Acrylic Fluid Art: YAP #29 (Video)

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HF21: Downvotes are not "FREE!"

Painting costs money. Video production costs money. Video hosting costs money... As a content creator I rely on a reasonable revenue stream to bring you entertainment in the quality you have come to expect. This requires a lot of eyeballs, which in turn need heavy promotion, which - again - costs money. My money, not yours. Upfront, with no guarantees...

Some people on the STEEM want you to believe that promoting one's posts equals "bot abuse" and encourage you to downvote trending posts "for free" via the new downvote pool, to "clean up the STEEM" and "protect your investment." If enough people are following this shortsighted line of argument, my promotions will fail and I will lose money. How long do you think I will go along with that?

HF21 has given upvoters a bigger piece of the action. Fine, but you know what? 50% of nothing is still NOTHING! Drive the content creators away from the platform with your downvotes, and you have no platform. How "free" are those downvotes, really? So please, think hard before you hit that downvote button!

That said, enjoy my new video:

 

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think hard before you hit that downvote button!

I thought about it so don't take it personally.

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That's the current 'art' tag trending tab. Yours is at the top. You DOWNVOTED everyone below you.

Some of those folks EARNED their spot and EARNED those potential eyes.

I'm also an artist here. I also depend on those eyes. I've been a member now for THREE YEARS. My current post, which includes new artwork that took several hours to produce, along with ACTUAL writing, instead of some cringeworthy self righteous rant about how IMPORTANT you think you are, is EARNING far less, and will most likely get buried, AGAIN, because of your downvotes disguised as "PROMOTION". You basically walked into an art gallery and put your work on top of another artist's work and yelled about how you're more important and deserving of that spot on the wall.

Compare your engagement with mine. Compare the rewards. I'm getting more eyes, more genuine engagement. That's all organic. All 797 posts. We all need eyes and you're doing a fine job of pushing actual content producers away with that attitude of yours.

My money, not yours.

That money comes from a shared reward pool.

Your comment is full of misguided anger and envy. Very sad. Regardless, I appreciate your honesty, so thanks for that.

When you joined this club, it was much easier to get ahead, among other reasons, because the votes of newbies were WORTH SOMETHING back then. So please don't talk to me about "organic".

As to my buying a better spot, that's called capitalism. What I have done is something anybody else - including you - could do just as easily if they're willing to spend the pittance of a few Steem. HOW is this cutting in line?

Tell me, do you also bitch about the people flying first class, because YOU prefer economy?

If you have an organic following I'm happy for you. You could have helped me get there in time. That would have "cost" you an upvote. Instead, you chose to drive another nail in the coffin of the already ravaged Steem with a "free" downvote...

I stand behind what I wrote 100%. Sadly, your comment proves me right.

@caro-art you cant claim capitalism then complain when the free market tosses you downvotes on your promotion.

I'm neither complaining nor retaliating. I believe I thanked my downvoter for his honesty. I would have thanked you, too, if you had shown the decency to explain why you wasted a dollar from the FREE COMMUNITY downvote pool on my post.

This is my 29th video, and all have been pay-promoted to the Trending page. Where was your downvote in the past, when it was costing your own voting mana?

I'm not angry and I'm most certainly not envious. I could push a couple buttons and make the top of the trending page, every single day, because that's the easiest thing to do here. If you EARNED this slot, and actually made that much money, I'd be proud of you, even if the post buried mine, because you EARNED it, it's yours. I celebrate success.

When you joined this club, it was much easier to get ahead, among other reasons, because the votes of newbies were WORTH SOMETHING back then. So please don't talk to me about "organic".

It wasn't easier to earn when I started. You can simply scroll all the way down through my posts and see. I came with nothing and didn't know anyone. It was incredibly hard to get the ball rolling. Also, when I started, the newbie votes weren't worth a damn thing. They're worth far more today than they were back then. A 25% vote today is equivalent to what a 100% vote used to be, when I started.

ALL organic. Don't talk to me about what it was like back then. You weren't there to experience it. I know better.

