Sustained /r/BOINC (reddit) censorship of Gridcoin and Steem!
Censored Steemit posts
https://steemit.com/gridcoin/@cm-steem/brainstorming-new-boinc-projects
https://steemit.com/gridcoin/@cm-steem/sneak-preview-of-project-rain-screenshots
https://www.reddit.com/r/BOINC/comments/5bbavo/team_gridcoin_currently_1_in_srbase_boinc/ (Note - censored despite being a BOINC team challenge, non-monetized).
Posts between myself & mod
@cm-steem wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BOINC/comments/5b9jf3/lets_brainstorm_possible_new_boinc_projects/
My posts disappear when I log out and don't show for others, is there a minimum karma count required for /r/BOINC or are my posts being censored?
This post is pretty important - trying to encourage users to brainstorm possible BOINC projects, possibly leading to the projects being developed.
+/u/Pi31415926's response:
Hi, sorry, but I removed your post as I think it's spam. Almost all your posts lead to steemit, and almost all of them involve Gridcoin. So, I think you have a large Gridcoin holding and are trying to use this subreddit for your personal profit.
The fact that you dress up your personal profit-taking with an attempt to help BOINC along is irrelevant. If you wanted to help BOINC, you'd post your discussion here in the subreddit. But you don't, you just post a link to a place where you make money. We are not here to make you money. Do you understand?
@cm-steem's response:
/r/Gridcoin is in the sidebar of /r/BOINC !!! How can it be in the sidebar as a related subreddit yet repeatedly censored in /r/BOINC? It was placed there by moderators in the past - there's clearly miscommunication going on here.
The steemit posts that you have censored are clearly BOINC related; Gridcoin is BOINC related content because it rewards BOINC computation and it's currently the #1 team in the world leader boards for most BOINC projects. Just look at formulaboinc - #1!
The brainstorming thread you censored had a couple gridcoin images, a paragraph explanation and some links compared to 95% of the rest of the page which was original BOINC content.
Regarding monetization of content - yeah I make a couple cents to which I then use to promote other BOINC related content on the steemit website. The brainstorming thread netted me a whole $0.75 in liquid SBD (wow!) - are you going to begin censoring any link in which the website displays adverts? (youtube, blogs, etc) Because they're earning money for the content they produce too. There's no visible rules in the sidebar regarding allowed content sources nor permitted content.
The reason I post threads to Steemit instead of Reddit is because individuals like yourself repeatedly censor discussions rather than participate in them - have you even read any of the ideas in the brainstorming thread? As long as you continue censoring Gridcoin/BOINC related content I will continue posting my content to Steemit & will be recommending others to do the same. Perhaps users could have discussed ideas for projects in the Reddit comments before you deleted the post?
Steemit also reaches users outside of the BOINC community, with /r/BOINC there's only like 1100 subscribers and a couple online at a time. The steemit post received 70 upvotes compared to a couple on reddit (before it was censored), it clearly gets BOINC more exposure.
You base your assumption that I have a large Gridcoin holding on zero evidence, even if I held Gridcoin how does that matter? Do you censor WCG because IBM has shareholders who view WCG as a method of improving their public relations? Do you equally censor BOINC projects that don't hold scientific purposes or commercial projects?
You're clearly prejudiced against BOINC computation in which users are rewarded for their hard work (allowing them to offset electricity costs) by repeatedly censoring Gridcoin posts. /r/BOINC should be a team-neutral website to which any team can post their BOINC related content to.
Who put you in charge of this subreddit in the first place? Do you contribute to BOINC development or hold a position on the BOINC project governance?
I'll be contacting the BOINC project governance to discuss your repeated censorship and abuse of moderator powers on reddit.
In the mean time, I've posted to /r/Gridcoin that /r/BOINC is continuing to censor Gridcoin content: https://www.reddit.com/r/gridcoin/comments/5blxtr/rboinc_moderator_upi31415926_continuing_to_censor/
EDIT: Continued:
+/u/Pi31415926 response:
Thanks, I'm sure your witchhunting will encourage new BOINC projects.
If you would like to see more activity in /r/BOINC, post your discussion threads here, instead of somewhere else. Thanks for the mention in /r/gridcoin though, so far we have -1 new subscribers. And that -1 was you, wasn't it.
The answer is yes, I will remove posts if the submitter earns money from them, and I've been doing that for 5 years. Especially including YouTube links and blogspam. I think that's one of the reasons my subreddits have grown quite a lot over that time. I'm not going to change that policy.
You can call it censorship if you like. I call it spam. It doesn't matter what reasons you give. Spam is spam, that's all there is to it.
/r/BOINC is team-neutral, this isn't some team thing. It's just that you're spamming. Please do check reddit's policy on spam, which can currently be found here.
My response:
This is not witch-hunting; I'm being transparent with the /r/gridcoin and /r/boinc community regarding your censor-heavy tactics. If I was trying to find out your real life information or egging my community to do so, that would be witch-hunting.
Discussions in /r/BOINC get censored by yourself, so I'll continue holding BOINC discussions outside of /r/BOINC.
+/u/Pi31415926:
Thanks for the mention in /r/gridcoin though, so far we have -1 new subscribers. And that -1 was you, wasn't it.I didn't unsubscribe, again you're quite clearly being delusional in your evidence-lacking assumptions.
