An open musing about Ken O´Keefe, Max Igan, Richie Allen and David Icke

in #life8 years ago

Hey Everyone!
I just listened to Ken O´Keefes "interview" by Richie Allen.
Richie is the sort of guy who is so popular he has about 20 sock puppet accounts and he goes home every night and congratulates himself on his own work, drops hints about how good "Richie Allen" is on other peoples accounts all from the false identities he has made up to help "Richie Allen" look great.

I worked with him for six months at The Peoples Voice in the UK in 2013. It was supposed to be the first uncensored internet radio and tv channel originated by David Icke.
TPV gave me my own show when I told them I flew halfway around the world to volunteer and I would work for free as long as my money lasted. They liked my idea for Wakey Wakey, it became one of the most popular shows at the network, (just not with management ; ) for weeks.

Within 5 weeks, however, my show was cancelled from going "live" because they "couldnt trust me not to speak" (the truth) on air (that the station was a big money syphoning ruse and I might have ruined their game).

I warned David when it was happening and he refused to talk with me about it, and avoided me for ever after in person. I was promptly "released" when my VISA was up. He never once thanked me, in fact he turned on me like a viper and wrote an email which said hiring me was his biggest regret.
Come off it prophet.
Or is it profit.

David Icke was then supposedly "kicked off" his own channel by his own "manager"/(handler) who ran it into the ground and sucked up all the remaining donations!
David did fuck all but watch.

Why cant David do something about it?
They used him for it. They used him to do it.
Hes lucky no one bothers to call him out
Dodgy Dave.
I used to enjoy his geopolitical stuff.
Somewhere between1 + 2 million pounds were raised in under a year in donations from mugs like me, all over the world. Within that year, the station was rapidly legally taken over by Ickes manager, Sean Adl-Tabatabai, liquified, and drained financially and spiritually.
All equipment was sold off and the little money grabber never even got challenged!

Who the fuck made the lightweight Richie arbiter of goodness and truth? uggh
I regard him as equally guilty , impotent and complicit as Icke and his "manager"in the loss of the TPV money, as he never did anything at the time, except a lot of sock puppet work. To this day the worst Richie can boast is a week long facebook ban from Sean for feckin´further PUBLICISING Seans Click Bait Crap troll web Site.

Ken O´Keefe, a great hero to some, is falling, or being struck down
Ken is someone I admired and endorsed.
It all just seems too disingenuous.
Richie, sniggering with glee in this interview with Ken as he pushes, goads, nudges Kens flaming misery into a pathetic overacted monologue.
Ken, hopelessly out of control like a busted boyfriend trying to call you untrustworthy for asking if he is seeing someone, when he hasnt washed her lipstick off his kok.

After a few listens its starting to appear like a loosely scripted, manufactured and sponsored fight.
Has Ken been a willing or unwitting agent for the state for years? Has Max? Has Richie? Has David?
Has Zen ; )

Do they start out just passionate freaks for change who then get co-opted, steered, knowingly or unknowingly?
Do they get to a point of popularity where they are given an offer to shut up or if they keep going, to only speak within given parameters. G a t e k e e p e r s, pulling in all the others and keeping guard.

Bullying information "bouncers".
Corralling all the similar energies and gaslighting other potential leaders who are not yet controlled.

Are they controlled by threats, or money, if they are controlled?
Threats to themselves, or to others?
How much money?

I wish there was no need to comprehend how our world is so simply, completely corrupted
Are some of them set up from the beginning with help?
Some of these so called big brave men have actually lived for years off donations from a trusty public.
They must be well loved.
A donation button is also very convenient way for the state black budget to "anonymously" pay their agents their kickback "salary" I would assume.
We know they control both sides so they need to "own" some of us screaming insults at the machine, so as to steer all of us.

Perhaps some get their basic income guaranteed and whatever donations on top as tips. so Im surprised that Max says he can pay his rent, fuel and 4 meals a week.
Even conservative estimates suggest thats $20,000 a year in donations. I know Max and Ken and Richie and Dave and Zen have kept banging away at it week in week out, (much more professional formatting) for all these years- but a few hours chit chat a week, thats probably not such a chore if your basic needs are guaranteed, met.

