BRAINSTORMING our PH participation in recent steemit_awards 2020 contest
INTRODUCTION
First of all: I would like to wish for all of you to still be a part of our community by the end of 2021. Every year, new members are joining and some older ones are disappearing. Hopefully, this year we will manage to grow without losing anyone from our community.
I also want to THANK YOU all for your supportive nominations towards Project.hope in the "Steemit Awards 2020" challenge.
Hopefully, I can take 10minutes of your time as well today, as I would like to brainstorm some issues with all of you and learn your opinion on the discussed topic.
IMPORTANT DISCUSSION with Adity
Just today, I had an interesting discussion with @adityajainxds, which I would like to share with you (some of our Project.Hope core team members).
Just a short introduction first: several weeks ago Adity suggested an idea of launching HOPE token on hive-engine. As much as I liked this direction, I've shared my concerns with him.
Those concerns are strictly related to support, which we've been receiving as a community from Xpilar (our current major rival in "Steemit Awards 2020" challenge).
He has been supporting PH since the very beginning, and he was the first one of a very few large "whales" who joined our curation trail. Which allowed Project.hope to spread its wings. So losing his support would hurt, and it's something I never want to do.
So why am I worried?
MY DYLEMA
I'm concerned that by launching HOPE token on Hive-engine we would look like we're taking sides in conflict between those 2 blockchains. And he potentially could limit his support towards PH in the future.
It's not a secret that Xpilar has been targeted by some HIVErs in the past and currently he doesn't like Hive at all.
I've been worried that creating our own token on HE may affect support received from Xpilar and his community (he is managing a few large accounts, having total over 500k SP).
At the same time, SMTs were not delivered yet and Steem-engine is dead. So Hive-engine may be the only option. And I'm not saying that HOPE tokens will be launched, but I would like to have such an opportunity. I would like to be able to make decisions without feeling much external pressure.
Hope so far I'm making sense?
SUGGESTED SOLUTION
Please allow me to copy+paste part of my chat with Adity:
I've an idea how to handle Xpilar and reduce risk of him stopping support towards PH (in case if we would decide to launch HOPE token on hive)
Currently, PH is his main competitor for Steemit awards 2020. We've tons of nominations.
I want to pull out in second round from this challenge and officialy give my vote to Xpilar to his community "World of Xpilar" and ask all our members also to support him as a community builder and as a best community
This way he will more unlikely reduce his support towards PH.
At the same time, I'm afraid that if we would win (even second or 3rd place) then we will only attract more hostile attention on hive. And that it would only backfire. Plus STINC is pressuring everyone to post ONLY on Steemit.
So I'm not sure if I would like PH to be one of winners. And if I would decide to pull-out then ... let's do it in a way which would help our allies (xpilar community) and "cement" our current friendship with Xpilar.
SHARE YOUR VIEW
Naturally, I would like to hear your opinion as well. So please, think about it and share your feedback ASAP (before 5th of January).
DO NOT RESTEEM
Please do not resteem
Yours,
Piotr
Hi @coach.piotr
1- I like your idea for leaving the competition of steemit award because if we win then for sure it would be highlighted and on Hive it may not be good because of anti-steemit. I support your idea of withdrawing the nomination if possible now and support the xpillar.
2- talking about token- As far as I know then utility is very important with any token. I am not against having tokens instead its a good idea but before going further we need to check a few things ..
a) if we create a token with HE then do you think that if the steemit team gets to know about it then how will they react and it could be a reason to lose support from many steemians?
b) I can see that on Hive-engine there are 100+ tokens with no value because the community has not shown interest. Few tokens like Leo and CTP etc are doing good because they good support by the Hive community. I have seen people downvoting project-hope posts many times. I doubt if they don't support then only project hope family is enough to drive the token economy forward?
c) Right now we are in both steemit and Hive but after token launch, if we lose steemit support and on Hive mostly whales are not supporting PH then how would you manage?
this is my opinion about this post.. Thanks.
Thanks for dropping by and sharing your view with me @alokkumar121
I trully appreciate your time.
Stay safe,
Piotr
I believe Project Hope has grown into its own entity. As such, much could be gained by instituting a SteemSpecialistsTeam. I'm sure a core group of writers and researcher WITHIN Project Hope could provide leadership for Steemit content. I myself am on several platforms but would be more than happy to follow easy-to-digest leadership strategies for posting on Steemit. Maybe the SteemSpecialistTeambyPH are covering recent development proposals- and in support of their effort, they ask that each PH member create one post that contributes to the discussion as well as commenting on theirs and other posts they identify as important to the matter at hand. This strategy would sort of branch off of how Piotr keeps the PH community healthy while adding core support to Steemit. In other words, the PH community already successfully implements this strategy- it would just be refining it for partnerships (e.g. Xpilar) and the larger ecosystem. So what if some of us still post on Hive. It is Steemit that is nurturing its core infrastructure of content creators at the moment.
Thanks for dropping by and sharing your view with me @machnbirdsparo
I trully appreciate your time.
