Steemit is a Popularity Contest for the 1% Whales

3 months ago
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The majority of whales are great and have helped this community grow. This is about the 1% percentage of whales that bleed out the Steemit community and give the majority of whales a BAD IMAGE. Some of the 1% whales may have done wonderful things for the community and many of these 1% whales put out great content, but we are not discussing that. It goes way back at the birth of Steemit.

Credit @steemvest17 < give him an upvote

 "Very bad whales ate all the Steem Power burgers at the back of that boat! " -- @mindhunter

Steemians from @smooth own post tells it like it is. Steemit is about popularity NOT High Quality / Valued Content and when the 1% PoweredUp Whales post about this it's time to change the billboards, the buzz around town and retell the true story about Steemit. Bloggers you want to come here to get paid for your content GET PAID FOR YOUR POPULARITY (but first you must have mega steem power) and jump through our hoops to do that, 

https://steemit.com/steem/@smooth/voting-is-a-popularity-contest

 @donkey_kong 

Also I have to include on this comment page how several of these whales view women. It's not a surprise why they treated  @karenmckersie the way they did! Rude!

 " we need to sell newspapers. A story about a famine in Africa does not sell as many copies as a story about a beautiful woman (and the editor screams, "get her tits above the fold"). If it isn't popular, it won't make money. But hopefully, the more people are on here, the more interesting content and niche tags emerge to really tell life's story in different ways" @donkey_kong  (3rd comment down) Just what the steemian ladies want to know about steemit. 

Does @smooth knows what he's talking about when it comes to steemit? How many 1% agree that steemit isn't about HQ but is a popularity contest? As a woman I am glad @Ned has not taken their advise on many issues. It has to be hard for a founder to see all the madness that sometimes invades the community. YES @smooth post is an old post, but, does it ever fit today. This is not a new issue about whales abusing their steem powers it's been going on from the very beginning of steemit time.

It's the good old boy 1%ters who believe it's their very own whale contest and the control of what content gets buried, what people see, and who gets rewarded. If you dare to speak out... good luck, baby!

 DON'T BELIEVE ME read smooth's post. PLEASE READ THE POST & COMMENTS TOO.   https://steemit.com/steem/@smooth/voting-is-a-popularity-contest 


Credit @steemvest17 < give him an upvote

When I came to Steemit at the end of December, I fell in love with the Steemit Community. I wanted to learn all I could so I could tell my family and friends to join, so, I dived into Steemit > head on. Reading as many posts as I could and voting, resteeming and following. Viewing the comments was helpful.  Steemit community is what made me want to tell my world to come over and share their content and get to know the kind, creative, smart, active community I've grown to know. Steemians helping those going through difficult times was and still is a head turner for me. Unfortunately what's in the Steemit rooms is getting too smelly to ignore. They are the 1% too big to fail Whales. 

My question is why would any business want to join steemit when the majority of steem is going to just a few whales while the majority are making nothing and leaving from being ignored?

Look at the reward for this simple but clever post.

https://steemit.com/memechallenge/@kingscrown/meme-challenge-7-entry-1  < I am sure it is much more $$ now.

Credit: @kingscrown

Are you taking a look at the money for these post? The difference from a clever meme of @kingscrown with little text is outrageous compared to the photo manipulated post of @son-of-satire that deserves far more reward then pocket change. THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE and if you look into the wallets of the high paying posts you most likely see a difference in the steem power. How can two posts be rewarded so differently?  Good old steem power voting for whales and the talented dolphins and minnows (and maybe some outside whales) get buried with pocket change. 

Can anyone say? "That's not popularity that's abuse of  power." Unfortunately this has been going on since the beginning of steemit time. Time for a change, critical mass. 

Some whales have even commented that we steemians/people can't judge HQ (high quality) works. So, I suppose out of the goodness of their hearts they control what's HQ content they vote for. Of course, it will be for whales and the peon Steemians can get to go along with it or get DOWNVOTED/muzzled.. What a great way to justify their stinking way of thinking.

Credit: @son-of-satire < upvote this very talented artist

Once in awhile I come across Whale Flaggings, but, I didn't think much about it until @karenmckersie  an elderly steemian lady (who recently got laid off struggling to make money for retirement) got flagged by @smooth for making too much money and reaching the featured page (for the first time in her life!) My 1st thought was "Why?" Soon I found out from older posts this is all about the lowly artists feeding in the 1% whale's reward pool. In other posts I see comments mocking @karenmckersie for thinking she could earn retirement money on Steemit for her content. What a crazy thought, all the while the 1% whales make enough to support several retired people on their buddy/buddy whale votes.  This is more than disturbing, so I have to say something. If the community puts on a smiley face and let's this continue we might be able to see steemit last another year with this same old same old abuse. 

 Credit: Stephen Hillenburg  American marine biologist, cartoonist, animator, storyboard artist, director, producer, and writer. He is the creator of SpongeBob SquarePants (1999–) 

A whale DownVoted my comments so steemians wouldn't see what I was saying. I AM GLAD THE MAJORITY OF WHALES ARE GOOD AND DO NOT ACT LIKE THIS. But, we all need to learn how to outplay these games. We need good whales to help the community to stop the 1% money junkies. We need to learn how to find the buried HQ content and reward and recognize them. We need more tutorials help us stop all this crazy making games and we need to keep addressing this until we see all of the community share in the rewards for their hard work. 

