Simple serious question: What has Donald Trump actually done wrong?
We hear about bad Trump everywhere in the media. I have a serious question for you.
What has he actually done wrong?
I am not talking about stupid things he said. We've had Presidents, politicians, etc saying some dumb things throughout history. He may put his foot in it a bit more than some others and everything is HUGE, but those are words.
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What has he actually done wrong that we actually have evidence of?
I know there have been a lot of claims, but there hasn't been a shred of evidence as far as I know on any of it. That is why I am asking.
I am not writing this post to endorse or attack anyone. I am asking a serious question.
I've seen a great many claims. I haven't seen any actual evidence. I've also seen cries to impeach him. Yet what are the grounds for impeachment?
It can't be the recent Washington Post thing about laptop bombs and talking to Russia about them. That is legal for the president to do, and they do that stuff frequently. Unless your name happens to be Trump. Let's say that wasn't the case.
It wasn't really classified since tons of news outlets had run stories about laptop bombs BEFORE that meeting ever happened. So Washington Post says something that they were excited about because it gave them a ratings spike. Yet they were passing off a story that had been in the news as though Trump talking about the same thing to Russia was leaking classified information. That is grounds for impeachment?
Now let's talk about both parties. Let's talk about the warhawks John "Insane" McCain, and Nancy Pelosi. These are two people that were not happy about any attempts at PEACE or working with Russia, Syria or anyone else. Do you want to know when they were both happy and almost dancing? When Trump ordered the missiles fired into Syria after the gassing that needed some serious investigating. They were happy. They want war. They thrive on it. If he'll give them war they will back him, if he will not they will attack him.
So why are we trying to resurrect the cold war anyway? If someone talks to Russia since when did that become bad? Do you suddenly hate Russians? Are we going to have a modern day Red Scare/McCarthyism and let history repeat?
Yet I asked many things that had nothing to do with my question. What has trump actually done wrong that we have evidence of? Please don't tell me he said words. We need actual actions. Words are meaningless until they are backed by action.
Also... for those that don't know... I voted third party anywhere I had such a choice. I would do so again. Though the bashing of Trump with no evidence (unless you can point me to it) and constant media barrage has me wishing at times I had voted for him.
If you do know of something and can point me to the evidence I'd really like to know. All I've seen so far is speculations, made up things, and people freaking out over words. These things are not impeachable offenses. So if you want to impeach him, point me at some evidence.
EDIT: I've gotten a lot of answers to questions I didn't ask. I'd still like to know the answer. People are telling me what I mostly know myself. I've found no evidence. I've heard there is evidence, but that is all words. I've seen no evidence. Often the evidence involves things that are not even a crime anyway. However, I don't know everything so I asked hoping for a serious answer. Please if you have one don't be frightened away by the people talking about how RIGHT he is. If you have evidence or know where it can be found I'd like to know. However, I am heading to bed now so if you do respond I likely won't see it until sometime tomorrow.
President Trump has done too many great things in a very short space of time. The huge bout of winning has triggered the incompetent Democrats and their sycophant mainstream media acolytes.
The haters are upset because Trump is winning, and he keeps winning for Americans! Record job creations, unemployment at 38 year lows, massive investment in US economy, consumer confidence up bigly!
It's too much winning and the butthurt losers in Hollywood and Washington DC can't cope!👌🐸
Too bad this is all still Obama-time results. Economic results of policy take at least a year.
You're getting upset because President Trump sent the stockmarket to record highs, and consumer and business confidence?
Also, brain surgeon Ben Carson finds $500B hole in HUD funding!
And illegal border crossing have already dropped by a massive 70%!
This is all fantastic winning by President Trump!👌
LOL. Please tell me where I am upset - or even why I should be upset about a roaring stock market. In fact commentors on the German DAX, which also is at record high, say it is despite Trump not because. But I don't care what they say anyway I just like their fairy tails, like they always have to find something as a reason which can be hilarious.