Tell me, do you also bitch about the people flying first class, because YOU prefer economy?

I'm not bitching. Read your post. You're bitching. You're also starting to show more misguided anger and envy.

If you have an organic following I'm happy for you. You could have helped me get there in time. That would have "cost" you an upvote. Instead, you chose to drive another nail in the coffin of the already ravaged Steem with a "free" downvote...

I actually found your post on the Creative Coin feed. I was looking for content to upvote, which is something I do daily. I saw your whiny rant, came over to Steemit, and saw the artificial rewards. By the looks of these rewards, you don't need my help. A 100% vote would have only been about 40 cents, plus about 60 CCC and nearly 1 PAL.

Here's proof of my curation efforts:
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I try to help a lot of folks get somewhere organically. I noticed you sold all of your CCC, after being rewarded with a couple of organic trending posts on their trending page. I also noticed you don't even follow anyone... but you want people to support you. It helps to be part of the community. I could give you advice all day but your attitude and actions here today make me feel like I'd be wasting my time trying to help.

If you think you're right, then be right. That doesn't bother me. I already know for a fact the abuse of these bots drove thousands of people away, and many of them were artists. Many had talent. They worked hard for a long time. Then a noob comes and pushes them out of the way with shit posts.

Now, more than ever, I need those eyes to keep going. We earn less as content producers now and if we can't get anywhere organically and make up for those losses through actual curation because our posts get buried, we have to leave. You want eyes, so you pay people to look away, while driving the rest of the eyes away. That doesn't make much sense. If this was a theater, you're contributing to the removal of seats. Is that wise for business? No.

Wouldn't you prefer more actual organic curation and eyes? That's the goal people are attempting to achieve by minimizing the use of bidbots and encouraging folks to curate instead of sell votes. Then the money you make can pay for paint, instead of you spending all this extra money for no reason other than making someone else wealthy for doing nothing, all while this is a platform that allows people to publish for FREE, and earn money for their efforts and involvement. The bidbot sales pitch is for suckers. It's not promotion when you literally pay people to look away.

I could push a couple buttons and make the top of the trending page

Yes, you could. So why don't you? What gives you the right to condemn me, if you're to cheap, or too lazy, or whatever, to do it? I reiterate, I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm legally buying what others are legally selling.

Don't talk to me about what it was like back then. You weren't there to experience it.

How do you know? You know nothing about me, or my history, for that matter.

you don't even follow anyone

That's right. "Follow for follow" is another bullshit game that drove the Steem down to where it is now. And I'm not playing. The few followers I have follow me, because they love me (hopefully) or hate me.

I see my role here as a content producer, not a curator. That's the role I like. Your mileage may vary. My attitude is perfectly legitimate and if memory serves, the freedom of different roles on the platform were even promoted by StInc.

I noticed you sold all of your CCC

Yes, and all of my PAL, too. And every airdrop as well. Again, I'm not interested in curating. What's it to you? Who died and made you boss?

by minimizing the use of bidbots

Actually, I have never used a bidbot. You seem to have checked up on me, but in your zeal you must have overlooked that tiny factoid.

I bought votes and will continue to do so for as long as it pays. And every vote seller will have voted honest content (even you can't disagree with that) and get a nice, fat curation. Minus the portion burned by the downvotes of some zealous dogooders.

NOW, PLEASE: Life is too short, especially for pissing contests. You're not going to convince me, and I'm not going to convince you. Let's just agree to disagree, and you can follow and downvote me to your heart's content. Be well.

Yes, you could. So why don't you? What gives you the right to condemn me, if you're to cheap, or too lazy, or whatever, to do it? I reiterate, I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm legally buying what others are legally selling.

Not cheap, nor am I lazy, and not much in the mood for name calling.

Condemning you? Read your post. Who's condemning who? I never said you did anything wrong. All I did was point out how your actions are just like downvotes and you don't like downvotes.

"Follow for follow"

I never said anything about that. Your reaction is quite strange you're putting words in my mouth. That makes responding difficult.