For awhile I thought most of the 1% whales didn't get what was happening, but when I got muzzled (downvoted) I now know that many of these 1 percenters see steemian community drinking from their reward pool. This is not a popularity contest anymore > it's abuse of steem power.

https://steemit.com/memechallenge/@kingscrown/meme-challenge-7-entry-1

  1.  pitterpatter 58  ·  6 hours ago The good old boys making it big while other talented hard working bloggers eat for less. You have an amazing power to do good for this community not just let you and your buddies bleed this community dry. If you quit and keep your eyes shut to what is going on we won't miss you. The few whales give the majority of whales a bad UGLY name. $0.00 5 votes DOWNVOTED my comment disappears
  2. @pitterpatter 58  ·   3 hours ago  They are so ashamed of my reply that they downvoted it. That does says a lot. $0.00  5 votes DOWNVOTED my comment disappears
  3. @pitterpatter 58  ·  1 minute ago OMgoodness! You didn't downvote me. Thank you for showing me that the 1% few whales are downvoting the minnows and dolphins to shut up what is going on. You may be able to silence me, but, unfortunately for you it's not just me that sees the 1% trying to control steemit? This will be put on my next post and you can downvote it all you want. Other people see this going on. By the way, who ever silenced me is a bully. I can't believe you think this is OK to do to new people who want to have a discussion. But it is good I see what you few 1% whales are all about. There will be no doubt that you don't care about steemit community and only want what you want. Mark my words your day will come when you squash your last minnow on steemit. 

I know these 1% whales can at anytime bury my content. I may not get any more power, rewards and recognition but I am in full blown "I don't care what you do to me." I have nothing to lose anymore. I am starting to see how this game works. Right now, I'm making only a few cents on my content so, it doesn't matter if I make the 1% mad at what I post or comment. The 1% downvotes will NOT shut me up. I will continue to do my best and post HQ work and learn as much as I can and get to know the awesome steemit community. Let these 1 percenter whales reveal themselves tossing the minnows and dolphins around. Downvote us all you want and SHOW STEEMIT WHO YOU ARE..

The founders have given us an amazing platform to show off our talents, gifts and strengths, weakness and get rewarded and seen for it. How fortunate we all are. As a community we need to fight for one another to keep it strong like @ned and @dan have created for us. I don't know how we can change this when the few whales and the many bots keep doing burying great content. 

Once the whales and bots bury the HQ posts how do we as a community find those lost steemian HQ posts? HOW DO WE BRING THEM BACK TO LIFE? How do we give minnows and dolphins who have good content their rightful recognition/reward they deserve much like the whales earn with their HQ content. Steemians we need tutorials for all this. We need to play the steemit 1% whales game another way so we all get our just rewards

 Thank goodness for Steemit Block Chain ... IT NEVER forgets.


Credit: @vippero 


THANK YOU for taking the time to read this and support me. Together we can all make Steemit #1 and especially the 1% whales > because once they share the just recognition and rewards we can do anything!


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Remember Steemit is supposed to be a social network. Developing relationships on the platform is also part of the game.

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hey cutie

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what's up hotstuff?

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This post is bad and is full of ranting and hate. Downvoted for spreading negative emotions over the platform.

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I think it's the zeitgeist to be honest, no point in ignoring it. I think there is a lot of misunderstanding here and I've tried to address that a bit in my comment.

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you are sounding like smooth or bernie ;)

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You make a lot of good points in your post and it was a good read.

I also enjoy your comments on my and other members posts with your creative use of images. You have a lot of talent.

My perhaps naive thinking was that Steem Power would eventually get distributed more evenly. I've been on the platform for many months and have now earned over 20,000 SP but it's not enough to nudge the counter by 1 cent most of the time. I still think that we are headed in that direction but i do feel your pain. I just keep plugging away.

Let me try my SP now. You're at 0.0 and when I press my vote?.... Wow 1 cent!

You mentioned the problems but I was wondering if you have any ideas for solutions? What would you propose?

Thanks for opening this discussion.

@kus-knee (The Old Dog)

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Thank you for your kind words and support. Means a lot. I work hard on my post and know what you mean by a few cents rewards but it's not just that when you have low rewards you aren't seen anymore. Unless your friends come to view you. As far as a solution we need minnows, dolphins and the good whales to honor the good content with their votes. The bots are all about the money and what they think will earn them money from the popularity/comments. We need to unite and if we are downvoted for no other reason than to take away rewards or take you off the front page where you are seen POST IT tell others. These few whales won't stop unless we do something different. We need to find a way to get the good content back after it's so far down the list no one can see it. I am also new here but my friend was so mistreated for no reason from one of these whales it woke me out of my steemit day dreams. We need to support one another.