No, it is a simple statement, not about fake news, but about TRUTH that any economic measure takes month to show up in statistics (asides from the stock market which is speculation not economy) .
Maybe you are angry that Obama made some things right?
Employment data is economic measure. That's fact.
Consumer and business confidence data is at record highs. Thats fact.
Jobless claims are at 40 year lows.
A 70% drop in illegals means a safer America, less crime, less drugs, better services for Americans, and higher wages for Americans.
Your denial of facts is clear evidence you are getting epic Trump butthurt!👌🐸😂
Did I ever say your facts are alternative facts?
The point is that TODAYS data says nothing about TODAYS policy.
Wait for the end of the year and look at those numbers and maybe by then you can attribute them to the president (which would be overestimating the influence any president in a democracy can have on economy btw.)
The current data is directly attributable to President Trump's policies. In particular, business investment and confidence, manufacting surge, jobless claims, and stockmarket reaction!👌🐸🤗
The negative effects of the Obama economy kicked in quicker then a year. Obama did nothing to ease over regulation on business. I respectfully but strongly disagree. Obama policy did not bring apple back to the USA. Obama policy did not give tens of thousands of employee's bonus checks. Obama policy did not cause the stock market to start its amazing rise starting the very day that Donald Trump won the election. No my friend, You are greatly mistaken in my opinion.
That may be. I prefer facts over opinion. And I don't mean alternative facts.
And if you come with bonus checks, how about those thousands that get fired now, because thanks to the presidential present the company replaces workers with expensive machines?
Which negative effects do you mean? Obama started in 2009. When he left 8 years later, the stock price had more then doubled and unemployment plummeted.
In contrast, it took Trump only a big speech (adress to the nation or how do you call it?) to create the biggest stock price drop in several years.
Now that is impressive power!
That may or may not be true. I see a lot of that type of back and forth. I don't really want to know who is or is not butt hurt because we see that.
Thus why my questions was serious.
What has he actually done wrong that there is evidence of?
I am hoping someone who is against him has an answer. I've yet to see one. Just speculations, and people reacting to speculations as though they are fact.
What I posted can be verified by independent research of government statistics. President Trump is already delivering bigly! This is irrefutable fact!
And the Democrats are incompetent losers who did enormous harm to all Americans, but most damage was done to America's poorest. This is also another fact!
The incontrovertible truth cannot change, no matter how hard the butthurt Democrats try and spin it!
Yeah, but I've already seen that.
So my question for them still stands.
You were just given the facts. This is the incontrovertible truth. Pretending you need more facts doesn't change this. The truth is the truth! Barack Obama and the incompetent Democrats did enormous harm to America and the world.
That doesn't answer my question.
I didn't ask what he did right.
I asked what he did wrong.
No one has provided me that answer. So you are providing facts to a different question.
This is not needed. It doesn't help to try to ram things down people's minds like you are the only one with wisdom and a brain. It certainly is controvertable or it'd be clear.
Yet I am not one that is ATTACKING anything you shared. It didn't have anything to do with the question I asked. Had I asked what he has done right then that information would be relevant.
I haven't seen anything with evidence that he has done wrong. They call for impeachment, yet I haven't seen grounds for impeachment. How much you do right does not negate crimes. Yet I've seen no crimes. So I am asking what are they? What is the evidence?
Because she is a liar! We don't need liars in power. It's not about her sexual preferences, it's about Jan Schakowsky lying to the voter, deceiveing the public, getting compromised, and betraying Americans.
Go back and READ. I didn't disagree with that. I questioned why you felt the need to mention she is a Lesbian. Being a Lesbian doesn't have anything to do with being a liar. The rest I get.
My question wasn't what has he done right.
I want to know what there is evidence for that he has done wrong... I haven't seen any.
He hasn't done anything illegal. Even if he did what they accused him of it's still not illegal. Why are they looking into podestas ties to Russia. He works at WaPo now.
