Steemit's Only Problem: Whales (And Others) Acting Like Banksters

in #whales7 years ago

I will start out by saying that not all Whales are like this. In fact, many are the exact opposite. At the same time, this mindset/behavior is not exclusive to the Whales. It exists at every level, thus must be pointed out.

Over the past couple months I defended the Whales from what I perceive as unfair attacks. Much of this is done, in my view, out of jealousy. That said, there are a few things I want to bring up that go counter to what I believe the Steem blockchain is all about.

My last few posts had "Sharing is Caring" in the title. I believe this is the main tenet on this site. Ultimately, this can start at the bottom but it is much easier when it starts at the top. Some might take offense to this but I learned long ago that at times we just have to let the chips fall as they may.

Jamie Dimon gets blasted on this site, usually for valid reasons. Make no mistake, I think Dimon and his elitist bankster buddies are the scum of the Earth. For decades these people enriched themselves while enslaving others. The fiat based system is what puts the power in their hands. They can print up money while putting onerous terms on anyone who doesn't have said money. Failure to pay and they take your stuff while screwing up your credit for 7-10 years (which messes up your prospects for most anything financial).

What is a damn shame is to see people on here who rail against the likes of Dimon doing the same thing. In fact, compared to some of these people, Dimon is a generous guy.

For the past few weeks I pointed out the actions of @fulltimegeek, @stellabelle, and @wwf. Each of them delegated substantial amounts of SP (more than 50%) that was in their accounts. What is heartwarming about this is that they did it without charge.

Sadly, while this behavior is not the norm, there are other examples. @ned delegated 500K to utopian.io to help further their cause of open source work. From what I read, someone delegated 1M SP to D.Tube to assist in their voting power in an effort to lure users away from YouTube. It is my understanding that each of these transactions comes without strings.

In my view, each of these 5 examples shows the new way of thinking. They are not looking at their ROI (a bankster term). Instead, they are looking at the growth of the ecosystem and what it provides to the users on here. Each is trying to develop this blockchain through the people (whether it be developers or content creators).

Now let us compare that to what we see so common on here. There is a practice called leasing SP. What happens here is people will "rent" out steem power to someone in an effort to create a ROI. Do you see a different mindset from the one exhibited by @fulltimegeek, @ned, and the others?

The problem with this practice is that, no matter how you dress it up, it is still banking 101. Entities that rent out money do not collect rent, they collect interest. And the entities that rent out money are called banks.

Ironic, that people on here complain about Dimon yet have no problem becoming the bank themselves.

But wait it gets even better.

At least with Dimon, I can get a decent interest rate. If my credit is good, I can get money from him at 5%-9% depending upon the type of loan. I see some "leasing" out SP for 15 per 1000 SP...or 1.5%. The only challenge is this amount is monthly. That is 18% annual interest. WTF...I do better than that on my credit card.

Damn, ole Jamie would be proud. So would the loansharks in the neighborhood I grew up in.

I am not a religious man but I believe the term in one of those books is "usury". What is ironic is I was able to uncover two people who are doing this posting Bible quotes in the religion/scripture section. I have news for them, if what their book says is true, their Lord has a place for them for all eternity....just be sure to bring sunblock.

Why do people do this? What are they so set being what they despise? I mean honestly, the past 20 years makes it very difficult to defend bankers in any manner. Obviously, they are conditioned to get all they can and squeeze every dime out of a situation they can.

Everyone who reads my posts knows exactly where I feel STEEM will be in a year. Someone with 30K+ STEEM is going to be very well off at the time. Even if I am only 50% right, that is still a crapload of money. Now, I do not besmirch someone becoming wealthy, or making as much as they can. I do not believe in caps or limits.

That said, let us suppose someone has 500K. At the moment, that is roughly $1M. For example sake, we are going to presume that person wants $10M or a ten fold increase. I have no problem with that. At 18% annually, it will take roughly 4+ years to double the money. That is a sensational return. This is the approach of the bankers, they focus upon how long it takes to double their money.

Of course, they are not concerned about an ecosystem and what happens to the dollar. I am going to presume that people on here care about the price of STEEM.

Now the $1M will also turn into $10M if the price of STEEM goes to $20 (a no brainer in my opinion). Naturally, there are many variables of what drives the price of STEEM up (or down). However, let us presume that, at some point, what is occurring on the blockchain and the user base ties into that a great deal.

