Morality Of Taxation

in #informationwar5 years ago

Wait. What are you saying? Taking other people's money without their consent is moral? Taking without consent is the very definition of theft, so you want to argue that theft is moral? Get out of here...


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So... yes, taxation is moral. It's good to have taxation. At least as long as there's something called "property", there's no other ethical choice to make but raise taxes. You see, the libertarian mindset that wants to equate taxation with theft, reasons from the wrong point of departure, which I will address shortly. But even if we grant that taxation is theft, I can name any number of circumstances under which theft is the right thing to do. Like when someone steals a loaf of bread to not die, that's justified, but when someone steals a wallet so they can buy a new flat-screen TV, that's not justified. Or when you're Rocket Raccoon from Guardians of the Galaxy and just want the thing way more than the original owner, that's justified too ;-)

Rocket Raccoon: Question. What if I see something that I wanna take and it belongs to someone else?

Rhomann Dey: Then you will be arrested.

Rocket Raccoon: But what if I want it more than the person who has it?

Rhomann Dey: Still illegal.

Rocket Raccoon: That doesn't follow. No, I want it more, sir. Do you understand me? What are you laughing at? What? I can't have a discussion with this gentleman?



Then there's the "socially beneficial theft". There's a world famous story that's been told thousands of times in hundreds of languages about this kind of theft, and we all know its protagonist: Robin Hood. We forget, but taxes were once the implementation of the Robin Hood principle, and collected mainly from the rich, as it should be. We know that the rich have used their power to change that and now pay almost no taxes, while the middle class, to the extent that it still exists, crumbles under an ever increasing tax-burden. The rich, who use the roads and all the rest of the infrastructures we've built as a society, use their financial literacy (hired in most cases) to evade taxes and consequently fail to contribute their fair share to what we used to call the commons. Ultimately it's these commons that make taxation the moral thing to do.

The many arguments there are to justify theft are still conceding to the libertarians argument that taxes are indeed theft; strictly speaking it is taking away people's money without their consent. But I already said at the beginning that this point of view comes from faulty reasoning, and the fault lays in the assumption that property is not theft. A property right is the right to exclude others from using that property, with use of force if necessary, and therein lays the original theft. If I put a fence around a piece of land and call it mine, I've excluded all other people from using something that was hitherto accessible to everyone, I've erased some of what was previously not owned and commonly accessible. Libertarians will argue that I used my own labor to put up the fence, and since I own my body, my labor and my time then that which I make usable with my body, labor and time, is also mine. That presumes ownership of the self, which is as weird as saying I own a tree because I carved my name in it; I don't OWN me, I AM me, there's no ownership or property involved in defining what is me.

It's simple; those who own property have excluded everyone else from using that property under threat of force. That's the part libertarians forget or try to rationalize in creative ways. It's moral to take some of that back, proportional to the amount owned, it's beneficial for any society to have common ground, or there would be no society. Like all thieves, except for Robin Hood, the rich want to keep all their loot for themselves and taxing them is just taking a part of it back, balancing out some of the original theft called private property. The below linked video is based on a chapter from the book Rich Dad, Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki, and advocates the use of the same tactics as the rich; make of that what you will...


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I think taxation is a public resource.

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I hate taxes. How about you save money and fund your own resources?

are you gonna fund an interstate?

Only when it's spent well and in accordance to the will of we, the people. That's why we need to reclaim the democracy as well as the economy; they're a one package deal...

Thanks so much for your response @akumagai 🙏🏼

Considering all property belonging to the state or country, they robbed me more than i thought with your line of thinking :-)

property tax is small compared to income tax and a zillion other taxes, i think you focus too much on that subset

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I hate taxes. And taxes are bad to the extent that government can be corrupt. If government was perfect and good, completely, then taxes would be fine. But that is a fantasy. It is fiction in the same way that socialism and communism looks good in theory but not in reality

Indeed, property tax is too small proportionally, which is why wealth needs to be taxed more. This post however is about the sense or nonsense of taxation in general...

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Theft is bad, even if you are starving to death. If you steal bread because you are hungry, you are still stealing. Taxation is theft. It has nothing to do with how laws might be enforced. Morality is not legality under the laws of man. What is right is defined differently objectively than it can be subjectively. Same thing with all of these words. Either you own something or you don't. And you don't have to share. That is a lie. You can share. Maybe you should share. But you don't have to. Bottom line, you don't have to. Yes, you probably should. But you don't have to. There is a difference between must and should.

Yours is a very binary mindset my friend; have you noticed you either love something or hate it? "I love fre markets", "I hate taxes"; how often have you written either of those on this post alone?

Regardless, I love how you keep trying to defend the indefensible ;-)

Free market is my way of describing life. That is what it means to me. I have a very super mega general definition to free market. However, your definition of free market might be cronyism, that is crony capitalism, corporatism, monopolism, cartels, governmental tyranny, authoritarianism, centralization, etc, etc, etc, etc.

your first principles are homicidal and are responsible for the deaths of millions.

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I love free markets. But you are going to steal from me and say that I have too much. But who gave you the right to say that I have too much?

no one is stealing from you you bumbling chucklefuck, you're a loser with nothing to steal. you'll never be rich, you're just a schmuck.

"bumbling chucklefuck" 😂 🤣

@zyx066 has more stuff than me. But he says that we should steal from people who have more. By his logic alone, he should delegate some of his SP to me as he has a higher REP than me on Steemit. I could say he has too much and that I have too little.

you're a fucking moron, read a book about history or social uprisings in france, americas, or middle eastern or african countries in general. Even latin america. Read a fucking book. Just one, bro.

i guess you have some history with this person as i found it a quite funny remark!?

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ya he posts stupid garbage on everything lol

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holy shit you are peak stupid.

You do not believe in ownership. I believe in ownership.

Nonsense. I have to believe in ownership because that's just our current reality. All I'm saying is that as long as we all believe in ownership, taxation is the right thing to do.

Taxation is fine to the extent that government is not corrupt. Taxation is not theft to the extent that the IRS follows the rules and everything. The problem is that it is not that simple. I could write several books about these things. In theory, taxes are great. I love taxes in theory. I love socialism in theory. But we should talk about the real world. We should talk about what is happening in real life. There are so many different things that we should talk about. So, why are you stuck on theory? Why spend all day talking about the hypothetical theory and fantasy fiction of how wonderful taxes could have been if people were good and perfect, you know? Government can only be as good as people can be good. It is that simple. Some people believe people are good. Now, if people were good and perfect, then governments would not be corrupt. And taxation would be done in the right way and not the wrong way. You can tax in a good way. You can also tax in a bad way. This is complex. Very complex. So complex.

You believe in slavery to the wealthy at the expense of your peers.

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