I don't deal in absolutes. If they can provide actual evidence and it can be verified then the truth can change. Truth changes all of the time. FACTS do not. Truth and FACTS are not the same thing. Truth is just what people believe based upon what they know. FACTS are the same regardless of belief.
So I'm curious to see if they can manifest in facts. I am skeptical that they can, but I thought I should ask just to be on the safe side. I am often wrong. I am not stubborn and locked saying NOTHING, NEVER, ALWAYS, etc. I am stubborn about absolutes... I have a pet peeve against the use of absolutes as they are ALMOST always false. Just takes one case they are wrong for an absolute to crumble. I am also not a Democrat... I am also not a Republican.
I'm a human. So I ask the question. You've provided information, yet it is information I knew. I'm waiting to see evidence of wrong doing.
And the butthurt Democrats are getting tangled up in all sorts of corruption!
What's in Debbie Wasserman Schultz's laptop and why is she trying to obstruct justice?
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The truth is very embarrassing for corrupt Democrats and more and more embarrassing facts emerge.
Yep. I know that too. Know about Seth Rich. I despise Hillary and would have voted for anyone before her, even a random person off the street. I know too much about her.
Yet that still has nothing to do with my question.
Where is the proof of wrongdoing and for what?
Simple, there is no proof. The lying Democrats and satanic pedophiles are making up lies to attack President Trump.
This is very probable. I tend to believe this may be the case.
However, I know I can be wrong, and so can you.
So I asked the question.
If they answer, I'll look into it. If it is actually factual it might change my mind.
So far the only people that have responded (like yourself) are people that know the same things I do and have come to many of the same conclusions.
So I cast out a question waiting to see if I'd get a serious answer to that question.
Though even if they are out there... I doubt they'd answer now. You guys are like a beaver slapping it's tail on the water while I'm trying to fish.
No fish are going to come here now.
How about saying Qatar supports terrorists, and then selling them weapons?
Yep, I agree that is wrong. Not something they can impeach him for, but it is still wrong, and this isn't exactly anything new either. Sadly that seems to be status quo with Presidents, say one thing ESPECIALLY while campaigning, and do the opposite or at least something different once president. Surprisingly he has been truer to his campaign words than most, but for many people that is not a good thing as they were terrified by his campaign words.
If you can look to my last post, you can see what he has done. :) Very good post by the way!!
Heh, I wrote this post 9 months ago. I do think he has done some things wrong since then. Not unusually so, but still there.
I didn't vote for him. At the moment I would.
He may have allegedly committed a crime...obstructing justice. This obstruction may have allegedly occurred during an investigation into something that likely isn't a crime. The focus on the alleged obstruction is probably due to the fact that there actually isn't any evidence of an actual crime being committed.
It's easy to say "there is evidence." It's another thing entirely to prove that there actually is evidence and that this evidence proves a crime was committed.
I'm no fan of government and politics, but this Trump stuff is mostly just sour grapes and absolutely ridiculous drama. Democrats are pretty much unhinged these days. They should settle down. The Republicans are very capable of shooting themselves in the foot. Just give them a few more months. The hammers are already cocked and they're currently taking aim.
That is what I am seeing mostly too. I'd like to see this evidence and something that is more than news opinion pieces that end up having no substance and be primarily geared to riling people up.
What he did wrong:
He has tried to force our country into doing things that are illegal several times with his border law.
He allegedly conspired with the Russians to rig the election.
He fired Comey for illegal reasons, which was to get the investigation removed from one of his buddies using his presidential power... Which is also illegal.
The list of things Trump does that is illegal goes on.
What about Trump University?
Does doing things that are blatantly illegal = wrong?
OK I read the rest of your post... No I do not think there is a ton of evidence yet. Only speculation.
That was my conclusion as well. I was hoping by asking the question someone might have some, but part way through replying to people last night I realized something. Consider it a DUH moment.
