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RE: You are all a bunch of cowards!
Make a rewardpool for flags, then it will become a profession to flag bad content. It has been debated before and should be implemented ASAP... the Steem price would go up significantly, like 10-100x!!!
I made a post about it, it is in my blog.
I suggested this 7 months ago. I got flagged for it, and an auto-flag bot was created and funded by Transisto to follow me around and auto downvote all my votes.
Then, Tim Cliff ripped off the idea, right down to ALMOST THE EXACT SAME TITLE, and flagged me repeatedly in that same thread.
This place is a dumpster fire of hypocrites. The problems is not figuring out what to fix, it's getting the cartel to fix it.
When in Rome...
yes that is ridiculous and sad @lexiconical ! @timcliff is an old timer here and its disappointing to hear that he has behaved like this to you ( I always saw him as one of the founding fathers of steemit !!
We really need a way to stop things like this happening.
Thank you for your story...
Any ideas on how strong folks like us can at least benefit the most from this roman system while using it? Cheers @lonestarpoet
Much love and respect for u @lexiconical for still being here. Even after those bigger accounts started to bully u. Respect!
Conceptually that sounds great, but you need to consider the mass amount of automated voting that takes place. Applying that to flagging just seems awful. Randomly distributed flags being thrown around by bots? Eugh.
Abuse would possibly be rampant. It's hard to gauge how this kind of situation should truly be handled.. I'm at a loss myself, but I'm also just a newcomer just starting out the passed week and a half.
It definitely is the system that's the problem, and not the users. People are people and you're not going to change people's underlying flaws.
Everyone always focuses on "how can we make flagging easier and more rewarding" instead of addressing the fact that upvoting good content is not nearly as rewarding as posting the content, and that is a vicious cycle that ends up raping the reward pool as whales game the system, which hurts the majority of those posting good content and takes away the reward for upvoting other people, at least without using something like steemfollower.com to at least get votes back for upvoting other people's content.
Steem Media Tokens are coming, and you can be sure that there will be tokens created to reward people for finding spam and flagging it. That is the solution in my mind, because every other solution I can think of has a loophole, and if you tighten down the system with restrictions, the platform loses it's proverbial soul. If you give people a separate pool for flagging, it will be abused in ways that would be terrible (think racism, bigotry, bullying, etc).
Then the solution for our situation is to make an upper limit for rewards you can have in a day/week/month and there will be no problem
unless someone makes a pile of alt accounts and spreads the reward between them all... yeah loopholes and more loopholes.
I get your point but what can we do about it then? You can't just sit and watch because they are when you think better stealing your money too
Honestly, steemfollower.com uses a model that Steemit itself could adopt on mass scale, and it would solve so many problems with reward pool rape that it's not funny. Not a perfect solution, but as long as people have to game the system to get as much as they give, there will be loopholes that asshats will abuse. I dunno, I think if those able to change the system refuse to, then let the system run its course. Steem won't die, it will simply reach a point where action is necessary. The vast majority of people using Steemit cannot even make a dent against abusers, simply because most of the steem power is controlled by the few, and the few couldn't care less if their holdings dropped to nothing before they could power down... they would just pump the price back up and restart the cycle.
https://steemit.com/@steemflagrewards has been a thing for 41 days. @timcliff helped fund the creation and I am working with a number of talented community members to bring the vision to fruition.
We want it automated and it will be integrated with Discord. We currently planning the implementation of proper accounting such as through a relational database and efficient queries using mongodb/steemdata for downvote metadata and flag comment mentions.
It's not necessarily a reward pool as it depends on post rewards for the flag campaigns being pursued to be distributed to those using their voting power to flag.
We just started a small scale campaign to eliminate rewards on a comment spammer who is abused their delegations.
Besides the top level trending blockchain abusers, there is a LOT of lower order abuse and think this "crowdfunded" flag incentivization system would be a good fit.
The biggest thing I dislike is rewarding flags via SBD transfers doesn't do anything to affect reputation hits that may have been taken due to retaliatory flags. As much as I hate upvote bots, I see this as one possible good use case for one. For instance, in leiu of sending SBD to comp flaggers, instead have maybe dedicated upvote bot (a bid bot would not work due to variability of votes) upvote the flaggers in a comment on the campaign end post.
Anyways, I really want to get the word out because this thing isn't going to hbe effective without community support. I'm not just talking about upvotes either. We need people with ideas that can help this be successfully in address the abuse that falls outside of @steemcleaners scope.
Steemit is a fascinating analysis. I don't generally mind self-voting and voting bots; however there are those smf minutes. My annoyance is blurbs upvoting their remarks on their post and not upvoting the keepers.
Truly, it appears like a considerable measure of the whales know about this issue and are currently attempting to make challenge and ways that advantage the minnows and whales. I do trust soon that there will be more spotlight on innovativeness a varied dynamic groups.
I've generally said that Steemit resembles capitalizim on split.
Those with the influence profit.. furthermore, votes are available to be purchased.. the main thing keeping the basic man going is the "Steemit Dream" of possibly lucking out and making a post that gets a $100.
That being said most online networking stages encounter a similar measure of issues, it's simply more evident on Steemit on the grounds that we have a view into everyons wallet.