DLive is Leaving Steem, And This is My Last Blog Post on Steemit

in #dlive5 years ago

Dear Steemians,

Yesterday, I announced our decision to migrate to Lino. The post received over 700 comments, and I have read them all. Some of which were encouraging, supportive and reasonable, while others were misleading, manipulative and abusive. The rational concerns and frustrations are understandable, although it does upset me and my team when people doubt our intentions.

To clear the air, I’ll go into more details about the reasoning of the move, answer the frequently-asked questions and comments addressed in the previous post, and lastly, provide an update on account migrations. This will be my last blog post on Steemit.

Steem is not Sustainable for Streaming Platforms Like DLive

We tried to apply Steem + IPFS to building a fully decentralized streaming platform, but the solution failed to deliver a good user experience. This resulted in spending months on developing our own in-house solution that could be stable enough to enhance the user experience. We initially implemented IPFS to host videos for 3 months, but no one else was joining in the hosting of videos, which resulted in extreme delays and instability of our platform. On top of this, when utilizing IPFS for storage, if videos were not watched within two weeks, they would likely become inaccessible to the public. This was a major concern for DLive as well. Finally, we experienced several downtimes of the IPFS gateway, leading to further unstable user experiences, which contributed to our final decision to abandon IPFS.

At the beginning of this DLive journey, with a small but growing user base, we were able to provide the attention that our community needed as well as reward them financially for their content. Those times were very exciting. However, this situation changed as our user base grew and the amount of users that needed monetary curation support grew, which meant that every community member received a bit less. On top of this, being a newer DApp, many of our users had lower SPs than more senior members, thus the reward pools were being split disproportionately towards these more senior members, which ultimately had a great effect on the growth of DLive.

Along with what was mentioned in my previous post, we felt that the combinations of these issues were stifling the growth of DLive and affected true monetary value of contents. These problems were significantly less noticeable during the earlier days of Steem growth as well as the previous bull market. Steem was a great home for DLive, but nothing lasts forever.

DLive Did Not "Milk" the Steem System

In regards to the allegations of DLive abusing delegated power for monetary gains or “milking the system”, we would like to make this unequivocally clear that this never happened. Our DLive account received delegation in mid-January without any communication with the Steem team as to how to use it. We applied 100% of our delegation to supporting and growing the DLive community. We recruited from within the community, and distributed support to members for their content and work via our delegation. None of it has ever been used for myself or on DLive infrastructure and development. We have published monthly transparency reports that detailed the amount of votes and the percentages of votes they received.

Instead, I Personally Covered All the Costs on Infrastructure and Development of DLive

It can be easily verified that DLive did not use any of its delegated power to pay for the infrastructure and development. Instead, I personally covered the cost of DLive’s infrastructure and development as I mentioned in our first transparency report. For those who are not familiar with live streaming, live streaming requires a huge amount of investment in infrastructure, including transcoding, CDN and bandwidth. In the first 3 months, we bought a live-streaming service from a third-party provider, and then we built our own streaming server on AWS to save costs. The following numbers may give you some clues on these cost allocations:

The average cost for streaming per GiB per user is 0.45 USD (including transcoding, CDN, and bandwidth);
The average bandwidth usage (as in 720P) per user per hour is about 0.5 GiB;
The average user watching time per day is 9,500 hours (including all the users);

We can do a simple calculation from the above stats that the average costs for DLive’s infra per month is:

0.45 * 0.5 * 9500 * 30 = 64,125 USD

Combined with the development expense, the overall expenditure out of pocket per month was around 80,000 USD. DLive has encountered practical cost issues: the delegation from Steemit is for better curating content on our platform, but not for covering these necessary costs.

Yes, I thought about Smart Media Token as a potential solution. However, SMT is only a means of financing and does not change the Steem economic model fundamentally. Also, the SMT timeline has been delayed multiple times and is now pushed to next year, which is something we cannot wait for nor rely on.

Regarding The Relationship Between The Lino Team And I

I knew most of Lino’s founding team members since college. We were exposed to blockchain technology together, and this resulted in many hours of like minded individuals hanging out. During that time, we also started exploring this New Wonderland called Steem and how to build a DApp. However, Lino team’s interest shifted to building a blockchain, whereas I was set on building a DApp that people could use, play and interact with. That’s why I decided to wish my friends the best and continued to develop DLive. I still vividly remember the first day when DLive launched, and the first stream popped up. I literally jumped out of my chair and shouted “This is fucking awesome! This is real!” At that time, Lino was also doing well. So, for me, this was a win-win situation and I was truly happy for them as they had always been my biggest supporters. So all these rumors, conspiracies, as well as racial and ethnic discriminations should all stop.

