Update: On Bringing the Nude Models, Cam Girls and Adult Performers on to Steemit...
I have been doing some planning and I see my previous post on this topic post did good indicating there is some support for this but not nearly enough especially of my posts of the models I want to bring on here. One at less than $10.00 and one around $3.00 currently. You don't seriously expect me to show that to these girls do you and try to get them to come on board?
I have been doing some brainstorming on how I'm going to pitch and sell this idea to these women. And the ones starting out or with out much of a following and the ones that really want to work with me because the like my work are my best shot.
But the one's with the larger following or a name are a different ball game all together.
I'm writing this after sitting down planning out who I want to contact first and seeing how crappy my recent post has done of a model I want to contact who is a person of influence in the Glamour/Nude modeling industry.
So I'm going to add that if I can't show these models my posts doing really well and that they can too especially if it's pictures of them that I have posted... They will not come on board.
These girls make money they get Several hundred to a couple thousand per shoot, their following gives them gifts, and many have sugar daddies.
Many of the The Adult/Porn Actress are Escorts/Call Girls on the side and make $1000-$2000 for that. None of them with any kind of following are going to sign up if they are seeing $5-$15 on posts because it not worth their time.
They are not going to be willing to grind it out making little to no money in hopes that steem is going to make them rich a few years from now. That is NOT their mentality. They don't do what they do because they want to work hard and add to that everyone on here that posts adult content it attacked and flagged constantly by the Puritan Crowd.
We have what 5000-6000 active users, with how many being Anti-Adult Content?
These models/actresses have nothing to gain here if there is no money in it. Seemit needs them they do NOT need Steemit.
And before someone that has no idea what they hell they are talking about says "But they post on IG, FB and twitter for free" They post of FB and IG because they get gigs, paid cam shows, more fans, and paid to post many times especially girls with large followings and the jobs that book them require them to post on their social media. Companies now ask the size of a model/actresses Instagram even in the mainstreem word. No one asks about Steemit.
It's the the same reason I post on those sites, because I get paid bookings/clients for doing so and TF models for my Art Projects.
One booking is more than I have made here so far for a fraction of the time I have spent on here and I have made liquid about $800 on Steemit. Steemit is not quick to use like IG and FB or Twitter. You have to upload images to a third party, prepare them, copy links, promote in chat rooms several times a day, network, etc... And then deal with random flagging/hating assholes.
So this is up to you. I'll do my part but without the support of the whales of my posts and work so I can recruit this is pointless and a waste of my and the girls time.
Why would they bring their thousands of followers here for what as those people have no voting power. Which is the major flaw in the way Steemit works. They can get those guys to buy cam shows from them directly or sell them videos and picture sets and some send them gifts for no reason at all other than they just ask. So if there is no money here you will not get girls with large followings.
You have to understand when I approach a model my reputation is at stake, I don't want to be known as they guy that wasted their time, that's detrimental to me and my career and future projects and I will not do that. After seriously thinking about this Money and Success are my primary motivators not getting back the Puritans.
I will approach the smaller models starting out and those that are working with me but I'm not going after girls with big followings if I have nothing to show them as it will make me look like a fool.
So far two times I have really tried do something to promote Steemit and I have not gotten the support I needed there will not be a third. The first was the crowd funding for my Sexy Santa Shoot that I was going post all over my other Social Media and then post the exclusive pictures on Steemit to get people to come here and it did not get even the lowest funding level.
Now I'm wanting to bring the Adult Industry on here to help community grow and yes it started out as me wanting to retaliate at the Puritan sect but after @pfunk talked to me I saw it was good for Steemit and decided to run with it but during planning and planning my sales approach I realized I have nothing to show them of any value that would be motivating to them currently and that is a problem for the girls that make money.
Also bring more people creating NSFW/Adult content also creates more competition for me as the more people putting out similar NSFW content on here the more those votes get spread around and the new people it brings on have no voting power.