So let me ask you, what will enhance the ecosystem more, putting money out there to try to get an ROI or empowering people to dedicate themselves to moving forward? Some might say, why not do both?

My answer to that is look @fulltimegeek and the results he has. I use him as an example because I was delegated SP by him plus I know he is monitoring weekly what is being done with the 350K he put out there.

At 1.5% a month, @fulltimegeek is "sacrificing" 5250 in SP interest (I am sorry "rent") a month. Over the course of a year, that is a lot of money. Or is it?

He delegated SP to roughly 25 people. Personally, I know I am upvoting a few hundred different people a week. I do not know the average but lets say 100 people are touched by each of the 25, that is 2500 people or basically 10% of the active daily user base.

Of course, there are conditions that he set forth. When one "rents" STEEM, the only condition is to "pay me". You can not even log on for all I care as long as you pay me. As long as I profit, who cares?

@fulltimegeek's conditions aren't financial, nor are they difficult. His sole condition is someone has to be using the SP each day. People who maintain 100% VP are not fulfilling the terms and subject to having the SP revoked. He basically is pushing people to touch 100 people a month with his SP.

So, what is going to affect the blockchain more, someone getting 1.5% on the SP or @fulltimegeek essentially "employing" 25 people to go out and positively impact, motivate, and upvote 10% of the active user database? Of course, none of this takes into account the other users who are impacted as the second and third generation of all these upvotes.

Here is the major difference:

When I "rent" SP, I am concerned what I get out of it. I need to upvote in a manner that pays me. It is a business transaction and I am forced to look at my own ROI. The one delegating the SP to me could care less if I profit as long as the rent is paid. Therefore, so they do not "foreclose" with penalty, I need to look out for my own return.

Under the scenario that @fulltimegeek set up, there is no ROI pressure because there is no monetary contract. Spend the VP that comes with the SP each day...that is the condition. That said, I can tell you from experience that there is a feeling of responsibility that comes along with that SP. I believe the spiritual/religious circles call it being a "good steward". I am entrusted with SP to try and improve this site. To do that, I need to support and upvote others. That is how stewardship in this arena works.

To me, that is the banker versus non-banker.

Too much of the first and we will see 6 cent STEEM again.....a boatload of the second, $100 STEEM is in the sights.

Now that I wrote all this, is there ever a reason to "rent" Steem Power? My answer is yes and I found a couple of examples.

The first is @cryptoctopus. He is a Whale which means he most likely know what he is doing. I am not going to try and relay what he is doing, I will let his own words tell the story:

I bought almost 200,000 SteemPower in Delegation From BlockTrades . You've read that right! I will double my SP so that my upvote on your thoughtful comment is worth 2X as much as it is right now. I figured that with the SBD being that high, it would be a great help for my followers to get extra $$$ from their comments.

I hope you will join my fanbase. I will admit, this is not 100% altruistic. I sure think it's cool that I will finally be able to reward my most engaged followers with a generous upvote. I'm sure it will make a big different for them. It's also important to spread the STEEM around to the most amount of people as possible. But I'm also motivated by the fact that as I get my fans to get more and more SteemPower, their upvote will be worth more and more on my post over time. It's a Win/Win after all.

For full story:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@cryptoctopus/a-special-something-my-most-engaged-followers-i-hope-other-whales-will-do-this-too

@cryptoctopus decided to rent 200K SP to upvote his loyal followers in an effort to increase their SP. Obviously, Jamie Dimon would not be very happy with this approach which means that @cryptoctopus is a non-banker Whale.

The other is @jerrybanfield. He posted a couple weeks back that anyone who used his name in the tag section would make his voting bot and receive an upvote. This was open and free to anyone. Since that time, he ceased the free and started charging. Ergo, @jerrybanfield is charging for upvotes (another for of leasing). So why do I mention this?

Some time ago, @jerrybanfield had the idea of setting up a budget to fund new projects that benefit the steem blockchain. He believes that people should be able to submit ideas for funding, whether they are for development or marketing, in an effort to receive monies set aside for said purposes. Since I presume the idea didn't go anywhere, he decided to fund it through his voting bot.

