You are all a bunch of cowards!

in steem •  9 months ago

You bitch and bitch and bitch about rewards, how the system "isn't working", yet you still allow this bullshit to continue.


When Steem fails and you're all left holding bags, I'm going to do nothing but laugh and tell you "I told you so".


Fucking cowards.


https://steemit.com/patheticwhales/@berniesanders/you-know-steemit-is-fucked-when


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I tried to speak up but, but I was flagged to shit and received a shit ton of threats and harassment messages. I was contacted by someone I know telling me some whales a getting together and are going to flag me and my @buildawhale users to shit.

I realized no one really cared and just said fuck it. No sense taking the brunt of all the attacks if no one will do anything.

Was recently updated by these whales

Yes. You've been monitored and been seen distancing yourself away from the whole haejin and berniesanders mess.

Also the truce post helped.
At the moment, everything is off the radar.
The same whales who were getting ready have now subsided.
I think things are much better now.

My response

I’m glad I am being "monitored", hopefully, it isn’t when I’m going the bathroom.

I haven’t distanced myself I just realize a lot of people don’t give a fuck where steem goes and will rather keep their head in the sand. It isn’t a haejin and Bernie sanders mess, it’s a haejin and steem mess. Too few people understand that and think anyone who questions one person getting 7% of the reward pool posting garbage is a communist.

These "whales" don’t seem to understand how the platform works and how it needs to work to survive.

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And this is where the real dick move lies - threatening you is one thing. But threatening your customers - is on a whole 'nother level - far down the wasteline.

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If the whole stake holding community decide to not protect @buildawhale customers either they're not worth protecting or the system is completely broken.

I vote for the former.

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with all due respect - if the system is broken, it's not up to you to fix it with your SP. it's up to the witnesses to be convinced that the system needs fixing and do so in a way that is sustainable and better for everyone.

I agree that vote selling is not ideal but it is a symptom of a system where minnows have no other way to gain any sort of clout and whales can earn a very good income just from sneezing.

I see vote bots as an equalisation measure, and hopefully in future steemit as a platform improves to the level where it is no longer needed.

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It's not even up to the witnesses - the witnesses would be the one who activate/approve a fix to the system. Its up to Steemit Inc, or some enterprising developer who understands the code, to actually implement the solution and propose it to the witnesses.

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well there you go - that's good to know - as a fairly new user the whole witness model is a bit foreign to me, i just try to make sense of it as best i can. Thanks.

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No problem! There's no good explanation of all this anywhere, so no fault on you for not knowing :)

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So why doesn't Steemit Inc implement changes that would clearly reflect better on the image of Steemit to the broader crypto space? After all, this platform presently is the face of the steem blockchain; SMTs aren't out yet and Utopian, Dtube, and Dsound are still up and coming.

It's as if the very notion of reward pool abuse has been accepted as a necessary evil and there's nothing we can do about it. It's even implied in the Steem White Paper itself. The founders anticipated the problems that would arise out of allowing self voting, for example. Yet they still allowed it.

On page 6 of 32 it states, "The challenge faced by Steem is deriving an algorithm for scoring individual contributions that most community members consider to be a fair assessment of the subjective value of each contribution."

Clearly, as Bernie and others have pointed out, this challenge is still faced by the platform, nearly two years after its inception. Something has got to give.

Leadership needs to address this sooner rather than later. With every day that passes, more cryptocurrencies pop up - steem is losing the valuation race despite the first mover advantage it has on so many other projects. It will likely continue to do so until Steemit's systemic flaws are addressed, or something far superior shines as the face of the steem blockchain.

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He is one of the worst abusers of the platform. That's why he is getting so upset and threatening. Instead of helping fix the haejin issue. He continues to upvote his comments and his alts comments.

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Clutch pic, Nic.

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Feedback on my proposed partial solution to this issue is welcomed - generosity rank / 'vote spread' algorithm.

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Already been done with Steemfollower. It doesn't seem to be catching on, because nobody wants to change anything around here.

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I just looked at steemfollower - but I don't really see how their service is equivalent to the generosity algorithm.

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@themarkymark this is so old already. No ill will to you. No more flags.
I ask everyone to settle down with the bad actions. So counter productive.
I'm focusing on a new role and retiring on crypto. May your steem account grow as you do!

