For steemit to grow and be successful it takes all types... This includes types that you yourself may not like

in #steemit8 years ago (edited)

We know there are investors, there are content creators, there are curators, there are people who do a little bit of all of this. Yet with all of this there is one thing that is NOT good for our community. That is to attack each other.

I've been an advocate for taking certain steps to limit the ability of our community to in a sense attack itself. I am not going to talk about those limits. This is not a post telling you how to fix it. This is a post about some behavior I am seeing that is damaging to the community. I am going to explain it without naming names. If you know what I am talking about or the people I am talking about please do not name names. This is about strengthening our community, not about weakening it by naming people.

Those of us that have been here for awhile (or perhaps those even here for a short period) know that those with a lot of steem power have a lot of actual power.

This site takes all kinds of people. If we down vote people for reasons other than spam, abuse, and plagiarism but instead focus on down voting on opinion or because we do not like the way someone is choosing to exist on the steemit platform we are limiting the platform. We are closing it. We are trying to make the platform over into an image we demand, and not leaving it open to grow and be inclusive to all.

This is particularly bad if someone with vast power here targets someone else who is powerful and is an advocate for steemit and steem outside of steemit.

One of these celebrities is known to post articles here. This celebrity also up votes other peoples content if you check the steemd profile. What the celebrity does not do is respond to comments on his posts. He approaches posting comments here on steemit like a FIRE AND FORGET missile.

Someone with significantly more power than this celebrity has taken notice, and taken aim. They have begun to crusade for down voting this persons posts simply because they do not respond to comments. This is another one of those subjective attacks where they feel a post does not "add to the steemit platform" yet that is the problem with using the down vote in this fashion. The steemit platform should be inclusive. It should not be about becoming the personal playground of the powerful. We must realize not everyone is going to use it the same way.

The powerful person that is doing this has good intentions. I simply think they are perhaps missing the damage these actions could have. Sure they may not like the fact the celebrity ignores steemit. Yet in reality as more and more celebrities join steemit this is actually likely to be a common approach some people take. Especially if that celebrity is involved in many other projects outside of steemit.

I made this post as much for this powerful person as I did all the rest of you (us). Please sheathe your sword. There is no reason to attack our own community. It is going to form neighborhoods and groups that approach it different. Attacking them because you do not like it is bad for the platform.

In the case of the celebrity I've noticed they are powering down for the first time since they joined the platform. They have advocated for this platform outside of steemit and they were BUYING steem and powering up. I don't know if this person is powering down due to the hard fork, or because they have seen the flaw that is the downvote (flag). It permits the powerful to effectively neutralize people they disagree with. I did not say censor, because technically their words are there. Their payout and experience on steemit is vastly different than other peoples though. Instead of an open community of thought and sharing they are actually in a way under attack.

I don't see how such activities can help this platform. They don't help reddit. They make reddit hostile and even though it has a lot of users, they are a fraction of what they could be. There are a lot of people that will not visit reddit because of how hostile and troll infested it can feel. It is in our interest to NOT emulate that approach.

Allow people to take their own approach. If you don't like it, don't follow them, and don't vote on their material. Yet we also shouldn't attack them.


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Hi @dwinblood, I just stopped back to let you know your post was one of my favourite reads yesterday and I included it in my Steemit Ramble. You can read what I wrote about your post here.

I have no idea what this is about. We do have a lot of healing to do. Going on personal vendettas to get someone flagged because they don't comment is not rational, and people should be rallying against this person. This doesn't mean we have to agree with others, or get along with them, or do anything with them, but going crazy over comments isn't too rational to me. There is no requirement for anyone in a "community" to do things together. The world is one community, and we don't all do things together. People are pulling in different directions because we're not on the same page of understanding. Steemit has the same issue.

Also, bringing up issues, calling people out, is not something wrong, just to be clear. It's speaking the truth, and getting the information out. Don't ever see it as a detrimental action, it's not weakening the community to speak truth, as if getting clarity out is in some way "attacking" someone as well... hehe. I have no clue what your talking about in this instead, because truth and clarity are not included.

Anyhoot, good luck to whatever is going on here, hehe.

I agree. upvoted. Great post!

I thought we voted on a persons writing and not on the person. There is someone on here who has a massive following and famous on the outside but I can't get to grips with his writing so don't follow or vote but find a few sheep on here will follow anyone in the hope of a bit of that fame

Sure up vote who you like. The down vote though doesn't really do positive things for the platform. You referred to SHEEP. We need to be inclusive. Let the sheep vote for whomever they want. That doesn't mean you have to.

