RE: Something Useful For Blockchain
@o1eh @chriddi @remlaps @moecki @event-horizon @antorv @gor671
Thank you for the post, and the most interesting discussion.
Because of the length of the discussion it is difficult to make appropriate comments in appropriate places.
So here are a few randomized responses...
We will now be visiting /promoted to see what arrives there and giving votes appropriately.
We really want to see less focus and less reliance on sc01 and sc02. We want to see more community initiatives, ideas and projects that are self-sustaining.
For sc01 and sc02 to stop voting for 2 weeks would be an interesting experiment - but certain economic imperatives would make such a halt not feasible. (However more #burnsteem100 posts would certainly be welcome :-) )
Changing the Author/Curator reward split would require a Hard Fork (and so not a likely change).
We want to see more people build up their Steem Power, and manually curate.
We are much less keen on people delegating large amounts of their Steem Power to communities (or voting schemes) as they usually then don't bother to vote.
We need more manual curators. We need more commenters making relevant comments. (Idea hatching on that one)
We want people to vote on 'Real People making Good Posts' - alas many people don't.
People should build their audience by producing content that other people want to read. Bring value to the chain.
We want to do less, and we want the Community to do more...
Hope these points have picked up on most of the suggestions and ideas put forward.
We would welcome more discussion posts like this - maybe they could be Promoted too !
The work of the sc01/02 team is very much about 'spinning plates'- trying to keep as many people and communities happy and engaged, whilst fighting back the baddies who are trying to cheat the system at every opportunity.
Fighting back the baddies is absorbing more and more of our time as other Sheriffs and Deputies have alas left the field...
PS We really want to find more good quality content to vote on. Alas much of it isn't 😞
Thank you for your reply and the time you spent reading and possible ideas.
Much has already been contributed by the other participants in the discussion. I would therefore just like to briefly highlight individual points that are particularly important to me and that have not been considered much so far.
Much has already been written about the vote-bots. However, I have noticed that many users have delegated the majority of their SP to one (their?) communities. This strengthens the (one) community, but the votes tend to remain in the (small) circle of the same users. The delegator will profit the most from this, if he writes posts in this community... so basically nothing else than a vote-bot in the form of a community account. The support of other users is no longer possible...
I myself have also delegated some SP to the "deutsch unplugged" account, but that is only a small part of my SP, so I can still support good posts and comments manually (and outside the community).
It especially bothers me when community leaders require members to delegate or make it a minimum requirement for acceptance....
During my (short) time as community curator, I too had the impression that many posts were written exclusively for the SC. No comments and often not even votes... set the right tag... and a SC vote is already there.
That's why it's right for you to pay more attention to relevant comments ... a few ideas on how you can orient your vote activity to this are already included in the comments below the post. I am curious to see which ones you take up and what new ones you develop. :-)
Yes agreed.
This is something we are increasingly concerned about...
This is one of several concerns we have about communities at present. They are not really achieving what we had hoped they would achieve.
For reference people most definitely do not need to be in communities to get votes from sc01/02. We follow tags as much (or more) than we follow communities.
This is another of our concerns about communities...
Still working on the comment front.
It's already hard not to hit the vote button on the comments you've been making lately.... ;-)
I am happy about your current transparency :-)
I'm not kidding myself. It is not easy to recapture the various (unattractive) outgrowths that have occurred in the past in a short period of time. Transparency and communication are all the more important from my point of view.
I see that you put a lot of time into checking some users/posts. This is very time-consuming, but perhaps does deter some.... and can only be good for the Steem... Now my optimism comes out again :-)
Ich denke, man darf auch voten, wenn man jemandem zeigen will "Ich hab's gelesen".
So jedenfalls unser DU-Konzept - sonst würden wir ja aus dem Labern gar nicht mehr rauskommen... ;-D
Auf jeden Fall!
Transparenz und Kommunikation ist alles!
Jepp, so halte ich es für gewöhnlich auch. Beim SC ist mir das irgendwie unangenehm (obwohl ich das in dem Fall gern anerkennen würde)... die VP sollte ja doch eher an "normale" User gehen...
:-)) ... wo kämen wir denn da hin... ;-))
Thank you for reading the discussion and for the comprehensive reply. There's a lot to agree with here, and I appreciate reading your take on the topic.
The ideals that I take from your reply are:
I more or less agree on all of those points, except that I'm a believer that automated curation can also be valuable, if it's done with an aim to promote attractive content production.
Of course, I could write numerous paragraphs on each of those points, but I'll suffice it to say that the current powerdown status of one of our favorite delegation bots makes me think that the 2nd point is the most pressing at the moment. ;-)
Lastly, thank you very much for agreeing to visit /promoted, since that was the original point that @o1eh raised in this thread! I look forward to seeing how that evolves.
So this is the outlier that we had discovered earlier in the week. Do you have more information on why the powerdown is happening? I hope that there will be no sale...
I don't have any other information about the reason. From running this report each week, I have noticed that they normally have a small weekly powerdown, but they sometimes increase it to larger amounts. In the past, the large powerdowns only ran for a single week, so we'll see what happens after Sunday. If they follow past practices, it might get reduced again before the 2nd payout.