With how anti-Trump the media is if such evidence had been brought to light they would be ALL over ti and all of us would have heard about it by now.
To answer your question. It's not what he did but may have done. It's becoming apparent that the people around him tried to cash in with Russia. I wouldn't call them traitors because these people have no interest in patriotism - they only care about putting money into their bank accounts. They will sell out their country if it benefits them. What the hearings are about is how far up does this go in the Trump chain?
I've seen little evidence of it.
I have seen proof of that from Podesta, Hillary, and even Obama.
Though if that evidence exists I'd like to see it.
What proof that Podesta, Hillary, and Obama colluded with the Russians? Why? I would love to see a source on that. Now - unless you are talking about the DNC and the rigged elections or primaries for Hillary, but that had nothing to do with Russia.
You have Manafort and Flynn being used by the Russians - and that is a for sure deal. So what these hearings are about is just how involved was the Trump campaign with the Russians.
Most recent I've dound on this was:
https://steemit.com/news/@blakemiles84/trumps-russia-collusion-evidence-finally-exposed
Though you can google it and if you can wade through the maze of noise you can do your own research. It is not really for me to tell you as usually people will then just resort to ad hominems and attack the source.
If you want to pay me $120/hour I'll research it for you. Until that point all I can do is the same thing I am asking for others. Point you in a direction to start your own research.
There is a lot of noise out there. So it sometimes takes some digging to get past the bias on mainstream media AND alternative sites. Finding a true journalist these days is tough, so really you just have to find as many opposing views as you can and see where they overlap.
Haven't read the other replies, but a pattern of obstruction of justice, as noted by James Comey on repeated occasions. He only needs to be guilty of one instance of obstruction of justice to justify impeachment.
Off the top of my head:
-firing Comey while he was running an investigation into Trump's campaign.
-saying publicly that he fired Comey for the Russia investigation
-asking Comey to let an investigation on Michael Flynn's Russia ties go
Add in sharing codeword level intelligence shared with us from Israel and jeopardizing not only our own agents, but future information we would receive from allies. I think something like this, while not technically a crime because the president can legally declassify information, proves Trump is mentally unfit to be president, and there is a stipulation to remove such a president from office in the constitution.
I think that most news outlets are entering a dark age. Donald Trump is a media sensation, bigger than even the Kardashians. His brand is being manipulated by partisan writers on both sides to acquire as much ad revenue as possible. I've done writing on the side, selling individual articles, and many competitors would simply write political speculation that has no merit or evidence as you said.
I don't have the time right now to discover what evidence exists for other things Trump has done, but the existence of speculation for money significantly dilutes the capacity for valid news to reach people.
However, even if we are trying to consider what news is valid, what sources are legitimate, and what is the best objective perspective, social media has taken a role in delivering news to people based on their personal interests. This excludes objectivity and merely provides biased articles which appeal to the individual the most in order to obtain as many clicks as possible.
We won't see a change in the way media performs until more people stop clicking and start to question why the source of their news always seems to pander to their thoughts.
Or perhaps they come like some of us and take news from many sources, but think for ourselves and use those moments simply as a chance to question.
I don't watch the news for someone to tell me how I should think. I watch so I can hear things that I might otherwise have known about. Then I attempt to research on my own. It can be a muddy thing, but most journalism today is purely op eds. It is opinion rather than Journalism.
I've known some great journalists on the internet. They actually presented facts without trying to lead you to a conclusion or telling you what you should believe. One of my favorites is Ben Swann. He was silenced, censored, and basically scrubbed from the web when he had the gal to do a piece on Pizzagate. He didn't even say it was real. He simply said that no actual investigation had been done and that based upon the FBIs own training materials there was at least enough there to warrant investigating it before dismissing it. He was very unbiased about it. You could tell he knew there might be nothing to it. Yet that was enough to scrub him.
