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Delegate

I had been delegating 10k SP to MinnowBooster, and as a result of this recent DDoS attack decided to take some time off, checking back every day to see if the site was behaving better. (I know there are other interfaces, but I needed a break anyway.) After a couple days of not writing posts or comments, or curating, I realized that I was at 100% voting power and it was being “wasted”.

Not entirely wasted, as I’ve recently configured my http://SteemVoter.com rules to reward three people who my followers helped determine.

So, I decided to delegate even more to MinnowBooster, tripling my investment to a little over 30k right now, leaving me with around 600 SP – the goal being to keep the “upvote slider” (given at 500 SP or more) even though my upvote has fallen dramatically as I mentioned yesterday.

This also has the effect that the SteemVoter rules aren’t as rewarding to those receiving those upvotes, since they’re now only worth seven cents as well (at 100% voting power that is – which they will tend to be for now, since those three are only making around 10 posts a day total).

Tabulate

My “Wallet” shows returns from MinnowBooster, so let’s tabulate it all and come up with what we should expect, moving forward.

The first four payouts were around 7 SBD each; then it dipped when MinnowBooster got a large investment, to 1.7, 2.7, 4.7, then 5.5. Then it stayed between 4 and 5 for 6 days, jumping up to 6.4 the following. Then came down again, 5.4, 4.9, 2.8; then rose, 3.9, 4.4, 4.7, 5.5, 6.1, 6.5, then 6.8; and the last few days were between 5 and 7. These total 156.796 SBD, and that’s for 30 days worth of returns with 10k SP delegated.

So with those raw numbers, let’s extrapolate out to a year: 156.796 * 12 = 1,881.552 SBD. Now, we can’t exactly compare SP and SBD; when I made the 10k SP investment, 1 SP cost $1.14 (it’s $1.08 right now), so those 10k SP were worth $11,400, or about 11,400 SBD since they try to keep the price of SBD in parity with one dollar.

That previous post showed a 22% annual (non-compounded) return, but that was only after the first four days which were the best returns out of that 30-day period. So, doing the math on this additional data shows that it’s around a 16.5% return. Although that’s “only” 2/3 the return it had been showing previously, it’s still an excellent return on one’s investment compared to most other vehicles.

Now, let’s check the single data point I have from the increase to 30k SP delegated, from last night, which was 19.094 SBD. Extrapolate that to a year and it’d be 6,969.31 SBD, and use the same SP price for the comparison of $1.14, so those 30k SP would be worth $34,200 (or 34,200 SBD). This then would be a 20.4% annual return. But, that’s only from a single data point, and it might be that this data point is on the high side like the first four were.

I think the 16.5% annual return figure is probably closer to reality. Which is still really, really good!

BitConnect: Don't Do It!

My investment in BitConnect has one more month before I can withdraw the principal. It has already returned “more than” the amount invested – but that’s in dollars, it’s still less than the BTC that I had put in because of the way they run it. Not certain it’s a scam but I won’t put any more into it and I’d encourage others to read my analysis of their setup before investing your own money.

Poloniex Has Bad Customer Service

Another investment that I had, which I’m no longer doing because of their customer service (never addressed my ticket), is Poloniex lending. There’s an open-source bot written in Python, the “Poloniex Lending Bot”, which you can configure for your account. While I was doing this, up to a few months ago, it was returning around 50% annually when I first set it up around the beginning of June. By the end of June that was around 35%. Mid-July, it was down again, to 18%. Then a few days later with the BTC/BCH fork happening, people wanted to keep their BTC so they could get the split coins, and the lending rate went through the roof because the supply dried up – but, that was a temporary matter, sending the rate up to 202% briefly! But then, after the split, it came crashing back down.

Poloniex made a few stupid moves then as well, like saying “we’re going to keep everyone’s BCH” and then backed away from that plan. Also the site was down for a few days, which was just after BTC-e went down, and gave me a funny feeling -- just as did their ignoring my tickets for weeks (tickets were never answered, not even a "we're busy, will get to you soon"). So, I pulled the plug on that investment, which was around two months ago.

How Do They Compare?

So: the MinnowBooster delegation investment appears to have a return similar to the Poloniex Lending Bot. And, it has far less risk: I can choose to un-delegate at any time, and it’ll only take a week for the funds to return to my Wallet. Whereas at Poloniex, you set the maximum duration for a loan, but then the other party decides how long to keep it (within that limit). Just before the BTC/BCH fork, I had it configured for two-day loans normally, or 60-day (the max) if it was above 0.3% daily, which I wasn’t really expecting.