Is it possible Ken has been allowed to be an agitator/gatekeeper?
... he gets away with, and gets promoted on teevee (BBC, Press TV, RT) saying things about Israel others are jailed for. So does Max, so does David. I suppose I do too but I dont have their audience.
Nor do I have videos/books for sale, merchandising or donations schemes for dank ideals.
Any day now
These men are all literally marketed with logos and swishish brandings.
Good job fellas, you´re about as effective as a bunch of drunk uncles at a bbq.

One of the major parties involved here in the "logistics" was Deanna Amato. (Bona Dea on FB).
She has been involved in two failed David Icke projects. I warned Ken about her and sent him a link to my outlining the reasons why I didnt want him to trust her solely with the keys to the money tin.

http://elissahawke.blogspot.mx/2014/09/the-peoples-voice-in-toilet.html

Ken strangely didnt seem too interested and told me he had it under control.
Ken keeps saying "I havent paid myself a penny"
KEN YOU HAVE A HUNDRED GRAND IN YOUR ACCOUNT and you seem like you are about to scamm everyone on what you said you would use it for.
Big deal right. if you steal a large amount people might come after you but you think if its just $20 or $50 here and there from people thats not enough to make anyone a threat to you.
You better not drop out or you will be the greatest threat to you, most unhappy with yourself.

I suppose Max might be complicit in knowing he works for outside interests. His responses to things have become robotic, impersonal and seemingly tightly controlled, scripted. Or should I say, more scripted, as all his programs have mostly been him reading script, off camera.
Or is he just sharing his thoughts?
Max keeps repeating the controllers aims, or is he noticing us "this spells the end of the truth movement."
ahhhh we need "unity" he says over and over.

Fucken UNIDY ORRIGHT???
Thats what gatekeepers always call for from groups of individuals because it will never be achieved nor should it. Unity is antonyms with diversity. So fuck off with your unity. Personal division and unique expression is just a part of unity.
Unity need not be a call for consensus of thought among 7 billion.

We never get anywhere if we cant discuss opposing ideas without being disingenuously accused of causing "division" or a "rift" in "the movement".
Maxs acting is unconvincing. Lucky it wasnt video as I think we might have had some Sandy Hook dry tears to analyse.

The levels of anger are year ten drama. Slightly realer than a five year old faking a cold to get out of school. Has he been told by someone to whoop it up? To make a dividing line. To pull fans. Hes trying to pull pity roots.
So these two cockblocking grandads are the zenith of our "civilisations" "leadership" are they?

No, Max, its not the end of the "truth movement" because truth never changes.
We just have to each, individually, align ourselves with it more and more as we are able to get over the obfuscation of it and the misdirection from it by all these pesky agents of social steering ; )

Of course its not the end of fundraisers, not even in our little international community because many of us have grown to know and love each other more during this process and people will always help each other, we will continue to put our faith and trust in people no matter how many times we are burned, because we hope someone gives us the same chances and unconditional love.
Its just an end of false idol worship. Of throwing bucks at a problem we need to put our heart and souls and minds into, together and mostly alone.

I feel for any team members who are unwitting or innocent. I include Max and Ken in that as time will sort us all out. If you are innocent stick to your word and we will all know soon enough
I recall how difficult it was to speak up within the folds of TPV. I was honestly pretty scared of what they might do to me if they were guilty of what they knew I suspected them of - what I clearly see in hindsight was a heist.

I learnt from that experience and this time Im able to speak out about my doubt in real time and hopefully stop it being derailed rather than enable it with my inaction and fear. I wish I had the guts to call out David Icke and his manager publicly in January 2014 but it took me six months of reflection and grieving and getting past my own cognitive dissonance and fear, conquering my initial inability to conceive that this many people could be willingly so ruthless and two-faced, just to "get ahead" in the world we were all supposed to be working to dismantle.
To believe that David Icke was either so so dumb that he was incapable of noticing what was happening around him, or that he could pretend not to notice that all the money got "spent", all the equipment hocked and it was all in his name and he never received a penny. Oh really.

Very strange, but its exactly whats happened here. AGAIN.
The rest of the team could be unwitting dupes, but some, like Sascha "economy-size" Brand Stone, are definitely uncharismatic and full enough of themselves to make me suspect theres no way they would have that swagger without some black budget dosh and a fair amount of manufactured support. Surely no mere sea cucumber could make a man so vapid.

