Jesus Christ Never Claimed That He Is God, Instead It Is Mentioned In Several Places Of Bible To Worship Only ONE God! And Why Muslims Are TRUE CHRISTIANS?
Many Christians believe that Jesus is God and they are so convinced about it but convinced by who? we will find out today. Pardon me, I am inspired by two posts, one of them was by @dan (@dantheman) and second was @gavvet and I hope that they find my post as a response. I am not here to make false claims, nor I want to hurt anyone here. Let me start with an apology in advance that if something from my post hurts you, then please ignore it. Lets do a fair and respectful discussion on this topic.
Personally, I have studied several religions before, including Christianity and Hinduism etc and when I studied those religions, it made me wondered that almost all of them contains the same message which is, Worship God (ALLAH) alone and do not include anyone in His divinity and that is exactly the lesson of The Holy Religion ISLAM which brought me to one point and that is, respect every religion but only one religion can be true. Let me start to share some of my belief on judging religions that:
"You must study the scriptures and their holy books of religion, instead of looking at followers of religion"
Believe me, there are many so-called Christians that are not following Christianity on their own, so if I look at them and judge and say that Christianity is a false religion, then would you believe me? Most likely, you'll say to me that "hey you are insane, why you are looking at followers, look and study the scripture itself". Right?
But unfortunately due to the same mindset, we see today that there are large number of Atheists because their main focus is to look at followers and judge by the cover of religion (Cover of Religion = Followers). In their view, the whole universe exists by chance, probability and yet they are not ready to believe that money can be planted from earth by chance and yet they go for jobs, yeah? But for what? to make money? If you're saying that this universe is a result of chance and there was no God who caused this universe to exist then why you can't believe that money will be planted for you automatically?
Well, I am not really focusing on Atheists. I'd like to stay on topic, and I'd like to move forward with some questions for you, and I hope you'll participate in fair and respectful manners.
Question 1: I love Jesus Christ as a Muslim and all Muslims are obliged to love Jesus Christ if they want to be called Muslims, but the question is, do you love Jesus Christ as a Christian?
You'll most likely answer that "yes, we love Jesus Christ."
Question 2: What should we do with our loved ones? Should we obey them and make them happy? OR should we disobey and disrespect them?
I am sure enough that you'll say: "Loved one should be obeyed and should be respected"
Question 3: Do you believe that Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him) is God?
Looking at the majority in today's world, I am sure that you will say: "Yes, we believe that Jesus is God"
Here comes the special part. You claim to be a Christian and you claim to follow Jesus (PBUH) but you are disrespecting Jesus Christ and and disobeying him, is it that how you treat with your loved ones?
Question 4: Do you believe in Bible? As for me, I respect it and as a Muslim, I am a TRUE CHRISTIAN.
Hmm, your answer might be: "Are you crazy?, if I am christian then why I'd not follow bible?"
And you might question me, how we are disrespecting Jesus, we are giving him more status and it is a sign of our increased love to show love by calling him God?
Would you believe if I quote you a reference from your own holy book of bible that Jesus ordered you to worship only one God? The truth is, you are following the Christianity of church, not Christianity of bible. Your bible contains a lot of great things and we (as Muslims) believe that Bible is the book of God too which was revealed on Jesus Christ and that's the reason why we respect them. Lets analyze some of the verses of Bible in which Jesus ordered you to worship only One God which automatically proves that if there is one God and Jesus ordered it, then Jesus CANNOT be GOD:
It is mentioned in Gospel of Mark Chapter 12 Verse 29:
"'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one."
If you have even little senses then you'll understand what I am saying. It contains the word "Our" and then further it mentions "The Lord is one" which make it clear that you are disobeying Jesus Christ and disrespecting him by calling him God.
It is mentioned in Luke Chapter 18 Verse 19:
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
Another reference from Bible which makes it absolutely clear that there is only One God. Are you still denying the fact that there is only One God?