The world is a mess. Not just the U.S. The media is a big part of the problem, and I do think it could be because it is too fixated on ratings rather than doing what they should be doing.
agreed.... i rarely believe any one news source for my news. i usually watch several news sources daily. i am smart enough to know which way they slant biased(liberal, conservative, neutral) I find that the majority of mainstream media is slanted with a liberal bias, with a smaller percentage being slanted on a conservative bias, and an even smaller, almost non existant neutral bias(i think this is directly due to their being less available ad revinue allocated for the actual truth). I watch a segment of CNN, Bloomberg, Fox, CNBC, each on a daily basis. i also read many news sources online daily.. While i do primarily to make informed investing choices, i also do so because as an individual you should never just take one news source's word as the truth... it is always on a skewed version of events. but by taking several differently sourced stories you can generally find the kernel of truth away from the actual event. America as a whole has become sheep. simply following the herd, not thinking on their own, not asking the questions......there should always be questions! If you do not question the actions of your governing bodies then you are already a slave to it....
His Twitter posts are actually his opinion. People seem to believe that if you're the president of US you can't have a personal opinion?
Politics are great aren't they? :D
Sorry, but as a president you don't have a personal opinion. That may be wrong, but it is reality.
And as in most cases Trump is ignoring this reality.
But well, at least his tweets are always a source for fun. Sarcastic fun.
Yeah... I want people to learn the difference. Even if it is his opinion. He can say "I am going to have NASA build a ladder to the moon. It will be great. It will be huge. I'll make Russia pay for it." Guess what? Those are words. Until there are actual actions they are meaningless.
The land of the brave is full of people afraid of their own shadows and of words. Until those words are backed by actions they are not worthy of fear.
Even then they shouldn't be met with panic and uncontrolled emotion. They should be met with REASON and dealt with appropriately. Until there are actual actions though all they are is WORDS.
Actions speak louder, as always!
They should. Yet this last election cycle and the treatment of Trump seems to be trying to flip that on its head.
I have to say I totally feel the same way. I did NOT support Trump. I'm almost embarrassed that I have been defending him on facebook and youtube. I see not much he's done wrong. Nothing criminal anyway, although I disagree with the bombings in Syria... Thanks for validating my opinion. Sometimes I feel like the lone wolf in the forest.
I don't like Trump, but I also don't like people being unjustly attacked. Even if I don't like them. That is the key. This is totally obviously lopsided and a clear attack. It is throwing the dart, missing, throwing the dart again. That is not much different than a bully tossing darts at a person walking down the hall and missing, and trying again.
Find some justification AND THEN attack. Don't attack and then LOOK FOR JUSTIFICATION.
Have we, as Americans, forgetten our sixth ammendment rights?? " The 6th Amendment in the American Constitution guarantees an individual the right to a fair, speedy, and public trial. The 6th Amendment also enables an individual to have legal assistance, regardless of the charge, and the right to confront adverse witnesses and notice of accusations. These rights are given to all men or women under trial for any sort of wrongdoing. They establish the “innocent until proven guilty” mantra that is present in the United States legal system. " it seems to me as though a great majority are forgetting them in haste, as they allow their personal feelings about the president "trump" his 6th ammendment rights. Until someone can show proof of EVIDENCE that is not circumstantial in nature, the President is innocent of any crime... I think we can all say with a certain degree of educated thought, that this is simply a ploy being brought by the Democratic party to hinder the president's administration. The Democrats have moved too far to the left to regain control and currently have no plan as how they regain it. Their lack of immagination, or perhaps their refusal to return a little closer to the center, keeps them from turning things around. It would actually serve them better to stop attacking the President and his administration and debate congress and senate on the issues they disagree upon. It will help them down the road if the presidents policies do not work. they will at least have the ability to say we tried to work with them....at the moment they do not even have that going for them.
They have raped and kicked the 6th amendment to the curb long ago. How many people sit in jail for substantial periods of time before they get a trial?
There have been people in jail for a year+ with no trial.