Max or Ken, or Richie never publicly questioned David about the downfall of TPV. I wont be invited into these boysclub powwows again because I have a knack for seeing the emporers knackers. They know I am suss on most of them, and they prefer to avoid the unflailing eye.
I feel altogether they dont have the strength I have alone.
I call bullshit at twenty paces if I feel uneasy, and I feel uneasy

The reason I was asked to endorse this project is not because I am "known" at all for my comedy, or music, or talkshows, but because I am known as a living anarchist, walking the talk wherever possible and non life threatening.(I have completed an anger management course ; ).
I dont vote or comply with my governments taxation or financial demands. I have stopped contributing to war and it feels good.
Agents hate it when you tell them that. From deep down somewhere in their sour state teat sucking souls. A corrupted "alt media journalist" from NZ, Vinny Eastwood blocked me on facebook because he said there was no person challenging the system who hadnt had their life ruined, wasnt dead or in jail. I was promoting the advantages of life since I stepped out and he just barred me! Tiny little turd. No encouragement, no questions, no interest, no tallywhacker.

Rarely have any of these colleagues assisted or empowered me, promoted my work or helped me .
No one ever mentioned Dominica, or Bali, or Acapulco meetings to me. Seems my endorsement is welcome but not my actual presence, ideas, experience, wisdom, integrity, grit or fearlessness.
Yes
I see
First you trip over a crack in the concrete.
Then you walk into a wall

Was Ken was being "sort of " looked after as an agent, being their rabble rouser and being allowed to speak his truth, (cause he was never faking those good speeches, many of those are genuinely from his heart). He serves the purpose of gathering all the opposition around his strength and masculine bravado.
Srangely, he has lost that for now.
I dont know if its just being away from the family stability of a hearty three meals a day, or if his body reflects his wilting soul, like all bodies will.
He looks and talks like a shadow of the man I knew in London two years ago. I cant imagine what he has been through. He looks and sounds drugged, agitated, pent up, scared, and arrogant and it could just as easily be a man having a very public mid-life crisis as much as it could be some kind of military mind control. His behaviour is so base it seems it could be coming from some fairly rudimentary tweaking.
Ken has possibly been in their hands as a tool for a long time, so who knows why this is really happening to him, or how.
Or if even he knows.
Ive seen a lot of people act that dumb without military intervention
Ken was our hero precisely for somehow getting away with saying the things we are not allowed, we will not be promoted if we say, we might be jailed, or disappeared if we say. This makes him seem like controlled opposition to some.
They all just swap roles calling each other out. Remember when Max softball questioned Charlie Veich on his 9/11 flipflop but neglected to mention Charlies part he played as a false police witness in the police killing of Ian Tomlinson during the 2009 G20 protests?

Yeah.
I have had no life for a long time.
Social steering engineering.

Kens last few public appearances he has seemed like an imposter of his former self, going through the motions, false anger, false bravado, empty sloganistic rhetoric, fake set up fights with other fake agitators, its been like watching a bad play.
Ken seems now like just a shithouse actor.

Not so long ago, was I so easily fooled?

Perhaps his masters have let him down once too many times. The thing about the secret services is, everyone ends up under the bus. He ready to retire and thats why he desperately is trying to set himself up a base somewhere. If this is the case and Ken was a rogue agent I wish he would tell the truth. We all need to learn how these things work. It would help free everyone else. If he really fears for his life it is time for all these secrets, the safest way is expose it all.
Lets have an agent amnesty!

He is acting like a 12 year old. people challenge him for some information or confirmation and he links to his girlfriends latest album? Base
Why didnt Ken respond on his own time in his own peaceful way to camera? You can express anger wihout yelling. Ninety minutes is just overkill. Base
Was it easier for Ken to hide behind Richie pretending he was being picked on?
Was Richie, acting like his "attacker" really acting as his protector by never asking any hard questions?

