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1. Dash is centrally controlled. This is a fact.

Dash used to be one of my favorite parts of the internet, since discovering Bitcoin. I spent weeks upon weeks reading up on Dash, after years of learning about Bitcoin and it's faults, Dash (Drk) at the time seemed like a logical next step forward, so I dove head first into Dash for a little over a year and spent a majority of my time working alongside the community to dream up cool projects, spread the word about Dash and so on, once I started asking the hard questions about the core team being accountable, the slander slowly began to build. Before you knew it, I was known as the town troll for "asking too many questions" and was sidelined as much as possible, simply for being critical of the teams decisions and asking them to act in the best interests of Dash, they did not. They are making loads of cash while controlling the "governance system" with large amounts of Masternodes and upvoting their own backdoor deals with companies that are friends of friends and so on . Any sort of critical thinking is not welcome in the Dash ecosystem and you will be sidelined due to it. So be careful. They are acting in their own interests, not in the interest of cryptocurrency. Hence the echo chamber being so powerful.

2. Dash is under researched, overhyped. It's all marketing.

InstandSend is the ONLY good thing Dash has going for it (and its completely wasted), governance is completely and purposely flawed as to enable control for the core team of no only the funds, but the mechanisms that drive the governance system too. You'd be surprised to find out most of the important things sucks as forking and what not are handled by Evan and Evan only, there is no consensus mechanism to force anyone in core to do anything, thus they do as they please and remain largely unchecked in doing so.

Darksend is a gimmick, sure maybe it can't be cracked super easily, but the use of it is a complete joke, not to mention Dash recently teamed up with Coinfirm to track all Dash purchases in the network, sound a little backwards to you? It did to me to. They also have lawyered up using blockchain taxed funds, spent quite a pretty penny (hundreds of thousands) on their own little side projects such as Lamassu ATM integration which still has yet to come to fruition and so on. The point being, Dash is nothing but a big echo chamber, be careful believing anything that comes from that community, they lure you in with false hopes of a better world of crypto currency just to break your heart when you find out they really just want to start their own crypto bankster project for their own selfish needs, that is not what I signed up for.

The Dash I understood when I started reading the docs and listening to Evans videos was a new form of "digital cash" for the people, controlled by the people. The Dash I found was just another wanna be get rich quick scheme covered in all the right hopes and promises. Be weary folks, a REAL digital cash will arrive one day, it might be called Bitcoin, it might be #Monero, hell it might even be #Litecoin if they go privacy first, but one thing I do know is it will not be Dash, until the entire core team is gone and the community controls Dash.

3. The Dash community is disingenuous. The "governance system' is flawed. The Core team controls majority of Masternodes.

Everyone in the Dash community who is left minus a few brave and stubborn souls (achem Camosoul, GrandMaster & Solarminer) is part of the problem, they are all lazy crypto currency supporters who are just here to make a quick buck, the idea of changing the financial landscape forever has been lost to them. When I started with Bitcoin in 2011, the only thing I could ever think was how revolutionary Bitcoin really was and what good it could bring to our planet. Little did I know it was an unfinished product, Dash seemed to fill the gap temporarily, but after spending almost a year devoted to Dash, I quickly learned it was all a sham and some good marketing points. The governance system being the best part of Dash, until you realize Evan owns 400+ Masternodes, Daniel easily owns 200+, Otoh owns 400+, and so on... Well when you only have 3-4k nodes in the entire community and things only need 10% nodes to vote to pass, and the whales started out with Masternodes costing 1% of what they cost now, you can see how the community can quickly end up in the control of 'bad whales'.

Point being, the governance system is a joke, its as much of a governance system as a bankster scam aimed at making you feel like you are winning, while they are winning 1,000 more than you. How are those crumbs tasting fellas?

4. Darkcoin was a far superior coin to Dash, yet here we are. Why you ask?

Darkcoin was the basis for what Dash became, but Darkcoin was also MUCH more ahead of its time, back then Evan wasn't coding for revenue, he was coding to create an idea, that idea was a sort of 'digital cash' based on Bitcoin. Within a year or 2 his vision slowly changed into creating "Paypal 2.0" (and yes thats a quote rom him and multiple core team members, not my words). And that is where I call BS, they say anything they can to get some coverage and don't give a single damn about delivering the proper product. The Dash team will NEVER deliver a true digital cash, because that is not their end goal. Darkcoin was on the right track, but Dash is a completely different direction, hell Dash is actively running away from privacy as it is anyways... look at coinfirm...