Question 5: Why our Christian brothers hate Muslims when Islam is the ONLY religion which brings honor and respect to Jesus Christ and order Muslims to believe in MIRACLES of Jesus and everything which He blessed to Jesus?
Well, it might be new for you if I say that Islam orders us to love Jesus PBUH because he was one of the greatest messengers of God. Lets look on some of Quranic verses and look at their beauty:
It is mentioned in Surah Al Imran Verse 45 to 47:
"(Remember) when the angels said, “O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him (God), whose name is the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, revered in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (to God). He will speak to the people from his cradle and as a man, and he is of the righteous.” She said, “My Lord, how can I have a child when no mortal has touched me?” He said, “So (it will be). God creates what He wills. If He decrees a thing, He says to it only, ‘Be!’ and it is.”
Look how much respect Quran gives to Jesus that it talks from the very beginning when Jesus didn't even exist. It explains beautifully that why Jesus didn't had father which was "God creates what He wills, if He decrees a thing, He says to it only, BE!" and it is"
Next big thing for you is, Quran orders us to affirm all the miracles given to Jesus Christ including the miracle of "Power over death". It is mentioned in Surah Al Imran Verse 49:
“I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I make for you the shape of a bird out of clay, I breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God’s permission. I heal the blind from birth and the leper. And I bring the dead to life by God’s permission. And I tell you what you eat and what you store in your houses....”
Where ALLAH orders Muslims to believe in Jesus? Well, it is ordered in several places but I remember only one at this time. It is mentioned in Surah Baqarah Verse 285:
"The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination.""
Question 6: Do Christians really follow Christianity as is mentioned in Bible? How Muslims are TRUE CHRISTIANS than Christians themselves?
Bible prohibits Wine. It is mentioned in Book of Ephesians Chapter 5 Verse 18:
"Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit,"
Bible prohibits Pork. It is mentioned in Leviticus Chapter 11 Verse 7
"And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you."
Yet we see that majority of Christians serve pork, eat pork and it is their favorite food while majority of Muslims do not have Pork which means, Muslims are following Bible more than Christian.
Majority of Christians drink wine and serve wine but majority of Muslims don't. Still convinced to call yourself a christian?
Definition Of True God - The Master Piece To Judge Religion When Studying Them:
It is mentioned in Surah Ikhlas Complete Chapter:
"Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One. Allah , the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born. Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
I have this masterpiece to judge any religion. If anyone claims to be the God, I'll put him to above test and if he passes that test, I'll be ready to call him God.
This post is getting longer and there are a lot of things which I wanted to write but I am not writing here because it is getting longer and longer. I hope that you benefits from my post and I highly hope and believe that it will increase your knowledge. I apologized in beginning and I'll do it again in case if anything from my post hurts you but I made my post based on facts. These are not just claims, these are backed-up with facts.
I'd be glad to answer critics so, do not hesitate to leave your response but lets do it in respectful manners. I have special level of respect for Bible.
What I believe is that Jesus, Mohammed and all other prophets are messengers of GOD, the're not gods, nor they are the sons of GOD. We humans worship the same GOD, the difference is how we do that, each messenger had his own way to teach his followers.
100% all are messenger of god,
No. That is not true. Mohammad and Jesus cannot both be right because they contradict each other.
There is only one true God, but there are many false gods. Worship directed at a false god is not automatically redirected by the post office to the true God.
You are contradicting yourself, and far it is to say that Mohammad and Jesus contradicted. I'd say, throw the glasses of religion, be neutral and tell what you see.
And I am not being rude at all. Friendly manners :)
Jesus said, "No one comes to the Father but by me." Mohammad would surely disagree.
Jesus said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.”
Mohammad said, Sura 4:157, "And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain."
Jesus said, (John 3:16) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."
Jesus own words!
Muhammad said:
"The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was no more than God's apostle . . . God is but one God. GOD FORBID THAT HE SHOULD HAVE A SON!" (4:171)
"Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack..." (19:88)
"They say: 'God forbid that He Himself should beget a son!' " (19:29-)
"They say: 'Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom . . .' " (17:111)
"They say: 'God has begotten a son.' God forbid! Self-sufficient is He.' " (10:68)
"They say: 'If the Lord of Mercy had a son, I would be the first to worship him.'" (43:72-81)
Islam is in many ways the mirror image, the very Antithesis of Christianity.