But I'm willing to do it if I'm supported well and is a win/win/win situation... I win, the girls win and Steemit wins. I'm not willing to just waste my time if there is low to no ROI on my investment of time and energy in hopes that Steem and Steemit will be big someday. I'm also not willing to bring people on that will get support while I don't as I'm not getting commission, over-rides or a stake in the company, I only get what my post generate.
I have goals for 2017 and I'm not wasting my time and energy working for free or hopes for the future. I have several things I have to work on and the one with the money will get the priority and my attention.
If you want me to be the Evangelist and Mentor to the Adult community make it happen. If not. in that case... I'll just keep posting like I have and bring on the girls I'm working with that are interested until I get busy with my other projects.
So that's where this is at. I'm over all of the trying to convince people and asking for support. I will not make third effort if this is not supported fully by the top whale crowd. I'm off to bed at 6:34 Am.
People should only come on here if they understand how the economics work.
The total reward fund right now is only several thousand dollars due to the Steem price.
The whole point of coming on early is to build up a following and earn Steem that may be worth a lot more in the future. Promising people huge rewards right now is only likely to lead to disappointment.
People who mined bitcoin in 2010 did it even though it was basically worthless at the time - they were speculating that it would be worth a lot more in the future.
These kind of posts come across as being extremely ungrateful and to be frank they are not productive.
If you really believe in Steem/Steemit you should be promoting it anyway. You have been here for several weeks and expect to be at the top of the trending page already.
Sorry but life doesn't work that way.
I have been a big supporter of your work because it is fantastic, however, I will not support anyone that I feel does not have the best interests of the community at heart.
Steemit is not yet at the level where it can support multiple people as a sole revenue stream.
I'm not a whale but I suspect that they would tell you the same.
You should think of using Steemit like a future investment - like mining or buying bitcoin in 2009 or 2010.
Making these kinds of posts will not endear you to the community. If anything it will likely turn them against you.
Totally agreed. I support @nspart bringing other communities to steemit, however it's an attention economy; new posters need to build their traction by genuinely interacting with the community. Posts with hostile tone like O.P.'s are a great way to lose attention. It's fine to be a critic but don't bite the hand that feeds you.
They don't feed you. They feed themselves
https://steemit.com/scam/@the.masses/if-some-whales-could-just-upvote-themselves-all-day-and-get-away-with-it-would-they
Exactly, this is more than just being a critic. This is biting the hand that feeds you and then threatening to leave if your not fed even more. The food will be saved for later, others will eat it!
Without taking a stance on the original post...
Yes, that's absolutely how you build a huge userbase.
It might take balls and some degree of mental effort to do that.
Yes you take things out of context and then make a flippant response with a meme. Such genius. In the early stages of a platform it is only common sense to learn everything you can about what you are investing in but I suspect you are just trolling.
LOL. So you're a small minded judgemental asshole, got it. Sorry, no... I'm just ambivalent on the subject. I can see lots of pros and cons to bringing porn stars to Steemit.
"Out of context. " The last refuge of the guy who said something idiotic.
Nice touch going straight to the troll argument though, it really proves your inability to think.
Have fun, we're done here.
Lol you're right you are too pathetic to even qualify for troll level.
Then it's not worth my time to go out of my way. So I have my answer. With the same energy put in recruiting, mentoring (all of which does not benefit me unless I'm making bank on posts) and posting here hoping things take off I can build profitable recurring income stream in business in less than a year if I really work at it. I have done it before.
And on here you only get paid for two pay periods. If I or the girls create and sell photosets on other sites that become's perpetual recurring income.
So that's it I'll just do as I have been doing. And use this as another way to monitize my content and also suggest that to the models I bring on rather than pitch Steemit as the next best thing to sliced bread.
Sorry but I have to think of what's best for me this year and where I'll get the most return on time invested. Mining bitcoin was automated so it's not a good comparison time wise. If I want to cash in on Steem it's better to for me to put my time where I will get the most money returned and then just buy some Steem at .15 not work for $.25 an hour.
As far as people turning against me for offering to do this and put the time, energy into to it and point out the issues I see and ask for support in turn. If that turns people against me and they don't like or support my work I'll just stop posting altogether.
Have a nice weekend everyone.