Stay safe,
Piotr
You are bigger than I thought, I am impressed by your humility, you have my full support, it seems to me that you analyze everything very well, you really are a genius, let's support xpilar then, count on me
P.D. The hope token would be something very beautiful, I hope one day it happens
Hi @ramsesuchiha
I'm not as big as I used to be :P Getting old and shrinking every year lol :P
The community deserves it's own token (if a good tokenomics and technology plan is available), it's a no-brainer for me. While I value the steemit awards, it's something we can sacrifice for a greater good. Xpillar has contributed well to the steem community and deserves the award as much the community and @crypro.piotr, anyone who wins it amongst this two is OK for me. A token will boost the community especially if it's well planned and managed.
That been said, I'm comfortable with the decision above and will be willing to do my own part as regards it.
Appreciate your feedback @joelagbo
Greetings @crypto.piotr.
Before starting to upload content for PH, I had already noticed that the community was a target for attacks from powerful accounts on both platforms, certainly winning would make us a perfect target to revive those attacks, and there the scenario will be completely adverse for PH's growth.
I understand the dilemma, I sensed it from the beginning, I think the most convenient thing in the second round will be to support Worldofxpilar. I would like to close with a phrase from Blaise Pascal, "The greatness of a man lies in knowing how to recognize his own smallness", our virtue in this complex scenario, recognizing our vulnerabilities, therefore, it is necessary to continue consolidating our community muscle as we have been doing, new opportunities to grow will come.
Thanks for your valuable comment @lupafilotaxia
Hi @coach.piotr
It's really sad to choose to give up just so that we don't attract hostile attention from others, but this is today's reality ...
At the same time, I fully understand your rationality and wisdom in giving up the contest in order to keep PH community away from retaliatory attacks.
In some cases, it's wise to make one step back in order to take two steps ahead in the future
I think that I got from your words that you consider leaving the contest either way. If that is the case, then it's best to leave with providing support to our allies.
So personally, I will not be disappointed at all to give my vote to Xpilar since he has been supporting PH community
Hopefully, time will eventually be able to mitigate this polarization between Hive and Steem...
Regarding the "hope" token, I frankly haven't yet understood what the real value it could hold or the incentive it could provide, even though I find it in itself an exciting idea...
Thank you for sharing your thoughts :))
Thanks for dropping by and sharing your view with me @qsyal
I trully appreciate your time.
Glad to know that we're on the same page here.
Stay safe,
Piotr
I think we should cost vote for xpilar in next phase of voting.
For PH Token, I think it can be developed later this year after completing all the necessary requirements. It will pick up value with the passage of time.
I so much admire your vision, your time, and the energy you use to build this community! So, of course, it is logic to consider the HOPE token and more.
To be honest, I am quite sure that Xpilar has already noticed this discussion, but I would most likely just try to get a conversation with the guy and explain the situation and hear his thoughts. I believe that an open discussion with only good intentions might be the best way to strengthen that relationship, and then you will see what comes out of it!
I don't see the HOPE token as a blooming token now at first, but it might get some value over time (who knows). So, it could be fun to try, just for fun and who knows... but I, personally, have a hard time seeing that it will be good for anything else than just the experiment in itself!
Thank you for this comment @unbiasedwriter
Have a little faith hahaha :)
Anyway, I agree that it would be wise to talk to Xpilar. However, I first need to "talk" to all those people who nominated Project.Hope. I need to ensure that they understand my line of thinking and my decision. Right?
Yours, Piotr
the steemit awards is really a complicated issues to discuss on but here is what i see to it. we have xpilar and the xpilar community as a rival in this and deciding to opt out and give the support to them is somehow thoughtful but shouldnt be on the bases that he do support us and might not support if we compete, that is really wrong.
as a supporter, he supported the hope community because he believe in it, and he will be hoping we keep progressing while he keep supporting us not the other way around. The fear shouldnt be there. am not against support xpillar community because if he win, it is still to our own advantages (support) but we should know that if we cant do this and pull out, in future we will keep pulling out.
About the Hope token, it is far beyond the creating a token, the goals, objective is more important, the reason, why and useful should be look into and about the engine it should be on, that will be an issue because the community is trying to stay neutral to what is actually going on, that should be on hold till both engines are working fine so it can be on both
BIG THX for this comment @valchiz
Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
My fear is that Xpilar would pull out his support to PH if he would learn that we've launched HOPE token on hive-engine (sometime in the future). Not because we're his rivals in this contest.
Also I'm planning to pull out from this contest, to avoid again being targetted by HIVE-haters (since it's hard for them to accept that PH is trying to be neutral).
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts with me.
Stay safe,
Piotr
Hi Piotr
I have gone through the post and here is my option-
I would like to ask if this is going to be the same token as Leo, CTP, sports, etc, or something different because if it's the same then I doubt that the Hive community will support it.
Thanks.
Thanks for dropping by and sharing your view with me @reeta0119
it would be VERY different from those tokens. Can we discuss an idea behind HOPE token on Discord?
Yours, Piotr
Thanks, Piotr.
I am glad to have more details about the token and I must say that this idea is superb.