Richies idea of not having a dog in the fight (he has both dogs in the fight) is such obvious drivel when he is saying "impartial" things to Ken like "Ken, I think youre finished"... what else is there for Ken to do but put up or disappear forever to the land of crisis actors waiting for face transplants?
I know which one seems like the easier option.
Ken can still make a calm five min vid showing he has merely good intentions and everyone would jump back on that bandwagon. Instead he is punishing us with crickets. Silence

Richie Allen self righteously accused Ken -
"Ken you took $115,000 dollars they have a right to know its being spent properly"

Fuck Up RICHIE STOP ACTING LIKE A HUNDRED GRAND IS A PROBLEM MATE, YOU COVERED WHILE YOUR MATE DAVID ICKE AND HIS MATES RIPPED MILLIONS Of POUNDS! Richie never asked a hard question!
Ken NEVER ASKED HIM ONE BACK!!
He never asked Sean Adl-Tabatabai (BBC/Disney/Big Brother/MTV) to explain himself.
In fact Richie is infamous for saying something like "to suggest that anyone from the BBC would be involved with any impropriety, is ludicrous" just as anotherJimmy Saville scandal broke.
Another one not too quick off the mark being used as a social engineer for those not able to see through his facade.

Why would Ken rant like a spoiled kid who didnt get his lollies?
Those of us who have studied psychology at a high school level recognise that anger is a tool used to emotionally manipulate others. Ninety minutes of anger, no explanations besides the "pure gold" legal recognition that, yes, at times, people have declared their unwillingness to participate with their system and they have successfully suceeded. I coulda toldya that

I didnt believe Maxs drama rant at all either. This sent up the first red flags for me. Hes had months to get used to the idea Ken is stiffing everyone (since Feb at least) and he´s crying on a radio show?
Filler.
Im a girl and I wouldnt cry or yell at my friend on a radio show if they were acting like Ken been for 6 months.
I would calmly explain that we need to see the evidence the money is being used for the intended purpose, or we are pulling out and request the funds immediately returned to those who request them. Those that want to donate to the next project are welcome.

Are they all throwing Ken under the bus, or are they pretending to throw Ken under the bus?
Or is Ken diving under the bus?

Your guess is as good as mine.
Otherwise, Ken can just take all the money, like David Ickes manager "took all the money" at The Peoples Voice and it all went poof- and tens of thousands of world changers were left dejected and despondent. I was exhausted, depleted and confused.

This is the whole point .
Sad but true, it is a technique our masters use their minions to fight us with, and we are unaware so we fall for it.
Every time.

Max leaves me deeply wondering after being beaten up for supporting Palestine.
Can someone produce a recording of his gig at the Freedom Summit in Byron where he describes a woman heckling during his talk. He said she didnt pay to enter the conference, just "hugged someone at the door" (someone must know /have invited her).
There is something about that bashing and some speculate he invented it to gain sympathy, or that it really happened but he is blaming it on a political group when he says himself he didnt see the offender, and the threats were non-specific...

You know the way the zionists make a hero? They bash and bloody them up, then show their wounds like medals. George Galloway had his turn too.

Is Max being set up as the new social engineerin´ steerin´ Cap´n of this shitship??

Max couldnt steer himself out of a garage with no hot water.

None of these "leaders" have much to say about the current international general reappraisal of $cience. Kens too busy kissing and Max has looked no further than "two surveyors", Icke + Richie I have no idea what they are up to, it is just becoming obvious the way they pay it absolutely no mind, ridicule without investigationand in Maxs case openly discourage the discussion in the hope of dragging everyone back into their vicious circles
Its the same tactic. Give it no oxygen

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. (Mahatma Gandhi)

In fact I´d say its a big red light. Even if all it is, is Max not risking losing his audience for sounding "crazy". He has lost his humility and the truth seeking vibe he started out with.
He really sounds owned lately or was he always someones asset?
Or is he just a sole operator, worn down from all these years doing what he can?
Sometimes the spiritual tests come and if we are at peace in ourselves we will weather the storms
He has recently demonstrated he may not be a wise man nor even a very smart one.
Max has done some great work. he repackaged Ickes stuff well for his first few movies, very professional and many many hours of interviews and radio shows later he has truly blessed us with a whole lot of heart
A real radical?
Or maybe, he is there as the end-point, knot on the string...to stop us just before we choose freedom by telling us its not really possible.

There is no ethical "group", no man to stand behind, no legal experts opinion- lordy they are the worst people to ask!
Each of us must do a bit of mental rooting around until we lift ourselves to equal status of any illusory authoritay!!!!