5. Evan Duffield lacks a spine and a moral compass to do the right thing with Dash. Ryan "Babygiraffe" Taylor & Daniel Diaz are wanna-be failed banksters with a selfish end game that influence Evan heavily.

As I stated already Evan Duffield was on the right track with Darkcoin back in the day, but slowly over time he seemed to have morphed his vision of what digital cash should be from being an open sourced, community controlled, instant, private digital asset toooooo controlling your money, controlling the governance mechanism to ring as much money out of the project before it collapses on itself, getting their own office space paid for by the blockchain, paying themselves large sums of money and so on... doesn't seem right when there are villages all around the world dying for access to a worldwide economy now does it?

Ryan Taylor is an ex bankster with a selfish end game. This guy came around to Dash shortly after myself, was cool at first while he worked his way into the core team, but once things became a little more heated he quickly buckled down onto his knees and stopping trying to fight for the idea of a better Dash and became a leach himself. They hired him for help with finance, and ever since he's been the biggest figure in the Dash community besides Amanda in the public realm, you wonder why don't you? He's in it for himself, not for Dash, not for crypto currencies. He just wants his former bankster glory back.

Daniel Diaz is a complete half assed wanna sneaky snake like scammer. He's been around Evan since the beginning and he's the one that I attribute to ruining Evan's moral compass. He's the one who envisioned this crappy "paypal 2.0" idea and tried shoving it down the communities throat with deceit, lies and made up stories. He's the one who put his neck out there and said "WERE GETTING ON LAMASSU ATM'S!!" almost a year ago, and $100,000 later and countless excuses, there are still 0 Lamassu ATM's in the world... He's the reason the "governance" in Dahs is broken, because he has poisoned the well and turned Dash into a leeches paradise.

6. It's either 1 huge scheme or they really lack a higher purpose.

I could never really figure out which one it was, but after a few months of reflecting back on this I feel like it was a mix of both. People like Daniel and Ryan are scheming/leeching while people like Udjin (the best dev easily) and Evan are simply following the herd. I feel as if Dash was capable of being 1000x the product it is today if they would have embraced more decentralization, more worldwide change and more of a community focused mindset, then Dash could become the first truly decentralized economy, basically a skynet if you will. But the core team doesn't see it that way, they just see a big ol piggy bank when they see Dash, it's quite sad honestly. Hopefully someone clones the entire damn project and does it the right way, that'd be the best altcoin IMO. Either way, still not really sure whether it's one huge team scam or they just don't see the greater good they could be doing, or maybe they don't care? Who knows.  All I know is echo chambers never did a lick of good in the past and they damn sure won't start now.

7. The Dash core team is power hungry. The Dash community is blind.

As has been touched on earlier in this post, the Dash team has lost it's way. Dash could have been a world wide economy, the governance system could be used to employ ANYONE in the world, and yet they are sitting here hiring random companies that thier friends just happen to run to do stupid things like try and get ATM's set up everywhere, which is so backwards it makes no sense. Dash has InstandSend, people have smart phones. What the hell are they doing dropping $100,000+ dollars on ATM's you ask? Kickbacks I say, kickbacks. And the sad part of this is when you start pointing these types of things out to people in the community, the core team starts pinning you as a troll and what not just to run you off. This has happened countless times since the times of Darkcoin and I hope people will chime in and help people realize this isn't just a big old ranting post.

8. Dash COULD have been so much better, but greed killed it before it even got started.

Bitcoin was mean't to change the world, but has fallen short thus far. Dash came sooo close to filling the gap, but human greed seemed to have ruined any cryptopunk or libertarian ideology. People in charge of Dash think libertarians are stupid and childish (another quote), and that just never made sense to me.. Bitcoin was supposed to a libertarians dream come true, so when did this goal change? I'm still here waiting for the world to change, but in order to get there we'd have to have a fully decentralized or atleast distributed system that is fair for everyone, and provides everyone the same access to community funds in order to start creating a more economic model of crypto currency that can perform a proper digital asset with all the appropriate features such as speed, privacy, control and worldwide scalability. So far all the coins are falling short in one way or another and one day I think someone will hit the nail on the head and we'll either see that tech baked into Bitcoin, or some random coin take off overnight... not sure which yet. The main flaw of the Dash project seems to be greed, and lack of a moral compass.

9. Dash is basically a huge echo chamber supporting its own weight due to the Masternode system, it's nowhere close to being "digital cash' as it's marketed. 