Nobody is going to be annoyed at you for doing that. Maybe further down the line the situation will be different but it is virtually impossible for a photographer in particular to get by on Steemit alone.
man. just keep posting the naked chicks and get whatever rewards you can get, and never complain, that's how you can WIN with steemit, if some of your posts don't earn good money, then oh well whatever, it's just copy paste using your finger tips to earn money with content you already have.
this link will put it all in perspective for you @ http://steempunks.com/dashboard
By never complaining?!! You've been groomed!
and tucked in with bedtime stories
Exactly! how much time can that actually waste, not much at all IMO?
I completely agree, or at the very least, be willing to admit they don't fully understand the system yet.
Exactly, this isn't some sort of business transaction here. Other just bring people to the platform, they don't make excuses why they can't!
Yes exactly:)
In the beginning I knew nothing about the economics and received very little support but just kept on persisting and learning until I figured it out! It took some time but no I feel like I have a decent amount of knowledge!
Yes I think most people are the same! When you don't know how it works it can be disappointing. That was why I have been trying to make guides like on steemithelp to make it easier for new users to understand.
Yeah, that is good of you; It really does help! For the first month I hardly posted at all becuse I was confused about how everything worked. Then I was confused when one of my only comments was this "steemcleaners" that I felt was attacking me. then I stopped posting as much for the rest of the month.
When I tried again I go lucky and made a post that connected with people. Then Luckily, other users encouraged me and I continued more. Then finally reached the place were I am at now.
Meh, if I wanted porn with bitching I would get married.
you should do stand up comedy :)
LOL, while I support @nspart, I gotta admit that was funny!
but don't you lose the porn part once you get married?
In my experience, the first three years is porn, the second three years is porn with bitching, and the last three years is mostly bitching. With a big horrible extraction of time, material goods, and money at the end. Then you marry someone else.
LOL
Was it Heinlein that set up the scifi story in which marriages were 3 year contracts?
Pretty sure it was. "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" might have been his earliest use of it. But that's just how it worked out for me. Five marriages in, I'm pretty much an expert.
I like marriage, I believe it keeps women who want to get married happy for a little while longer.
I stayed married for a long time when my son was born (almost 18 years) but my average is much lower than that. I am not an easy man to live with, and I choose strong willed women. The clashes are passionate! Great fun in retrospect, hard to survive at the time.
I usually grew to find my spouses and partners more interesting as I went along, but also more annoying. I would marry 3 of the 5 again, if I were assured it would only be for the first part.
That's what the internet is for!
lol but if you're already paying for the wife, the fun stuff needs to be a mandatory inclusion ;>
Hilarious 😊
You win.
Wow, this is like that . Show a little nudity complain ever three days!
I support your work, and appreciate that you are trying to grow the platform, but this post is a big mistake (IMO).
I do hope that you understand there is a fixed reward pool on Steemit. What that means is that if your post is upvoted to $200 - that is $200 that everyone else on Steemit did not get that day, because it went to you. I am not saying that your posts don't deserve to earn a lot - but when you write something like this, you are essentially telling the community that you think what you are doing is more important than everyone elses content. You "deserve" rewards more than everyone else. Even though I believe your intentions are good, your post comes across as very selfish.
If the expectation of your models is that they are all going to be earning hundreds of dollars per post, then there is going to be a big problem of expectations vs. reality. Right now, the rewards pool can only afford to pay out a few hundred dollar posts per day. If you bring 20 people here and they all have that expectation - there is already not enough rewards to go around, even assuming your models get all of the rewards on Steemit - and nobody else gets practically any. The price of STEEM is just not high enough right now for tons of people to be making hundreds of dollars a day.
Really the right attitude to have is that everyone comes here to post what they think has value. The community votes and decides on what they like. If you are doing things that add value to the platform, and the community agrees and upvotes your posts - then you will make money. There are no guarantees though. Every one of us spends huge amounts of time and effort creating our posts, knowing very well that the hours of work we put in may result in a post that pays less than a penny.
Well said, Very nice of you to explain how the steemit economy works!
