Proof of Reading - POR -- Self-Voting comments is a good thing...
As you all know I have been campaigning for voting for comments. I know you are probably tired of my image, but I am going to run with it again.
If you follow me you know, I not only do not buy into the current idea that self-voting is bad, I am annoyed by the whole thing. I won't go on about this too much other than to say, everything is acceptable, but not everything is beneficial. I am considering flagging those who write about it. If you are reading, writing and engaging with the content on SteemIt, I think you deserve a vote. Many users are not and shouldn't be trying to be content creators. I want to give them a reason to stay. I want them to make meaningful comments and further engagement. If they give themselves a few cents along the way, good for them! I feel that some of you that are harping on this really need to check your reasoning. If you are offended by those who are not contributing focus on that. THIS IS THE PRIMARY REASON TO HOLD SP.
There is nothing wrong with self-voting especially if you are reading and manually writing comments and engaging in the platform.
Moving away from the negatives...
Please consider voting on comments that show POR. (Proof of Reading) Let's encourage users to comment. I am not voting on posts at 1-5% and voting on comments at 1-25%. I will be looking posts from users that I follow, and up-voting the comments higher than the post. I feel engagement is good for the platform and I want to support it. I will not receive much in the way of curation for this, but I think it is beneficial for the platform. I am also going to up vote some of my own comments to show the community not everyone thinks voting on your own comments are bad.
Happy Steeming.
I am ready to reward POR
Whether you are agree or not, feel free to comment, I am not offended by different view points.
I 100% agree that self-voting should be encouraged. My thinking is this: I should upvote content (whether that is posts or comments doesn't matter) that I deem to be valuable. I also believe I should only post content that is valuable. Therefore, if I post something, I believe it has value and therefore it deserves an upvote. If I post something that isn't deserving of my own upvote, then why am I even posting it in the first place?
I agree with you regarding self upvoting of comments. It is currently the right of everyone to do it however I have one caveat. I had a commenter a couple of days ago who wrote a comment, self voted $12 and didn't vote for the post.
I thought that was rude. To use my post as a catalyst for self payment and not share the wealth even a little bit is bad etiquette IMO.
Upvoted you and my comment 😀
I've had that exact thing happen to me and it drives me nuts. Most of my community are minnows. Dedicated but new to the platform and don't have a lot of SP. So, they do the right thing and I make $0.40. Then some guy comes in says, "great post" and pays himself $1.00 and me nothing.
That's just beyond rude.
Thank you for engaging in the conversation
And thank you for caring so much about it. I, like you, feel Steemit is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to take control of both our content and our time. We are the drivers of value but to this point it's been the middle men making all the money.
And the community needs to realize this and use the power of the comment as well as the post itself to remunerate them for their time and ours.
I totally agree with the bad etiquette thing. There's nothing more demoralizing than taking the time to read someone's content, give them a comment (not 'good job' etc.) To have them reply 'thanks' then up vote that reply and get $1 but not up vote the minnow who gave the comment and bothered to read their post! I do realise however that some posters need to recharge their voting power and will delay in up voting comments, but some people are just plain rude
I appreciate you taking part in the conversation. If you only have so many votes a day, it can be hard to figure out how to use them.
OMG I totally hate it when they do that, also even if they don't selfvote, I always get a number of replies, that have not voted on my post. I always upvote any post that I respond to.
Nice self-voting. Good job. You also showed POR.
Well, but I don't understand the discrimination being made between a post and a comment. Why! Some of my comments are much detailed and analytical than many posts. Why shouldn't they deserve better than posts?
I find it good that Steemit platform don't distinguish between a post and a comment and reflect both in the total post count. Why should we discriminate them while voting? Voting should always be done on the merit of content. If POR is necessary then there should be another feature for it. But Voting shouldn't be used as "POR" ...as you call it.
BTW is this post in retaliation to @stellabelle's recent post? 😜
If you look at my blog, I have been covering the topic. I was going to give it a rest until I saw @steelabelle s post.
To be clear, I think she is a great Steemian, who has engaged really well with the platform and is someone I respect and enjoy greatly. I think she can handle a bit of debate.
Sorry, I missed those posts! Will check them later, for sure. I agree that this whole point is quite confusing. And both sides have some good arguments.
P.S.:
I didn't mean to comment anything on @stellabelle per se. What I was thinking is that there are several occasions when I get a lot many ideas for posts while reading through comments but I never make one. It takes me a hell lot of time to create a post. I was really impressed with the alacrity with which you did this job. I was just confirming that. It also shows how close this issue is to your heart. I'm really inspired by your speed. Thank you!
amen
I been saying this for a while now. The mass is not a proper writer. and thats cool, or else the writers have no readers:)
Exactly and when there is no longer any reason to hold steem power, who will vote then? There are a handful of people making a dumb mistake by trying to earn with zero effort.
Due to the wrong focus of the "End self-voting" campaign, I find very little reason to hold steempower
We have to build this thing together. Being motivated and not losing the motivation Are very important Parts of steemit otherwise their would not be anything here.
You're right, self voting is not a bad thing. I have used it when I thought my comment should get more visibility, closer to the top of the page.
However, I believe that this feature- as every good thing in life- should be used in moderation.