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It's not old bro... grumpydick is still attacking honest people here for nothing. My bot was just threatened by him this morning. He's backed by no one, just throwing weight around.

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Just saying don't get stuck in downward sinking spirals. I don't agree with everyone but I don't despise anyone either. Easy to get drawn in. Effort to remove. Just be yourself!
be positive. Be wise.

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Well said.

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Just be yourself!
be positive. Be wise.

:D you might not realise people are being themselves, greedy and scared :D

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Who da fook is dat guy @haejin?

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Fook Flood Mayweather!

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this is under appreciated

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Small time capitalists angry with the larger capitalists for being more successful at cheating/stealing via bots than they are at stealing/cheating using bots.
Would not expect any less from anything created in this society. Small number of greedy assholes try to steal from everyone else. That's capitalism in a nutshell. You are giving your money away to these people by dumping money into a system you know someone is going to leverage to your detriment. Stop investing and just use the place as a blog/youtube replacement and the whales only have themselves to steal from. People are willingly investing in a bot managed pyramid scheme...

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7% of the reward pool posting garbage

Lmao we've moved the figure to 7% now?

His content is not garbage, it's some of the best content on steem. Miles ahead of anything you, grumpycat or the shit whale has ever posted.

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I estimated it to be around 7% when he is not flagging and his VP has recovered. He is somewhere between 4-5% right now and was 5% yesterday.

7%+ is what I predicted originally before all the flagging and optimized voting.

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"At the moment, everything is off the radar." LOL. I am glad that their threats are not silencing you.

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That is my answer!

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well we will have one more dictator in a few months of time, I'm wondering why @abit and the other whales that were running the whales no vote experiment haven't banded up again, although it would be like a state police in some cases I don't see a problem moderating someone that doesn't know moderation and is ok with being top 1 spammer of the year

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I really don’t like that SteemIt is forming authoritarian gangs of sorts...

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I've voted you (@themarkymark) for witness after reading this post, if you know more witnesses that worth to vote for i would appreciate some suggestions, steemit seems to me a very interesting proyect that i think worth to defend.

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Omg I’m so lost in the drama what the hell is happening? Plz some explain from the beginning

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I'm doing steem just for fun and to kill time. sooooo..

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This is what he has "pending". That is for 7 days. Do the math. Whether his content is good or not, it is simply too much.

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Flag that rubbish.

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This is a result of people continuing to vote for his posts. Stop! Vote for someone else and the problem goes away.

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This guy is making almost as much as a CEO of a corporation would.. Just crazy

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nobody can make that much through their own labor

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Oh my fucking goat! I do hope a nuclear collision between the US and NoKor will set off soon for the good of humanity--eliminating greedy, profit-maniac assholes! Human beings are just a cancer to the society!

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People are making money off of steem?! Oh the humanity!

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someone think of the children lol

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Wow really ? I want all those sbd to fix my life

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Those SBD can fix a third-world economy!

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You're very correct...... Its way too much

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Wow ! & I still wait to see my post to get just the decimal part 😬😬😹😹😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

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Hey @haejin help some minnows with one weeks payout 😬😬😁😁

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Wow that's crazy... I'd say he will be rich enough soon to not even need Steemit anymore.

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he doesnt need it now he's just here to be a dick

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What a sad thing that is.

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Your Voting Power goes down if you hammer it too much. We should also have Posting Power to assist with reward volume.

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Even if the guy invented the freakin Bible in 7 days, it would not be worth 28,822 SBD. This really feels like some giant ponzi scheme (at best it is crony capitalism).

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There’s so many users making way too much for what they’re putting out! Honestly, most Steem users fall into this category.

We really need to do something against 100k $ a week rewards for posts that are pretty much a gamble and in worst case scenario are taking advantage of the readers that follow the trades.

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It's actually only one SUPER Whale that gives Haejin's post most of its value. I was a supporter of Haejin because I use to think he cared about the analysis that he put out. Now it just looks like a game to see how much money he can get from his post. Just my own personal opinion.

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And psychologically, people are more likely to take highly upvoted posts seriously, and upvote them too.

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Agree and that is used and abused here at Steemit by more members than just this guy, unfortunately.

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Such a good point @poet -- which is kind of the point, that good posts should be upvoted, but there is definitely some scandal at play :/

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he does good analysis, but apparently greed has taken over.

