Ban Men
I am a cis, mostly straight Ashkenazi Jewish man from Israel, which is the local equivalent of being a white dude. So I know whereof I speak when I say this: #banmen. Because we're trash.
If the past couple of years have shown us anything, they have shown us this: Men will take advantage of their power in a plethora of vile ways, from the subtle to the extremely unsubtle. Because we're trash.
At this point, some of you may want to call me a "self hating man." I'm not. Despite anxiety and occasional bouts of depression, I like me. But if you were gonna write that? I probably don't like you. Because why? Because you're trash.
Now let's get this out of the way. #notallmen. Okay? Does anyone still need to be told that when someone says "men are trash" they don't mean "every single man on the planet is trash"? If you do. Here it is.
It is at this point that you may want to write about how if someone wrote "women are trash," I'd be there to condemn them, and doesn't that say I'm sexist? Well, no. Because criticizing the privileged and making fun of them (us) for being trash is not the same as criticizing the marginalized and making fun of them. Because structures of power exist in society, and we don't live in a vacuum. Which is good, as we would all die.
That sure was a lot of caveats, huh?
Here's the thing. Due to being physically stronger, on average, men have established a dominant position is most societies a long time ago, and haven't relinquished them. Most CEOs are men. Most high ranking politicians are men. And it's not because of a gap in ability. It's because of a gap in opportunity, both overt and covert.
Let's talk about the covert stuff, because if you're not aware of the overt part I really don't think we can have a productive discussion.
If a man harasses a woman and faces no repercussion, the result will often be that the woman will walk away. From the company, from the industry. Because when you've experienced that a system is rigged against you, you are likely to decide not to participate in that system. When people say "oh, but we'll lose that dude's great talent," they're ignoring the great talents of women who were never given a shot because of that dude.
And so I return to my previous modest proposal: Ban men. Not from society as a whole. Not from any industry. Just from positions of power. And not forever. Let's give it 5 years and see where it goes, okay?
Or we could try, collectively, to not be trash. But I'm not gonna hold my breath for that one.
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I think you're making a false assumption. You're making the assumption that men are trash because they're men. Men are not trash because they're men, men are trash because they have power.
People are trash when they have power, regardless of gender.
In stereotypical American marriage (and probably other cultures, like Japan), the woman has power over the man in many regards. She does all the shopping, and essentially controls where the household money goes. The woman can, and did withhold sex strategically to get what she wants.
People are selfish. People are trash. I am selfish. I am trash too.
People need to feel superior. It is far easier to feel superior to an entire group of people, rather than individuals. Germans felt superior to everyone that wasn't German. Power. Just the other day a friend posted on facebook that her son is going through boot camp, and there are 12 women in his squad (she didn't say out of how many, but I'm assuming a squad here is Mahlaka, which is 30-60 afaik). He said that women do everything that the men do, at the same difficulty. This somehow pissed him off. This took away his feeling of superiority. When women get pardoned on some tasks, men complain. When women don't get pardoned, they complain. Men want to feel superior, and how better to feel superior than to feel superior to an entire gender. That's half the population.
I like to feel superior. I just choose my feeling of superiority based on other parameters than gender. I feel superior to religious people. I feel superior to trump voters. I feel superior to like 90% of the population based on IQ. I have many ways to feel superior. Men feel superior to women because they can. They are physically stronger. They are brought up to feel superior. They are promised superiority from day 1.
What can men do to change this? Actively go against it. Hire the woman that is equal in skill to the man. Give a raise to the woman that asked for it, without negotiating with her. And the really easy one, don't fucking harass women.
I'm not making that assumption. I'm making that hypothesis. Every piece of serious data we have on this is based on a patriarchal system. To test my hypothesis that men are, as previously stated, trash, we just remove the power element and then... well... then we'll see.
Then we'll see more women with power, and shock of shocks, discover that they too behave like trash.
You need to go back to elementary school and re-learn the world ALL.
By the way, you, like most male feminists, are giving ALL women a pussy pass. How many women slept with Weinstein ON PURPOSE in order to get an acting job, or some other favour? Now 20+ year later when their career is over, and their looks are gone, they come out for that last 15 minutes of fleeting fame. But hey, I keep forgetting the feminist mantra of "Men bad. Women Good."
Guys like you make me vomit.
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I definitely meant as a thought experiment more than anything else. Would be nice though, wouldn't it?