The biggest problem I found in this community and the same one that is true of most pyramid schemes is there is a massive echo chamber effect, everyone who sings the praises of Dash is a wonderful community member and is always talked to with respect and what not, but the second you start questioning things and making people feel as if they are being held to a standard, people will quickly turn around and happily tell you to leave because thinking is hard and people don't like things to be hard. I honestly think the people that are going to lose the most money when the core team decides to dump is going to be those exact users, which is sort of sad when you think about it. Sounds alot like a pyramid scheme to me, anyone? Lol oh and they even added a rating system which auto censors posts that get 4+ troll ratings, which they use VERYYYYY often to hide the complaints about them to the general public.

10. Dash is NOT Digital Cash, Dash is wanna be PayPal 2020, does any actually like PayPal? Thought so.

I've had repeated conversations with the core team in the past and various community members who blindly support them and I've asked them which they would prefer, digital cash or Paypal 2.0, and to my surprise the only ones who actually support the whole Paypal idea are the people in charge (core team) and their blind followers, because who wouldn't want to be the next billion dollar company? I mean I get it, but what happened to changing the world and doing it the right way? 

Besides we all know PayPal is going to crush Dash in the long run, they are a billion dollar company getting put in a corner, I wouldn't be surprised if they already had eyes on Bitcoin & Dash and the recent acquisition of TIO which will give them access too hundreds of thousands of kiosks world wide, so much for that Lamassu Deal eh Daniel?

Good luck with your investments, always keep your eyes wide open, you never know when the floor is going to fall out from beneath you. And yes this is all true, and no I'm not trolling, just thought with all this Dash hype we could have a dose of reality.

Best wishes folks.


Some links for the lazy:





My quit post in September covers alot of my feelings back then pretty well:


Want more fun links to read? just ask! I have soooo many more I can pull up lol.


¨Evan owns 400+ Masternodes, Daniel easily owns 200+, Otoh owns 400+, and so on...¨ & ¨And yes this is all true, and no I'm not trolling, just thought with all this Dash hype we could have a dose of reality¨ I used to own 420 masternodes but that was ages ago, it is super easy to track and I am totally open about it as well, I now own just 76 masternodes which is 1.72% of them or 1.069% of all DASH, plus 9 masternodes that I hold for friends (soon to be 10). I am not part of some cabal, I voted against some of Evan´s proposals when I had more masternodes and hardy voted for or against anything as ppl can see, anyway they have now been mostly distributed to a much wider ownership base, all of whom are vastly in profit btw, do try and get your facts right, check here to see how many I have anytime in future: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/wallet.dws?188207.htm (my previous #1 addie). I have had overwhelming requests recently for OTC sales, but now being very well hedged I rejected them, I imagine they are now going to buy on the exchanges, some are wanting up to $12k per week, others straight in with $0.5MM & a regular buyer wants $1MM plus again, maybe I sold a few too many but if DASH does as I expect it will then I will be perfectly all right with my present holdings and rewards.

Thanks Otoh for this update!

TheDashGuy was toxic almost from the beginning. I tried to be open minded and interact with him and his small clan. But TheDashGuy is grinding an axe here. Just because you have a vision of what you wanted DASH to be...doesn't mean its the vision of the majority. You were a big cry baby on Slack and on the forum and toxic as hell. We all squeezed you out because everyone was tired of your constant whining. Good riddance. And if there are those that can't read between the lines on you drivel....they too deserve to join you. We don't need toxic people in our community. Good luck out there...I'm sure the scum from Monerons would love to have you on board...your toxicity would fit right in with the shitbreakers, smoothies and the rest of their ilk. Later.

Who is this dashguy? He sounds seriously butthhurt about something. All his points in this article are irrelevant. He sounds like a troll.

How can we know you don't secretly own more masternodes? That can't be disproven can it.


Anyone who agrees and would love to help spread the word, please resteem this or tweet it! It's our job to make sure people don't get burnt!

I don't agree with everything, but your post raises some interesting points. Resteemed

I encourage a healthy discussion about this issue honestly. This was something I tried to encourage time and time again to foster critical thinking in the Dash community but was constantly attacked by members of the core team and labeled for doing so. What parts do you think proved most interesting? What parts seemed personal? Because I promise you this is all from the heart :D

I've chatted with a few people, privately from the community that aren't at all happy with the newer direction DASH is heading in. There has always been questions about the amounts of coins certain people hold going way back to the Darkcoin days, and I also find the whole Coinfirm thing a bit suspect for a "privacy centric" promoted cryptocurrency.