Regarding User Data Migration

The goal of the user data migration functionality was to provide DLive users with a smooth transition onto the new blockchain. However, it was regretfully misinterpreted as an attempt to steal users from Steem, which was not our intention.

For those who are concerned about their personal data, we made the decision that we will not migrate all user data by default. If you want to migrate with us, you will need to opt in our user migration list before 10am, September 24th, 2018 PDT. Please see our article in the community hub for guidance. https://community.dlive.tv/hc/en-us/articles/360014760572-Will-my-previous-live-streams-and-videos-be-lost-during-the-migration-

DLive Is Not Taking Away Steem Users

We know that DLive has become a home for a lot of you who did not fit into other communities. DLive has been a home for our entire team as well. Taking this into account, I want to make it perfectly clear: we are still on DLive to support users and promote quality content, we are going through this transition to make DLive an even better home for all of us.

Based on our data, 80% of our current DLive users are not from Steem. We have grown outside of the Steem community and, as a matter of fact, have helped the Steem community grow users along the way.

DLive would not be what it is today without our extraordinary community, and you guys are the exact reason why we keep doing what we do everyday.

I will be live streaming on DLive tomorrow September 22nd, 2pm PDT to answer more questions about migration. See you on DLive.

Best Regards,
Charles Wayn (Kent)
Founder & CEO of DLive


I will respond under you Matt if you don't mind... I'm not upset anymore, I just dislike lies.

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So unless I will be accused of photoshopping these images, their intent was never bening to begin with.

This was the plan all along...

it was in the code, when dlive first started testing their streaming services, when they were setting up shop, these things were there, later modified, hidden.

So yeah...

Anyways, i'll keep on catching flags over this, but I don't care. Truth is truth...

@meno I respect your research and commitment to both #steem and the truth, however, the mere fact that you are using a bullshit comment thats self-upvote alone is worth more STU than multiple blog posts, multiple live streams, and multiple videos of true valuable content, just so you can get your evidence at the top of the pile of opinions so your research can be seen is a clear testament of the flaw in the system! Your evidence should be at the top by default based on its value and this dudes SHIT post should be at the bottom with NO value. Instead of accusing DLive of "milking the system", maybe most of the whales in this ecosystem should be holding up a fuckin mirror!

"Bullshit. Flagged. GTFO already." Is that really worth 5 STU @meno? Who's really suckin the #steem teet dry just for being a bag-holder, posting shit content a couple times a month, and saying 3 words and and an acronym and gettin paid more than most true content creators make on a daily basis. And I know he's not the only one. You know what they say about one rotten apple?

Again, I upvoted this comment for PROMINENCE. I PURCHASED my stake. Go buy some SP and flag me, better yet, go buy some SP and vote on tons of people (like I do).

Yes, it's worth its payout, because I paid for it, and I think that this whole debacle is what I called it, bullshit. I spent as much on that comment as I did flagging the OP.

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I applaud your sincerity joe, I really do. But, I do think you have one important detail about me very wrong. I don't self upvote, the blockchain does not lie, my self upvote percentage has been for months 0% so my personal views are a little more in line with yours it seems.

However, I understand the concept of freedom, and attempt to practice it. For example, I don't know much about matt, other than we both seems to know some russian, just about nothing more. However, I respect him as a fellow human and understand that because he owns stake on this platform, he, and only he has the ability to do what he pleases with it, as do I.

I don't self upvote because I believe I bring more value to the platform this way, and think, maybe mistakenly so (because who knows who's right) that if I continue with my ways, one day it will help generate a network effect that can create immense wealth for all of us. Yes, that includes Matt, all of us.

However, Matt has put enough money into this system that when he does this, I can't say I don't understand his position and even more so, that I need to impose my own on him.

In the end, we will find out what road was the best one, but... we are all headed to the same moon.

Believe me, I can totally jive with your ethic, and I was not accusing you of self-upvoting (nor do I see a self-upvote as a "bad thing") merely that this shit post should not be worth what it is and the fact that you piggy-backed on it so your content could be better seen by the audience, should reflect the flaw. Staking or not, it's abusive to the ecosystem and is setting a bad example.

point taken, I do think a front end change could make relevance of comments not be strictly payout, but quantity of upvotes. Or maybe even choices, sort comments by age, payout, number of upvotes, rep..