Until now, I only knew about the small power downs. If you have observed this practice before, maybe it will be the same this time. Would still be interesting to see if they are sold on the exchange.... maybe to pay for their servers...
Everything in moderation and with good intent...
See comments elsewhere re /promoted. Good to see the bids going up...
Thank you for all the comments and answers you have given. This is very valuable to the community.
I'm sure the load on SC01 and SC02 is too much. It would be nice if there were other great manual curators. I've already thought about it. One of the ways is to involve delegations. I could create a manual curator like @blogger-helper. But for this, the project must be competitive with UPVU. Currently, UPVU investors who publish one post daily receive approximately 5.3 (SP+STEEM) per 1000 SP delegated per week. So, in order for @blogger-helper to be able to compete with UPVU, it should offer its investors approximately the same profit.
One way to achieve this, I considered, would be to post daily with the @blogger-helper account, and use the profits from those posts to pay out investors. However, my calculations show that this scheme works if there are 10-15 investors. If there are many more of them, then it is impossible to ensure such a level of profitability. Some more ways are needed.
But it is certain that such a manual curator would be completely independent from the Steemit team, and only a few of the most authoritative users would have access to it for curation.
In short, I have more to think about.
I am not convinced that a new vote account or bot will help us....
Unless it works like penny4thoughts, who follows one or more other users. But in the end, any system, no matter how sophisticated, will probably be exploited at some point.
I agree. But a few extra powerful manual curators wouldn't hurt. This would make the system more decentralized and show people that you can earn real money for good quality and interesting posts. Quality can be bought. At the end of the day, most people on Steemit are just out to make money and it would be better if they did it by creating quality content.
It's right. Fortunately, the SC has announced that it will examine the posts closely. This and the increased amounts going to @null and being burnt are certainly good for the Steem. :-)
I'm rather confused what's more important, burning all rewards or powering up all to be able to self-sustain and manually curate.
I understand the consequences of club100, users leave eventually. But do you think promoting burnsteem100 will keep the users on platform?
If burning is a more promising solution for steem growth then what if you make burnsteem25 mandatory like club5050 along with the daily visit to /promoted?
I might be wrong but I think burnsteem100 would make things stagnant. 🤔
I suggested that you vote only on the posts with good engagement. This will encourage users to work on the quality of their content and build their audience. Small votes on constructive comments was also a good step by you in the past.
Looking forward to your new idea in this regard ...
I agree fighting back the baddies is very time consuming. Such users will always linger but so do we. We will keep sterlizing this place.
I completely agree with your point of view. Encouraging Powerup and burning up steem is towards a common goal of steemgrowth. However burning all rewards may cause stagnancy,as no rewards will be available to Powerup towards becoming self-sustaining.
Encouraging burnsteem25 with club5050 which is already in use is premium. Encouraging quality comments with upvotes will also boost engagement.
Did you miss the winking smiley behind #burnsteem100 in the first shock?... ;-)
Set now just no false rumors into the world!... ;-)
There are already enough "free riders" again. Users whose engagement consists of observing the comments of sc01 very closely instead of participating in constructive discussions. There you could "accidentally" say something that displeases the sc01 ...
Well, let them all do it, may they get their hoped-for advantages. One thing will remain denied to them: The entry into the oasis... ;-)
Hehe...We can't stop "free-riders" unless the necessary changes are made which includes "accepting that sc01 is just a part of community and this sycophancy will only damage the ecosystem".
"Oasis" shall serve only those who are thirsty for knowledge and communityship. 😉
Sorry for replying so late. I am feeling worn out running after "baddies" for the past few day.
Especially since teaching this fact is so tiring - after all, no one listens... 😉
There is an oasis problem: one of the founders has hit the sack for the time being. But I'm still in good spirits and the opportunity to recover is not going away... 😉
Stop hunting, it's not good for the nerves! And we need rational Steemians who keep a clear head, because we still have a lot of work to do!
I like this idea: people creating their audience.
People creating their own audience by regularly publishing quality posts on a chosen area or field will create more traffic on their blog/ page and encourage better engagement. This will encourage steemgrowth . Hence , quality posts and quality comments will be the order of the day.
All users, both authors and commenters will be happy engaging and receiving good upvotes.
It doesn't necessarily have to be creating a community again, there are several communities to pick for your centered publications in order to attract people who will love reading their publications.
An initiative can be created around here.... If I come up with one, I could share.
Thanks.
Greetings, it is interesting to see this healthy discussion of ideas to have a clear mind of the objectives that are sought within steemit.
It would be very valuable to see an official publication of @steemitblog that contains the "characteristics of a good publication", if the criteria are unified, I think we would have more people interested in making good content under the good parameters of the Steemit team.
It is true that the team wants more self-sustaining projects and so far those of us who have decided to grow to support other users have received the good boost of votes from the Curator accounts, for that I am grateful.
I believe that we must continue to grow in order to generate more support and less dependency on curators, so it is good that we develop some ideas to start them from now on.
Thank you for opening my mind to new ideas.