As an investor I passed on Dash by because:

  • Their community is far to aggressive with defending Dash's image
  • The development team seems inbred

One day something will happen that they can't fix easily, so they will try and cover it up. When you cover things up they blow up. It becomes a huge scandal and alot of people lose alot of money.

The Dash Guy turns on DASH? Plot twist.

Maybe you should give up your username. Or change it to the anti DASH guy. lols.

I'm not even trolling. Criticism of all coins is essential, go for it.

Just saying, the irony is strong in this one.

If I could change my name I would.

Still the same old me, just these guys wanna vilify me lol, because they don't want the outside world to know of the sketchy activities going on in Dash.

You did an awesome job here. The newcomers to crypto can be quickly influenced by the type of marketing that Dash does.
Others might like this youtube interview that talks about a lot of the points you mention. CryptoScam - Dash

People are slowly waking up to the sneaky style marketing going on the in the crypto industry.. just doing my part!

I am with you brother. Thank you for the informative post. Upvoted, followed. Cheers have a good day.

Thanks to you good sir! I'm just looking out for my fellow crypto enthusiasts who may go blind from time to time with excitement :p

I was about to invest heavily in Dash, expecting that price will go down with BTC going up but after reading your blog, i think i need to reevaluate Dash as good investment in first place
Thnx man

LOL. so low. Sell all coins when someone writes FUD :D Use your own brain and head to make decisions not others opion.
And here you can learn more great info :

Yeah, an employee interviewing her boss. Yeah, you will learn a lot from that. LOL.

Sorry to hear that.
Since 2 days ago dash is up what 10 or 15%. :/

Don't listen to troll, this guy was never accepted in the Dash community.

Yes you are right about Dash price, impressive, but still i need to reevaluate :)
Thnx for input @lebubar

This is a shocking read.
Personally I have always had a bad feeling about DASH but I could not put my finger on why. Still I like to trade and saw it was going up and so bought some a while back. If I sell now I will make a good profit.
How certain can you be that there will be a dump.
I mean that Amanda B will have her reputation ruined.

Always trust your gut. If it smells like a fish and looks like a fish, but screams Im a T-Rex, it is NOT a T-Rex.

Just sold my DASH.
Hope I dont regret it. Made a good profit though.
So far I have done well on trading.
I usually pick coins I like as well as ones that have a good base to them but I did not do that with DASH. I fell for the marketing I admit it. They were clever to get a pretty face to represent them.

Im looking into BURST at the moment.

big mistake as the market is proving. everyone who wanted to dump large amounts of dash already did it long ago. you should not take financial advice from disgruntled employees. good luck with your new investments.

He presented a good case to my ears and my ears are all that matter to me.
I bought ages ago and made a good profit when I sold all mine so I am happy. If DASH rises makes no difference to me.
The fact that you write to me to tell me I made a big mistake proves to me that I did not. Thank you, now I now I did the right thing.
My other investments are doing fine.

Im invested in dash, so Im following you to keep reading thanks for the heads up

Thank you for the article.

To investors:
Please... Do NOT invest in something you don't understand...
That goes for fiat as well...

I only took a fast look at your article and didn't read it all but you didn't seemed to mentioned the ninja mining that occurred very early in darkcoin days. Have you heard and researched it? What are your thoughts about it?

I have and I purposely wanted to introduce all the new information, everyone has heard of the obviously true insta mine that happened that Dash desperately tries to cover up, and it only turns away the moral investors. The ones who hope to get rich quick still jump right on in to the ponzi...

nobody tries to cover anything up. it's all over our wiki and forum and several articles have been written and it is posted about almost every day on the BTCtalk reddit. you sure did not seem to have a problem before you sold at half the current price a month or so ago. butthurt

I don't think it's fair to say they "desperately" try to cover it up, I've seen it mentioned and explained on their official channels.

They did try to cover it up until @smooth et al caught them red-handed and so they had to change to position of trying to justify it all. All the documentation is on BCT's forum.

Thanks for posting. I remember we posted back and forth last summer. I actually have really been into dash as well and reading everything on it. They are good marketers, especially to newbies but that's important.

But why are you worried they are trying to make money from their invention. I think the core philosophy of master node makes sense. They should only vote for things that will help the network. Having 18k tied up in a masternode would not make sense to give. 100k contract to a friend unless you thought it would make your masternode worth more. It seems there incentives are aligned no matter how concentrated ownership is. Marketing is the best use of block rewards to get the price higher. ATM are maybe not a great investment but they are great marketing. Put them in a video, it's very visual.