In a true anarchist community of willful conscious individuals, one is rewarded and appreciated for qualities like integrity, and honesty, not shunned or punished.
People watching on would stand up for truth, but they dont want to lose their "privileges" of being in the special sauce circles.
This is how it works.
Yawn

You observe most people have fuck all ability to discriminate and glitz always beats guts.
Thats how we´ve been conditioned by our masters so they can stay in control.
Everyone feels so small, they need to step on anyone they can to keep themselves afloat.
Thanks Darwin
Everyone loves someone who´ll piss in their pocket.

I love people who challenge me, because I want to grow.

The world works in wonderful and mysterious ways, always spiritually for the best, even if it doesnt seem like it on the physical plane

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Just reading the title of your article made me smile, I knew it was going to be good. You knocked it out of the park, I really enjoy your writing style! I have another name to add: Michael Tellinger. He was exposed by Ubuntu Canada once the members realized his game. I find it's still pretty unknown that he is a shill.

If you're interested: Full Disclosure Document for Ubuntu Party Canada
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzqUgpEv4QH4NHJqY1RYdVA2eDQ/view

Did you see this? It was the "the high nett-worth individuals " bit that got me. http://www.ubuntuparty.org.za/2016/09/exclusive-fund-raising-dinner-with.html

it seems when the shit hits the fan they move elsewhere and charge more, refine the game the better they get, I personally have no prob with Tellinger, I like what Ive seen but I can dig that hes either been set up to steer or gather, "beautiful individuals". Get faarked

Wow that Ubuntu doc was terrifying. Whatever Tellinger started it sounded like it ended up being run by the worst local city council type authoritarian rule licking state loving and subordinate bunch of fuckwits EVERRRRR. I have heard about UBUNTU for years, watched a few vids but I dont like joining things... i believe creating promissory notes is possible and probably works in the private realm for those with the standing, connections, gumption, learnings and patience, but when you try and sit and make a youtube about it and get everyone en mass doing it, it just degrades the necessary foundations of required info and makes it look stupid. I studied with a group of old blokes and created a few myself in 2009 to pay off credit cards. I was officially told it didnt work but I keep being offered more credit. I dont want to deal with banks again but I would try it again if I had any bills or when i am next living in australia.
What else is the CHEQUE for at the base of every "bill"

The thing is, is that he's collected even more than O'Keefe from the people. Hundreds of thousands of dollars so far. Some of which was supposed to fund "free energy" which never happened. And the ubuntu village in S.A. is falling to pieces. It was supposed to be the first ubuntu community, but Tellinger charges people money to sit at a table there? We all know this game by now. He's got the merch. The books. The public speaking. And all those donations...with no transparency on where they go. Hundreds of thousands of dollars that people think are going to the creation of a better world...just lining pockets instead.

yes, this really pisses me off to hear. I dont envy any of these people putting themselves in leadership roles, I would turn into Tilda Swinton from The Beach if I ran my own community project, there wouldnt just be money missing, there´d be people

Fabulous article Elissa, this is exactly where I am at with their BS, I have close friends who knew others very well in the alternative celebrity arena who are 100 percent agents. I don't understand how people don't question where these folks get their funding from. Look at me scraping by barely staying off the streets and I don't have a penny. We are going to be doing some podcasts on this if you are interested I will put you in touch with my contacts to have a possible aired panel discussion on these imposters. PM me lastvoicesofgaiaat gmail dot com. Hugs xxx

Really? I am surprised at the support for my musings, I dont feel i am just being paranoid as the people I doubt have all given me genuine reason to doubt their intrapersonal skillz, but I must keep it in mind, thanks for the invite Id definitely like to listen and maybe contribute later if i have anything

You've nearly nailed it, Elissa, in your analysis of these men and others beside. But you have missed the salient point. All men have a potentially fatal flaw that few men and increasing numbers of women can resist. If they have the personality to do what these men have done, then they almost certainly have that flaw in abundance. Ego. Ego and the need to be right and big and strong and better and loved by all, makes them pathetically vulnerable.

Almost all women know and exploit this weakness in men, to their own ends, so all women reading this will know exactly what I am talking about. If women can exploit it, so can anyone - or anything else - that chooses.

You make the mistake of presuming that these men have knowingly sold out. They have not. They are absolutely innocent. One of three things has happened to them. The first and most obvious is that they are being played and controlled by a "honey pot". This happens to a disturbing number of would-be leaders and may have happened to at least one of the men you have named. The second is that they have been taken over by a reptilian symbiote and are now unwittingly being managed by that symbiote. I have seen that a few times, but I won't name names. They are not on this list. The third is that they have resisted the other two but have come to grips with the enormity of the problem we are facing and have realised they have no bloody idea how to confront it. The honey pot and the symbiote artificially inflate a man. The realisation of impotence deflates a man. In all three cases they lose their "spark".