In other news.. i hadnt heard about al franken and aziz ansari!!!! Waaat?
Franken resigned over it, making him one of the few to actually have repercussions. The Ansari thing is very new. Google and get bummed out.
Ansari thing was nothing more than a bad date with a woman who was so STUPID she was unable to say NO for half an hour. Once she finally says no, she still manages to give him a blowjob before leaving his appartment. The chick is screwed in the head (literally and figuratively).
I gave you a full upvote even though I strongly disagree with your opinion. As I said over chat yesterday, and I am actually going to copy paste:
Men are NOT trash. Society is trash. Society MAKES men trash. All men have mothers. Do their mother teach them to disrespect women? No. Society does as a whole.
If you want to replay the discussion from last night here in the comments: I will happily participate.
Also, I wonder if @sean-king has mention notification. #trolololo
As I wrote you last night, society being trash and men being trash are not mutually exclusive, a point you actually make by saying "society MAKES men trash." If society makes men trash, then we're trash. Is it our fault? Collectively? no. Individually? of course.
But this is not about fault. It's about how things are. And how things are is that every day a find out about another prominent dude being terrible in ways that are specific to being a dude (and also men and women being terrible in ways which aren't gender specific). I was a huge fan of Al Franken's. For many years. In fact, of the 9 men I picked for my graphic there, 5 are men I have been a fan of. It is disheartening and upsetting. And really, that's what this post is: An expression of anger.
I accept that. There are things and perceptions held by members of my gender that piss me off just as much. Sorry for the womansplaining. :)
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Lena Dunham comes to mind.
I do agree. and i think everyone has the opportunity to rise above society. In fact many mothers donteach their sons bad behaviors because the mothers engange and allow such things to exist in their lives. I know of love based on how i saw my mom interact with me . Thusly, i was afraid of penises until about 27. No matter how sweet the guy was. Lol! Its ridiculous to me now. Such a thing is merely esh and quite vulnerable too!
But ive exposed a very important secret so i digress. For me: Men are innocent until proven trash but get no passes for being asleep. Society fucks us all up. Its our job to move beyond that and to challenge ourselves and others everyday.
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Shut up with this generic comment. FFS
You can only say this because you haven't seen women in power.
Most women, when the get power are tyrants.
They lack the physical presence, so they make it up with emotionally manipulative practices.
Currently women shout, "my body, my choice". Well, when women get in power, it is your body, their choice. They will decide who is suitable and capable to breed.
With women in charge, wars become covert things. Not covert like the CIA, but something in the background of every deal. Something that you can't fight about and get it over. An every present hostility.
Men have natural leadership tendencies. It comes with the testosterone. So, you will get like 10% of men who are good at leading. Women leaders are less that 1%. Further, in polls, women prefer working for men, than women.
#banmen is a tiny group (The Powers that shouldn't Be) trying to get women to destroy themselves and society.
It has no practical benefit. It won't fix anything. It is just getting women to blame all of their problems on an external focus. And since women have an in-group gender preference, it is really easy to get them to hate #allmen.
Women are also seeking to perfect their sexual strategy. It used to be that women had to settle for a beta guy, because it was one husband / one wife. Now, with welfare and women working, they do not need the beta guy, what they want is the alpha.
So, women are clearly stating, they want all the beta men to just go disappear, and leave them to fucking the alpha men. Or basically, they are looking to form harems.
And men still do all the dirty jobs, all the mechanical jobs, all the necessary infrastructure jobs. Women focus on the few guys at the top, and ignore (as in don't even see) the men at the bottom.
Of course I've seen women in power. Some have been bad, some have been terrific. But the thing is, women who get power today get it in a patriarchal system, and some of them adopt the ways of the system to get ahead.
That's how you get the Margaret Thatchers of the world. Women who, in order to get ahead in a man's world, feel they must be twice as vicious.
As for the alpha and beta crap, you just gave me an idea for next week's post. Thanks, I guess.
Aww @builderofcastles <3 anyone will do the garbags if it needs to be done and money is to be made -- unless it can be automated ;)
As for mechanical jobs a lot of women like and want those positions.
Many women see you. Dont believe that hype, please. This concept of sloha and beta? We are beyond that. Stop finding womrn in bars. Stop basing your dating profile off of maxim magazine. Start finding wimen who share your interests and will love you accept you , uplift you, and also be a badass feminist bawse. We exist.
My comment is not about anything that I feel. Its not about any past relationship or relationshit.