I want to hear more about these concerns but I guess I am ok as long as incentives are aligned and it does seem they are aligned.

@thedashguy VIVA has default strong privacy, a user driven governance model and the dev team responds to users directly. We haven't even launched yet but when we do, we have ATMs and debit cards in place already. Our first debit cards have already been issued and there are already ATMs in place that deal in VIVA.

That's because we've focused on our work rather than our hype cycle.


If you're interested in learning more, send me an email. [email protected] and I'll get you an invite to our slack channel where you can see everything we're doing.

Great article!

lol, you sold your dash when you shouda hodl your dash. now that the price has exploded it really hurts huh? gotta make excuse why you made a bad financial decision. if dash is so bad why are you still so obsessed? why be a white knight CJW? why be that dash guy? what competing projects are you now involved in?

any evidence evan owns 400k dash or diaz owns 200k?
the rest is all half truths and troll slander.

Quite the contrary actually, I don't want people trying to diversify from BTC (news flash thats the only reason Dash and ALL altcoins are on the rise) and into Dash then losing all the hard earned profits for you get rich quickers to screw them over and leave them holding the bag.

There's FOMO and there's AMO. (Actually missing out). I think you're suffering from a bout of the latter.

Of course I could be wrong. You could be so genuinely concerned for your fellow citizens that you'd go to the trouble of writing a pageful of unsupported teenage spite directed at otherwise hard working professionals for not adopting your philosophical priorities.

Then again they're still here working for the community and you're not.

Lets see what 3 years of market growth has to say about it. Looks like get rich but "not so quick" to me.

Dash Chart 1
Dash Chart 1

so bitcoin is what you are invested in then. i've been in dash for almost 3 years and won't sell my masternodes for a million each. so no get rich quick nothing and i am holding all my dash.

I agree with matermined710 here, u went all in on your dash a while ago and now write up this long winded post to stop others from adopting the currency and doing something great. I mean in all honesty this is a bit pathetic, if u believe u could do better then I would highly recommend you start off your own coin and we will see what issues you face down the line. Please don't ruin it for others just becuase your experience was bad.


Dash has been getting 10% of portfolio for over a year. It has treated me well. If it becomes PayPal 2.0 then even more of a Yay from me :)

Hopefully someone clones the entire damn project and does it the right way

I think PIVX (or darknet) is a clone with some privacy improvements. Any thoughts on that coin?

So you think the main problem is they the Core Dash team controls much of the coins, which they have been staking and earning interest in their Master Nodes? Sounds very scary if they end up dumping at high prices. Do we have any idea how many coins this small group of people controls?

@thedashguy I think you need a snickers....

Any developement to make steem anonymous?

I followed and upvoted you. Please follow and upvote back. Thanks!

The world monetary system is about to collapse. When it does people will flood into Bitcoin because it is first and foremost a reliable store of value like Gold. Dash and other alt-coins may or may not survive the collapse so why speculate on a transactional currency that no one really uses? Just buy Bitcoin and be safe, AFTER the collapse diversify into alt-coins not before.

Bitcoin is also on the verge of collapse, and I would say much more so than the world monetary system.

According to a lot of people, Bitcoin has been on the verge of collapse from the start. I find it funny how they keep saying that every year and every year the value continues to rise.

I was thinking about shorting Dash in margin trading not but 5 minutes ago, looking a bit top heavy.

This seems more like a personal issue than anything else to me, and didnt do a good job at persuading me.

The collapse of Dash will be epic! I look forward to the show.

Great read, thanks for the effort.. Resteemed. And followed.
I have alittle invested in Dash, too. The recent jump in prices made me suspicious, though. There is just nothing to back it up.

Check out VIVA. I believe it will have what you are looking for: decentralization, sustainability, privacy, and honor.


"Crypto Meets The Real World: VIVA is a cryptocurrency designed for the real world, with market pegged assets that actually maintain their peg and a built in gateway to fiat."

My greatest concern was that around only 1/4 of the masternodes even bother to vote and just a few whales (around 4-8 individuals) can control the budget.

Not saying they do but those are the numbers

So we're do you go from here?

very nice points, and of course.. you were the last person to be expected to write this!

you don't know him very well then. he was the first person i would expect to write this. he has been very destructive in the dash community for a long time now.

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