Who died and made you boss?

I don't remember talking about being in charge.

I do remember saying, "It helps to be part of the community. I could give you advice all day but your attitude and actions here today make me feel like I'd be wasting my time trying to help," and you're clearly demonstrating why I'd say that.

I won't follow and downvote. And since you don't need my help or support, I guess I'll be on my way.

Good luck with paying the middleman, or whatever it is you enjoy doing. Bidbots, paid votes. It's all the same. You prefer they make 90-100% for YOUR work, and the rest of us can actually earn. Have fun!

not much in the mood for name calling

I read that portion again and apologize. Sorry, my anger got the better of me.

Don't worry. I get it. Your post highlights your frustration long before I even stumbled into it. And for the record, I typically only downvote art frauds and plagiarists. I apologize for the inconvenience.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

No apology necessary. Be well.

Downvote someone's post because it's doing well? Because it's trending? That's ludicrous and blatant promotion of envy. I don't downvote anyone. If I don't like something, I just click away on to the next post. I'm glad to see someone else doing well.

“Take sincere joy in the success of others. Being happy for them will make you feel incredible about YOU!” ~MomzillaNC

Resteemed

Thank you for your support, and thank you especially for the resteem.

Downvote someone's post because it's doing well

In all fairness, the downvotes are not for "doing well." I'm not doing well. The @caro-art account is relatively new to the Steem ecosystem and has accordingly very few followers. To remedy that situation I buy votes at a profit in order to appear as high up as possible on the "Trending"-page in order to get noticed. THAT'S what some people object to.

The way I look at it, I'm putting effort and money in my videos, and the possibility exists to promote them for money (vote buying) - legally! So why the heck not? Mind you, I'm NOT gaming the system with low value posts!

I have no problem with downvotes as such. Go ahead, put your money where your mouth is and downvote! What irks me is, now all of a sudden, since downvotes are free (HF21) people are coming out of the woodwork with fat downvotes; people who never bothered to look at my posts before, albeit give them an upvote.

That's still no reason to downvote someone. People pay for marketing all the time. What… do they think they all trot out for the latest Stephen King novel just because it's sitting there on the bookstore shelf? Hype and marketing are part of the business of being a creative.

I say again, if you don't like a post, just click away from it and move on. Downvoting someone out of spite is just juvenile and petty.

Hype and marketing are part of the business

Yes, agree 100%, but the Steem is full of people who feel differently. If we keep discussing this, we'll end up in the realm of politics very quickly. The similarities are uncanny, but we really shouldn't talk about it. Very bad for one's blood pressure ;-)

I understand. I'm pretty deep into writer-activism and artist-activism. But, I try to keep this account focused on the creative. I have a separate blog account on Medium for my activism.

Downvoting someone out of spite is just juvenile and petty.

That's not what's happening. You're attempting to demonize standard practices with spin.

standard practices

Yup, that's what I'm afraid of: it will become standard practice, which is why I'm leaving. And the people who are cheerleading such "standards" have no problem selling their upvote for cash into their own pocket and virtue signal with the free community downvote a few days later:

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I don't sell my upvotes or buy votes. Downvotes have always been part of the curation process and are necessary to help create balance and combat abuse.

@nonameslefttouse – Remember please, opinions are only feelings on an issue and everyone is entitled to their feelings about things. You are entitled not to like it, but you are NOT entitled to try drop into my conversation with @caro-art to insist I must feel the way you do.

Frankly, if anyone might have a reason to slighted feelings by @caro-art's marketing strategy, I would have that right. I happen to be an award-winning graphic designer of more than 25 years experience, an award-winning poet, an author, and a once renowned local artist. I can easily hold up my content to comparison with the best creative content on this platform.

It's not hard to see what he's done based on interactions per post and followers, etc. I don't care. I happen to like his outré artistic expression and am glad it popped up to my attention, thanks to his marketing strategy. It likely would not have done otherwise. I'm glad for it, just as I'm glad when some little-known author whom I like pops into my attention thanks to publisher marketing strategies. I recognize the value in the professional creative industry-wide "standard" practice of paid support through marketing and advertising.