Being men, they only know one way to battle the foe, but this foe cannot be battled. This foe is bigger, stronger, and nastier than we can ever imagine. We cannot battle it using masculine strategies. Humans, if we irritate them too much, can be swatted like a fly. Once we realise how seriously outmatched we are we have to work on finding another way.

Has anyone else noticed that every disagreement these days turns into a vicious fight? Trivia is blown out of proportion, words are misrepresented, confusion and fear reign, egos are explosive. We have degenerated rapidly in recent times. We are thrashing around like a bug in a bottle, because that is what we are. They have put the lid on and we cannot escape any more. The pressure is becoming unbearable.

Our only way to defeat this monster that is consuming us, is to rediscover our trust in one another. We have to back away from ego, get back into community with like minds, share our knowings, and refuse point blank to dismiss the other person's knowing. We have to open our hearts to one another again, because it is human emotion and only human emotion that we have over this enemy. It is our strength and we must learn to trust it again and to use it when we need it. It can be our best friend or our worst enemy. At the moment we have lost control of it and it is destroying us. We have to regain control of the human emotional energy, not to repress it but to use its magic to free us from this enemy. Emotion is the "mercury" in the alchemical equation; very dangerous when mishandled, but with enormous potency when used correctly.

I am not talking new age love and light here. They deny the existence of this being and bask in the half light of their own shallow goodness. They are so anthropocentric that they foolishly believe we have created all negativity and we can destroy it. No, there is a negative life form that is invisible to us that we did not create and cannot destroy. It can and does influence us and play us like puppets. Our task is to resist that influence. Step 1, admit the truth, Step 2, tell the truth, Step 3, treat everyone with respect and refuse to be nasty to another living soul. That's a start.

And let us not take away from these men what they have achieved. It is no shame to face a much more powerful enemy and lose. We need to help them find their way back.

thanks @margaretsta that was an interesting comment. You make me feel like a rookie. I believe when I have watched a few friends of mine go into psychosis in the past, there was an element of possession, temporary or decades long... no one comes into the world wanting to fail, make mistakes, make bad choices, but we all do

I lean more towards your view Elissa. However that only makes up half of what I am experiencing and that is the multidimensional entities that control them and everyone else, including us. This is for me why mindfulness and drawing oneself back to the heart in such times is so important. Also we as women have a responsibility of not continuously going with the Father, Shaman, Teacher, Hero figures because in truth, and I am not a raging feminisit here, we need to help ourselves and others step out of these ancient archetypal programmings where only the Shaman rather than Sheman can be the word of truth. We know the truth, you are a walking example of it and see so clearly, and you are strong enough to not doubt what you see. Your article has come at a time that is synchronistic to my reuniting with a friend who I met here in Ecuador some years ago that has had very similiar experiences and deep insights behind that Wizard of Oz curtain, where one of these Gatekeepers are.

All this to me and with my own views just makes me smile as it reinforces the only truth, its an inside job, and when is everyone going to stop repeating the same fucking mistake. Sheeple in the alternative media wake the fuck up, its an inside job, no one else has the solution, each of us however can contribute to creating the solution when we each take responsibility of ourselves, then we can be stronger as a community but if we are constanly following the stars, the celestial celebrities casting their spells, we are still mirroring what happens in the mainstream. This is why I am so glad I know people like you and Christine as I know that I am not loosing the plot! Hugs and love Cx

hallellujah @carlitashaw you just gave me goosebumps. That was great to hear and yes I have just been having this realisation over the past 12 months. I am so sick of working "under" people who have less truth, ability, integrity than I, I am sick of subordinating myself to others ideas and inferior fears and I must now step into my true knowing selfs power. I have been allowing my personal sovereignty to settle as I educate myself and I am realising that what I have learnt I must soon attempt to teach as it is too frustrating watching many good hearted people beeing steered into cul-de-sacs

I remember David Icke when he was a sports reporter!
On the one hand he’s enabled/promoted discussion of subjects avoided by MSM to a very wide audience.
On the other he’s tarnished those discussions by their association with his shapeshifting reptile material.
Could he have been so dumb that he was incapable of noticing what was happening around him?
Where he’s concerned I can believe almost anything. Except what actually comes out of his mouth.