They can't both be right.
Your article has some fine reasoning. Let me say first I am a Christian, and I never have believed the trinity. And the religious organization I am affiliated with doesn't teach it.
Some things to add are the title Jesus took upon himself. If you wanted to tell someone that 2 people are equal or are the same what would you call them? Twins? Brothers at least? But Jesus chose to be called "the son of God" and God being called the "Father" this shows that God is older, wiser, and has authority over Jesus the son. Jesus said at John 14:28 "the father is greater than I am" and he said at John 8:28 that he only does what the father taught him, again older, wiser, authority. I agree with some of what you said in this article so very nice.
Thank you for the compliment, and yeah, I know that there are many Christians who do not affirm Jesus divinity and I congratulate you for that.
However, what you are quoting from bible is whole different story. If you are saying that Jesus liked to be called himself the son of God then we must find out the reason why! We can discuss it if you like in peaceful manner just like this.
He was called the son of God because as Paul put it, he was the "firstborn of all creation". He was the first creation and all things were created through him and for him. Thus he was the first born son.
Just as a side note I've been planning on writing an article about how the trinity doctrine got into false Christian churches. I'll let you know when it's out.
My friend the problem with Christianity is 95%, is based on 3rd party, e.g. What Paul, Mathew, john and all other disciples. Said and only 1% what Jesus said. That for me is anreliable.
Along with that, Jesus never wrote any books. Matthew, mark, luke, and John were all written by the men it is named after. If you can't trust his followers then you can trust him because all writings are from other men. Either you accept all scripture or none
Was in not Jesus who said he would give the keys to the kingdom to Peter? That's who I quoted the very man Jesus said that to.
Along with that Jesus said Matt 28:20 "I will be with you..." So the men who followed him were being directed by him in the end. 2 Tim 3:16 says "All scripture is inspired of God" Jesus told his desciples he would send a helper (holy spirit) to show them what they should say. This is why we can trust the writings of the first century Christians.
Hi thehackerjourney!
I am excited to read about your trinity doctrine.
I was talking about biblical proofs about why jesus was called the son of God though.
I'll tell you what give me your email and l send something later I'm getting off for the day in just a bit I'll send all I have on it.
And in addition, I'd say, let the things you disagree coming here so we could discuss further. No worries, we are matured enough and know that discussion in peaceful manners is good no matter what the topic is.
I prefer not to argue, but I'll just throw out there that we are no longer under the mosaic law so there isn't any need to avoid pork. Jesus said its the things that come out of a man that defiles him. Also Peter saw disgusting things coming out of heaven and God said quit calling unclean the things i have called clean. Symbolically pointing to Samaritans and Gentiles, it still shows a change in doctrine. Prior to the mosaic law God's servants Abraham, Jacob, Lot, Noah and so on we're not told to avoid pork, that command didn't come until the mosaic law. When Jesus died he fulfilled the law and now we are no longer under it.
The person who wrote the bible was a Roman, the same people who u claim crucified him, but let's not go, the bible was written long after, paul, or john, and they contain many erro, it's contaminated, u said it yourself I got a problem with the trinity even though it's in the bible, wake up and smell the coffe, if the bible is the word of God it would not have errors and lies on top of lies, look at the priest the biggest peterfiles there is and they ment to be repersenting god, since when did God say don't marry. It's a lie just like 95% of the bible .
@cryptosteem. Wow. I have never see so many false statements packed into a single paragraph.
Of course, you are correct that the Roman church corrupted their teachings away from what the Bible says unbelievably. It was Pope Gregory the Great in 600 AD who prohibited priests to marry even though the Bible documents that Peter himself was married.
You need to be careful to distinguish the inventions of the popes from the truth of the Bible in the original Greek manuscripts.