I am telling you that there is a group of men who are already gone away.
They are beneath notice. They are invisible to women. (studies have shown) And a woman's entire world is based on these men continuing to do what they do.
This group is already banned.
Their needs are laughed at.
Their suicide rate is at epidemic levels. And if I bring up this statistic, I am just called old and bitter.
So, you do what women often do, make the talk personal.
What I am doing is trying to pass along information. Facts.
This planet has gone through many cycles. In some cycles women are the leaders, then it swaps. I am tired of it flopping back and forth. I hope this next cycle we will find something better.
And it will probably start with understanding what men are good at and what women are good at. (The feminists never talk about what women are really strong at. I guess if they showed women as being much stronger than men in X, Y & Z, then they couldn't play the victim card)
"the feminists" ?? Lol. Ok. Im done. 🦑🤷♀️❤️🙅🏼
Why does that trigger you?
I have never heard them once talk about any of women's strengths.
A hint: it is the reason women aren't allowed to be priests.
I keep hoping Jezebel will run a story on it, but they have never, ever touched it.
And in order to reach "the feminists" you had to read past epidemic rates of male suicide. I guess men aren't important.
Why on earth would any sane man want a feminist as a wife?? It would be 24/7 of her trying to assert herself as the man of the house. A man wants a woman, not a woman who wants to be a man.
Its probably worthless to respond, however, I don't want to be a man. I am a woman who wants respect for my individuality as human who doesn't fit into a simple gender stereotype. I want the same for men who have that same struggle. I want men to not be shamed for exploring the very natural human instinct to connect and be vulnerable. I want women to not be shamed for having over sexual desires. I don't want to be a man. In fact its very saddening to me when people say that I want to be a man or that I am manly. IMO maleness and feminity are not so finite and both can be strong and hard and soft... etc... Some of the strongest men I have ever met have loved letting me lead.
But maybe that doesn't work for you.
I fully hope that you going your own way is a fruitful journey that leads to great internal joy and contentment.
I don't think it sounds too fun but I had to be alone myself sometimes to figure out what I really wanted and needed.
we all on this spinning rock just wanting to be alive and free and loved and respected.
I gave you an upvote for not replying as a typical feminist with insults and hysteria.
I wish I could say the same. Maybe someday.
When I’m assertive in the workplace, I’m a “tyrant” or a flat out bitch. And yes i have a high level leadership role in a large organization. When my male peers exhibit similar behaviors they are “results-driven” and “ambitious”. Truly the exact same behaviors just perceived entirely differently. I have witness, and been victim of many an “emotional manipulation” played at the hand of a male leader.
What I find when investigating such as you have said is that there are many differences.
Such as the men using overt communication and the women using covert communication.
The men using open agreements and women using assumed agreements.
Leading is not an easy task. Every leader would wish for better followers, but that is pushing responsibility to what is outside of one's control. So, a great leader will learn what is effective in leading their group.
I would challenge the fact that men in the workplace use overt communication. They do, with each other, yet often times I have found leave their female peers out of these conversations. Over with each other, covert overall.
Leading is difficult and that's why its a small subset of the population (both male and female) that do it well. However, if a leader is "wishing" for better followers, then they are in fact not leading at all.
I have spent many years as a young man thinking that all man were bad (me included). I'm not sure that the generalization holds as true today and hey, at least we, as a society, are trying to make things better. If you put that aside I think the experiment you propose is an interesting one. If not here there is always the next human colony to be established on mars to think about. or on the moon. (I'm trying to be optimistic here).
It's a generalization, they never work on every individual. And I did spend a paragraph about that.
I am very sorry you spent years thinking that. You're a terrific person whose heart is pure.
Thank you but I still had to face the potential harm I could do if I lost control. well, big surprise, I have issues :)
Thinking that all men were bad is simply a symptom of our gynocentric society. The majority of school teachers are women. Disney teaches us that all women are princesses, so obviously anything bad has to be male. Commercials make fun of men and fathers, and there is simply no respect for men these days. Whatever shred of self-worth a man has left is then attacked by feminists (women and their cuck followers) as 'toxic masculinity'. If you achieve anything in life, then it was simply because of your 'white privilege'. And yet with all of this, the feminists still think there is a war on... women.
And amen to that!
Notice in the picture how most of the men are either leftists, or self describe male feminists? Male feminists are some of the biggest creeps out there.