@lensessions wow you have seen him all along the way, i really loved him when i went there. Yes I feel that even that aspect of his work I am grateful for as it gave me a chance to try an idea which never really took root. I believe entities can "possess" bodies, possibly, at times, it seems like it but Ive never seen anyone shapeshift. I dont evn believe in dinosaurs too good any more. My shaman mate was pretty convinced the best shamans of old could actually shape shift into kangas and stuff when hunting but their whole lives would have been one wild trip so maybe they just believed their costumes a bit too much like cops of today ; )

There’s been a lot of theories about his shapeshifting reptile material.
”He means Jews.”
”He’s talking about the reptilian hindbrain.”
”It’s Swiftian satire.”
Nope. He means shapeshifting reptiles.
Even if he’s right, it’s not the kind of thing you lead with.

HA!
Sometimes I feel I owe so much for all I have awoken to, sometimes i feel like social spam

Some think he might have been mind controlled by the CIA when he travelled to USA, he didnt talk about shape shifting lizards until he returned. Ive seen a ghost once so I know there is more to life than this. I watched an interview were he was asked if he has seen someone shapeshift, he said no, but he knows someone who has seen someone get angry and their eyes switched to lizard eyes. That night I got home and watched V and saw someone get angry and their eyes shifted. Its either the writers are 'in the know' or hes watched V.

What are your thoughts on David Icke being a FreeMason? Where does he get his information from, why do people like Bill Cooper get taken out yet David flies all over the world with very little hinderence.

I too remember Icke on wogan, and he was the first person I followed as a truther, the more I learnt the less credible David Icke became, it's not what he says, it's what he doesn't say, the elite control all mainstream media so it's not surprising that they'll have their greasy paws into all the truth movement, the elite will bribe or threaten anyone with any influence, i saw it with my own eyes during the fuel protests of 2000. The shills spread doubt and controlled mixed truths to create confusion and ultimatly lethargy amongst truthers, assange , snowdon , manning do a good job on the sheeple and the likes of max and Ken are the sheepdogs for the rest of us .

insightful comment thanks @kingeri. yes, refinement does seem to be happening as we all muddle along

Thank you for taking the time to lay all this out for us Elissa. I watched both interviews and have been following all these actors for so long. Ken actually gave me hope because he was one that walked the talk. So it was a huge blow when I read Max's posts and then started watching the unraveling happening at double speed. I appreciate all the time you have put into this article. Now where do we go from here? I think it's up to us ladies. There's no dam honey pot that will sway me. How do you feel about James Corbett, Abby Martin, Sibel Edmonds?

Thanks for a great comment @ajavajive. Its wonderful to be listened to! My friend asked me if I actually think theyre "actors". No, I think they´re people who honestly believe/d in what they do and either dont think about or dont ask deep questions of those who may "assist"/direct them, or maybe they are fully conscious that they have an outline to promote an agenda. That is the bit I am muddled on, some of them know, some of them dont know, and some of them pretend not to know. I love working with women because I think they are better martyrs, maybe because theres no sexual energy its easier for everyone to get things done... i have often wondered if thats why the boys all clump together too. I dont feel we need to work together towards anything, except to help each other along with our comprehension of legalese and how to avoid the courts. And support each other whenever one of us has to go to court. Its a private matter we each need to declare our sovereignty individually, that is the only way we can keep doing what we´re doing. I like a lot of James´work, but he really upset me supporting the pedophile groups shutting down interest in his followers in the Hampstead and Holly Greig cases. These cases need A LOT MORE SCRUTINY precisely from people at his level in alt media, and I suspect he is now controlled dont want to work with him any more, Abby Martin is grotesque and shills that Sandy Hook was real????, and her directors make her and all women look like idiots the way she has to crawl around the set in hotpants, Sibel, I know very little about but what I have seen looks good... dont worry about me I´m in the "people who hate people camp" I am suspicious of everyone and thats the best way to be, I really love everyone, but dont put my trust in others unless I feel sure theyre independent

I like orange drink - this bitch is off the artistic roll call

I like orange drink - this bitch is off the artistic rollcall

lol...trust no one. I know what you mean :)

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