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Not sure if you're referring to @karenmckersie as the one that was mistreated. She came out way ahead as I knew that she would when I and many others donated to her. She's very nice and will be OK.

I just looked at your web site and your cool photo shop work. I'd like to see you post more of them here. Do you promote your posts here? Sometimes for 1SBD you can get on the front page. That has helped me a lot. Do you promote at Steemit.chat? I'm not sure if I have seen you there.

In any case I do follow you and will continue to give you what I hope will one day be my 2 cents worth! :)

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You are very helpful. I have gone on steemit.chat when I needed help with an error on my post. No one was around but I found the solution by myself and let them know. I went back to chat but they were fighting with a newbie so I left. I didn't know about the promotion but I will try it. Do you promote just recent posts or can it be later posts?

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I always promote my posts on steemit.chat there are different rooms in there and I picked about 10 and I put all of my posts in there. The image no longer shows unless you put it separately like this:

https://steemit.com/unemployment/@kus-knee/the-old-dog-advises-if-you-re-looking-for-a-job-don-t-do-this-do-this-instead

There are also many Steemit Facebook groups where you can promote but you have to ask to join them. I am in a 4 different ones.

I only promote the post until it pays out. I hope that this helps you!

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Thank you for the information. I only found 3 rooms in the steemitchat. I will have to go back, again. What do you mean you only promote the post until it pays out? Is that a week? Does a week of promotion cost a lot?

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I am following you. Be right there.

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Steemit.chat costs nothing to promote. A post pays out after more or less 24 hours. To promote on the promotion page you can pay what you want. As I said I can often get on the top page for 1 SBD. You can check how much someone is paying to promote but clicking the triangle on their payout amount. Go to the promotion page and look around.

You are bright and talented. Stay positive and you'll get there!

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Take away the MONEY. Perhaps then, content will actually matter.

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The founders wanted more for steemit and we should too. Why let a few big fat whales topple the whole system down for their own greed/power. It'll never be enough for them. It shows how they downvote bloggers for no reason but to keep the reward pool up for themselves. In mass we have more power and need to figure out how to play the game to change it . I don't know how but as a group with many ideas, experiences and talents we can come up with something. I do know one thing > the 1% have been doing this since the beginning of steemit time making $1000s a post. They've gathered a lot of steem power and there's no way for us to catch up. They won't want to give the control up and we need to get that into our heads and hearts. The way the 1% whales rudely put anyone down for disagreeing with their popularity contest shows us that minnows, dolphins and even some whales don't have a just turn at recognition/rewards.

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This post has been ranked within the top 25 most undervalued posts in the first half of Mar 09. We estimate that this post is undervalued by $5.80 as compared to a scenario in which every voter had an equal say.

See the full rankings and details in The Daily Tribune: Mar 09 - Part I. You can also read about some of our methodology, data analysis and technical details in our initial post.

If you are the author and would prefer not to receive these comments, simply reply "Stop" to this comment.

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Thank you. I don't know if I'm talking to a bot or person... so thank you just in case you are a human.
THANK YOU for noticing but a few steemians will continue to devalue me continue to devalue me with their SP no matter how much you try to help me. These few will continue to devalue whoever they want. These few SP whales say it's a popularity contest until a steemin gets to popular and then they downvote their rewards they earned. What is going on?

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I was thinking the other day - if I just could I would buy so much STEEM to turn all this (good writers' long waiting recognition curve, as it is now) up-side-down!
However, you certainly gain my upvote although you would hardly feel it cause of my low voting (steem) power.

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Thank you for the vote and I know what you mean about our vote hardly making a difference even though we want to on posts that show so much hard work, creativity and talent. It's quite frustrating at times. lol All we can do right now is show our support by resteem and comments. I heard there is also a way to promote yourself on steemchat and the front page for a small steem price. THANKS AGAIN.

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I remember that post. It was very disheartening and I have to confess that I took his advice and "played the game" for a while. Self censored, sticking to content that guaranteed me an upvote from the steem guild. Yes, they played that game too... selecting people who they approved of having the power regardless of the quality of their post.

Eventually I snapped. In some ways a centralised platform has a better form of censorship than this, because here people are paid to play by the unwritten rules of the whales. A different but much more toxicating form of censorship. Unpopular opinions are a very critical and undervalued part of this ecosystem.

People don't get paid for making constructive criticism here, unless you can build a robotic solution which often leads to more problems (such as what they call guilds).

Steemit is whatever the whales make it. If they make it a popularity contest people get tired and give up. It's like being back in school where you don't get another chance at "popularity" until you move school, and that's what people will do if the whales continue to treat it as a popularity contest.


Edit: I should credit whales like abit who do encourage this kind of constructive criticism. I am encouraged by the better behaviours of the genuinely invested whales who put their money where their heart is.


@pittarpatter we would love to hear your voice on the VOTU Podcast this weekend!

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Thank you for that detailed reply on guilds. I wondered how that worked. It helps me understand a lot more what is going on. I noticed the guilds helped mostly steemians that had a lot of steem behind them and rarely the new person strugglilng to know how steemit worked, yet these minnows were pumping out amazing content.
You want me on your VOTU Podcast? Why not someone that has more experience? I'm just a newbie with a zillion questions. What could I contribute?