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A lot of similar crap analysis provided for free on other websites. His followers are just a bunch of morons! Not to mention his crap analysis failed multiple times! This is what happens when crypto trading becomes a religion!

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Well said. Totally agree with that.

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Well said, indeed! Here's my vote)

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People build a brand they expect to be paid for it
Otherwise they can do charity and join Hare Krishna

What we really need is analysis of analysis
Cut to the core of the crap. And show they're just wasting you time, your LIFE reading it. Or worse still misleading you into losing money investing (gambling) or deliberatly robbing you

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He never ever comments or answers questions to his own posts while he also leaves out the most important part of his predications, how he determines the targets.

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Haejin was getting 3000+ views and 250+ votes before ranchorelaxo ever voted for him. If you want a lot of votes and attention from whales, try to do what haejin does. Provide quality content that your fans want to see, bring fans in from other platforms, get your fans to purchase sp to support you.

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That sounds like WORK
Easier to make music on MTV Money for nothing and your chicks for free

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what about posts with only a happy new year or a photo or those girls who just pose at a beach and generate 1000z of $$$? atleast he gives some info on cryptos.

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Christ, if I see another crypto post in the top 3 posts, I'll freak.

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yea, but better then a hapy new year post with some chick posing and recieving 1000z...

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TA is rubbish, so yes he is misleading his audience.

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@acidyo so why voting for this kind of post. I don't understand

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@acidyo, ok man but what?! Let's say we all downvote @haejin for reaping to much rewards. He can just easily transfer the SP that is upvoting him to another account and do his trick elsewhere, or if he's smart 25 different accounts.
In my opinion a downvoting campaign will accomplish nothing. What will? Healthy competition and hard-working mentality. Elliot Wave analysis regarding cryptocurrencies, which is an extremely popular topic on Steemit, is a monopoly market now because it's new. It's owned by Haejin, the first-mover. This is not sustainable as there is no entry barrier for competitors. Anyone can start up business next door. That brings me to my closing remark:

I thought we liked that about this system, the only power on this platform is Steem Power..? Just become popular or buy a lot of SP if you want to influence the reward pool according to your own standards....

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You don't have to downvote anyone.

The reward pool is fixed and is shared out in proportion. So upvoting someone else is equivalent in value to downvoting haejin in terms of percentages.

The real problem is that the rest of the community isn't upvoting enough. They could easily counter the whales by going on voting sprees and voting for deserving articles (the articles the whales vote for then get less of a reward percentage).

If you want to stop abuse the most efficient way is to go out on a voting spree and the more people who do this, the more effective it will be.

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because, whats the point when your vote is literally worth less than .01? wasting votes. i vote on posts and comments i think are good content. but it has no impact.

although this is annoying and disturbing drama to be observing as a newb, its an important topic to the future of steemit. if im going to invest 6-8 hours a day writing one post that might get 1$, its worth following this pissing contest a bit. So, here i am trying to make sense of it.


your suggestion sounds good, but doesnt seem like it would even put a dent in the problem because minnows still wouldnt be able to effectively participate in directing the future of this platform. 0.01 vote helps no one. all it does is drain your inconsequential voting power.


the people who are earning so much, good for them, i guess. some of them. whales complaining all over the place how whats his face is basically cheating, yet are not helping minnows get stronger to join in. there are way more minnows here than witnesses and whales. so when you say everyone should upvote other people, ummm. minnows are but its bascially null and void, at the mercy of a whale or curation team for a couple of crumbs. there are some curation teams which are super inspiring because they truly are giving benefit to the community. helping others.

lastly, is steemit going to be a social platform where only discussions on crypto have value? i was under the impression it was supposed to be an all inclusive diverse world wide social network. why are MORE whales and Witnesses NOT bumping up minnows? is it because of greed? afraid to lose power? because thats sure what it looks like. if you think everyone should just start upvoting everyone else, minnows need a whole shit ton more leverage. sorry so long

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If thousands of minnows are voting, then it adds up as far as the reward pool goes.

The problem is that most minnows think like you do and are not bothering - and that attitude hands power to the whales.

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Not true! We ARE voting! As I said, I'm commenting and upvoting every single day at an easily weakened 100%. Maybe 10 votes a day before I'm slapped on the wrist with loss of voting strength from participating too much. How is that giving more power to the whales? I'm voting on stuff that's really well constructed by people who are investing their soul into the content they're creating. It's just like real life. My vote has no direct effect but I'm sure as hell going to vote anyway for the reason that I like SUPPORTING the people who are doing a great job.

