The demise of the Spam Army

in #spam6 years ago

I know that there have been a significant number of people missing from the comments sections the last couple of days due to the issues on platform with RCs but, so has all of the spam comments also. Pretty nice really as whatever comments I received were almost guaranteed to be related to the topic and well thought out. Since people had to think a little more about their resources, they were more discerning about what they actually posted as a comment. I am not sure how this will change with the 10x RC multiplier but, let's see.

When people talk about poor engagement and quote the 'statistics like average comments per post, they never factor in other aspects. For example, did you know that there is a group of 10 spam accounts that produce about 10% of all posts each day? 240 posts each and they are not the only ones. Out of ~24,000 posts daily under normal conditions, it is a significant amount and means that it changes the average comments per post.

What about the bidbot comments? Most bidbots send an automated comment to the voted post but they only vote on ~0.7% of all posts on the platform. That is a lot of comments though that land on very few posts as many buyers buy more than one and stack them. By the way, they are now operational again which means the organic Trending page is going to again turn into the promoted tab. yay.

What is interesting is that while the spammers were unable to post and the bidbots weren't voting, those couple days meant that a lot of the engagement on the platform was organic engagement. Yes, many redfish and those with low active SP are missing however, it is still an opportunity that hasn't existed for a while where we could potentially see some interesting things on the platform through the way people were able to engage if some of the blockchain divers wants to take the time.

We can make some assumptions that all posts during that time were organic and all comments too. Although this might not be strictly true, it is close enough. We could see the average count of comments per post during this time and how it compared to others and, the averagecharacter count of those comments which could indicate more thoughtful engagements and 'space saving' due to RC depletion.

What will this tell us? I don't really know exactly but I do think those 2 or 3 days while the bots were down and people were recharging could give some clues to some rules of engagement and what kinds of accounts are interacting well and which aren't.

At least what I noticed on my own blog was that those with some access but who had to think about how they used it wrote more than normal, so did those who had freedom to do what they wanted. There were a lot less 5 word comments. Not that size matters but in general, every comment I got I would be more than happy to upvote as they all were on point and added to the conversations at hand. There was so little irrelevancy in what people spoke about it was amazing. This was observational of course and I tend to get decent comments on my posts but the last days, no spam. none.

Without the automated noise of the system we could get a different view of the platform and despite the circumstances that it was achieved, we might be able to learn some lessons other than, how not to do a hardfork. Perhaps seeing this more organic view would help people better understand what is necessary to be successful on the platform considering, the ones that could comment are also likely the ones who have been able to get to a point they don't have as much resource problems. It could also tell about what kind of engagement levels are required to really be part of the community as the people who were commenting are the ones who are also the most active across the platform on any given day.

I don't know if it will be useful at all, but it seems like an opportunity too good to waste. Especially, considering the unintentional suffering that ran alongside it. I have some other things I find interesting that might come up over the next days but, I will wait to see if they pan out the way I think they might. I have mentioned to some people in chats though to keep my predictions somewhat accountable.

Before I go though, hhere is a shoutout to @nonameslefttouse who ran his own experiment on a spammer which you can read the results of here. Engagement on the platform can work in mysterious ways :)

I don't know about you, but for those who could engage and post over the last few days, did you miss the spam?

Taraz
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Early signs are good!

It's difficult to judge on this alone if we are losing bots or engaged people but I'm certainly not missing the spam.

I think it's both bot and real people as well. It's bound to definitely happen

Yes I think so, to to know what % is what at present..

so as expected though, we lost more than half (estimates of automation are about 50%?) so September 26this 33% of total of September 14th. meaning we lost 25% of real people too.

Going to be interesting :)

25% of people, likely to be mostly < 500 SP accounts, but I know of a few dolphins who've had a rest too.

Well you're more than right, I think the phishers will at least find it difficult to scam people without paying to buy steempower, this is a positivity I see about HF20.
Another brilliant one from the master mind himself

I think the phishers will at least find it difficult to scam people without paying to buy steempower, this is a positivity I see about HF20.

It will at least slow them down for the time being.

Another brilliant one from the master mind himself

Dr Evil? ;D

Lol Dr Brilliant or Evil genius if you please. 😀😀

Himself's experiment/observations seems to agree with yours (or maybe you agree with Himself, I forget who wrote first, whatever you both agree).

Also, no measly rc limitation is going to stop me from being a commentupgoat spattercannon, so there ;D

eta: accidentally chopped out the bit where I said I'm quite happy to see less spam at some point while editing.