I kind of like to think of it as walking into a bookstore. There is a lot of stuff I don't like. I don't pull it off the shelf, and I don't bother telling people how much I dislike it. Instead I go buy the things I'm interested in. If more people agree with me then the demand is high and they end up needing to restock more often and perhaps the author will get motivated and write more books faster (unless there name is George R.R. Martin... then they get slower). :)

And negative news spreads far faster than positive. You could do 5 positive things and I'd be unsurprised to see 1 negative thing make people forget those 5 positive things.

Overall it doesn't do any good for the platform for us to be attacking each other. Just buy the books you like. ;) Let the sheep buy the books they like...

If any big name celebrities ever join it'll be good for the platform, but they likely won't be much different and might be worse than this person being attacked.

I follow the members I enjoy reading the ones that say something to me or ones I can learn from. Look after your own account and let others do the same.

Well said, upvotes and positive comments are so much more effective than flags. Newer people have a hard enough time getting started. We should try to make this as welcoming and positive an environment as we can. Thanks for posting!

That person that is attacking the celebrity is powerful enough that when he UP VOTES someone it really excites them and inspires them to do a lot for steemit. It is thus, disconcerting when they instead use that power in a negative fashion. It can have good and bad ripple effects in either direction.

Certain groups on steemit are fanatics.
(you know who they are)
avoid them.

Oh this case though is not one of those. The guy attacking has 2million + steem power and does some good. He has simply decided he doesn't like that the celebrity (at over 100k steem power) posts things that he posts on other sites as well and doesn't respond to replies. In fact he rarely comments. Yet if you check him out on steemd he does up vote people.

So it is bad for the platform when that happens. Especially when it is someone with such power attacking someone that has been outspoken for the platform.

I really don't like professional sports. When/If some sports celebrity joins here I am not going to be down voting them just because I don't like what they stand for. That action would not help steemit in any way. I simply won't up vote their content. If they surprise me and post something non-sports related that is interesting they might get a vote, but I certainly won't attack a sports celebrity because I don't like them or their message. That doesn't help the platform, especially if there ARE people that like that celebrity.

Celebrities are usually that way due to activity. It is likely most of them won't be involved in intense comment/reply chains here on steemit. Yet if they are attacked by steemit they also have a VERY loud voice outside of steemit and can do perhaps more harm than good. Afterall, people tend to pay attention to negative news much more than they do positive.

I agree with you.
hmmm...wonder what the flagger would do if people found out who he is, what he is doing, and mounted a campaign against him?
I'ts happened before agains random rabid flaggers.

This person has been called out on flagging before. Like I said they do good, and I think they have good intentions. I just don't think they've really thought about the damage it actually does. They are also one of the most powerful people out there so there is very little most people could do. If 99% of the people on the platform voted against them it'd likely have not effect. This is speculation on my part.

And I don't really want names named. I am hoping that person reads this, thinks about it and puts that awesome power to positive use. They do this... and they've done it for me a few times. It can be very motivational and appreciated. They have never attacked me, yet I want this platform to be what I think we all know it can be. Someone that powerful attacking celebrities can only blow up in our face I think.

EDIT: And for clarity... he is not a rabid flagger. He doesn't flag too much, but he does seem to have it in for this celebrity.

Though to me... a single flag for anything other than spam, abuse, or plagiarism is too much. That is my personal opinion.

ah yes...presidential material.
giving whales a bad name.

on further thought.
no.
it does NOT need 'all types'.
I can think of quite a number of 'types' that would be extremely detrimental.
kiddie porn for example.

I'm considering a pre-emptive mute
I tend to shoot from the lip sometimes
If I don't see what he says...I can't respond
might be safer that way.

He can do some good. He has up lifted a lot of people. Don't shoot yourself in the foot due to my observations. Though it won't really matter because, this person mostly resteems, upvotes, and occasionally comments. I don't know if I've noticed many actual blog posts by them. Like I said it takes ALL types and we need to be inclusive.

So this person does not say enough that I doubt you'd need to mute them. When they do speak they don't tend to be an ass or anything. You can tell they care. I just don't think they quite grasp how important that power they have is to this platform and what negative actions by them can do. Especially when they pick a target that has an audience outside of steem. :(

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