Here is the story:

https://steemit.com/budget/@jerrybanfield/promote-steem-posts-and-fund-budget-proposals-with-our-voting-bot

In the first 36 hours, there were 300 SBD raised which was allocated in full. Here is the story of who it went to:

https://steemit.com/budget/@steempunknet/steempunk-net-mmorpg-on-the-steem-blockchain-already-in-open-beta-testing-attracting-players-from-outside-steem

Once again, since @jerrybanfield didn't directly profit, Jamie Dimon would be disappointed.

Nevertheless, I believe that the actions by @cryptoctopus and @jerrybanfield are going to help this blockchain and, ultimately, the price of STEEM. Their returns will be much greater since they are focused upon the ecosystem and the people in it.

Blockchain is going to destroy the banksters. Therefore, we need to stop this insistent need to behave like banksters ourselves and bring that onto the blockchain.

It seems to me the Whales I mentioned on here understand the new paradigm. I can only hope others will follow.

If your found this article helpful, please give it an upvote and resteem.

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Fuck yeah to all of this! @wwf helped me out with some Steem Power, and damn do I feel a calling and responsibility with it! When I was voting on content I liked and my vote was worth like a cent, I voted on things I liked more just cuz. It did not make much difference. Now that my vote is worth some 20 cents, I make sure to reward content that is aligned with my higher, spiritual ideas and I really want to make that vote count. I also want to spread the wealth! Take down the banksters, and begin a giving economy on Steemit! THAT is what I want to do, GIVE. I mean, I still want to make some money for myself so that it is worthwhile and so that I can buy things that I need to survive, but more then that I want Steemit to succeed so we can ALL succeed, and any profit I make will be for the higher purposes that I have in my life!

Excellent post @skycae.

100% upvote from me to help you along....

If @wwf trusts you, so do I.

Thank you! I am glad to be part of such an awesome community and awesome platform. Ima just rant about steemit to everyone. It seems like the only thing I talk about lately lol. <3

Yay @skycae!

I love the post. I associate the mentality as being the difference between a scarcity vs prosperity model. In a scarcity model, which corporations, banks and governments function on, their goal is to restrict supply and increase demand to drive up prices and profits. However, in a prosperity model, the idea is that there is more than enough to go around. The problem with scarcity thinking within a prosperity model is that there is no profit.

Scarcity models demand that people pay for the basic necessities of life, where in a prosperity model, everyone's needs are met, nobody starves, goes homeless or thirsty. Prosperity models have people sharing and participating where scarcity has people hording and charging.

I see the steemit community moving towards a prosperity model which is a complete paradigm shift in thinking. It will take some time, but I see it unfolding. By sharing, giving and upvoting (which is free and costs nothing to the giver), I see this then shifting our thinking and then having that manifest in the physical realm as well.

I love your article. Well done! I am honoured and touched deeply on a spiritual level my friend.

Great article. @taskmaster4450
Cheers❤

The work has been upvote and follow
Greetings

"The problem with this practice is that, no matter how you dress it up, it is still banking 101."

I believe the difference between SP delegation and what central banks do is that the SP being leased out was earned in some way, so collection of interest on assets that you earned is very different from receiving interest on money that one conjures out of thin air, which is precisely what the banker overlords are doing right now.

I am not sure that is correct.

Not only did some accounts get early access to large amounts of steem, followed by some of the earliest accounts having access to mining which has added up to at least 10 Million Steem to a handful of accounts, but then arguably worse than all of that we had Stake Weighted Inflation set at a ridiculous percent. So, all that early access Steem grew at least 2X and possibly larger simply because we had an absurd inflation on the platform. Instead of it being dolled out in post rewards to active users it went to the people who ALREADY had the most Steem on the platform. Essentially the Steem holders grew their stake by a massive margin and it drove the price down to seven cents.

This is from an article written by @aggroed who seems to have his finger on the pulse of what is going on with this site.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@aggroed/steem-works-a-funding-mechanism-for-a-worker-proposal-system

Take that for what it is worth.

I bought 90% of my STEEM @ $0.90 to $1.10 and my Bitcoin at $250. It's true that early miners benefited from the access to knowledge and the high inflation rate. Similar to how Satoshi did with Bitcoin, but the market will get over it just the same. The technology is just that useful and valuable. Several top coins have selfish or suspicious beginnings. DASH for example. With the launch of SMT's the early mega whales will have less impact on the average user experience going forward. Only if the SMT's are fairly distributed.