+/u/Pi31415926:
I think that's one of the reasons my subreddits have grown quite a lot over that time. I'm not going to change that policy.So you perceive that as a moderator you own the subreddit? Your authoritarian actions quite clearly indicate this.
+/u/Pi31415926:
The answer is yes, I will remove posts if the submitter earns money from them, and I've been doing that for 5 years. Especially including YouTube links and blogspam.Yet, on the front-page of /r/BOINC there are like 5 youtube videos:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. You clearly have a double standard.+/u/Pi31415926:
/r/BOINC is team-neutral, this isn't some team thing. It's just that you're spamming. Please do check reddit's policy on spam, which can currently be found here.That's the thing - you're quite clearly not team-neutral when you instantly censor anything Gridcoin related. I recently posted an SRBase boincstats team challenge post and it was censored. Boincstats does have adverts to survive which may break your secret rules, but then why hasn't boincstats been censored in the past? https://www.reddit.com/r/BOINC/search?q=url%3Aboincstats&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all
Genuinely though, how did you gain these moderator privileges? Do you hold any authority within the BOINC developer community? Did the BOINC project governance authorize your position?
Have you experienced censorship on reddit?
Please post your experiences with power hungry moderators!
I used to use reddit on a regular basis to keep abreast of various subjects.
I often made comments and replied to other people's posts adding and clarifying the information that they offered.
Since I am a member of several BOINC projects I always felt that my comments and replies showed my dedication to the ethos of BOINC and helped to publicise the good that it has and is doing for science and humankind.
However, since I joined Gridcoin I have found a crass disregard for my liberty to comment on posts and reply to questions asked by individuals requiring assistance.
I'm proud to be a member of BOINC and a team member of Gridcoin and find it disrespectful that someone who has no idea who I am or what I stand for should decide that my replies/comments are not suitable for consumption by other reddit readers.
I too have been censored on several occasions and when I had the audacity to question the censoring I was answered in such a childish and disrespectful manner that I no longer use reddit.
Honestly changed my perspective on reddit massively - used to really like it before we began being heavily censored anywhere other than /r/gridcoin and /r/cryptocurrency.
You'd think that a BOINC cryptocurrency would be welcome on /r/BOINC, but it clearly isn't.
I think the main reason for the moderation was this one:
"If you wanted to help BOINC, you'd post your discussion here in the subreddit. But you don't, you just post a link to a place where you make money."
I'd believe that if the moderator hadn't also censored this link: https://www.reddit.com/r/BOINC/comments/5bbavo/team_gridcoin_currently_1_in_srbase_boinc/
The link was pointing out the fact that team Gridcoin is currently #1 in a SRBase BOINC team challenge https://twitter.com/customminer/status/794963514834165762
This is as on-topic to BOINC as a post can be - trying to drive up computation for SRBase with a inter-team challenge & it was censored because it mentioned Gridcoin.
The moderator is quite clearly biased against Gridcoin.
Besides, there's 0 rules in their sidebar regarding what content can/can't be posted nor banned domains. The mod is making it rules as he censors.
I have no idea about the Reddit rules, ethic & traditions, but this particular mod does not like links, and maybe now he/she does not like you as well.
As the power of moderation is in the hands of the mod and you still need Reddit I think you should try to find a consensus.
He explicitly censors both Gridcoin and Steemit content. He perceives Steemit as paid blog spam. I'm simply going to cease posting original content to /r/BOINC.
He's a mod of 39 subreddits - I seriously doubt he's going to go without a fight.
We can work without /r/BOINC - it's a tiny community compared to other BOINC communities.
We don't entirely need Reddit, we can use /r/gridcoin and /r/cryptocurrency for Gridcoin related content. We can use steemit, decent, lykke, synereo, etc; Reddit is going the way of digg.
And if he apologizes nicely, maybe the case won't be taken to the Central Committee.
He gave no indication of allowing Gridcoin nor Steemit posts on /r/BOINC - I'll be raising this issue to the BOINC PGC when I've got the spare time.
I've contacted the other /r/BOINC moderator to get his opinion on the matter.
Disclaimer: I am just a bot trying to be helpful.
The truth is - one CM post here at Steemit has more meaningful content than that whole subreddit. But I guess that's just a succesful moderation, according to /u/Pi31415926 standards.
At least on steemit if someone wants to censor you (collapsing your individual post) they need like $100k+ in steem holdings to do so. +/u/Pi31415926 is a moderator of 39 subreddits - quite clearly addicted to holding centralized power over communities.
I don't think that's a Reddit specific problem, as some people are just little wannabe tyrants.
While I have had my own run ins with a few Reddit mods, I have also had that problem elsewhere.
Have you tried posting the full text in r/BOINC and added a link to the Steemit posts as well?
Also check to see if there are other r/BOINC mods to talk with
There's a /r/gridcoin post: https://www.reddit.com/r/gridcoin/comments/5blxtr/rboinc_moderator_upi31415926_continuing_to_censor/
Linking to steemit would result in the post being deleted on /r/boinc.
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cm, what I can read from those messages is that both are quite angry. Especially you make several personal attacks, which sure as hell don't help. Get away from the personal level or everything you write will just make it worse.
I think that's a bit too late now, especially when you read the EDIT part..
As I can see, the discussion is going nowhere. The moderator will not stop what he considers good for the subreddit, ie censor CM.
I honestly think abandoning /r/BOINC would be more productive than pandering to the mod.
These centralized moderator powers and resulting censorship heavy practices are figuratively the cancer killing reddit.