Then, the fork caused people to hoard their BTC so they could have the split coins, which caused the rate to go well above the 0.3% daily, meaning I then had to wait almost two months before the last of my coins were returned to me, which has just been completed last week.

It doesn’t really even compare at all to BitConnect, because I can’t recommend them. Their “trading bot” is so opaque it might as well be that old “then a miracle occurs” on the chalkboard:

It is not as easy to compare MinnowBooster to curation rewards, since those tend to be random based on whoever else is upvoting, and by how much. However, the past week I’ve made 17.5 SP curating, and 21.3 SP + 1 SBD authoring. Also note that those were using around 20k SP (since I had had the 10k SP already delegated). And although I’ve been mostly absent since the DDoS started, that was less than a week ago and there’s a 7-day delay on rewards, so it’s still returning based on days I was active (if that makes sense).

The numbers for that are much less impressive; even including the authoring rewards, it’s 2,017.6 SP returned from a 20k SP investment, or about 10% annual return. And leaving the authoring rewards to the side, to just compare curating, it’s under 5%.

I am always open to new investing ideas! This one seems like a home run. Please share any that you’ve found that seem to be working, and thanks! :)




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I don't have enough SP to delegate anything, so I use minnowbooster to help get that much needed SBD/STEEM. Thanks for sharing as it confirms it is a good bot booster.

nice post @libertyteeth, thanks for sharing your experiences regarding investments, well i don't have any experience yet regarding investment because my pocket is not so deep yet, wish you a best of luck my friend, Stay happy and awesome.

hey @libertyteeth,
your MinnowBooster post is great and loving your blog.
thanks for sharing.

it is turning out to be a great investment :)

Minnowbooster's return will either increase significantly or decrease rapidly depending upon the price of steem.

Sounds like a good deal for you. :-)

Minnowbooster is a great way to passively earn rewards. I often lease from it myself and make sure I at least get back what I pay (but most make a loss on it). Delegating like you are doing is a lot easier and usually more profitable.

Cool. Thanks for your detailed analysis on Minnowbooster, Bitconnect and Poloniex. I guess through trial and error you have arrived at the best solution for now. Let us know if you receive your initial investment back from Bitconnect. If you do, then you really dodged a bullet there.

Interessing post . Thank you for sharing!

I think I delegated 10 to them, but I don't think I get any return. I get an upvote worth something less than 0.01 on some of my posts, that is all I can see. Is there some minimum amount before you get a return?

Not sure about a minimum, but -- if my 10k SP returns around 7 SBD daily, then that'd mean your delegation of 10 SP is 1/1000 of my metric; meaning you would get 0.0007 SBD daily. I am pretty sure there are only three significant digits; in other words, 0.001 SBD would be the minimum payout.

Have you done this for more than a few days? And you're not seeing anything from MinnowBooster in your "Wallet" page? (Just checked, I don't see anything from them.)

Based on the above math, perhaps if you delegate 20 SP you should see 0.001 SBD arriving in your wallet each evening?

I just bought in some more (another almost 10k) and am upvoting everyone 100% and will then hand it over to MinnowBooster. I think that's a good use of it -- benefit my friends/followers, and then let the bot make use of it. I don't think I'm reducing the bot either; it's my voting percentage, and once I've delegated it'll go back down to 7 cents per 100% upvote so it won't really matter.

I don't know if I'm doing this right, but I try! :)

OK, that makes sense. I was not too worried about it, I did it to support their efforts. But then your post got me curious. Do I need to do ten more, or does it need to be twenty in one delegation? (And I may be back looking for directions on delegating, I THINK I remember how... lol!)

Yes, I just delegated the new 10k I bought (didn't do the math right, and now I have no upvote slider LOL; need to buy another 200 SP or so, and I can do so with what's currently in my SBD -- but we're heading out shortly so I'll do that later).

When you again delegate at http://minnowbooster.net, you're adding to what you've delegated. Initially I tried to set it to the total amount I wanted, but it said there wasn't enough. So, then I set it to the extra amount, and that worked. Hope this helps! :)

Haha! Way to slip that link in - thanks! I managed to take it from there! Have a great evening!

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