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Why not someone that has more experience? I'm just a newbie with a zillion questions. What could I contribute?

Crazy talk! You are (and should be treated as) as valuable to this community as anybody here since July!!! You especially can give incite that a non-noob cannot. After you've been on steemit for a while, you become part of a little bubble, especially when you make friends and choose to engage with them and not the rest of the community, which happens often when opinions clash in this very "small town".

You can give the incite of a noob, something the rest of us don't have when we go through so many changes and remember "how it was" when the price was high etc.

@votu (Voices of the Underground) is anti censorship. I love that you risked your popularity and steem rewards by expressing what you've seen here. Those flags (I didn't check who they came from but I could guess) usually claim "troll" and by coming on the VOTU Podcast we can humanise what they called a "troll" and show that this is a real person with real concerns and help amplify your voice as a minnow.

Ps. Don't let me catch you undervaluing yourself again 😝

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Omy you are good. I'm blushing and you're right I shouldn't undervalue myself. I will need to know the time and day. I'm Eastern time. I have friends here and may have to do it the next weekend if that would be OK. They leave at the end of the month but by next weekend I could work things out. I don't know how to do this so you would have to walk me through it.

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Absolutely, the first thing to do is download the discord app where we host the podcast then join us here: https://discord.gg/tPeHAYw

We are on Saturdays at 2pm EST. If you want to wait until the weekend after, you are more than welcome to tune in this weekend to hear us and if not we'd love to have you the week after. 😊

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Thank you so much. Maybe next weekend will be better and who knows I might know a little more than I do, now. Is this mobile so if I'm out and about I can listen by phone?

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I guess i have the discord app but never go there ! Lol! I will try to see if i can figure out how to work it !

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Ok im all signed up and now have the app on my home page ! I cant figure out how to log out from discord !? Lol! I was also getting a ton of notifications so i think i figured out how to turn those off , i find new things very hard to do sometimes or very complicated for no reason ! Lol! 👍😊😂

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There is a mobile app yes. I highly recommend it. You might need headphones for the volume but it's also a great place connect with other steemians and it's a very fast app.

https://discord.gg/tPeHAYw

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Thanks for the link! I will be getting your app , i couldnt find it after i was on your podcast so to speak ! Can i listen to it at a later time !? Or is it only live !?

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Awesome reply ! Always good to hear from you @beanz ! And I think she would be great on your VOTU Podcast !! 👍😉Great choice !

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You know what !? kingscrow just commented on my 1st meme entry saying " wasnt you supposed to quit steemit !? " Unbelievable ! I let him know that all my great followers with their upvotes and donations to my retirement fund talked me into staying ! Although im only on part time posting but still curating and comenting and replying to all my comments from my awesome followers !
Hes trying to bully me now because i was mentioned by @pitterpatter and im on her side ! This is sooo childish i cant believe it ! I never even said anything bad to him ! 😉👍

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Can i listen to it at a later time !? Or is it only live !?

We post the podcast episodes from my page and @sirlunchthehost's. Follow the @votu account to hear them when they are done. 😊

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Ok cool ! Thanks !😊👍

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You have a right, @karenmckersie, to be anywhere you want even if you decided to change your mind. My questions to @kingscrow "What kind of question is that? Don't you want me here? But, realize these answers may not be truthful.

  1. Oppressors don't want answers. But, now you know he may want you > out the door. My question is... why?
    People who shame and guilt trip don't deserve an explanation but they do need the light shined on their actions.
  2. The whole community knows what you said. Send him to the post/link to refresh what everyone in the community knows already. You think he would check out your post/link for an answer? I don't, because his intentions were for something else. Never give them what they want (to manipulate.)
  3. You don't owe anyone anything on Steemit. No one is your owner even if they act like it.
  4. It doesn't matter what you said. Even if you said, "I'm done with Steemit" and came back it's alright. You can do anything you want with no guilt or shame. Who is anyone to tell you different? But, people who have gotten away with aggressive actions/talk manipulating others successfully will be arrogant. They're so use to their subtle and aggressive behavior through time and getting what they want while the victims quietly disappears. Like a child who's gotten away with things they will come to expect it and show that bad behavior to everyone. There is no trail to show their wrongs. The next victim they are free to do what they want.
    You have a right NOT to go through repeated emotional pain.
  5. Take a step away from the computer to process aggressive communication/behaviors > Do it for you. Take care of yourself > Grasp a hot tea get comfortable and process when you are ready. Look at all sides of what makes you upset. Why the insensitive treatment from this person when he knew how hurt this made you. Why is he using that time of emotional pain?
  6. Put yourself in their shoes and gather all the information you can about this person, past experiences (the good and the bad), how they act in the community,
  7. Before you give an answer ask if you feel safe around this person, if not, keep processing (if you can) until you feel strong.
  8. Unfortunately there are people who manipulate through guilt and shame.
    Karen, anytime someone is insensitive and bestows more pain in a period of your life where you were vulnerable they are not looking for answers but to cause more pain. They may not understand they're doing it or they may. Your #1 job is to find a safe space to process what's happen so you don't have to repeat emotional pain and then do what they want...leave .
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I agree with everything you say !! Im truely just tired of the constant BS that goes on ! I actually am trying my best to stay out of everything as ive allready just been through all of this for a month now and replying to hundreds of replys on my post im really tired about all of it ! Did you see the reply i gave him!? Its its in the first meme i entered in the challenge ! I could care less what he thinks of me , and im not about to let bullies nor have i ever let bullies tell me what to do , but from now on im going to just totally ignore the BS because im tired of it and im tired of the constant arguments and disagreements and childish behavior from them! I need a break, all I want is to be happy and blog and comment without it being a big deal ! It should be enjoyable , thanks for your reply and I wish you the best of luck in your fight against them! but ive already been where you are and after a month of it , if not longer ive had enough ! Good luck to you really ! Im on your side ! But i just want to have fun on here !👍