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i was trying to emphasize my point which is a little hard to show through text sometimes. so i wanted to clarify, reading my response to you in my head, i was not screaming hahaha. i was being animated but not angry for what its worth.

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Elliot waves are far from infallible. If his chart analysis was that good he wouldn’t need to be taking anything from the reward pool.

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so true, if his TA was so good then why does he have the need to take rewards for steemit? he is money hungry in my opinion and if he really cared about the community he would ask the whale upvoting him to stop, let devout minnow followers dictate how much his blogs are worth, not a HUGE whale!

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I think you're right, @steemitromney. He's winning right now because he doesn't have competition. If his work truly is garbage (I don't know anything about Elliot Wave analysis, so I can't tell), then what needs to happen is that there need to be a few accounts that regularly debunk his work, or if it works. At least that's in theory what would level out the playing field. But I'm convinced that a good majority of the upvotes are coming from low-level bots that he's controlling. He's moneyballing the system. We'd need someone to do a network analysis of the voting activity towards his account to gain some certainty on that though.

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I learned and am still learning Elliot Wave analysis from Haejin, and I post my scribblings at my blog here. Your welcome to follow and upvote mine analytics :)

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Elliot Wave analysis regarding cryptocurrencies, which is an extremely popular topic on Steemit, is a monopoly market now because it's new.

I'd prefer to call it the Idiot Wave.

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The guy is practically raping the reward system with extreme greed and we all are just looking ..only Bernie is fighting this war ...where are the witnesses...I am not against him making 1K daily but let it be one good post, max 2 daily...One is even enough for him because he crowds all the tags and no space for others to even shine..this is not good for the ecosystem-especially posts based on speculations. Thanks for posting this Bernie, hope all see this post and someone do something...10x posts daily!!! damn...
Steemit Inc , please do a daily post limit!!! 1 post a day will be great...2 max however if we reach 1M + members then 1 post max a day will reduce this type of greed.

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There was a time when 4 posts/day was the max before a diminishing returns algorithm kicked in. last I knew, Golos still uses this system, but are planning a fork to add the current Steemit code, and while I like the single 7-day payout window, I don't care for the spammer reward system.

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It's beyond just making more money than you're worth. He's taking part in something that respectable news outlets disallow for a reason. Using a follower base to influence the price of a low cap asset. It is his followers fault if they get burned to an extent, but it doesn't make it okay.

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The bigger the following & hype, the more his pics behave as he predicts, till they don’t

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I don't agree with post limits , we can deal with this in a different way .

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i honestly don't mind it but can we put all of em in one post instead of multiple haha

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Yeah, that's basically it. There's just too many posts in one day with info that could very well be put in one post. I don't mind the info/speculation perse, just that it's in so many posts as to milk for the most possible rewards.

Kind of makes you start missing those days of max 3-4 posts a day!

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Well I agree @playfulnoodle, maybe this is what we should do is curb accounts from posting ad finitum like this ?? I dont like what i am seeing, @haeijin is not the only person I see making too many short and repetetive styled posts of frankly not much interest ! We need to get the quality back up I feel so yeah why not go back to limiting the number of posts again ! Three posts for most people would be too much no ?? If they were good posts that is with content which is nicely put together with thought !

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Three posts for most people would be too much no ??

I'd say that. I don't think people would be able to create many more good quality posts on one day, 7 days a week. I sometimes write a couple of posts more on a day, but that's to have some in advance, you can spread those out over the week instead of spamming all in one day.

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His votes of "not much interest" over 10000 views and hundreds to thousands of votes. Maybe others find different things of interest.

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yes no doubt @danpaulson, but crypto market posts are not my source of interest here i can tell you that ) But then thats me, Im not everybody else ofcourse !!

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A daily report would be fine.

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I can see your point , just hope it doesn't lead to post limits because I post about different topics daily & sometimes post more than other days.

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I believe you should create a system to compensate small users that find situations like that......I detected some....how will I denounce it? I will make enemies....will the system compensate me if I denounce? that is the point

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-18?
How the fuck is that even possible, who did you piss off?
I know there was a whale war but I thought it was sorted out.