I would like that myself.

The sort order choices are there, but they know that most people don't ever change the default settings.

Anyways, i'll keep on catching flags over this, but I don't care. Truth is truth...

Have you even been flagged a single time in this whole debacle?

I have been told I should quit steem, and me and plenty of others have been flagged for showing agreement with dlive's move.

It seems the steem community is really desperate to push away as many investors as possible.

IDK how you are playing the victim card- you have done nothing but speculate and profit.

Yes, but the upvotes have countered them of course... check my comment if you need to, there is nothing to hide.

You seem cool headed to me, you are not being disrespectful and it's not my style to be aggressive, so you won't get such rhetoric from me. However, I think you are in the minority, I got a few nasty dms calling me a hypocrite and one of them threatening.

Obviously that's not your case, but since to tribalistic minds Im part of the crew that threw @dlive under the bus, I must be put in place too.

Now, by all means, I'm no victim... I'm an investor like you, a fellow steemian, and a witness who cares, that is all.

One of the problems kent was trying to outline- if you dissent from popular opinion, you are going to get flagged. The whales can and will value whatever they agree with, and devalue whatever they don't.

This ultimately makes steem more about power structures and connections than it does quality of content. I can spend hours working on a post that dissents from popular opinion, only to get flagged by some angry whale in disagreement. I can spend seconds writing some easily agreeable bullshit, and i'm sure i'd get upvotes- if I really cared more about the payout than I do my content.

I respect your investigation and your politeness, but you have to realize you are profiting off of the circle jerk way that steem works- not necessarily your content.

Oh, but I don't know if you expected me to disagree with you on this. Yes of course, if you stray from popular opinion you pay the price for it, yes this is the case, I would never say otherwise.

However to me, at least in my limited knowledge of sociology, this is nothing but a virtual representation of normal social dynamics. If you were the only person in your neighborhood that burnt trash, you would also pay the social consequence of doing so, as much as you would argue its your right, your property and your freedom.

I will grant you my example is too easy to analyze, but I'm sure it would not take much imagination to think of others. My point however, is that what some describe as the problem is actually human nature.

Now, in my personal opinion many disagreements can be solved if we had the emotional agility to circumvent triggers. I say this, because most of the time when people react in anger, they do so because they feel the comments, the critique is personal, and sometimes, as it is the case right now, you are doing nothing else but outlining what you perceive to be wrong with the current system.

Your opinion has nothing to do with me, not even a little bit. The avatar in front of you has not changed in the slightest, my wife has not left me, and I'm still drinking a nice cup of coffee. However, I'm self aware of that particular truth, but I may stand in the minority.

Why would society evolve to implement dire social consequences for dissent? That is an amazing question, and one that we could either try to deny, and fail at doing so, or embrace even though we can't fully grasp it.

Regarding your comment on me not being rewarded for my actual content, but my ability to incept myself inside the circle jerks. As much as I don't particularly like the charged words you've chosen to use, I think you seem to be describing another aspect of society.

Some people don't like to believe that hierarchy and caste systems exist, they mere idea of such thing is tinged with shades of guilt. But, can we respect honesty while denying it? Of course not, I'm willing to say that, as uncomfortable as it may be.

So you could say, that maybe through some sort of social adequacy I've been able to insert myself into a social circle that grants me some sort of privilege, that might be accurate to say. But again, isn't that a reflection of how life works?

I'm also very honest about this fact: This is not a content platform. It's possibly never been. But, we hold that carrot (I include myself) in front of a stick to drive our idealism forward.

Regarding your comment on me not being rewarded for my actual content, but my ability to incept myself inside the circle jerks. As much as I don't particularly like the charged words you've chosen to use, I think you seem to be describing another aspect of society.

It's called a feedback loop! Your content will get valued based on a miriad of factors- but not one is more important than the connections you have with other steemians, particularly the powerful ones. I use the term "circle jerk" because it is an incredibly accurate description of what is happening.

Dlive wants content based value. You conceded that steem (as a system) is bad at evaluating value based on content. That is why dlive is leaving.

The amount of mental gymnastics that is being done in these threads is sad. I don't need a sociology degree to see steem has systematic issues when it comes to valuing content.