Also, no measly rc limitation is going to stop me from being a commentupgoat spattercannon, so there ;D

lol. i would delegate to you just to make sure you can post :D

^_^

I'm doing alright, I'll eventually claw my way into whaledom and then probably delegate a huge chunk to community accounts or something because I'm not mature enough for great responsibility.

I think that's one of the reasons that make this platform so special. On Youtube, Instagram and co you'll find mostly bots commenting your content, here there are real people sharing their real impressions!
Not every engagement is worth the same, I'm glad the spam comments are gone (:

THey are only gone for the moment, they will be back but hopefully, not in the same numbers.

The trending page really was interesting while the bidbots were away. It was good to see.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing how things go in the coming months. It's not going to be easy for newcomers, but I believe the community will step up and help support those that genuinely try and want to interact. @nonameslefttouse made a good point on that.

It's not going to be easy for newcomers, but I believe the community will step up and help support those that genuinely try and want to interact.

Once the infra is in place it will be easier but in the short-term, it will be the community who has to step up.

I never got much spam so can’t say I’ve noticed. Glad to hear it’s made a notable difference for others though.

I learned quite a few things from the incident. I still didn’t look at the Trending page since I never do. I imagine it was mostly orcas.

I n the end so long as we’re using amount of SP as a determinant for power on the platform, you get dominance either by those who have a lot they own or a lot they buy as they go with bidbots.

I love the introduction of UA scores and hope to see a lot more done with that in the future. It will still be the case that more SP helps one, because giving more upvotes gets more people engaged. But you at least have to be contributing value to the platform to get a high ua score even with that.

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I learned quite a few things from the incident. I still didn’t look at the Trending page since I never do. I imagine it was mostly orcas.

No quite some variety, it was dominated by accounts that were willing to vote at lower percentages though. number one spot had 44 dollars on it at one point. I made it top ten yesterday with 47.

I love the introduction of UA scores and hope to see a lot more done with that in the future.

There are going to be lots of variations of these types of identifiers over time and different interfaces will incorporate the ones that best suit their use case.

I think you got someone else’s statement in your first quote there. I’m not remotely considering getting into any RC exchange activity.

But to the second quote, yes it’s the SMTs that come out with different rules about power and possibility that interest me. I’ll be looking at those to bring new people into when they are available. In the meantime I seem to be able to function normally again, albeit without any of my developing nation followers.

oops.

fixed it, it was about the orcas thing.

But to the second quote, yes it’s the SMTs that come out with different rules about power and possibility that interest me.

These will offer a lot of versatility from my understanding and empower each to be whatever it wants within the confines of the underlying chain.

albeit without any of my developing nation followers.

I think that there will be options coming to help this but I don't know when or how so it would be based on my speculation.

I think we will see a divergence going forward as well as spammers will need to be more selective on how to use their Resource Credits. The same with the bots which have more issues as they engage in many micro transactions that could be costly to their resources. The great thing about all of this is that data will not be available to evaluate which could provide with proper analysis to continue adjusting to limit abuse while not impacting value added posts by smaller accounts. I personally think that the 10x patch went too far as I am seeing the RC recharge too quickly for myself which I can say being an above average user (commenter at least). Unless I can give or delegate some of my RC to some who need it to add value, there will continue to be excess in thr system.

Unless I can give or delegate some of my RC to some who need it to add value, there will continue to be excess in the system.

I am pretty sure that it will arrive in time and will likely see market places for it. What this means is that you can keep what you need to function, keep your mana to vote with and still rent out RCs. the implications of that are huge ;)

As obvious as it is I never really thought of this. Good point, a lot of spam has been reduced over the last few days and the comments do seem to be more meaningful, engaging and thoughtful.

That is a bit alarming that 10 spam accounts make up 10% of the posts each day. I was not aware of that.

Good point, a lot of spam has been reduced over the last few days and the comments do seem to be more meaningful, engaging and thoughtful.

This was always one f the planned side-effects.

That is a bit alarming that 10 spam accounts make up 10% of the posts each day. I was not aware of that.

Crazy isn't it? there are more of course. The estimate is that about 50% of all posts are automated. Then, add the automated comment bots in...

It is positive in all aspects if it gets rid of spam. I didn't know what to think as when I did my first post after hard fork I was hit by flaggie. Bragging that he could comment lol. It is still early days and maybe Haiku wasn't too bad as it was funny at times.

I hope everything gets better soon. Everywhere I went I talked about Steemit. I am not sure how it really works now. I wasn't able to explain the RC to the last woman I talked with. Lost in Space. Lol.
I'll get there. Still researching. :)
Joy

If you are trying to get people interested, stay away from the technicalities or promises of money :)

Well I better start writing apology letters to my recent recruits...lol
Thank you for your time and effort in this.
Joy

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