I agree with you @robert-call about the steemit system leveling things out. I do not agree with changing the curation system...it actually works well from what I can see. The % of holding of the top 1% decreased in the last year. This trend should continue as more people enter the mix.

Congrats on the BTC purchase and the STEEM too. I am in at between .85 and $1.35 for the most part. SMTs are a game changer....

I do not follow on the comment about fairly distributed...what do you mean?

I think a hybrid ICO/Airdrop solution might be a start for any future SMT's.

I really like this idea from Furion several months ago.

https://steemit.com/token/@furion/giveaway-as-a-token-distribution-strategy

Airdrop a percentage of the SMT to STEEM Power holders and limit the max amount per account to 50k SP. This would hopefully limit the inequality in the distribution.

Thanks for that...very informative article.

It is a great idea.

What is the present system or plan for token distribution under SMT? Is there one?

I would imagine every dapp will launch their own SMT to bootstrap development and create a unique smt-community. I could see several dozen legitimate SMT's in the first few months of the SMT HardFork.

In the SMT whitepaper under "Votability and Rewardability" You can asign several votable assets to a post/comment. So you could see every dapp have its native token supported along side STEEM and maybe a third party dapp token.

In the future a post might get rewarded with $10 of TUBE Tokens, $5 of STEEM and $25 of STEEMIT token... and this could be recreated with any of the dozen or so dapps being built at this time.

LOL holy crap....this could get absolutely enormous very quickly.

People will be getting paid from all kinds of places at the same time. And each token will have a value...with some appreciating more than others....although with Wall Street coming around, it will most likely push all upwards.

Depends on the dapp developers. Steemit, dTube, dLive, dMania, and many others will be able to fully customize the distribution, inflation, and curation/rewards of each individual SMT. Hopefully they will launch Clean ICOs/Airdrops to silence the critics of the initial STEEM distribution. I'm looking forward to it.

I heard that DTube is going to issue a token...are the others going to also?

It would make sense if they do...I just didnt think about that.

Im still trying understand what I'm missing about SMTs. It feels like the only goal is to shrink the value of steem while creating and hosting competitors. I know I'm missing something, but I can't understand why everyone is excited.

LOL holy crap....this could get absolutely enormous very quickly.

People will be getting paid from all kinds of places at the same time. And each token will have a value...with some appreciating more than others....although with Wall Street coming around, it will most likely push all upwards.

I love and appreciate how you explain every reason for delegation, "rent" and the purpose for each.

In reference to "touching" a Minimum of 100 new, or unique steemians every week was something I had already done prior to @fulltimegeek's delegation but I have to admit feeling as if I were an "ambassador" in his proxy now, I tend to visit, comment and UPvote much more.

It is a wonderful thing @goldendawne.

Through the leadership and example of the Whales, we will all grow our accounts and that of those following us....

All win.

Yes definitely a win-win for all of us

Wonderful article. I'm seeing articles being upvoted to promote ideas that feel like propaganda to me. I don't see them as being legit because I am seeing them being upvoted repeatedly by the same users, I doubt the validity of them.

I'm afraid, before long, the top posts will be soda/fastfood/corporate interests, that appear at the top, and what will we do then?

What will we do when the top ideas aren't the best, but paid for by those with agendas and interests in them appearing so?

i think we are going to need tools to see the voting history of a post, who upvoted it, when they upvoted, and history related to the voters to discover patterns of behaviour that will show them out. Because what I am seeing is posts that have like just a few hours of existence having high dollar amounts. I suspect it is to cloud the reality of peoples interests. To that end, they seem to lack material content, and only seek to cloud the issues that are being discuss.

I can't say for sure this is happening, but that is my reflection, given the content, and the lack of substantially interesting conversation. It feels like a circle jerk to me. It is one of the few areas of steemit where I don't feel like it is engaging conversation.

Check this post on 'flat earth' and see how many truly respond or engage the discussion. I try to engage them in debate, but they have given up on me for the most part... They claim they are being scientific, but I fail to see their methods as being so, and think I have a pretty good grasp of it.

I spent my life loving science.. but science is observation, not repetition of ideas given.

whether you agree or not, noticing this type of behaviour could probably be found in other contentious areas, hiding truly new and innovative ideas.

Hello Taskmaster.