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It would be really great if he could post it in one or two posts a day.. this is too much.. but im sad there are no rules against this kind of problem..

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That, and people flooding the site by re-posting content from other web sources to get upvotes. There should be some differentiation between copy and past postings and original content.

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There is it's called @originalworks

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I tried @originalworks a couple of times on my posts and never got any feedback. And posts were 100% genuine and original, even the images. I am new to it, so I perhas missed sth about @OriginalWorks

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@berniesanders @acidyo The solution is you need more whales downvoting - like @adm and such.

Minnows are worried about losing their tiny incomes.

Thus.. More whales like bernie need to grow some balls! Otherwise haejin may as well ramp up the 12 posts per day. The longer this is left untouched the stronger they become.

Then who can defend the reward pool rape?

Need to nip this in the bud sooner before it's too late.

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@adm, @steemcleaners, @steem, @steemit -- you seriously should do your part and respond accordingly the soonest possible time before it's too late -- else this whole community will be owned and dominated by a single person. Act now or cry later!

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Unfortunately it isn't our scope as we would be accused of content moderation.
Although I personally think that such abuse like haejin destroys this platform.

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Maybe it's about time to create a community council specially designated to address this type of abuse? I believe the US electoral voting system will be the perfect model for electing a decentralize authority.

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Are u serious? 2 of the last 3 presidents were put in office by the electoral college who went against the results of the popular vote for the other candidate. That system can be corrupted too.

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Popular vote is a very dangerous thing! It doesn't take a genius to conclude that the majority of the world's population is comprised of stupid religious morons.

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Lots of people in positions of power across the world are also as you described. You left out all the people in both categories who are religious and not morons as well as those who are not religious or stupid who do good for the people around the world. Bad argument imo

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There is a reason why the Electoral College is chosen by the US lawmakers as a way of arriving a distributed consensus! Remember--we are talking about decentralization here! Take this simple scenario.

If we are going to conduct a worldwide poll on which religion is telling the truth--if would come out Christianity will be the clear winner by virtue of popular votes since it has the biggest number of population.

Dang! Even my dog can tell the result was a popular joke.

Now tell me, how could you justify popular vote in that case?

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first of all, you are going off on a totally different tangent than what this entire drama is all about.


we are not talking about religions. you are wanting to pivot the discussion to focus on religions but this is not about how many people in the world are christian or any other type of religion.


id also like to point out that even within religions people do not all believe the same way. to say that people are stupid and incapable of making sound judgements for themselves because they are religious is flat out cognitive dissonance because, again, you are failing to account for the fact that many of the US's Lawmakers are themselves religious. The same goes for around the world. People in general are religious so, again, your argument fails.


Which, by the way, the lawmakers in America, are actively and aggressively working to pass laws directly related to their particular flavor of religion. the founding fathers wanted church and state to be separate for that very reason, yet here we are in 2017 with lawmakers passing laws dictating what women can and cannot do with their bodies, as just one example.



so, please save the bs for someone else who more gullible. youll probably have some kind of retort but im not going to respond anymore because youre projecting your views about religion onto a discussion that is actually focused on economic politics within the steemit platform.

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Are u serious? 2 of the last 3 presidents were put in office by the electoral college who went against the results of the popular vote for the other candidate. That system can be corrupted too.

First off let us go back to where this all started! What I am doing is simply the use of analogy in order to understand things clearly as much as possible.

You've disputed the beauty of Electoral College system, and if I'm reading you correctly, you are in favor of popular votes.

Here we go! You are probably a huge Hillary fantard--I suspect. This is going to be fun. I am not a US citizen by the way--I don't have any vested interest with your politics there whatsoever.

I don't care if your next president will be the son of Mr. Bean! What I admire is the beauty of your electoral system as the most viable solution against centralization of power within the same class.

The same thing goes here on Steemit! Since nobody has a grown balls to flag these whales abusing their Steem Power--therefore I am proposing to have a decentralized source of authority to handle abuse of power--which will be elected through an Electoral College of some sort!

This decentralized council will receive a terrifying amount of Steem Power delegation from the @steemit account--and will be in-charged to sanction these abusive whales once a consensus has been established through community voting using the Electoral College system.

Imagine if we follow the popular votes system--please note that haejin has more than 17,000 followers at the moment--do you think it will make sense?

