I Admit: I Use The Upvote Bots (And Here’s Why)

in #steem4 years ago (edited)


There’s a lot of contention on Steemit lately about the use of upvote bots.

At first, I personally stayed away from them as I found it distasteful to “pay myself” for my own content. That seemed antithetical to the nature of Steemit. Just like most people, I was under the impression that the primary intentions of Steem Inc. when making the Steem blockchain, was to enable bloggers and content creators to finally make the money they deserve. I was also under the impression that “free market forces” were the driving factor in determining content quality. Although this is essentially correct, I was wrong about one thing: the order of the priorities and intentions behind the Steem blockchain.

First and foremost, it’s important to understand that Steem Inc., Steemit.com, and the Steem blockchain are intrinsically capitalistic by design.

In the Steem White Paper Introduction on page 5 we read:

There are some key principles that have been used to guide the design of Steem. The most important principle is that everyone who contributes to a venture should receive pro-rata ownership, payment or debt from the venture. This principle is the same principle that is applied to all startups as they allocate shares at founding and during subsequent funding rounds.

(Italics mine)

What’s being said here is simple: The more money you invest the better you will do on Steemit.

This is why the basic cryptocurrency unit of the Steem blockchain is called a “Vest”, not “Steem”. Investments, private ownership, debt, venture, startups, and funding rounds, are all capitalistic concepts. Let me explain.


Most people who come to Steemit think they are at the open market.

The idea being that you have brought a product (your high quality content) to the market in hopes of trading it for Steem. You assume that your content has a value before arriving at the market, and that the “free and open Steemit market” will use the powers of “market choice” to determine the exact value of your content. You then hope to in turn use your hard earned Steem to purchase other goods or services.

(Quality blog content)(Steem)(Other goods and services)

This flow diagram shows how an open market works. This is not capitalism. It’s just an open market.

Capitalism’s primary concept is that money can make more money.

A starting capital investment can create a new product that in turn makes more money then the initial startup cost. The flow diagram for capitalism looks like this:

MoneyProductMore Money
(Initial starting investment)(A blog of some sort)(More Steem added to your investment)


The Bots Act Like An Automated Marketing Team

So, you put some starting capital into Steemit.com to get some Steem Power, which is nothing more than your ability to market your new “blog product”. Just like any venture capital startup, you need to grow your business or investors will not be happy (you will not be happy). You came here to make money, right? Like any innovative startup company, you have a top-notch marketing team that will promote your product and drive up sales. And that’s what the upvote bots do for you; they drive up “sales”. And at a fixed rate that actually earns. They help promote your content AND pay you back a little bit. Nice!

Bots Are Not What You Expect. Let’s Do The Math.

Regardless of the bot you use, you will be lucky to get a 300% upvote. More likely you will get 250%, which is what I found the average to be. So let’s say you pay an upvote bot 1 SBD, and in return you get a $2.5 STU upvote. Hey, pretty good, right? Not quite. Only 75% of that is yours, the rest goes to curation. So you get $1.875. However, that’s not 1.875 SBD, that’s 1.875 STU (Steem Token Units), which is split 50/50 into SBD and Steem Power. So that’s a return of 0.9375 SBD to the 1 SBD you paid. You just lost 0.0625 SBD. What about that Steem Power? Well that’s not 0.9375 Steem Power either. That’s $0.9375 USD worth of Steem Power, which of course depends on the current market price of Steem. As of this writing the price of Steem is currently at $3.21 USD. That means that’s an earning of 0.292056 Steem Power. If we were to magically convert that back into SBD without having to go through the 104 week power down process (at the time of this writing 1 SBD costs 1.02 SP which is nearly equal) we can say we earned a total of 1.23 SBD for the 1 SBD spent, but the earnings have gone straight to Steem Power, and are therefore not liquid, not something you can walk away with, not going to be a daily paycheck.

So How Are Others Making Money With Upvote Bots?

A post that gets upvoted gets seen more. It doesn’t matter if a real person or a bot did the upvoting. Enough upvotes per hour (and that earn a given amount per hour) will put your post in the “Hot” category, which in turn will cause even more people to see it. If enough people see your post, it’s more likely that someone might give you an upvote, and there’s your real profit. In this sense an upvote is a sale. You just “sold” your blog content, and at decent profit, thanks to the power of the upvote bots.

So What’s The Problem With Upvote Bots

To understand how people are abusing the upvote bots and the rewards pool, you must first understand a little bit about how curation rewards work. It’s important to note that the first 5 people who upvote within the first 30 minutes get the largest portion of the curation reward. That makes sense since someone who found the post first should get the largest portion. Curations can be thought of as a “finder’s fee.”

The Problem Comes From The Ability To “Self-Upvote” At The Last Hour

Imagine this, I make a Steemit account (or several accounts) and give it 100 Steem Power, just enough so my vote counts for something, like $0.01 STU. I make sure I have no followers so that no one sees or puts their upvote on my content.

Now, I make a post that simply contains an image, then upvote my own post about 30 minutes after posting it. For good measure I have one of my other accounts upvote it at the 30 minute mark as well. Then I wait 6 days, after which I pay 10 SBD to an upvote bot to upvote my post for 25 STU (just as described above). Not only do I get the earnings I described earlier, because I am the only one to upvote my own post I now get the curation reward as well, making the return on SBD much higher. Now imagine I just take all my profits to the exchanges, and use the returns to continue the process. This type of use of the Steemit network could be devaluing Steem, and should concern everyone who uses Steemit, especially those with large investments.