What is the punishment for apostasy in Islam?
Hi CryptoBarry, This is a whole different topic and there are different ways to determine what kind of apostasy that is. And I hope you know what is apostasy. There is no forces to make you accept Islam but when you accept Islam, you must do it with heart otherwise a person should stay as non-believer if he is not convinced. I remind you again, this is whole different and if you wish to discuss this topic, then I'd not even mind to make a separate post on it and publish in Steem.
Please stay on topic for now and hit your questions, critics, feedback or anything related to the post and thank you for taking your precious time to go read my post. Please keep it in respectful manners as we are obliged to respect each other regardless of religions.
Just as there is disagreement among Muslims there is disagreement among Christians and there has been from the beginning. The prevailing wisdom is that Jesus and God are one in the same, God made flesh. This is just a matter of faith so either you believe it or not. I can easily see many sides to an argument, but matters of faith are not really meant to be debated because there is no "right" answer . This mindset is the source of strife among people. The belief that all people must agree is impossible it can never happen.
@willam-noe
Muslim don't debate about is Allah God or not they all believen Allah is the Creator and Mohammed (P.b.u.h)s the messenger of God.
Muslim debate, regarding the sunnah, e.g the ways The Prophet. (P.b.u.h) lived his life what he teaches and how to follow his ways. Hope u understand.and we love Jesus (P.b.u.h)
Exactly. wE love Jesus PBUH and follow the most what he preached and taught to Christians in Bible.
If the definition of Christianity is following what Jesus preached, then I am a True Christian.
Actually, Christians cannot accept that. There is a right answer. God's answer.
Jesus said, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father but by Me."
So you can reject Jesus and go off after someone else's answer but you can't say Jesus would agree that there is no "right" answer or that all answers are equally valid.
Hi @william-noe
Thanks for participating in this topic. Actually, I agree with what @cryptosteem said and I partly agree with what you said too. As for disagreements among Christianity, it is such dangerous which take majority out of the fold of Christianity whereas for Muslims, we have disagreements too and disagreements produce tastes, as long as disagreements are good, we are good but when they attack the divinity of God, it destroys everything. As long as disagreements are on minor things, we are good.
The Essence of Christianity is that God himself bore our sins on the cross and that the only way to heaven is to believe and accept that fact.
So there is simply no way to compromise on this point or shuffle it under the rug as a "minor thing".
It is the Only Thing.
Ok, what I am talking about is conflicting world views. Islam has a first hand account of the teachings of Muhammad Christianity has no such first hand account on the teachings of Jesus. Also Jesus lived 600 years before Muhammad so had nothing to say about Islam. Reconciling 2000 year old and 1400 year old beliefs in the modern world requires more than narrow dogmatism.
Mate,
We were discussing about trinity to prove that there is only One God.
Actually jusus said ask ur own priest who try to hide this, I can't remember, the exact words used, and as Muslims we are stop't saying things that are inaccurate regarding God or his messengers, so I won't try and say this is how he said it, but he told his followers, to follow prophet Mohammed. (P.b.u.h), and said he shall speak of me, what ever he speak shall not be from his own mouth but from God, he was telling all his followers if he doesn't go the chosen one shall not come.
And lastly as muslims we belive he was never killed, God tuck his body alive to heaven, and he will come back again to set the table straight, and also to kill the antichrist.
Jesus never mentioned Mohammed or that any more prophets were coming. He did say that he would send his Holy Spirit to them after he left. This happened 50 days later at Pentecost as described in Acts 2.
As I showed elsewhere in this thread - read what Jesus said to Nicodemus in John 3:16-18. There are twelve places where Jesus predicted his suffering, death, and resurrection and he showed Thomas his wounds after he was resurrected.
Actually, this is false. Muhammad's teaching were collected and put to writing by his followers in the years after his death just like the apostles of Jesus. Muhammad was himself illiterate and wrote down nothing.