Always remember most folks following this guy is coming from the Trading, Bitcoin, Altcoin, Shitcoin, Cryptocurrency, Technical Garbage culture!

How about the minority voices--those who are interested in Cooking, Gardening, Science, Technology, Nature, Travel, Solar Power, Racing, Space Exploration, Religion, Atheism, Pornography, Photography, Gambling, Cinematography, Boxing, Magic, etc.

Does that mean their voices are not counted during community voting because they represent a small minority here on @steemit?

That's the thing that you should begin to ponder on! Again, there is a reason why the Electoral College system is adapted by the US commission on election!

Your turn!

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Why @haejin has to post almost every hour? Why are they keep on upvoting? Should we listen to the warnings of @berniesanders and @acidyo? Or else...we could all loose.

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Agree... And what about these other Steemians who take a LOT of money from the reward pool every single day with mediocre to bad posts? The circle jerk groups? Something is really broken in Steemit and we have to find a solution for it to prevent this community to fall apart at some point in time, and Steem value to suffer from it. Soon, Steemit will have competition, and the monopoly is gone!

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Problem is ego and greed for money. @haejin flagged fundraiser for me from 50$ to 0$. Who flag fundraiser? Only moron!

Link about it

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That is a sad story man and respectless behaviour.

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When ego take control of someone this is what happens...

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Can anybody name those circlejerk groups by name???
I noticed quite a lot!
Too many!!!

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@acidyo if you really think that it is worth your time and effort to "do something against 100k a week rewards" then I honestly do wish you well in your task. Totally serious. I am starting to wonder about the amounts he is receiving and if it is any of MY business. Because small or not I upvote and resteem most of his posts! But I ponder if perhaps in making your own rewards you would forget about @haejin and his totally evil plot. Or what ever wrong he continues to reek upon the landscape of steem. No one has ever explained WHY it is so bad what haejin is doing and WHO he is hurting.
Until some bounty was placed upon him, and a war call cried out, haejin was a nobody! Now he is a somebody. How big is his body count before war was brought to him? None. Best to leave it alone.

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Indeed. In the wise words of John Templeton, "don't confuse brains with a bull market."

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in my opinion, it should be set up so that the net effect of user A voting on User B's posts, diminishes with each subsequent vote within a reasonable period of time (ie, a week, or a month, etc). That should apply whether up or down. 1 user should not be able to completely "make or break" another user.

If i vote for you, with my voting power, you'll get about 0.07. If i vote for you again within a day or so that reward should then be 0.035. after that, 0.0175, and so on. The same thing should happen when I vote for myself. Votes should be encouraged to be applied to others throughout the community, and not concentrated between few people.

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I've argued for this concept as well, which you can find implemented in many games. "Diminishing Returns" is the concept, where each subsequent related action is less impactful than the last. Many others raised objections to the complex nature of how it would have to be implemented, but it would definitely reduce the impact one person should have over another.

The same effect could be applied to both up and down votes.

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something being complex is no reason to not implement something - implementing a social network onto a blockchain is also pretty complex but they did that.....

lets hope sense prevails..

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One of the other reasons was that you could simply bypass it with a little effort, at least in terms of taking rewards from the pool.

If User A continuously upvotes User B, and diminishing rewards is implemented, User B could just create 100 accounts and post once on each account, and User A could upvote all of those posts from different users to bypass the diminishing returns.

That's one way around it.

However, it would still prevent User A from constantly upvoting B, and it would prevent downvoting in the same manner.

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my answer to that would be for that kind of activity to be considered abuse - and for the witnesses to have the power to deal with accounts created soley for abuse.

it also makes it a lot harder though. user A would have to keep creating 100 accounts every couple of weeks as those first 100 accounts would lose effectiveness.

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Well, diminishing returns wouldn't last forever between User A + User B I'd imagine. I don't think you should be penalized for voting for the same person once a week for a year for example. The diminishing aspect itself might kick in on the 2nd or 3rd vote for the same person on the same day, but it'd also replenish over time. So they'd eventually be able to recycle through those 100 accounts as the effects started to wear off.

It does make it harder, but in the end it doesn't solve the problem fully. It would however prevent people from focusing and picking on specific individuals, which also would make it harder to fight actual abuse :(

The entire situation is hard to find a proper solution for, which is why no one has jumped on implementing a solution.

