find the way to fight it or it will destroy the rest of the community...
if we can not obtain external support from the powerful, the Hispanic community will no longer exist as such and only the populist tyrants will remain

I definitely can relate to this. I'm a newish member who has never powered down, invested what I could and try and encourage my followers with advice and vests the best way I can. I have seen this mirror the development of a "real" capitalist economy and the middle class always gets screwed. I applaud you as a long range thinker and like what you're saying here. Steemit is not sustainable without a healthy group of members who will lead this charge.

The bitter pill is usually the one that makes you heal faster. And that sucks.

I heard someone today saying that when you have over 500 sp (i just have a little over that) you are already amongst the 1% richest users on steemit.

That aint right. Everyboy should deserve to get there

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I heard someone today saying that when you have over 500 sp (i just have a little over that) you are already amongst the 1% richest users on steemit.

Yes, it was my article that is being mentioned.

https://steemit.com/steem/@tarazkp/are-you-a-steem-1-percenter-do-you-know-who-is

That aint right. Everyboy should deserve to get there

the reason is that for the last 2 years, so many have powered down or not converted their SP. 98% have less than 100 SP but with SBD so high over the last months, why? If more people had powered up a bit more, there would be more SP and eyes with the ability to support the community and help others grow. The entire mid range with significant value and are willing to vote still is literally a few hundred accounts.

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Its true, that amount of accounts are just not enough who are really willing to help others out

ps : really feel like a dick now that that was even your article mentioned :D

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ps : really feel like a dick now that that was even your article mentioned :D

Lol, I write so much that I am barely sure what is mine or not. People have quoted me and I haven't recognised my own words :D you are forgiven.

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hooray :D

everything centered on greed and selfishness of most early adoptors and super whales who looks at only the economic aspect of the platform without thinking about the community aspect and future growth of the platform. @ned should work out a more robust community platform where there will be different community boards similar to reddit and whereby the reward systems should be based on social interactions rather that voting

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Start an SMT.

I'm not an asshole hahaha, I passed the test. I'm a little concerned that besides the eventual upvotes I receive in the networking work I'm doing (reading, commenting, interacting, etc), I'm not earning nothing on any posts so it's difficult to me to invest in SP as fast as I want to. You always say that there is ever less pool available for distribution. I'm afraid I can not secure my future here if the pool gets dry.

Well, to put it in Marx' terms:

The problem is that steem is a 100% capitalistic thing.

There are the exploited masses, who write hours for a single dollar.
There are the rentiers, that just put their capital "to use" and need not do anything (much).

And, as in real life, the amount people get paid is inversely proportional to their use to society.
That also applies if you try to lift up others - you suffer.

I personally am still on the "lift myself up" stage, but I still try to be useful.
For example I already gave away 80 shares (steem) for @steembasicincome
I recommend you have a look at it, if you don't know it.

I feel anger in this post.

Too much anger. If you need to resort to swearing to make your point stand out - then you need to work better.

If swearing was all you did - that would be fine. But seeing you lose and swear like crazy isn't the best approach.

Anyway, the long-term aspect isn't something which happens. Community is made up of individuals who will lose, learn and then work to make it better. Sometimes they do it right the first time and sometimes the tenth time.

That's how connected, disconnected hoards of people work with each other.

Selfishness, blindness and lack of vision fuels the short term goal. And sometimes it just takes time.

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Too much anger. If you need to resort to swearing to make your point stand out - then you need to work better.

I think I will write a post on this. It is social convention making you judge others, not a clear view of the reality.

Community is made up of individuals who will lose, learn and then work to make it better.

When will they learn and how long until they are cut off completely for their inability to change course?

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Looking forward to your thoughts on social convention....

That is something that happens. A society doesn't change or evolve because 20 percent of the people are rational.

It takes its own sweet time until ...majority of the people follow the growth.

Good day Taraz

as someone trying to community build, everything you said here has played in my head a few times over. i actually read this post the other day, but had no time to leave a reply so came back today.

"The problem at the moment is that there isn't a significant amount of community thinker SP among active users and what there is, is helping the community grow and stay engaged while the assholes are building castles and empires. Unless we have castles of our own and people willing and able to support them, we are screwed in the long-term. I am sensitive to people's immediate needs but, there is a much bigger game being played and many more lives in the future that will potentially be helped."

All the SP is behind developers and Apps from what I can see. I understand the need to support these, but as a business operation, its only one department. I hope other 'departments' will be able to grow SP accounts via witnessing, but for that to happen SP holders must be willing to vote for these witnesses.

Interesting post, pointed to me by @slobberchops , and I agree... We are here for the community, at least I am... Power up whatever I can... I won't go as fast as I hope though lol.... But the long term vision is good, we'll need that with all the good community members.. The voting strategy is interesting too... I stopped self-voting quite quick after my first steps on steemit, it felt a bit like it wasn't integer... but the way you explain does make sense....

AWEsome ^^;