I NEVER downvote anyone. I will NOT be convinced to do so. I prefer to encourage rather than to take umbrage. I try always to: “Take sincere joy in the success of others. Being happy for them will make you feel incredible about YOU!” ~MomzillaNC

what he's done

I know things are gender fluid and all that jazz these days, but "he" is actually a "she" :-) Hi, I'm Caroline.

I happen to be an award-winning...

Wow, now you got me curious... A quick glance at your blog got me to the twisted poetry which I liked in particular. Got me thinking,still trying to decipher the depth of it.

a once renowned local artist

What happened, if I may ask? Did you move? I'm still working on the local angle, as I have not found "my" style just yet. Don't wanna go to an art show with a mishmash of experiments. (I dicovered art very late in life.)

Whoops! Sorry. Nice to connect, Caroline.

I used to be know as "The Daisy Girl" in the local art scene where I attended art school. I had a penchant for including daisies in most of my work, which was well received. Then, I moved from art school to a university to study fashion design in another state.

Keep up your experimentation. As I said, I was drawn to your outré artistic expression. I look forward to seeing where your experimentation leads your vision.

Oh… Here's one of my own "mish-mash" experiments from the mid 1990s. I began with a hand-drawn image, created some objects in SoftImage (early 3D modeling software), then layered them onto the drawing in Photoshop and "painted" the drawing:

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"The Daisy Girl"

That's so cute. I like daisies, too. Interesting story :) As to the Christmas Kiss, I love her dress!

Keep up your experimentation

I will. Messing with resin and mixed media currently, but that's not so suitable for quick videos. This winter I'll try my hand on some brushwork in conjunction with pouring. We'll see. Thank you so much for the encouragement.

but you are NOT entitled to try drop into my conversation with @caro-art to insist I must feel the way you do.

I don't need permission to talk. I'm being honest and polite as well.

When you say, "Downvoting someone out of spite is just juvenile and petty," I agree. At the same time, you're insisting I feel the way you think I feel.

Downvoting someone out of spite is just juvenile and petty.

That's not what's happening. I didn't downvote anyone out of spite and I can't say I appreciate your indirect attempt to make someone who's simply curating by the rules look like a villain for doing so.

I never said there was anything wrong with the art portion of the post. The attitude is certainly cringeworthy and the paid votes disguise that as popular opinion, which is misleading. I'm sure, since you're an expert, you understand the negative consequences of false advertising. False advertising is the exact opposite of standard practice, and you know that. I didn't downvote the art. I didn't downvote the artist. It was nothing personal. The amount of resources used to purchase the slot was excessive and unnecessary so I helped put some of that money back in the pool so other artists and writers (anyone) can have a chance to earn it. The post is still on the trending page and nobody is planning to go crazy and knock the value down to zero. Promotion costs money. If people are fine with spending money to promote, why are they upset when something has a cost? There was no contract signed and no guarantees. The consumer got exactly what they bought, nothing more, nothing less.

I also celebrate success. I don't care if you don't downvote. Nobody is demanding you become a responsible curator.

That's quite a volume of passive-aggression you've composed there. I'll be direct:

  • It is NOT polite to intrude into someone else's conversation – as you have done in EVERY conversation on this post.
  • I did NOT enter your conversation with him and did not invite you into mine.
  • It was NOT polite to enter my conversation and accuse me of demonizing anyone because I don't agree with your "standard practice" about a site-legal stratagem.
  • Accusing @caro-art of "false advertising" is not only impolite, it is a clear charge against him and unquestionably demonizing his use of the only direct marketing strategy available to him on this platform.
  • It is NOT polite to accuse others of irresponsibility because they choose kindness in curation.
  • In addition, it is a patently false accusation. As I've stated previously, his work came to my attention through his strategy and I appreciate his outré style; so I am glad his strategy drew my attention to him – which is the very legal refutation of your charge against him.