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Resteemed, but maybe can fix the title because a word may be missing.

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Thank you

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Bloggers you want to come here to get paid for your content GET PAID FOR YOUR POPULARITY (but first you must have mega steem power) and jump through our hoops to do that [...]

You're absolutely correct, it's a popularity contest, and obviously the simplest course of action to get high rewards is to appeal to those with the most SP, the whales. So really the original statements stands "Get paid for your content" and should be qualified with "Payment is based on popularity (number of votes), and proportional to Steem Power of voters".

The difference from a clever meme of @kingscrown with little text is outrageous compared to the photo manipulated post of @son-of-satire that deserves far more reward then pocket change.

The problem with post "quality" is that it's subjective. There may be some very common norms of quality, but that simply does not apply here. This is because Steem(it) is not designed to reward good quality content, rather rewards are an incentive to produce what the community wants, what is in demand. We might hope that what is in demand is "high quality" content, but if people like funny memes, that's what they'll get.

What I identify as the main issue you bring up is that whales have too much power relative to minnows, and I tentatively agree. There are a lot who agree with you. But that's the way it is. Steem Power is Steem Power. The question is what can we do about it?

So ideally, there'd be some way to curb Steem Power it is was unpopular with a large proportion of users. This is how it works in real life when we're lucky. The powerful have to cowtow to the masses in someway, unless they're very good at manipulating them, because pressure can be exerted on them by shear numbers, and by the fact that usually power is premised on at least tacit permission from the masses.

With the current system probably the best way to do that is some kind of minnows unite type system. I proposed an app that could help minnows organize when so-called abusive flagging happens. That and boycotts, and other less savory tactics like flagging all their posts, comment spamming them, etc. etc. to more or less shame them until "good" whales notice and do something.

With a change to the system? I don't know, a lot has been proposed and I'm out of ideas ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I find myself defending the original idea a lot, not because I agree with it, but because it makes sense, or in other words, it is a coherent system. I have to reject ideas premised on false assumptions, like that Steemit is designed for quality content, and others should weigh these up too. Steemit may not be the place people thought it was, or that people want, and it will live or die on that.

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If popularity of the 1% whales is what Steemit is then it needs to be promote on the internet that Steemit is a popularity contest. I bet you'll get a lot of valued content from that tag line! We will never see Steemit go public with that and why?? > Because the founders wanted "good content" to bless their block chain. Not women in scant clothes, or everyone bowing to a few 1% whales. I am not addressing the issue of SP and whales I am putting the focus on the 1% SPA (Steem Powered Abuser) whales. Noooo I don't have to accept this kind of behavior or watch my Steemian friends go through it.
I noticed that a lot of these subjective voting whales have no friends and some have no content. What that tells me is the community is not important but something else is. Viewing content and getting involved in the community of minnows, dolphins or lower SP whales with good content will corrupt the 1% whales vision of a popularity contest for 1% whales only.
What I am getting from the founders of Steemit is nothing what the 1% SPA whales are spouting out for us to swallow. No thanks. Maybe at one time some of these 1% whales caught the vision of the founders but not many in the communityh see these 1% whales as being too healthy for the community.
As far as value being subjective I'm sure if these SP 1% whales were at an auction (with their own money to spend) they would get instant FM! Freekin' Magic! They would get the best value for their buck. Sorry, I'm not being smacked down with all this Steemit popularity contest crapola for the 1% gang.
If you noted above I had two memes to look at because memes were popular at that time. I didn't say one shouldn't have gotten paid over $70 dollars for their meme I said to look at the difference and see that a talented artist only took home pocket change for their finely manipulated funny meme. This is a no brainer and so extreme of an example how the 1% whales don't even bother to look at the community's content.
These 1% whales can't, even, see how the community sees their actions and how estranged theyh are. It makes sense the 1% whales would downvote creative content> They are out of touch > It's screaming to the community > TAKE CARE OF THIS BEFORE IT BLEEDS STEEMIT DRY!
"This is because Steem(it) is not designed to reward good quality content, rather rewards are an incentive to produce what the community wants, what is in demand. We might hope that what is in demand is "high quality" content, but if people like funny memes, that's what they'll get."
EVERYONE WHO IS READING THIS are you seeing what is being said here? If you don't see below the translation:
"This is because Steem(it) is not designed to reward good quality content, rather rewards are an incentive to produce what the SP 1% whales want, what the 1% whale demand. We might hope that what is in demand is "high quality" content, but if the whales want their 1% whale memes to get $100 and a minnow or dolphin to get pocket change, that's what the community will get."
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? That isn't SP that is SPA Steem Power Abuse. This Is Unacceptable in so many different ways.
Yes, this is how the world works when I was a child but now I am an adult and I don't subject myself under these kinds of conditions. No one has to be treated with disrepect and to work hard for something to get nothing when promised all because a few whales demand control with their SP. If Steemit is a SP Whale contest NOBODY TOLD ME or the rest of this community. No 1% SPA whale is going to muzzle me/downvote me or tell me I have to leave. Dan and Ned made this for everyone not just the 1% SPA whales.
I propose people in this community stand up for themselves and others who are afraid of these 1% SPA whales (especially the newbies and elderly ladies.) Create your own content exposing your experience when they downvote/are Rude/abusive. Dig into the posts, wallets, who they vote for and get an idea and discuss what they are doing. Bring things to the light with dignity and an attitude of win/win/win will make a difference. Maybe some 1% whales will come to their sences and give up controlling steemit community.
For me it all started with @karenmckersie. These SPA 1% whales exposed who they are to the community when they struck her down and mocked her and was rude. THIS WOKE US UP.
As far as the original idea > It never came from the SP 1% whales it came from the founders. Thank the higher powers for @Ned and @Dan .