VERY SHORTLY AFTER HIS DEATHS PROBLY NOT EVEN A YEAR AFTER HIS DEATH, During his time he spend most of his time making sure the Quran was memorized This is because this was recited jurying the time he was alive and after he passed away, They memorised the Quran, until now many Muslims from young to old still memories the Quran by heart. The reason behind this is God as taken it upon him self. To make sure his last holy book will not be corrupted like the previous one's, it is recited 5 times a day by many Muslim and many still memories by heart, unlike the Christian even today when the priest and the preachers preach, they use the bible and don't memories hardly a full page let alone a full book.
I salute and respect Muslims for their devotion to their faith and their efforts to memorize its Scriptures. Incredibly impressive!
However, since those Scriptures contradict the Bible like a mirror image, and since the Bible's Old Testament is proven not to have been corrupted by the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls which prove no significant changes since the time of Jesus (when he personally attested to their infallibility), I tend to focus on content. Devotion only helps when what you are devoted to is correct.
My friend Islam is the only religion accepted by God from the beginning of time since Adam, and that as never changed and will never change, the only thing that changed is the messenger and Mohammed. (P.b.u.h) only came with the same message. The original message before it was changed. e.g the message of all the Prophets, of God, We as Muslim beliven the original Bible and the original Torah. And less not forget Jesus did not come with new religion he came only to affirm the Torah, because it was changed, this is what he said, I was send only to my people, who were his peole, the jewish, were his peole, so where did Christianity came from, he was only send to his people who changed the Torah, and by the way this rule's him out of being the creater, since he was send by the creator.
Then you should read the Dead Sea Scrolls. They date to 900 years before Muhammad and do not differ from the Bible Jews and Christians use today. Jesus stated clearly that the copy of the Scriptures the Jews were using in His day were authoritative and "cannot be broken". He said to the Jews, "If you believe Moses you would believe me, for he wrote about Me. If you don't believe what he wrote, how can you believe what I say." Jesus spent much of his time quoting those Scriptures - down to relying on the actual tense of a verb.
I understand that Muhammad claimed that the scriptures were wrong and then changed them to make his audience (the descendants of Ishmael and Esau) the heroes instead of Isaac and Jacob. But you must admit, it was Muhammad who did the changing. He got away with it until the Dead Sea Scrolls showed nothing had been corrupted at all since Jesus confirmed that the Scriptures could not be broken and should be believed.
Answer those simple questions, or go read ur bible to see the contradiction, of what ur saying, or the bible, is teaching, how can the Christians claim Jesus died, for the sins of the hole world and he is the savior of the whole world, if he was only send to his nation the children of Isreal, just like most of the prophet's before him, e.g Moses, David, Ibrahim.
Jesus was sent to the Jews in keeping of God's promise to Abraham.
After the Jews rejected Him, he instructed His disciples to "Go and make disciples of ALL nations."
Jesus own words to Nicodemus are conclusive:
I really find this debate unproductive at best. I hope we all can agree that more things unite us as human beings than divide us in our beliefs.
Both sides of this debate care deeply about finding the truth.
The first step is recognizing that we both can't be right.
Then we can both start digging to get at the actual truth.
Hi @william-noe and @stan and all people!
I didn't really wanted to debate my friends. I just wanted to discuss in soft manners but things are bit changed here, and looks like it is not my fault. I was very calm in my replies and posts, and agreed with what you guys said although partly and I agreed to disagree with a lot of things you guys said.
Apologies if you think this is not soft. No anger here.
However, truth matters. We might compromise on what we are having for dinner but when one teaches that salvation is believing God died on the cross for our sins and another teaches he was not God and did not die, then there is no place to compromise on that. So we can still be polite and calm. Firmness of conviction is not bad manners. :o)
@stan
No bro, I didn't meant that. I just noticed number of votes + number of replies. I was talking about that change. No problem with discussion with you guys.
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https://steemit.com/religion/@princewahaj/trinity-is-impossible-scientifically-and-how-it-is-impossible-to-have-more-than-one-god-episode-continues-and-why-the-message-of
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