You keep commenting about what I know. Well, I know that cost is not subjective ephemera. I know he already out-laid real-world cost by purchasing the block of votes out of his own real world pockets – as you put it, "spending money to promote." I know that I feel downvoting is just punishing him for promoting his work; to you, it's just an ephemeral toying with numbers with no financial cost for you. I know whatever benefit you receive from downvoting is at HIS expense and the at the expense of people like me, who follow him because we find value in what he posts. Ultimately, downvoting, in my estimation, is an attack toll for "crossing the bridge.' I know that in the real world, marketing and advertising are ubiquitous aspects of every product and service the world over. I know false advertising is lying about goods or services. I know he is not lying about his art to me – because, again, I find value in his posts and am glad his strategy brought them to my attention.

Moreover, after three years on the site, you must know – as a whale kindly explained to me in my early days on the site – that the largest bulk of voting happens in the first couple of hours or so. It is more beneficial to vote early in the process. I rarely use the "Trending" feed. I begin by checking out the posts of those who supported my own work; theirs are the only posts I ever vote later than three hours after posting. Then, I move on to the live feed. My voting there – and of most of the people I know on this site – goes to folks on the "New" feed. I typically scan posts up to the first two hours on the "New" feed. Yes, his large vote tally drew my attention because it was in the first couple of hours one day. But, I voted for his post and resteemed it because I liked his work; then, followed him – again, because I like what he was advertising.

I do think bidbots are false advertising. They are like stacking a nightclub with paid-actor "patrons" to create the public façade of a hot clubbing scene. Still, I don't downvote there either – but, in that case, no matter how much I like the work presented, I won't give my vote to a post that is littered with bidbots. I don't agree that buying vote blocks is, by its nature, false advertising. I believe, with my peripheral experience in advertising and marketing through my work as a designer in print media, that I have a solid basis for my perspective.

You'll note, I have not upvoted any of your own posts though they have often appeared in my feed; neither did I ever downvote any of your work – even though some of it annoys my sensibilities. That's not to say your art and/or writing has no value; others obviously value your work – my sensibilities are not grounds to diminish your value as perceived by your voters through my downvoting. Art is subjective. I don't know if you downvote work you dislike based on the work, but I have encountered a few who do so as "standard practice" and have assiduously tried to convince me to do likewise, and have demonized me for declining to do so – as you've done by claiming I'm not acting as a "responsible curator" because I choose not to downvote someone for a perfectly site-legal practice.

I curate content – not people. I curate on what I like with my vote – I do not punish what I do not like with a downvote. To me, my practice is kind and "kind" is responsible curation.

I do think bidbots are false advertising.

If I may interject something. I agree wholeheartedly with the above statement, especially if they're being used to push junk content in order to game the system.

Vote buying for a bona fide post, however, is NO DIFFERENT from ANY OTHER automated curation trail. (of which there are quite a few on the Steem)

The only difference is, as the vote buyer, I'm proposing to a bunch of people what to curate, i.e. my own post, and for a hefty price. That is considered selfish by some. As far as the ecosystem is concerned, a quality post is being upvoted, and the voters collect curation rewards from the pool. (There is even a small extra benefit of SBD being recirculated which is supposed to help with inflation, if I understand it right.)

On a curation trail, some content guru dude, or some group, gets to determine what is considered "quality" and a bunch of people follow this sight unseen with a similar profit motive, in the hopes the guru picks content that shells out the best curation rewards. This behavior, however, is considered "social."

Many a poor bastard noob fell for this, thinking the dough is now rolling in, and got bitterly disappointed instead when the socialist caravan moved on. Many of these folks left and have been badmouthing the Steem for this experience ever since.

So who is really doing harm to the ecosystem here?

With regards to your club example, as long as the club owner keeps it up, the paid actors and the club staff have employment and can EAT. If it works out, at least the club staff will KEEP EATING. So I can't see anything wrong with this kind of "raging capitalism," provided, we're talking about a bona fide night club that's here to stay. (as opposed to a scam to bilk potential investors)

I stopped reading at rule number one. Have a nice day.