At this point I think the entire rewards system may need to be fundamentally changed, maybe built from the ground up, in order to truly solve the problems at hand.

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I pretty much agree and acknowledge all of what you say - i think we're on the same page except you obviously have a deeper understanding than I. it makes sense though.

I'm guessing that we're not likely to see a reward system rewrite any time soon, given how drastic event that would be, the effort required, and the witness consensus, would make it almost impossible - so perhaps an incremental improvement as per our suggestion would be the way to go - even if not the perfect implementation...

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Yea but if user B used all 100 accounts to do it each time, it would be the same effect. And if B only used 1 account at a time, then the abuse was reduced by 100. Not bad.

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That's a pretty good idea. I suggested something similar in the past.

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it's an obvious flaw and it needs attention. If someone is rich enough, they can pretty much take over the whole network. you've got a pretty high reputation, and a fair bit of voting weight behind you - but someone can pretty much wipe out your reputation with a sustained attack if they have enough voting weight.

At my level - it wouldn't take much to wipe out my reputation. It's a form of censorship, as if i piss off the wrong whale they can effectively silence me.

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I've mention this several times but no one ever listens

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The post limit constraint should be applied again, specifically in regards to the number of posts that one can author and seek rewards for in a given time period. Any posts made afterwards could automatically default to "Decline Payout." In this manner, community engagement for the sake of engagement would be fostered, while still rewarding quality content.

Unfortunately the "Money Talks" slogan doesn't really convey this. Steemit has a marketing problem and it is tarnishing the public's perception of the steem blockchain. This is what ultimately needs to be addressed if steem is ever going to grow and sustain value.

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The four post limit used to work "behind the scenes". You could post as much as you want, but when you have more then four per day, a penalty would get applied to your post rewards.
The penalty wasn't even really that bad for 5 or 6 posts.

It was an elegant system and it worked just fine for many months. It was removed without any real discussion or reason behind it.

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Can Steemit implement it only for some users that are obviously draining reward pool?

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in that regard, is there a place where all these unspoken rules are stated? The whole "upvoting rewards vs time after posting" is still a mystery to me, and seems to have changed a bit over time and I cannot find anywhere where up-to-date info exists... The 4-post rule seems like another one of those rules that I heard about a long time ago, but only through other people commenting on it...

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Thanks, again, stinc, et al.

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I would reduce it to 1.

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Yeah, maybe 1 post and also some limit on comments.

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One seems a bit much. We had the four post limit for a pretty long time, and it worked perfectly. I really don't understand why it was removed.

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That was one of the mysteries at the time, why it was removed who knows, I bet you they didn't foresee all the damage that caused. Maybe they did it to keep the number of blockchain transactions on an uptrend.
If only one blog per day would be too restrictive, perhaps 1 blog per day would get sbd rewards, the rewards on remaining allowed posts per day would go to steem power.

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I think we should use up our posting power similar to the way we use up our voting power. It might also keep down the number of "Great Post" spam comments. People could be more motivated to contribute to discussions that interest them.

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Wouldn't stop it, they'd just use multiple accounts.

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You know, this isn't some crazy idea that I just made up. We had this, it was fine, it was good and it worked. Did people make multiple accounts to get around the four post limit in the past? Generally speaking, no.

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I never said it was a crazy idea, I'm just saying it's an artificial limitation that would get in the way of legitimate usage.

These kinds of limitations are what we have in the 20-second window too - which also needs to be removed.

The problem isn't "how many times can I post in a day", nor is it the solution.

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With the n2 to discourage self voting?

Or at least a sigmoid curve?

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Thats some aggressive posting!

Wadda pile of ever growing hemispherical neglect & hemispherical blindness we have to witness everyday!! Shessh!! 😈

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LOL

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wtf o.O

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Exactlly @newlive Is it me or is this a big "shit on capitalism" post? I mean, I don't think a capitalistic model is the best for producing quality content anyway. Look at the reduction in quality of manufactured goods over the last 5 decades. You can thank capitalism for that. But yeah, greed is a motivating factor for sure. LOL!

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lol when i clicked on this post, my computer crashed. Must be telling me something

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LOL.....it's just a hoax. he is part of the system he is complaining about. See how much it he lost is taking barely an hour.

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you are right. clickbait and upvote bot. sad!

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Well, Bernie has a point, TA is rubbish!