I am what...5 days old? Yet I know those you mentioned already, either they are reaching out well enough or good minds attract other good minds :p

For a 5 days old guy on Steemit I am happy with my reputation. I earned that reputation by giving - and I know many people who have lower rep because they only think of getting.

Heck, I'm a Steemit newborn and I'm already sick of the voting bots everywhere. I jumped to a post I saw a lot of comments on and it was 4 or 5 different bots with walls of text explaining their business models.

On the other hand, this we're seeing here is how greed drives man. Those who are greedy and do those kinds of things tend to be the ones at the top, because at the end of the day, they end up getting way more than giving, and they find a way to game the system.

Again, I am a newborn here, and I already learned about voting circles, bots, SP leasing, Voting Lotteries and everything in between. And I already saw a guy whose vote was close to $7 upvote his post and upvote his answers to every single comment.

Know how many commenters got a vote from him? ZERO.

Anyway, the Steemit economy you're talking about right now seems like a Utopia, people look hellbent on continuing these practices, and I'm afraid to say organic people who share their content and vote normally as the platform intends aren't a huge majority.

I love the way you see Steemit and I think this is my view for it as well. Upvoted and followed you so I can see you around.

Cheers

I already saw a guy whose vote was close to $7 upvote his post and upvote his answers to every single comment.

I bet the author didnt get an upvote either.

Sorry, didn't get it :/

I definitely appreciate the spirit of giving that you talk about for folks who delegate their SP without any strings attached! Those are 2 interesting cases for you to think it's ok to rent out Steem Power. I upvote people who comment on my posts, too. I've never thought to do things that I didn't agree with other people doing under different motives. Heck, I didn't upvote myself for months. That wasn't the brightest, I'll admit, lol.

We all learn on there.

I point those two cases out because they had an intention of what they are doing. Few seem to. Plus they are around long enough, I figure they know the game.

People use all kinds of mechanisms to improve this blockchain and site....that is the important thing to me because we will all benefit from that.

I agree with you on your last point, for sure. I'm continually surprised at how ingenious people are at figuring out ways to use the capabilities of the Steem blockchain and Steemit. For better or worse, lol. And then folks figure out how to deal with the 'worse', too. That's part of the reason I enjoy being on Steemit. I've learned a lot of new things and it's fascinating to see the whole ecosystem evolve.

I've got to learn more on how the delegation works on SteemIt. Any suggestions of any Steem posts on this topic matter?

Once again I feel like I'm late to the party! On the plus side I not only got to read a thought provoking gem of an article, but lots of great thought provoking feedback too!

You've covered both sides so well in showing that there is something to be gained for the delegators on both sides, it's just that one way shares the abundance with more and moves away from immediate gain to future investing.

I do wonder if the blockchain will truly destroy banksters. After all, they been doing this for generations and successfully getting more and more control. It wouldn't surprise me if they just find a way to incorporate crypto and the blockchain into their own system.

As for keeping Steemit as a more sharing culture, I do think it's possible. The mentality of many of the users is much more towards that way of thinking than on any other social media platform. You will always get those that are only thinking of themselves and how much money they can make, but we can choose to not to support them. The openness of Steemit shows a trail so you can see how genuine people are being. I came across someone who was a good writer and always left thoughtful comments. Yet he never upvoted any of the work he would comment on, just himself. I returned the favour in a similar manner as I'm a true believer in treating people as you wish to be treated. 😉

Thanks for the reply @minismallholding...never too late to a party.

I am convinced of it...in fact, I wrote another post a few days ago boldly proclaiming the banksters dead. The head is cut off, only have to wait for the body to die. In my investigation into bitshares, it is truly amazing some of the things going on within blockchain that will flat out obliterate the financial sector. Between reducing fees down to the bare bone (compared to what the bankers charge) we are also seeing entirely new projects developing to fund companies.

As for incorporating crypto and blockchain, sure they can do that. So can governments (which are just an arm for the bankers in my opinion). The challenge both have is their need to control. There will be no decentralization. It will be more of their control.

Could this process take a while? Yes. What is offered technologically and the rate that people change are two different things. There are a lot of people who will stay in the system.

I will offer a guess when the bankers hold will be diminished...when you start to see large amounts of people around the world paid by companies in crypto.

Thank you for taking the time to reply to me.

It will certainly be interesting to see what the future brings.

Yes we shouldnt act selflish and be among the community if the whales do that we will totally grow alot more

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