To my witness supporters: Lets vote on hardfork 17

5 months ago
68 in steem

As you all know I need to make a decision whether or not to update my node and support hardfork of steem 0.17.0. I see that a lot of witnesses are making that decision themselves, but I always understood democracy as a process which empowers the voters and in that sense I can only serve a spokesman of my supporters.

If you are still not sure what the update is about, I explained in detailed what the new update “Simplicity” will bring to the table on this post: “Find out whats new on steemt 0.17.0”

If you vote for me I would like to hear your thoughts on these changes and ultimately I would like you to cast a vote whether you want me to update the witness or not, which I will be doing on Monday the 20th. I will keep a tally of the voting and will follow the outcome, my vote will count as 1 too and could be decisive if there is a tie.

Votes in favor

  1. @neoxian
  2. @l0k1
  3. @stellabelle
  4. @personz
  5. @tincho
  6. @giantbear
  7. @sean-king
  8. @teamsteem

Votes Against

I am preparing two nodes now, one with each version, if we decide not to upgrade but the hard fork goes through anyway (it obtains a clear majority of witnesses), I will update on Tuesday so that I don’t miss blocks.

In order to vote, you have to support me as a witness too, if you don’t I suggest you debate this hardfork over with the witnesses you do vote for.

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@chitty
Steemit-Witness
@Waba Growth Strategist

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I'm in favor of the hardfork. It's not perfect and I'm disappointed that linear rewards curve wasn't implemented, but I'm for changes. Staying the same doesn't seem to be working.....let's see how it goes and then adjust the things that don't work with HF17

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68
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I agree!.. thanks for your vote

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75
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I knew you were high quality (actually 4KHQ) from the very start! And your stuff on Medium is great too.

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68
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Wow, thanks @stellabelle...I am a big fan of your work so that means a lot to me :)

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75
  ·  5 months ago

thanks for that! Sometimes on steemit, I am not sure how people actually feel......so that is great to hear. Is it perhaps that many of us feel relieved now? Dan is a very serious person, who doesn't appear to appreciate silly memes, comics and some of my more controversial videos......I feel a weird kind of relief now. Do you get this? I think a person's influence is something that is psychologically picked up on, like an emotion......

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  ·  5 months ago

It is indeed very weird.. I have a great deal of respect for Dan as I honestly believe he is a genius, I have seen his work and he has created the fasted and most revolutionary cryptocurrencies I have seen: Bitshares and Steemit... and this is coming from a MAJOR cryptogeek so I am not just being a "fan boy" here.

HOWEVER, like all geniuses he is a bit socially awkward and likes to get stuff done his way. This of course created a lot of friction and friction is never good for businesses.

Surprisingly since he is gone price is booming and people seem to be very positive. I am not sure if the two are directly correlated tho... Maybe a big investor was waiting for dan's departure to invest heavily.... or maybe its dan pumping the price so he can sell his stash for millions and laugh at the other whales who hated on him and sold for cheap.

There could be many things happening here, but this is what makes crypto community great.. and steemit has one of the largest crypto community out there, so we are GREAT! lol

This is all of course, just my opinion.

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66
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@stellabelle, PLEASE read this. HF17 is a very dangerous step in the wrong direction and it is made plain in this post.HF17 Commentary

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I'm in favor of it, we need to try out new things and these change, though obviously not perfect, are needed. As @clayop said in their piece, we can always roll back (should be able to anyway).

Also I just voted for you as witness, I like your attitude. 😊 👍

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68
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Thanks for that.

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HF17 Commentary - you might re-think, as everyone else who has actually read it has done.

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64
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No I don't agree with your analysis


Edit: I see you're spamming comments on this post, I'm just letting you know I'm flagging them.

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  ·  5 months ago

well, witnesses agree that that is exactly what the HF will do so ... I don't mind the flags, what I do mind is people being misled. Why do you think steem has bounced? It is short-termism - and it will be dreadfully damaging. I can show you why if you like ... but maybe you would prefer not to know!

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I have no idea why the price of Steem is up and down, I don't believe it's as simple as you're implying.

I'm not sure why you are saying you can show me why, I've read your articles and your position seems to be well laid out, and I resent the implication I would prefer not to know. Please! 🙄

I think you are in need of better research; throwing around accusations that there will be censorship (there won't), using incorrect figures, vague language and mixed metaphors does not make for a convincing argument. You said "I did write a very detailed analysis but I thought you might find that a tad dull – it is dull", perhaps you should have posted that. Dull posts are well received when they are accurate!

I don't think you can count witnesses agreeing with your propositions. @timcliff, @abit and @l0k1 for example all raised issues, among others, including @sneak.

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Your call ... I have a lot more research and You are welcome to it if you would like it. What gets said beneath a post and what gets said elsewhere ... as I said, your call. Everyone seems scared to speak their mind in front of a whale - have you noticed the responses from whales? I have not ... there are not any to notice. My language is not vague. My figures were wrong in one small way due to the very poorly worded github release. I have amendments subject to confirmation but they don't make much difference.
All the people whom you mentioned did not raise any specific issue other than @abit and I await his confirmation.
And ... by the way ... according to the github release, my post was accurate and when fixed, it will remain accurate.
I do not see your problem - could you actually explain what it is?
The truth is an important thing to seek. I do it with all I have at my disposal.
Others prefer to accept what they are told.
Direct quote in a message to me from a witness: "I did NOT do enough research nor understand how FUBAR this hardfork could potentially be.
Retracting my push for HF17. After reading what you have there I'm actually horrified."