Think About It From A Whales Perspective

Whales have the largest to lose and the most interest in maintaining the value of Steem. In a capitalistic model, whales have the greatest responsibility for the quality of the “blog product” because they are in it for the long run, and in such a case “consumer satisfaction” plays its role.

Also, when a whale decides to invest a large amount, say $100,000 USD, it doesn’t make sense for them to use that Steem Power solely for upvotes and curations. There are actually more profitable things to do with that Steem Power such as leasing delegation of it to an upvote bot.

Whales also know that the constant distribution of their upvotes is what helps to maintain and increase the value of Steem. Put another way, there are only a few whales and a lot of content that requires upvoting. It makes sense for whales to invest in upvote bots so that they can ensure the distribution of Steem into the Steemit economy.


The First Great Steemit Whale War

In a capitalistic model, it also makes sense for whale investors to target as large of a market as possible. This includes running whale size upvote bots that take upvote bids at the last hour. This even includes running entire bot nets of upvote bots that only upvote One's own content. Even though this can be detrimental to the value of Steem, it may be very profitable for that particular whale. Other whales, who are more interested in “creating the dream of Steemit”, see this activity as considerably more detrimental then the first camp of whales, especially in the long run.

Upvote Bots Make Sense For Me And What I Do

I am here on Steemit.com to promote my website and the art, music, fashion, film and books that are on it. Steemit makes sense for me because I can bring to Steemit quality content, and Steemit allows me to help promote other artists without incurring a terrible overhead or cost burden. Instead, not only do I get to help put artists into a greater limelight, I get a little something in return for doing it. Which just makes sense. And I share the profits I get with the artists themselves, so everybody wins with the way that I’ve decided to use Steemit. The upvote bots make perfect sense for me as they do exactly what I came here to do: help me promote good content.

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Great article and well articulated. But...From a whale's perspective. Why don't they just get with a group of other whales and vote each other's content?! This the content you see (and I see) on the trending pages that nobody ever talks about. The whales voting for the same authors or the tit for tat circle back votes. It's so blatant it's disgusting - https://steemit.com/community/@martinsandersuk/i-m-asking-good-steemians-for-support-me-here-i-hope-to-survive-it-i-couldn-t-resist-it-said-something-that-needs-saying-out


@adonisabril @artoipum
they still do this, but they mostly use tribes to cover it up now.

Thank you for this article. Much of the information I have read concerning the functioning of Steemit is difficult for me to understand, and I am trying to progressively get a better grip on the system. Well I am an artist, not a mathematician and have used upvote bots just because I do my best to do the highest quality posts I can and want them to be seen. One thing seems obvious to me: the quality of content will make or break this initiative. I am following you as your explanations are excellent.

Thank you! That means a lot. Perhaps I'll write some more. :)

Wow ! Great explanation and post @artopium !! Well done , I actually read through the whole thing and have a much better understanding now of how the whole system works with the bots , which i do use as well for exactly the same reasons you do "Promote good content !" most of us are NOT Abusing the system !! Well deserving of a Upvote and resteem , also following now ! will be back to do the same in my @momskitchen account ! STEEM ON !!👍👍👍✌👍💲💲💲💲

:D thank you!

You've done a very good write up! Thanks, man! I use them for the same principle - to get more engagement from the real folks.

Keep up the good work!

That was really helpful for a newbie like me - I feel like I get it much more now. Thanks :)

Certainly. ;)

This was really insightful, being a semi new steemer myself. Thanks!

You bet. And thank you!

Nice dude. You really did some research here. I really didn't know much of anything about the bots. I think I totally agree with you though. They can be good, but also have the ability to be abused. Really interesting stuff my man.

At first I was against the use of bots and to me they were an affront to the whole creative process and is evil.

I have now changed my view as I see them as a necessary way for things to be allocated especially from a Whales standpoint because let's be honest there is just so many content out there and even with the dolphins, orcas and different curation guilds it can't be all covered.

Some great posts will still slip through the cracks.

The only bad is when upvote bots are abused by people who plagiarize, post one image or short content and then call on 5-6 different bots. It's good that a lot of witnesses and whales who operate these bots are starting to look at quality and banning abusers.

I laugh when I see these shitposters complain about their one image placeholder post not being upvoted and they are informed that are banned and thank you for the donation hahaha.

I use bots now to get some of what I think is my good quality posts and get them back to the trending page and hopefully get more eyeballs and upvotes for it.

I usually just use one upvote bot for a post but I have seen some people that call 4-10 bots to their post and its funny when they have more bot comment confirmation comments than actually comments from people. It's funny and sad because they are exploiting the system.

So am I for the removal of bots? No I am not because they are a necessary way to spread the wealth. Yet I am for more stringent guidelines against abuse.

We just can't have a Marvel post with one image and two paragraphs taken from wikipedia and paraphrased a bit so that Cheetah will not flag it and call 5-6 bots to upvote it. Just does not make sense to me and RIP to those who are creating good content.

Release the Kraken! You got a 33.33% upvote from @seakraken courtesy of @dnitz50!

You got a 1.24% upvote from @mercurybot courtesy of @dnitz50!

You got a 6.81% upvote from @bid4joy courtesy of @dnitz50!

I would like to request your permission to re-post this.

Also, if you set your rewards to "decline" then downvotes don't count against your rep...

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