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To be fair, I feel that you're treating me with disrespect here by shouting in all caps and putting words in my mouth by "translating" what i said. No one should be treated with disrespect but if / when they are, it's up to other people to defend them and stand with them. Ideally the system would but it's not the case here on Steem(it). There are no moderators, and that ties into the anti-censorship attributes of the system.

No one has to be treated with disrepect and to work hard for something to get nothing when promised all because a few whales demand control with their SP.

Nothing is promised. All voting is voluntary. A few whales do not "demand control with their SP", they are entitled to it by the rules of the system. The sooner this is widely understood, the sooner we can move on to find a solution.

Bring things to the light with dignity and an attitude of win/win/win will make a difference.

I can agree with you on this, and think you should follow your own advice.

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I am sorry that you feel disrepected. That is not what I wanted to convey. Thank you for taking the time to comment and what I was saying should not have been directed to you but the focuss of my post. What you were saying made sense and I found it helpful to translate what I was seeing and feeling through your words. It was extremely helpful in my process in trying to understand what is going on. I will be more aware of the caps. Yes, you are right I do need to follow my own advice. Thanks for the reminder.
As far as SP whale downvoting and upvoting I disagree and find it manipulates the community. At least from the research I've done so far. I am open to change and thank you again for your insight.

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Cool 😇

It's a hot topic for sure, I think the argument is strong that whales have too much power relative to minnows. This disparity could be reduced without undermining the system or by doing a complete rethink, i.e. without imposing arbitrary rules on how people should vote. It could be something agreeable to everyone. I'd probably vote for it myself given the chance, but would like to see more debate about it from a technical point of view.

Thanks for your reply 🙂

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I will have to disagree with you. I don't want anything capped or take Steem Power, currency or recognition from whales. Especially, the whales that have no part in the negative actions of these few SPA whales toward the community. From what I can see most whales do not act badly towards the community of creators that work hard to monotize, get noticed and Steemit Power. I don't know. Call me naive I just don't know who is a part of it all.
In the world this happens too. A few bad apple's/criminal's actions towards the community wind up to have more laws passed to take away more things from the community. That's a fail/fail action and everyone loses. I thought Steemit was different and it should be different it was promoted differently by the founders. The problem is not SP, whales or both. The problem is the actions of a few whales who thinks the community works for them only. I am sure these SPA whales have done good things to help make Steemit a better place. Why shouldn't they when Steemit and the hard working creators are making them money. So, these few SP 1% whales stating they've done so much for Steemit is true but their intent for doing so is different from Steemit/community. Stating these 1% whales put out good content and should get rewarded is, also, not being disputed. That is not the focus it's about the community, good content vs 1% SPA whales popularity contest and their intent of manipulating the system to their advantage. When you carefuly read through smooth's post it's nothing like the vision of ned and dan and in the comments they put down @dan for not seeing their side of their vision. A vision of a popularity contest. Do you remember high school and how that whole system worked? The popular kiids ruled the school and now these few 1% whales think they rule Steemit community and the reward pool. Who in their creative mind would want to waste their time on anything like that. Bloggers, artists, photographers, singers, creators would rather work at facebook or the many others social media platforms. I came here because it was promoted differently not like a scam.

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[Thread depth reached, in response to your latest comment]

I think I've already made my argument about popularity being the original idea, etc. etc so won't restate it.