It's my firm belief that everyone should contribute($value) as much to the community as they do to themselves. I don't see this unique model working, or succeeding if the majority of people only reward themselves exactly what their stake allows.
It's my opinion that the economy, quality and environment depend heavily on the greater community behaving in a way that allows the platform to grow.
If rampant "abuse" is encouraged, it will soon drive legitimate creators and curators away from the platform. Investors will see lower ROI and move somewhere else. New people will have an almost impossible barrier to entry and the quality will tank as the spamfest grows out of control.
I truly hope this isn't the ultimate fate of steemit, but we can already see the signs.
My feelings may change, but with everyone focusing on everyone else and writing posts about what everyone else is doing, I am bored for the first time in a 11-months and 2 weeks. I see no reason to continue to hold SP which has nothing to do with self-voting it has to do with I am not benefiting from holding it.
If I want to donate to a charity there are more meaningful ways to do it than to hang out on steem and upvote posts.
My investment was in the future of Steem and growing my own account. If I can't use the account for anything beneficial, I see no point in investing.
I'm sorry to hear that you're bored by hearing about so many people complaining. I don't think there would be such a wide consensus if there was truly no issue to see.
Was self voting the only reason you chose to power up and hold in the first place?
I don't consider voting on other people as charity. I consider it a way to thank them for their efforts and show they that the content is valuable to me.
I learn from them, befriend them, and gain value along side them as they also reward me for the value I provide. I believe this is exactly the kind of relationship the world needs.
I'm confused why you feel this way at the same time as giving so much to people while encouraging post interaction. It's clear that you truly believe in the success of the community. Why do you think you aren't allowed to reward yourself and be rewarded by others at the same time?
Yesterday I was moved by your initiative and thought your post deserved much more than the .10 I am able to provide with my stake. Luckily I was able to utilize whaleshares to give you a %100 vote from officialfuzzy because I truly believe that your actions are worth every bit of the rewards.
I hope you will come to enjoy your time here once again, don't lose faith in the platform, I'll never lose faith in you.
No, if you look at my voting history I very rarely upvote myself. That is not the point at all. The point is the content.
Hey I wondered how officialfuzzy voted for me, and thank you very much for that!
My problem with seeing the value of the future of steemit has to do with how many ways we are discouraging engagement.
This is no way to grow a community that is going to impact the price of steem. Maybe I am just in a bad mood.
I was investing in the future of steem, and I am not saying I wouldn't hold steem, I am saying I don't see any point in powering up my account. I would rather hold liquid steem. What is the value of tying up my investment in Steem Power?
I truly didn't think that was the case, but I was confused by your statement haha.
It's true that there are a number of things that could be improved upon. Creating a discussion and exploring the issues/options is an important step in the process of repairing the mechanisms. Whether or not the people who can do something about it take notice is entirely up to them.
I understand where you are coming from. You surely didn't feel the same way when steem was priced at .20 each. What has changed since then?
Watching the reaction when we get new-users. My view is that we gain value to the Steem Currency when we get new users and new eyes on the platform.
Eyes = Investors.
There is just too many people worried about pennies while quarters and dollars are dropping out of our reach.
When the price was .20 cents I could dream of what my SP was going to mean to me.
I have a decent sized account, and I don't see how that is a better value than investing and trading. Again, I am not talking about selling all of my steem. I just don't know why I would keep it locked up in SP.
Thank you so much for the randowhale. I appreciate it, as well as your upvotes!
It's true that some new users have negative reactions. I wish I could help them with whatever the problem is, but I understand that their fear of something so new will resolve if they only clear their mind and give it a real chance.
This reminds me of a line I once heard in a song. "How can I make sense(cents) when I got millions on my mind?"
To me, locking up a portion of your stake means that you can influence the big picture with it. I can reward the type of behavior I support and encourage. I vote for the witnesses whom I believe to truly want what's best for the future of steemit. I flag things that I don't feel are acceptable.
Some people have decided to turn their stake into an even greater source of income. (randowhale, booster, OCD, whaleshares, etc.
You've had 11.5 months to dream about this day. What have you come up with?
No self voting comments is too abused, @tremendospercy is right there are a bunch of people who comment your post, up vote themselves (and hefty sums 5-to-10 dollars) and don't even up vote your posts. I seriously think self up voting comments should be eliminated. As for POR they can read your post, make a related comment and still up vote themselves, and in that case you would say it is ok? POR is proof of nothing when it comes to up voting yourself.
I've been here for 11.5 months, posting, reading commenting and engaging. I have bought and earned every once of Steem Power in my account.
Not everyone is a content creator and engaging in the comments is a good thing.
The focus of this effort is wrong, and I no longer see any point in building my account.
We will see how everyone likes it when nobody is holding Steem Power, there will be nobody left to vote on those
"posts".
The more you write on these topics, the more I have to agree with you. This Proof Of Reading concept is a great way to go at this and I will follow the idea behind this as much as I can. Big up on this on sir!
is there a new update coming/ I have read at least 5 articles about upvoting today? did I missed something?
I think those who are writing about it have the best intentions, but I think it is misguided. It is a fad thing. Topics matter on SteemIt.
Fake news hehehe
@whatsup self voting is a nessecity for those who dont havemuch followers or not good at writing like me everyone here on steemit is for rewards and we have to get it some way #upvote