Thanks :)
Your welcome, was good of you to do!
from reading the comments, I'm delighted to know that pimp style mental manipulation does not work on the steemit community.. YAY!
haha, omg your completely right this is exactly pimp talk! I stop sending you customers your way unless you give me a bigger cut!
This shtick has gotten old. If you're not grateful for the support you've received so far - which is much greater than most users on the platform - then I see no reason why you should continue receiving it.
As I stated before - this is not a job and it's not a get-rich-quick scheme. If that's how you're treating this, then you're going to continue to be disappointed.
I've had enough. You've lost my support.
If you think me making and offer to do something to help the community that will take a lot my time and energy and then point out the objection I will face and asking for the support to make it happen and be compensated at the same time for my efforts is a problem then I don't want your support.
My mistake was not just being a normal user and keep to just posting and trying to really help Steemit. Don't worry it's off the table. I'll just be a regular user and post if it's worth my time. If not I won't.
And I have repeatedly thanked people for thier support and even named people that have helped and mentored me.
The problem is your constant whining and threatening to leave because every post you make doesn't rise to the top of the trending page. If you didn't make a post like this every other day, then you'd probably have more support.
Leave. Stay. Who cares? You're assigning too much importance to yourself. It's not like nude images are hard to come by on the internet. You should be grateful that you're able to post your content for any money at all. Instead, you decide to act as though your content is revolutionary and deserving of all of the available rewards every day. Newsflash: It isn't. If that ruffles your feathers, you can always go post on Facebook or Twitter, or anywhere else that doesn't pay you.
In any case, constantly whining and being arrogant doesn't attract users...and certainly won't get you the whale votes that you're seeking. Manage your expectations, drop the attitude, and just post the things that you'd like to share. All of this other nonsense is only hurting your reputation and will accomplish the exact opposite of what you want.
If this place isn't worth your time, then you're free to find other alternatives. Nobody is forcing you to stay here.
I'm not lucky, I'm a business man and my content has value. ROI is key to if I stay go in any situation having to do with money vs. time. And stating what needed to be done to make whagt I was proposing happen and what is required is not whining.
I never asked for all of the rewards pool. And if the rewards pool is as small as you say that's disturbing.
Anyway I'm tired of talking about this. Your entire comment is nothing but insulting and you already said you won't support me anymore so let's just drop it.
Your comments still shows a lack of understanding of steem economics. Please learn more from the other post around you. This is more like a free investment than a job. The reward pool is small because there is a larger user base right now and things are being distributed more or less equally. You are actually getting one of the larger pieces of the reward pool; If that is not enough for you then you are welcome to leave.
while I like your efforts trying to bring new people and users to steemit the way you are asking for it sound a bit off.
at the moment steemit is not a way to make quick cash, so you should just get new comers to steemit, as the top earning people won't come here yet.
the whales owe you nothing. so stop asking for their support. if your cause is great enough, people will help you, but there is hundreds of users who are helping steemit more than you did in your short steemit life, so get in line earn more respect the support of the whales will follow.
Exactly, their are so many other users who have been here doing things way longer. Talk about what you are doing; Don't talk about what you can do then complain that you need more to do it!
How funny. It is certainly a new sales pitch to me: My product is so good that if you don't all pile in I'll just fuck off.
5000 - 6000 active users. So what? Only a proportion of them will be interested in what you have to sell. I'm not, so frankly couldn't give a flying fuck if you are here or not.
Top marks for arrogance, though.
Sorry to say, only 1,215 active users 30 day avg according to steempunks http://steempunks.com/dashboard
Did you see the "Weird Al" Yankovick videos? Maybe you could do something like that!
Hi Nico,
we want to see unique content here. Maybe think about to use steem-branded underwear and give it your models for the shots. @felixxx made a design proposal some months ago.
https://steemit.com/doodle/@felixxx/more-steemit-design-doodles
Steem On!
If someone wants to have it made and send it to me I'll shoot a model in it.
I demand I get whale upvotes on ALL my posts as well !
No. I'M Spartacus.
"All your whales belong to us!"