I flagged all of @haejin 's posts for the last 7 days.... if whales follow through, then steem will be a better place, meaning higher price of STEEM.

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What you mean? Right now flags dont have curration reward, which is a problem. In other words there should be a curation reward for flagging.

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That would not be good, if it where I could make money by just going on a flagging spree.

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Right now you can make ~50% profit by buying BCC in a matter of a very short time, the site just came back up.

Who cares what another user is doing?

Why the envy? Focus on that which you can control.. Make better content, interact with the community, buy Steem on the dips, and vote for your own content if you want - you will make money...

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How the heck did you get over 7,700 steem? Did you buy it all?

Feedback on my proposed partial solution to this issue is welcomed - generosity rank / 'vote spread' algorithm.

I would love to do something to this account, but my powers is next to nothing and will not make any difference. What I've done to further qualify if this account is useful or not:

  • Watched and Read various Posts
  • Commented to various posts asking why he is not answering any questions to his own posts and analyses, or upvoting any of the relevant comments > didn't get any feedback from the author, however did get feedback from supporters of this guy making excuses he is too busy and all
  • Most relevant information in his predications are usually missing, ie how he determines target values, so yeh some can be learned from his videos, but not in reality, it looks like you need to just trust this guy knows his stuff (and maybe he does, or doesn't, I dont know, I never checked if his predications are more to the truth then other predications)
  • He posted before on TradingView his ideas, but stopped doing so
  • He has a website presenting his channel/presence at Steemit
  • Looks like he uses only Steemit as the service to get his trading ideas published

Even when this guys predictions are good, I think taking 100s of dollars per post times 10 to 20 posts per day from the reward pool; combined with his partial explanations on how he does the predications; Just looks a bit outrageous to me.

That said, we have more Steemians taking 1000s of dollars from the reward pool every single day, with not that great posts as well. An ongoing BIG PROBLEM within our community. Auto voting in a circle jerk style.

Note: Self voted for visibility!

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You don't have to do anything to that account. Just stop voting for it, and vote for other people's posts.

As someone pointed out, a vote for someone else is equivalent to a downvote for the bad actor, because the reward pool is fixed and shared out via percentages.

Basically it needs the community to go on a mass voting spree for good posts, and the amount the bad posts get will automatically shrink without anyone having to do anything explicit.

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Problem is that the majority of the SP holders are in circle jerk or vote for these type of accounts.

I flagged all @haejin 's posts for the last 7 days, since I think technical analysis is complete non-sense that is misleading the public.

Now @berniesanders dont you think I deserve some upvotes on my blog?

As a decentralized platform both reward inequality and abusing bot votes both can be solved with courage, intelligence and some sacrifice in a decentralized ways.

  1. 1-2M SP from collective source or few whales to encounter @haejin like scenario. If a whale can upvote 8-10 of his posts to $300 so can another account with 2M can downvote his 7-9 post to equalize the situation.

  2. Making a channel for reporting bot vote abuse. Once a user is identified , he/she will be flagged and banned from bot voting similar to flagged by @chitah or @steemcleaners. The abuser will make another account, therefore, it will be a continuous process. Therefore, the fund and initiative should come from the bot owner association. Since it is their responsibility to guard this abuse not TOS but action.

  3. It is never possible to fight all these abusers, also they will evolve to find more loopholes. Therefore, actions should evolve too. A dedicated chat channel, 2M SP fund for vote equalization (why not if there are numerous underground or open channel for circle-jerk voting ), an association to fight bot vote abuse from bot owners.

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Define "circle-jerk voting".

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Whoa! A Reasonable Solution!?

What's this all about now? Is there a call to action I missed, or are you just hating on everyone?

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Good question. I'd like to know too.

Technical analysis is not doing better then letting a monkey trade, studies have shown this in the past. So clearly @haejin is being rewarded for non-sense and misleading his audience.

I also mention it in this video.

Flag it!

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exactly what I said earlier today, its all the same analysis to set up long positions with Elliot Waves. Its nothing new or engaging or helping people learn a new concept

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just keep flagging that dick. I believe someone said that it will not accomplish anything and that he can migrate to another account. Well, he can, but its easier said than done and after losing a few of those accounts he will stop. I believe that we can eradicate some greedy fuck! As long as rewards are fair, community will leave, if people like haejin will take that away, then Steemit is done. (Not everything build on Capitalism, can survive)