On whale power disparity, all I'm suggesting is that reducing the relative difference in power between a low power user and a high power user would make things fairer. Specially, it means that people coming to the "rescue" or in defence of others would have more ability to do it at the lower levels of SP.

The only alternative I see is introducing some kind of moderation. I would oppose this. Others have suggested ideas for it though, such as a council of some sort and you might find more common ground with them than me.

The problem is with SP and whales. Whales have a lot by definition, and that is power and influence on this platform. Limiting what they can do with that power is against the freedom / anti-censorship ethos, and also introduces the problem of deciding how, why and when to restrict that power. I see the only viable solution is to reduce the massive power disparity. Otherwise we're looking at complex conditional rules, like a legal system, or councils, which will probably introduce corruption - or simply doing nothing and asking them to be nice.

I'll quote from the whitepaper pg 18 to show something that the founders actually agree with (or once did) instead of speculating:

Eliminating “abuse” is not possible and shouldn’t be the goal. Even those who are attempting to “abuse” the system are still doing work. Any compensation they get for their successful attempts at abuse or collusion is at least as valuable for the purpose of distributing the currency as the make-work system employed by traditional Bitcoin mining or the collusive mining done via mining pools. All that is necessary is to ensure that abuse isn’t so rampant that it undermines the incentive to do real work in support of the community and its currency.

The goal of building a community currency is to get more “crabs in the bucket”. Going to extreme measures to eliminate all abuse is like attempting to put a lid on the bucket to prevent a few crabs from escaping and comes at the expense of making it harder to add new crabs to the bucket. It is sufficient to make the walls slippery and give the other crabs sufficient power to prevent others from escaping.

Reducing the power gap will make the walls more slippery.

All that said, I'm still not 100% convinced the "problem" is something that can't be solved by mass minnow collusion to upvote overly, abusively or unfairly flagged posts. My Helping Hand idea could still be useful for this.

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You are far more knowledgable on what is going on than I am, I'm sure, and I would hope we wouldn't have to use monitors, councils, have continuous voting war(s). I am hoping the community can do this on their own. Maybe we need to learn how to stand up, unite (minnows, dolphins and whales) to abusive whales who manipulate. Supporting great blogs that got the touch of death to be ignored by those few that want to continue their rule. There are steemians that need the community's support and we steemians need to stop waiting for someone else to take care of this problem. Those who don't will sooner or later need help.

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Thanks for shareing such a great post with us and the special mention ! Alot of us feel the pain at times ! I still have more to read and some links i want to check out getting ready though to head to bed ,lol! Will read a bit more there ! Keep up the great work and never give up ! This is awesome !👍😉💙i especially loved your last part of the story ! I really hope some solutions can be found !!

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You have been such an inspiration to me. I know people have helped you and that is a good thing but to think people can be so cruel and rude is unacceptable. I've heard of others going through that and while I was on steemchat a newbie was being slammed. I have no idea what it was about but why do steemians that have power think they have the right to blast newbies? Of course, maybe they were being rude too. I should have stayed but all this researching was too much to deal with another fight. Good night sweet lady Karen.

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Yes thanks ! Its been a very long day , I will be 54 on the 16th of March so im really not an old lady quite yet hahha although believe me when i say , this steemit can sure drain my energy and make me feel much older at times ! Lol! Good night 👱💤💤

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P.S. I loved the meme by @son-of-satire ! Lol! And the little robot cartoon " your post is trash " hahha ! Very funny and great placement ! And of course the first meme by @steemvest17 , great stuff !! Great post especially how bloggers get paid for popularity !

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Did you go to smooth's post on that. OMG that is not my idea it is his 9 months ago. When you have time read his post mental attitude on what steemit is to him and the comments. This is important for people to see. Take it in slowly because this is what is happening NOW.

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Ok will check that out next in bed before i fall asleep ! Thanks ! 💙i seen the link you left now after going back and reading more in bed ! Thanks !

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Dear @pitterpatte, I can really understand your pain, trust me. From some days, I'm trying to stay positive and fight with my instict (when I'm angry, I can be rude, so I always wait hours before to write something) , but it's hard. Sicerely, I think the problems in this community is the same that in other communities: the human factor! The logarythms are never wrong, the human nature sometimes is wrong. I was downvoted on my last meme by a whale (only 1 whale) without a word. My payout was 29 and after 24, a small difference and it's not important for me, I'm really happy for my payout after the downvote, too. For me, the different payouts are not important (trust me), but I'm only human and I need to know the reason if anyone downvote for me. I can understand or not the reasons, but I'll appreciate the dialogue (some whale explain their reason and they wrote that it's not personal, I think it's better than nothing reply). Behind my nickname there is a person who can think with her own mind and it's frustrating to see adults that use the same dynamics of angry children. I don't think that there's not solution for these issues (yes, it's a problem if motivated users change him/herself in demotivated users), but at first we have to admit to have a problem. A problem determinated by the human nature, that we can seriously contrast only using the right algorythms.