I didn't downvote the art. I didn't downvote the artist.

Those are my words.

Also, this is the definition of trending:
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That advertisement/promotion above states:

Drive the content creators away from the platform with your downvotes, and you have no platform.

And due to the use of an exploit, that opinion has been disguised as popular opinion, when in reality this is a paid promotion.

Nobody here is attempting to drive content producers away. Some simply disagree with how this place works. Making the claim that someone is somehow attempting to drive people away and disguising that belief as popular opinion is false advertising. It is NOT impolite to point that out.

I simply don't have time for this discussion now.

So right what you said
I got a cuestion ? How do you upload you video ?

Thank you. After all the stuff I had to read today, your recognition is most welcome.

My videos are hosted at Vimeo. My hubby and I share a professional subscription there. This is exactly why I wrote "video hosting costs money." If you want your video delivered as an embedded quality stream that really works, you have to pay for it. I have tried other platforms, and there are problems with all of them. Vimeo I can recommend without reservation.

For political reasons, I refuse to give the censorial f.cks at Google/Youtube even one minute of video to further their profits. But I have to admit, YT also works well in conjunction with Steem.

You could use the actual Dtube service you tagged, for free, and get paid. Using incorrect tags like that will get you downvoted as well. I know, I know, you hate me and know everything. Just trying to help ;)

a) I don't hate you, especially not for lousy 37 cents :-)

b) I tried dTube, with other accounts. Several times. And it sucked, bigtime. Videos wouldn't play, the quality was horrible, etc.. And for the privilege, dTube took 25% of the profits as beneficiary. Which, BTW, kills the tiny profit of any paid promotion.

c) I have been using this "incorrect" tag for a long time, and never a downvote. It would have been easy for the mighty "dtube"-account to downvote every last penny of my profit. Apparently, they're not that petty.

Besides, people see #dtube, they expect a video, and that's exactly what they get, in good quality. So, "incorrect?" Not really.

Dtube does have those downsides, at times, but I thought they improved? I don't know.

Also, thanks for being honest with this noob who said:

Downvote someone's post because it's doing well? Because it's trending? That's ludicrous and blatant promotion of envy.

In the past I've seen so many buy votes then pretend to be popular. That was sickening. Good to see some honesty.

I thought they improved? I don't know.

I don't know either. It's been several months. However, that still doesn't solve the problem that old videos get buried and aren't accessible anymore. It's also a major disadvantage that one gives up control of the content. What if somebody runs into legal trouble and needs to take down a vid? Here in Europe it's very easy to film the wrong person on the street and - presto - legal hot water.

pretend to be popular

It's not about being popular. It's about getting there.

It's about getting there.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen too many get there by promoting every post. Usually the opposite happens. They go nowhere. Look at Jerry. Over 30000 followers, lucky to make a buck organically now. That's typical. Eyes are important, indeed. So is an invested following. That's quite different than a following and unique to this platform. Old ways don't work well here. I won't drag this out though. Good luck.

too many get there by promoting every post

I promote every post, heavy. Success could be better, but beats disappearing within minutes.

Jerry

...is a bit of a special case, wouldn't you agree?

invested following

Exactly why I'm not following anybody. Follow me because you like the content, and for no other reason.

Old ways don't work well here

Agree. The new ones will work even less, I can see that already, so I will probably leave.

This HF21 is a death knell for Steem. Perhaps not the 50/50 split, but the free downvotes for sure. I just caught a 100% $5 DV from @smooth which pretty much killed this post. Where was @smooth in the past, curating? Had it been his money he wouldn't have wasted a downvote on me...

I'm here out of nostalgic idealism. It used to be great, full of promise. But people always have to f.ck with a good thing and fix stuff that isn't broken. I detest FB and Youtube, but fact is, I can monetize my vids and sell my paintings better than here, with about the same effort and much more reach. Idealism doesn't last forever.

Good luck to you as well.



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