Dlive wants a better system.

They are never going to understand that you can only go so long putting make up on a pig. They will never deal with the censorship problems and how that actually stunts the growth of steemit. Flag should be used for abuse only, it should never be used for opposing views,. This platform would explode with users if they would be left to debate openly, honestly and fairly without fear of being flagged.

Dlive wants a better system.

we all do brother...

I'm part of a group of people that is trying to change culture. But we all have different ways of solving the puzzle.

Just to clarify something here. "Lino" is not in "the code", it's the name of a local folder where they cloned the repository. What this means is that a lino developer was involved in helping set dlive up and put it in the same folder.

I'll admit, this isn't much of a distinction, but it should be made. Since they are friends, it's certainly likely there was crossover. I'm still not sure about 'intent' though.

i might have to re-read this a few times, make sure i get all the in betweens. But, it seemed to me that he is saying that they were somewhat working on their own thing.... and then, they said... oh wow, what if we together.. OMG awesome.. many many months later.

When, the lino devs were 100% involved with dlive from the very beginning.

I'm going to read it one more time, now that the coffee has kicked in, make sure im not talking out of my a...

Lino FOUNDING team. And as @meno said "Guess who?"

Someone missed the dark jeans memo.

He's clearly a rebel. Look at that jacket as well. He must be a disrupter. God, I'm really starting to hate that term.

Ah I missed this one. There's certainly a few questions not addressed, I'll admit.

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Live streamers are making spare pocket change for hours of live content, and you make 5 STU on upvoting yourself when you say "Bullshit. Flagged. GTFO already." Do you not see an issue here? Who's really milking the #steem system? hmmmm

I like that Matt... that's a donut i can get behind! hahahahah

ochen' otlichayetsya ot nashey lyubimoy TA guru.

Spasibo! Konechno! Da, haejin pizdets svinya.

It's just too bad your shit post had to be a part of that 1.4% instead of on a truly valuable piece of your work...

Like I said, upvoted for prominence and was anticipating a huge influx of flags (which I got). Mitigation. It's a short and sweet summary of how I feel about the situation and offers up a link to @meno's post right at the top, easy to find. It also explains why I flagged the post, myself thinking that it is all bullshit. I flagged it before anyone else and was one of the first comments, I think the 2nd one.

The last thing it is, is a shit post.

come on dude..no-one is "pure" .. 1.4% self vote is pretty damn good..accept that your initial response to matt-a is top comment doesn't line up with the big picture of his STEEM involvement ...and let's move on

(read above with a friendly smile on my face)

Uhh, I bought $100k of Steem. No, I don't see the issue. Dlive had control of 2 million SP given to them to support their project. Should all streamers be rewarded heavily everywhere? No. Go out and promote, do the legwork. Don't just sit around like a baby bird with your mouth open waiting for mama to dump rewards into it. Good example is Jonny Clearwater, he landed sponsors, did great, and is traveling the country.

And you still make 5 STU for 3 words and an acronym, nothing wrong with that at all...

Uhh, I paid for that "promotion," for prominence. No, there's nothing wrong with that. Obviously you aren't really grasping how stake based voting and DPOS works. I very rarely upvote myself (I should actually do it way more often) but focus on spreading my stake around as much as I can. The whole "never upvote yourself," argument is absolutely insane and reeks of "I don't really understand what's going on."

"(nor do I see a self-upvote as a "bad thing")" in my response to @meno. It's not the fact that you used that privilege that bothers me, its how you used it. By the perceived value of content alone, your shit post should be worth nothing and at the bottom, and @meno's post should be at the top. Nothing more, nothing less.

Good, glad you don't see it as an always bad thing. Abusing it, of course, is very much frowned upon. I myself very, very rarely do it.

I was one of the first people to comment on the post and was obviously expecting a massive influx of downvotes, so I mitigated that by using my stake. Did you not see the attached link in that comment . . . the one that is @meno's post?

My comment, although it's seen as crude/rude, in my opinion is fitting and perfectly sums up my thoughts on the matter. I kept it short and sweet instead of writing a book.

Like I was saying, if it's bothersome and you'd like more influence on this platform, purchase some SP and help the platform out. It doesn't really do anyone any favors aside from yourself if you solely rely on reaping the reward pool's emissions that you subsequently sell and move away from the platform.

