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Coffee never knew it would taste so nice & sweet, before it met milk and sugar. We are good as individuals but became better when we meet & blend with the right people

-Chetan Bhagat

Collectivism has such a bad rap in the west that we immediately associate it with group think which is an unbalanced and destructive form of collectivism.

I really wanted to jump in here. Collectivism is the yin to Inidivudalisms yang. The problem we have with collectivism is that society is top down and so it becomes a tool for control. If we have more decentralized culture that had collectivist tendencies (a tendency towards harmony and agreement with others) but with strong individualism where people can question the collective (sometimes just for the sake of questioning in order to avoid falling into traps), collectivism would solve most of our problems. Collectivism is a positive force when balanced with individualism, but without each other both collectivism and individualism tend to be rather destructive albeit in very different ways.

EDIT: Still listening, Glad you guys finally got to this. I'm surprised at how averse you are to collectivism @clayboyn because of your spiritual beliefs (or truths or whatever), but it really depends on your definition of the word. Collectives are not anti-individual by nature, it's just the kind of collectives we are used to because we live in a society which is still functioning in lack-based thinking, where everyone is hungry for power. Obviously not every collective functions this way, but there are always people who push them in this direction.

Let me know if you want me on soon

Dude I would love for you to come on the show. Starting next week it will be at 5 am UTC Sunday, which is Saturday night for me, if you can make it let me know. If not we can do it on a better week for you.

i will try to make it, remind me 2 or 3 days beforehand if you can! :-) What do you want to talk about? Or shall we wing it?

Life, the universe, and everything. I always wing it lol.

woof woof ! can we discuss about how dogfood sucks and it's better meat for your dog than dogfood? woof woof!! just saying.. woof

That makes sense to me! A lot of dog food is actually terrible when it comes to nutrition.

woow woof! Vive la meat!!

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