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Thank you for your helpful comment. Yes, you are right about being hurt and putting our foot in our mouth. I am human and continually have to be reminded of this. As a new person I am perplexed how steemians are treated by a few whales. I am sure that there are good reasons at time to downvote the little people but who watches these sp whales who continue to vote each other up and calling it a popularity contest but if a little minnow, dolphing or smaller whales get popular they are struck down. Example of the link https://steemit.com/memechallenge/@kingscrown/meme-challenge-7-entry-1 on this post was downvoted for reaching over valued reward of almost 80 dollars. Shortly after that the whale buddies rose him up. The community can't get back on their feet once they are hit by SP whales. Steemit community looks likes they've been hi-jacked!

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How can I tell who downvoted me? This is very helpful in knowing which whales are doing this to the community

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Click on that little arrow beside your 207 votes at the bottom of your story ! Any name that has negative - sign beside their name instead of a positive sign downvoted you ! You can also get more information in steem stats !😉👍

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OK I see the three but need to see the others. It's good to know who is doing all this. I would suggest to you or anyone else who downvotes, intimidates or bullies you to make a list and post it. No name calling is necessary because their actions alone speak loudly. State only the facts so we can have digital trail. Because the block Chain never forgets. I don't know if these SP 1% whales would care to change > it doesn't matter > We want the community to have a record who these whales are. We who have been victimized will NOT DISAPPEAR from Steemit.

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Im not going anywhere ! But ive been dealing with this for over a month ! After replying back to hundreds of comments im tired out ! Im on your side but i just need a break from it all! And just try to be happy on here without anymore problems , just commenting back to you is bringing it all back up again after dealing with it for a month now , im on your side and wish you the best of luck ! Soon the Devs will find a solution that bennifits us all ! 👍

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Oh my. I didn't know about all the questions and stuff that followed. Makes me think if this happens to me or anyone of us is to create a post with answers and what steemians want to know > refer them to the post. The hurtful event is enough to go through! I feel for you and so glad you will still be here.

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Thanks ! Check out the information i gave you on how to use steem stats for all your posts !! 👍

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If you go to the steemit app centre then go to steemit stats you can get all the information on your post in there !👍

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I don't know how to get to the steemit app and I'm using a computer. Where do I go because this is what google is giving me.
http://steemit.com.websiteoutlook.com/
http://www.steemitprice.com/
https://steemit.com/@hisnameisolllie
https://steemit.com/steemit-chat/@ash/steemit-chat-stats-and-rules

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Lol ! Click on those 3 black lines beside your face in the top right corner ! A whole list of stuff will come up includeing a welcome to steemit page with lots of information for new members ! Anyways schroll down to" steem app centre " , you will find it in there look for "steem stats "

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Well !? Im curiuos did you find it !?

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Then once your in steem stats , at the top click on" posts "all your posts will come up ! Go to the one you want and right above your upvote count where the blue arrow is you will see 3 black lines , click on that and all the information on your post that you want will be there ! Its easy once it do it a couple of times ! Let me know how it went !👍

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https://steemstats.com/#/
THANK YOU got it but need help
Here are the ones that downvoted me
!!WhoDownvotedBLOG.JPG
Here is the curation rewards
!!WhoDownvoted&MADEmoneyBLOG.JPG
Did these whales that downvoted me make money off of my blog they downvoted?

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I dont think so but im not really sure how the technical side operates ! Someone else may be able to answer that for you !im so glad i was able at least , to help you find new ways of getting information ! I also love going there just to see how close im coming to leveling up ! At least now you know all the ones that downvoted and remember some of those might be the bots that follow what kingscrow does or just people that follow what he does ! Lol some people are followers some people are leaders ! Id rather lead then follow !👍😉

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@karenmckersie How can you tell if they are a bots? I will go over to each one and look at their page again but I don't know what I am looking for. Do bots have SP whale wallets? Do you mean whales follow him or dolphins? Is it like a pay for play. I will take out the people you don't like if you do the same for me?

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Well all i do is look back at all the ones he flagged and you will see its always the same people usually upvoting or downvoteing as soon as he does ! Theres no way that they are always on at the same time all together , so they have their own bots ste up seperately to always up or downvote and follow kingscrow and many others whoever they decide to pick and put on their bot list ! It could be 100 people ! Then they dont even do anything on steemit usually , or they just need to come on once in awhile because they have bots set up to do it all for them !

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Most people set up their bots to hopefully follow those that usually make good money on all their posts ! That way they also get paid good for curating because they are the first ones voteing as soon as he does ! Or as soon as anyone does on their list !

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Can bots downvote?

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Maybe ? It could be those guys that also have bots , happen to be checking his stuff and because they follow him and like him , they also downvoted !? I dont know you would have to ask them why they do what they do ! Im sure they all chat together on different channels or privately and know all whats going on i dont go much to some of these places but i know thats alot do !

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Im falling asleep and had enough about this for today so good night and good luck !💤💤💤

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Don't you think it's a little offensive to keep referring to @karenmckersie as "elderly"? I'm not sure what her age has to do with ANYTHING that occurred.

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Everything is fine with @karenmckersie and I, not to worry. As far as taking money from a person up in years (their retirement fund) has a lot to do with what occured. Nice of you to stop by.