He's a perfect example of why I've avoided steem for a long time and why I'm happy to see the change.

What is your purpose by flagging all users who doesn't agree with you and upvoting who does?
This is the whale'ness?

My purpose flagging them is to flag them, remove their rewards, and push them comments below more prominent ones. Go invest in the platform that you're using and then use the stake. That's what I did.

Now if you actually combine the referenced post with this one, you'll see a lot of explanations line up. We still cannot be sure possibly about whether it was premeditated from the beginning, but I'm not sure that's something that can be proven anyway. These explanations were very clear and pointed each concern out. Maybe a few lingering ones as I've scanned the other comments but probably that can be cleared up too. And delegation with no communication? That is pretty damn plausible if you ask me. Why don't we ask @ned himself? Probably crickets.

I really wish people would start communicating and not just light things on fire.

I dont know u mr selfupvote, but I never saw u on dlive hanging out there or spreading some upvotes for the community....but i see you know where the uvpote button from your own posts/comments are...thats at least something dont give up there is still hope for u

Aaaaaand you're stupid:

Here's my chart:

Here's your chart:

Maybe you could help us all find that self-vote button a bit more often. You know, the one you're demonizing and using. Also, for the record, 8% isn't bad. I'm just pointing out how your comment is . . . stupid.

More ignorant whales, abusively flagging! Thank you for proving Kent's point :)

Pull the Lino dick from your throat for a minute, read some words, then think about them if you're able to grasp the skill of reading comprehension.

Perfectly clear that your emotions are hindering you from having rational thought. Take a few deep breaths.

In March you posted on Medium. When did you tell Ned?
Your own users?

I respect a business decision, but not a liar.

Best of luck.

It's pretty clear the Steemit, Inc team had absolutely no idea that they were planning to leave, since the Business Developer from Steemit, Inc commented with a Nooooo! on the announcement post and the delegation was taken away after informing the whole Steem community.

That is a clear zero in business ethics and will come back like a boomerang to Charles Wayn over and over again. The crypto world is very small, and everybody will know that he is not someone to trust in.

We don't need to worry about it, he just completely destroyed his own image.

You read my thoughts Marly! Mighty disappointed by all this. :(

Yeah, same here Meghan... It's hard to believe that they consciously decided to act like this.


Please consider replacing best of luck with fuck off or something nastier..

"No communication with Ned" I find to be a plausible explanation. No proof, but we need to keep that as a possibility as well.

But users, yes. That was certainly a jarring transition to put it mildly.

For those who shared the screenshot of Proof of Human Engagement paper on Medium from the Lino Team. Please just read the whole paper before making comments. It has nothing related to DLive.

You guys are scammers. Lino is a joke. There is no chance Dlive will survive.


countdown to apology tour...





So you admit you and your friends discovered blockchain and STEEM together, then your friends decided to build a blockchain while you build DLive, but that moving to their blockchain happens to be a coincidence, and there was absolutely no premeditation?

Bullshit. You knew them since college, it was a full plan.

look at the screenshots I shared above heimi... these are half baked truths here.

Did you go to college?

Did you ever go to jail?

Fucking LOL bro you seriously fucked yourself, how the fuck could you ever think doing all of this was a good plan, unless you're limiting the release of your project to only mainland china. Holy fuck.

Time to call the ONO people in few months ....

Youre such a fuck up Kent that i feel sorry for you. Its clear from your posts and comments that you didnt expect the backlash..

Let me give you a short marketing 101 course from someone with a marketing degree... Put it in your CV.
"People that dislike your service tell 3 times more people about not liking it then those that enjoy it, tell people about liking it".

Youre such an opportunistic parasite that you are now a liability to Lino because you draw in negative attention from one of the most active and outspoked blockchains out there.
The idiot Tone Vays screwed Steem over so much that if it wasnt for his bs Steem would have a billion $ market cap....
Now consider when you have 100s of Tone Vays at your throat,minus the idiot part.

you just played yourself

Get yourself a degree in common sense and human decency.