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[Comment thread depth reached]

I do not see your problem - could you actually explain what it is?

Alright, I've detailed it on your post.

And ... by the way ... according to the github release, my post was accurate and when fixed, it will remain accurate.

You have not yet updated the article.

Direct quote in a message to me from a witness: "I did NOT do enough research nor understand how FUBAR this hardfork could potentially be. Retracting my push for HF17. After reading what you have there I'm actually horrified."

Have you got a link for this?

67
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I'm in favor of the hardfork.

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68
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Thanks!

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HF17 Commentary - you might re-think, as everyone else who has actually read it has done.

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I am also in favour of the hardfork

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Thanks, although to be fair to my supporters you would have to vote for my witness to be counted.

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ok.

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HF17 Commentary - you might re-think, as everyone else who has actually read it has done.

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I'm for HD17, and will support as witnesses the ones who will vote for it.

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68
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This is exactly how it should be done, you should support witnesses that represent your views on your platform. At the same time witnesses should be expressing the views of people who vote for them.

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HF17 Commentary - you might re-think, as everyone else who has actually read it has done.

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I favor the hard fork.

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Thanks for your opinion @sean-king, it seems most people do... please vote for me as a witness so I can count your vote.

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Done. 👍

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Thanks @sean-king

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HF17 Commentary - you might re-think, as everyone else who has actually read it has done.

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Amigo conta con mi apoyo, despues si queres me explicas bien como hago. Abzo!

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@tincho!.. basicamente podes votar por mi witness como lo hiciste por cervantes, lo que hago acá es consultarle a las personas que me apoyan si desean que se haga el update el próximo martes o no. UN abrazo!

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listo amigo, si llego te voto ya, si no en la noche. Che y despues me podes explicar lo del steemfund que creo que esta encabezado por vos, quiero entrar. El tema es q entiendo ingles y si lo escucho flor, pero leerlo me he dado cta que no existo! Disculpa q te joda pero bue, no me queda otra

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Listo amigo, ya te vote! comparto tb! abzo!

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I am in favor of the hardfork! Resteeming for more exposure.

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HF17 Commentary - you might re-think, as everyone else who has actually read it has done.

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In favor

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HF17 Commentary - you might re-think, as everyone else who has actually read it has done.

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I am in favour of the hardfork, hoping some well needed changes might just be enough to build Steemit :)

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HF17 Commentary - you might re-think, as everyone else who has actually read it has done.

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In favor for the hardcork here too and thanks for your commitment too this platform too! @chitty

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HF17 Commentary - you might re-think, as everyone else who has actually read it has done.

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Actually voted for @chitty as witness too!

Please understand these things are hard for me as a non techie too understand. Just following the people who i trust and do things that feel right.

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I am a non-techie as well! Every single witness I have interacted with over this agrees that the HF17 will produce exactly what I am suggesting. The whales control the price of steem - why has it bounced so much today? HF17 for the profits of whales!

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Guess im reading some other stories than you,

But please enlighten me on why you believe this HF17 is such a bad thing?

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  ·  5 months ago

Happily!
Whales can open as many accounts as they like
Use these accounts for posting spam via automated bots (unregulated)
Then they all comment on each others posts and vote on the posts and the comments in an orderly fashion and then get bots to distribute the value of the votes to a huge range of other accounts so that there becomes a hunt for the needle in a haystack.
Then they will say: Look, the distribution has improved ... but it has become more concentric.
It is just a big lie!

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I tend to be in favor of it and at this point plan on updating to HF17 this weekend.

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HF17 Commentary - you might re-think, as everyone else who has actually read it has done.

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Thank you. I have read it and also read your more in depth analysis. I agree with some of your points. I think curation rewards to the comments might be abused but that rest to see.

I think you might have some numbers wrong too. I'm not sure.

As I understand it, 38% of the reward fund will go to the comments. Then 62% of the reward fund will go to the author's post and a maximum of 25% of those % will go to the curators. That's how I understand it. Also there is multiple ways to abuse the system. This is stated in the whitepaper. The idea is that abusing the system for oneself is bad for everyone else and thus everyone will fight the abuse so that overall Steem gain in value and the abusers on average won't benefit from their behavior.

I tend to be against all curation rewards and I'm in the top curators...

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You are right about the numbers @abit corrected me on that - The github post was very poorly worded and I got it wrong.

Therefore, this is my understanding:
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The distribution % is slightly different. It does not however, affect the capability of whales to hijack the rewards pool. There will be bot posts, bot comments and bot voting on an unprecedented scale.
All I have here is a tiny influence on the way in which votes are counted and valued.
I do not have an answer to the invitation to rort the system.

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You might be right about the possibility of the comment reward pool being "hijacked". This kind of behavior would make the price of Steem go down. Right now what we are seeing from most whales is the intention of doing what they think is good for the platform and their stake overall. Most whales are now forgoing their curation reward because they have come to the conclusion it might be best for the platform and in the end their wallet.

Now I'm not saying the abuse of the comment reward pool shouldn't be a concern. It is a real concern and it's a good thing you're pointing it out.

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66
  ·  5 months ago

Why has steem jumped?

65
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I'm not to enthused about the 7 day pay out but let's see how it plays out. Otherwise, if we don't try, we don't learn.