$80,000 a month in server bills!!!! Haha you guys are really good man.... So you guys spent half a million dollars on server costs in six months? Or should I say $960,000 in a full year? I'm not a seasoned business man but IF this is true than why are you mad at Steem? You built your dapp to not charge any Beneficiary rewards. To me it seems like you guys came here with bags of cash to see of Dlive would work. It did and you guys became very popular. But is it Steem's fault that you guys had such a bad business model? No it isn't. You may pull the wool over some of these guppies eyes but not me homie. I'm from the streets and I know your kind. In Hip Hop we call your kind Culture Vultures!!!! So please don't cry about how this didn't work. You guys were doomed from the start!!!! I always thought it was strange that you guys didn't charge for using Dlive. Now you saying you guys paid 80k a month in server bills. I was one of the first people to use the live streaming service and I hate to see you guys go but I am even more happy that you guys revealed your true intentions. As for the attacks you are getting from Steemers I don't agree with racial and ethnic insults but common what did you expect. I hope you guys treat Lino better than you did Steem oh wait you guys have 20 Mil so Lino users should be fine. So will Lino pay the 80k a month?

I will end this by saying


My comment on one of their transparency shitpapers about them setting a 0% take bringing up issues of how they planned to fund the project long-term held up well.

The only Lino users they will have are from here. lol. there is not one other app on it.

They are free to go, and it is sad.... They will take a few vloggers with them, they will be building from the ground up...

Would have been a lot less scummy to tell the participants of your logo contest your intentions. Maybe host the competition after you left.

You literally just had people spend their time working on something they believed in, only to radically change shortly after.

I wonder how many designers worked on logos only to feel betrayed now. Kinda shitty of you, tbh...

Logo contests in generals have always been a cheap way to have a ton of proposals and only pay for one. But yeah doing that just before leaving the whole blockchain is even worse...

true, I was a lot more forgiving on this contest though since it was all tied in through the steem community. Idk, it felt more friendly. Guess I was wrong about that though, lol.

Also, I just remembered, they asked for submissions through Disqus, instead of through Steem. Getting logo submissions as Steem comments would have at least allowed those who entered to have the potential to earn a little through upvotes... what the fuck dlive...

I was going to design a logo for that contest but ended up not having time. I'm glad I didn't.

scammy? 500steem doesnt look like scam or? and even the ones who didnt won have gotten some Upvotes on the next posts. You guys can just bash bash bash. Is it your buisness? are u an employee from Dlive who dont like that step? or did u Invest big Money in Dlive? I GUESS NOT!

...lol, what the fuck are you saying? I didn't say scammy, I said scummy. There's a difference.

I'm not claiming that the logo-contest was a scam, I'm clearly saying that having passionate designers create something for a secretly changing platform is scummy.

Don't get fanboy-vision on me, re-read what I wrote.

EDIT: Hey man, I just saw you type in someone's stream that you apparently don't speak english well. Just in case english isn't your first language, it might be beneficial for you to know that scummy is not the same as scammy.

Scummy can be read as "rude", "dishonest", "mean", "unmoral / bad".

ah sry i apologize my englisch is not so good. Sryyyyyy xD

Apology accepted, no worries. I get how learning a new language can be rather difficult. Hell, I sometimes have trouble speaking just my one :P


How about a Song Stu? No Big-Whale no cry!Nooo Big whale noo cryyy

it might have to happen haha :P

As I've said before, the way this was handled was horrendous, to be honest. Leaving is one thing, but doing it so quickly, having people design your logo for you without knowing the purpose, and making the jump on the day of HF20 is just all a bit questionable at the very least, and in Meno's post linked in this thread displays, it looks downright like an evil plan at the worst.

I'm willing to give this new DLive a chance, I used this service pretty much daily and like posting my garbage meme videos wherever I can get away with it, but my trust and faith in the team are really at an all time low at this point. I value transparency above all else, and this was very very manipulative and not transparent at all.

These answers are good, but they aren't good enough. I appreciate the change in content migration at the very least. It's a good first step, but I'm not sure that's going to really be good enough.

Don't get manipulated by them. Don't go on their new website. Unsubscribe from their mailing list.

If you want more proofs of their manipulations I invite you to read on my yesterday's post: https://steemit.com/@heimindanger

Read your post, but I'll respond here for better context.

My response: Yikes. Didn't know some of that, and it definitely changes my perspective. That 'bonus content' image is pretty fucking damning and I'd love to see that addressed lmfao

It was the platform that made me grow and I'm thankful to them, and Dtube is super centralized where it only rewards finger or his friends. Dtube Discarded to upload videos

Thank you for elaborating on costs. The people claiming this was a scam to milk steempower are incredibly ignorant.

and hypocrites if they're upvoting their own posts that bear no true value what-so-ever.

Glad you found a solution for those who don't want to migrate with you, including myself.

I wonder why you used your own account for these announcements. The fact that you just slapped Steemit, Inc (and a whole community of blockchain enthusiasts) right in the face will come back at you like a boomerang whenever you're going to approach a new business agreement.

People will google your name, come here and find out that you're not a loyal and trustworthy business partner.

From all you had been building up here I thought you were a smart person, but that one last step will probably ruin your future career in the blockchain space. I hope I am wrong about that, just because I am not like you.

Dlive in few months..

I made a new logo for Dlive

I'd suggest you try making a giant D out of a dick.

needs to be a bit more graphic....

I dont know why some people talking so unrespectful. You can agree or disagree to this decision but why you flagging everyone who hasn't same idea with you ? I trust DLive and supporting them. Againt thanks Steem for this opportunity. Also thanks to Kent for this very clean explanation. I am very excited for 25th! DLive to the Moon!

Dlive to the Moon!

You and the team are making a great decision and I'm sure DLive will prosper because of it. Very excited for what comes next on the 25th! The response from the STEEM community is a great example of one of the reasons DLive needs this change.

That's true bro!

Well said, these steemit whales are corrupt

as in...we should be happy they coasted on delegated SP to test run their stealth project and then made some flim flam excuse to run away ?

I asked the developer many months ago to help us with tools to back up dlive videos. They said they would do this, never did. Then they blame Steemians for not using IPFS nodes that require a terminal and knowledge of inputting commands , a userbase that migrated from mainly twitch who know not much about computing or terminals . Now , we have built IPFS bots that work through discord with simple !ipfs480 or !ipfs720 command. Next we add backing up videos to directly to these incredibly fast decentralized ipfs networks via the steem blockchain itself. The costs are also inflated, i tried my best to encourage the culture of "seeding" files. This was not done, it was a simple piece of code added to their list and never was completed, before dumping the ipfs network completely. So compare dlive to YouTube now. YouTUbe has a good UI, And you can earn money. Dlive you can't earn anything now, and the UI isn't the best.

@gray00 Are you talking about DLive or the other video sharing platform? If you are talking about your videos lost on DLive, simply share the link here, and I will have our team members fix it for you immediately.

I'm speaking of the 64,125 USD/Month cost, It could have be eliminated if Dlive had built IPFS applications and encoding on the user end. You will face the same problem in Lino. Take my advice. Invest into building this Application, today. You save 64,125 USD a month. Also release this code open source , so other blockchains can prosper. Thank you for the reply.

My friend, please learn more about IPFS so you will know why they cannot help with live-streaming.

Pardon my ignorance because I don't really know the details, but isn't the cost cited not even about storage+IPFS, and just simply the bandwidth itself required for streaming? Those are separate, no?

When did I say live streaming was a good idea for p2p? @omgk . And why does thepriatebay still run smoothly after a decade and being the former leader of internet traffic for many of those years only to be finally overtaken by Netflix. @eonwarped @omgk. I can post the discord logs if you like.

Nah that's not necessary. I just don't know what's involved in the cost figure, so that's why I'm asking. I assume most of the activity is live streaming bandwidth. Can you get rid of the costs for that?

@wa7 Good man, go ahead the whales coruptas of steemit not change, my energy of success

For me as an unemployed but trying to make a living with cash here and there, while enjoying what I love, I am sad to know DLive is leaving and wish this shitstorm never happened. But I am on nobodies side and just think people can have their own opinions and there are good and bad to each story. I will carry on working towards a future while enjoying the gaming content I bring and those that bring theirs and hope we all can just enjoy our lives, continuing with our own thing and keeping communities going.

I am Mr Neutral and I absorb all the positive and negative from everyone involved and wish to blurt out rainbows of randomness because why not! :)

Bye falicia!

@fknmayhem, not sure if you found your way to this.

Yes, I did read this. But thanks for the ping nevertheless.

If anything, this post - which we need to take at face value until at the very least another party “files a complaint”/expresses counterclaims - only confirms to me that we shouldn’t make any judgments at all.

Ironically, a code is law blockchain was supposed to do away with all those emotional debates.

As for the screenshots shown in this comment thread, for me they aren’t conclusive nor actual evidence of malicious intent. Friends may have coded together and while that could indeed consist of many coincidences, that doth not constitute de facto conspiracy. Even not the existence of that folder structure. Related: hackathons.

Edit/Addendum: I did reply to this without checking @jimmylin‘s Steem profile. As previously stated elsewhere I have never used DLive nor ever had any contact with anybody from the DLive team. Neither am I their Discord. I’m just... a chaotic neutral character.

The rational concerns and frustrations are understandable, although it does upset me and my team when people doubt our intentions.

You make me laugh! Your intentions are crystal clear and planned. Good timing a few days before HF20. How is that for transparent intentions?

Yo weird question.

Why didn't you say that you're planning to move to Lino in the contest? Or maybe do the announcement first then the contest?

I joined in the contest, and I was confused on why the theme was ninjas (and also saying that Ninja meaning "a person that has talent"??) and used black and yellow, but I went a long with it because I thought it was fun to make a logo and probably get money or meet new people along the way :shrug:. But I'm weirded out with the lack of transparency. if that is the word(?) (english is not my first language rip)

I'd like to know please. Thanks dude.

@wa7 did you got both balls of Lino CEO in your mouth or just one?

I think there is still a critical shaft missing in this description...

Email verify -

Failed, reason: Error: GraphQL error: 10000:Server Internal Error

What to do?

The Constitution of steemit is corrupt by whales, dlive will be successful to leave

is there a reason for you to believe LINO will not face the same challenges ?

Well Dlive team seemed to be "blacklisting" people from their votes for very weak reasons.

What is this if not corruption?

I support @dlive because they go in search of transparency, ethics and honesty and a real decentralization, instead steemit is full of corrupt whales that are filled with money just thinking about them

Yes and I support president Trump because he's so good to the minorities.

There is no transparency, ethics and honesty with DLive. They have never aimed for decentralization, as it has always been a centralized service and they never aim for anything else.

They are corrupt and will be nothing else on whichever chain they go to. Good luck in supporting Dlive.

I wonder what Silvia Gomez has to say about you using her identity.

Hey @steemcleaners :-), what are you doing this lovely Sunday?

I never said I'm Silvia Gomez, use your photos to write aesthetics content on my blog, plus Instagram is for everyone and free of authorship if you do not know what is copyright, this is my video I'm Diana Cortez


Here you go if you want to know more about Copyright. At least you changed your profile picture already. Good job.


"Las fotos adjuntadas son originales tomadas con mi cámara canon."

"The added photo's are originals and made with my Canon camera."

Care to explain this?

Must we puke before you actually get the fcuk out?

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  • Scam or Fraud

Please migrate @Sutter and @SultryPantyhose. I look forward to staying with your project.

Unfortunate turn of events.

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The founder of DLive comes out with 2 posts in 2 days and @ned has nothing to say? Wierd...

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absolute shameless rubbish. You used the Steem platform to launch your own, one you could have integrated via API technology with one that funded and advertised your product, because this entire profile is clearly a gigantic ad, jthen you bailed on the platform and coin that helped you to launch your really honestly good idea when you could have been synergistic with the community that helped fund your dream of a crytpo streaming service. For this reason, I am recommending to absolutely everyone who considers it that they under no terms support the Dlive site in any way shape or form due to horrendous lack of integrity.

If to explain it in simple words, it sounds like this, threw people through the thigh, or - the grass dried up and went to graze on another field. I hope that there will be reliable enthusiasts in the future.

80k USD for a hosting ? CDN ? ARE YOU OK ? Show the invoices from the CDN and Hosting providers with hours/GB/costs please. I'm running 23 nodes under worker proposal of BitShares and with over 100TB of traffic for less than 2000$.

Or its a BS or you guys are serious noobs.


Please migrate content @SultryPantyhose to new DLive. Thanks.

Bye and please do not come back.

I understand that the service needs to be sustainable though It's not clear how that would happen.

As a SteemIT user I'm not sure if should be using dlive at all anymore.
I finally got a dlive upload to work and it didn't appear in my steem feed. I'm considering moving to dtube if dlive is no longer useful for me... without Steem I'm not sure why I would be using it. It may be easier to just use youtube video links in Steem rather than dealing with the short lifespan of dtube videos.

I am just one user, but I'm sure many others are as confused about how this change really effects us as I am.

Good decision

For those who shared the screenshot of Proof of Human Engagement paper on Medium from the Lino Team. Please just read the whole paper before making comments. It has nothing related to DLive.

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